The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby Gopher of Pern » Thu Apr 06, 2017 3:14 pm UTC

No worries jimbob. Due to the nature of the game, it's best if you can be quite active for the week.

I've put it into signups. Minimum players is 5, max is 10.

To run it, I will basically make the cards myself and 'deal' them to players. I will write down the initial card everyone got, then pass the cards to the left, and again write down what everyone has. Then I'll shuffle the appropriate cards and hand out your final roles. So in your role pm you will get:

1) Your initial card.
2) The card passed to you from the player before you on the player list (or from the last player if you are first.)
3) Your final role card, with your win condition.

I will also make it clear in thread who's cards were shuffled and redealt after the passing phase (number 2 in the above.)

If this doesn't make sense, I will make it clear in the game thread how the roles are dealt out, or you can read the rules here.
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby bessie » Sat Apr 08, 2017 3:13 am UTC

Gopher of Pern wrote: Due to the nature of the game, it's best if you can be quite active for the week.


How active is quite active? I'm really busy until Wednesday and could only do a couple of brief check-ins. But if you need another player to make 5 sign me up and I'll do my best.

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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby Gopher of Pern » Sat Apr 08, 2017 7:58 am UTC

Well, at least once a day preferably. I think the first post will be a sort of 'claim' of what role you are, as explicit claims are part of the game. Beyond that, I'm not sure, as it is a new game.
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby Gopher of Pern » Sun Apr 09, 2017 9:43 am UTC

Need at least 3 more players for crossfire.

If people want, I can start the game as late as Tuesday morning (Australian time), which will still give 4 days of play? Or I can extend the deadline over the weekend, but I know many people don't like to post a lot over the weekend. Plus I don't want to run into The Dark Tower.
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby Madge » Sun Apr 09, 2017 10:40 am UTC

I'll play, why not?

EDIT: OK, I've signed myself up now I got a topic reply notification for the other thread.

Caveats:
- I'm busy most evenings next week
- My work will be surprisingly heavy in "amount of time I need to actually be doing something" for the next week or so
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby Gopher of Pern » Mon Apr 10, 2017 6:52 am UTC

Crossfire:
Spoiler:
Well, it's started.

If anyone is following along, What do you think of the forced claim rule? I probably should have gotten everyone to pm me their initial claim, and revealed them all at the same time, to prevent timing shenanigans. But everyone has the option of claiming undeclared, and I think it's likely that people will be using that.

Unless they are a bystander, of course...
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrar » Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:07 am UTC

Crossfire
Spoiler:
If we had 6 players this would be so much easier. I'm Assassin but my passed card was VIP so if the roles would only be randomized once I could immediately narrow down my target to 2 players. Now it's possible that mpolo got VIP in the first round and it was redistributed, still I have a 50% win-chance just by shooting at dimochka and ignoring all conversations.
This is not a situation that would happen too often, still there should be a mechanic in place to prevent this in my opinion.

Edit: re-read rules more carefully. Agents shoot first, so I need to avoid that to have a chance at winning. Makes it more reasonable I guess.

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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby dimochka » Mon Apr 10, 2017 3:10 pm UTC

Crossfire
Spoiler:
Ok so within the set of {me,sabrar,mpolo} the original cards were {assassin,agent,bystander}. I am the Agent. This leaves the following possibilities:
1. if mpolo received his card back, then it is extremely likely that mpolo is the bystander (bystander has no reason to lie about his role), thereby making Sabrar the assassin.
2. If mpolo received a different card back then the assassin is among madge and carlington.

In either case, I need to understand mpolo, and there is almost no scenario in which i'd shoot him.
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby Deva » Mon Apr 10, 2017 3:34 pm UTC

Crossfire
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On forced claim rule: Seems okay. Provides a starting point for conversation. May or may not be enough of one. Beats nothing, though.
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby Gopher of Pern » Mon Apr 10, 2017 10:18 pm UTC

Crossfire:

Spoiler:
So, dimochka is using faulty logic, but coming up with the correct roles. There was no bystander in the set of cards, and dimochka knows that. Maybe they are misunderstanding the rules?

It's going to be hard as the red team. Not only do they have to lie (Which is always harder), but the Agent has seen their card, giving them a good idea of where it could be. The assassin has seen the VIP card, but it's not in the obvious spot.
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby Carlington » Tue Apr 11, 2017 10:53 am UTC

Crossfire
Spoiler:
I'm the Red Decoy.
I'm sitting on a tonne of information, I think, and I'm really struggling to know how much of it to claim. I think I want to keep mostly mum, since the information I have is theoretically enough to figure out all of the roles if combined with another player's information. It might take the proverbial perfect logician to figure it out, but Sabrar is playing and he's the next best thing. (Second only to SDK :P )
I have enough to know which cards are held by myself and one other person and the paths they followed to get there, and to know the path followed by a third, unknown card. In addition, I've narrowed it down to two possibilities for the two remaining cards (although it's not quite a "50-50, these two people have these two cards" type deal because there's a third unknown card.

I think that Sabrar claiming to see one armed role gives me yet more information, although I'm not quite sure what that is. I'm really hoping Sabrar is the Assassin, if so I think I can give him enough to figure it out and win without tipping others off.
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby Carlington » Tue Apr 11, 2017 11:03 am UTC

Crossfire:
Spoiler:
In fact, now that I look at it, Sabrar's claim doesn't give me anything I don't already know. Sabrar, dimochka, and mpolo must be Assassin, Agent, and VIP in some permutation, and I know this.

I feel like I should note at this point - if you want to follow along and try to make deductions, you should probably not read my spoilers bc I'm going to dump everything here.

Until more posts happen and there's more info to logic with, I'm stuck using what little there is to glean from social deductions. I don't want to jump to conclusions, but Sabrar's focus on scenaria in which the Assassin and VIP would claim heavily suggests one of the two, and his own given thoughts on that contradict his being VIP (modulo wine), which leaves me feeling as though he's the Assassin. I'm not going to immediately act on this, I'm going to play it by ear, but if it's the case then I'm going to bubble away feeling quietly confident.
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrar » Tue Apr 11, 2017 11:25 am UTC

Crossfire
Spoiler:
Assuming everyone told the truth so far, Madge must be VIP.
Carlington can't be it because he claims to have received a role he already saw and VIP was passed from mpolo to me.
mpolo claims that his role is different from those which he saw previously.
dimochka can't be VIP if Carlington's info is good as I didn't receive Madge's original card so it must have been him that got it but again that can't be VIP.

Now I just need to come up with a good false-claim and avoid the Agent (who could be anyone).

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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby dimochka » Tue Apr 11, 2017 2:09 pm UTC

Crossfire
Spoiler:
Yeah so apparently I misunderstood how cards are passed. But my gut feeling is that the role distribution is as follows:
Sabrar - assassin
Mpolo - bystander
Madge - vip
Carlington - decoy
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby Carlington » Tue Apr 11, 2017 2:43 pm UTC

Crossfire
Spoiler:
Ah. So mpolo is the assassin, then.

I have played...somewhat suboptimally.
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby Madge » Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:38 am UTC

Crossfire

Spoiler:
So I'm the VIP so I should probably make a good attempt at being an agent. I suspect Sabrar is my agent for no reason in particular (just his VIP claim, which is stupid to base on)

I started with "Agent", which I gave to mpolo. I got the "Red Decoy" from Carlington.

Then Agent was shuffled amongst sabrar/dim/mpolo

Red Decoy was then shuffled amongst me/carlington/mpolo (Agent could be in there). One of Carl/mpolo has to be red decoy.

I got the VIP from either Carlington or Mpolo, one of them knows that the other two in the set have to be VIP.

The Agent could be anywhere.

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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrar » Wed Apr 12, 2017 6:38 am UTC

Crossfire
Spoiler:
dimochka is 100% Agent (was even sure before he confirmed), so I need him to shoot Carlington (who must be Decoy). No idea how to achieve that though...

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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby Madge » Wed Apr 12, 2017 6:40 am UTC

Crossfire

Spoiler:
Lock me in:

1. Sabrar - Assassin
2. Dimochka - Agent
3. Carlington - Red Decoy
4. Madge - VIP
5. mpolo - Bystander

I'm trying to softclaim Agent by "asking dim for help". Hopefully Dim knows to target Sabrar though.
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby Madge » Wed Apr 12, 2017 7:05 am UTC

I want a game to be made based on this youtube video song:

(Language warning!!!!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mO-OpFjHRbE

Lyrics:

Spoiler:
The woodpecker bird likes pecking wood
The bluebird's a bird that sings pretty good
Sparrows are a bird that are pretty cool ay
But the ibis is a bird that drinks bin juice all day

A crow is a bird with a heaps mad squawk
A cockatoo's a bird with a sick mohawk
Chicken is a bird that tastes good and lays eggs
And ibises are bin juice drinking dregs

A goose is a bird that's chilled like a duck
An ibis is a bird that's a picnic wrecking fuck!
Doves are birds that represent purity
Ibises wreck picnics and disrupt the community

Penguins are birds that fall in love and mate for life
But ibises love nothing cause they're dead inside!
Swan is a bird that's graceful and that
And ibises aren't birds they're feathered bin rats

It's the ibis
Bin juice drinking gronks
Yeah the ibis
Their beaks are gross and long
It's the ibis
Picnic wrecking jerks
Yeah the ibis
They're the worst birds

The condor is an awesome bird of prey
A hawk's a bird that's a cool bird ay
The eagle bird soars through the sky as it hunts
But ibises are bin juice drinking cunts

The albatross bird lives to sixty maybe older
A parrot is a bird living on a pirate's shoulder
Parrots say cool shit like "Polly want a cracker?"
But ibises just fucking come up and harrass ya

A lorikeet's a bird with a colourful jacket
Ibises can fuck off back to their home planet
A seagull's a bird that scabs hot chips
And there's only one bird that's scabbier than this

It's the ibis
They're picnic wrecking irrits
It's the ibis
I hope they don't come near us
Yeah the ibis
They're bin juice drinking jerks
It's the ibis
They're the fucken shittest birds

The ibis is a picnic wrecking burden on humanity
It dumps a diving bin chicken disrupting the community
Annoying the general public at every opportunity
Disgrace to feathered creatures bringing shame on the bird family
If there are any ibises watching this, firstly
There's no bin juice here so you can fuck off
Secondly get a job and fucken do something with your life
Sort it out you're on the road to nowhere
Go migrate to that garbage island floating in the middle of the
pacific ocean or some shit I don't know
I'm not your dad I can't tell you how to live your life
Just stop wrecking everyone's picnics fuck

It's the ibis
Bin juice drinking cunt
It's the ibis
That's ruining your lunch
Yeah the ibis
Picnic wrecking jerks
It's the ibis
What a fucking cunt of a bird

If I was an ibis I'd go kill myself


I mean seriously - do the descriptions of the birds not just make you think of mafia roles??? It'd be like that bunny mafia from years ago where you got to know all the role names and information about the actual bunnies so you could speculate on what was scum and what was town and what powers were based on that but it wasn't entirely useful.

If I am alone in this desire then that is fine. If I am not alone then perhaps someone can make it happen (I'll do it but balance is not my strong point so I'd need someone to check that for me)
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrar » Wed Apr 12, 2017 7:15 am UTC

Crossfire
Spoiler:
If dimochka passed Decoy then we're screwed. If he passed Bystander then Madge probably would have revealed that I can't be Decoy so this is unlikely. Not sure what we could have done differently.

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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby Carlington » Wed Apr 12, 2017 7:33 am UTC

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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby Madge » Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:05 am UTC

Um, Carlington, you didn't spoiler that, you quoted it. And I read it.
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrar » Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:17 am UTC

@Carlington: don't worry about it too much, I don't think it had any real effect.

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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby Madge » Thu Apr 13, 2017 12:47 am UTC

@Carlington: agreed, I'd already made all relevant decisions (and posted a reads list in a spoiler) before I saw your post.

Crossfire

Spoiler:
My prediction:
- Dim targets Sabrar (since I told Dim that Carlington is Decoy)
- Sabrar targets me, but is killed by dim so I survive

(I think I made the fact I was VIP way too obvious after rereading the game, also I'm pretty sure Sabrar saw the VIP get passed into the me/carl/mpolo shuffle train)


Also - crossfire was a barrel of fun! It was like a mini-dethy which I didn't expect at all. Would anyone else be up for a second game before Stephen King mafia starts? I'll run it if GoP doesn't have time.
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby Madge » Thu Apr 13, 2017 7:08 am UTC

Also, crossfire is done! I chucked a signup sheet for round 2 into the signup thread because i'm keen like that.
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby BoomFrog » Thu Apr 13, 2017 11:01 pm UTC

Hello my friends.
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby Deva » Thu Apr 13, 2017 11:09 pm UTC

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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby dimochka » Fri Apr 14, 2017 12:06 am UTC

BoomFrog wrote:Hello my friends.

Welcome back!
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby Madge » Fri Apr 14, 2017 2:48 am UTC

!!!! So lovely to see you!
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby BoomFrog » Fri Apr 14, 2017 4:19 am UTC

Daww, you guys are giving me the warm fuzzies. I didn't realize how much I missed this community. I live in Seattle now, any of y'all out here?
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby kalira » Fri Apr 14, 2017 3:04 pm UTC

If by "out here" you mean "on the entirely opposite end of the country," then absolutely! :D Welcome back, Boom!

Side note: I was thinking about starting another thread for socializing/IRL/non-Mafia discussion for Mafia players/whatever here. I missed that whole exchange that ended with Madge creating a FB group for us because I was avoiding Gojoe (bc THE ALLURE OF THE SPOILERS, MAN!). Am I the only one who would find use in such a thing, or is there enough interest/people who try to avoid Gojoe during games/whatever that it wouldn't go belly up immediately?
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby dimochka » Fri Apr 14, 2017 5:35 pm UTC

BoomFrog wrote:Daww, you guys are giving me the warm fuzzies. I didn't realize how much I missed this community. I live in Seattle now, any of y'all out here?

I'm in California, BUT I'll be visiting friends in Seattle next month (never been so using that as my excuse).
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby mpolo » Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:46 am UTC

Welcome back, Boomfrog!
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby Thingyman » Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:50 am UTC

Hi guys

It's that time of year again. Time for The Mafia Championship.

This is the 4th season, and we're setting a new record yet again: 150 communities will be participating!

I'm hoping very much that someone from here would be interested in representing xkcd at this tournament? :)

More information here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1E9x ... 5p4W4/edit

Cliffs:
- The setup this year: 15-man Mountainous (3 Mafia Goons vs. 12 Vanilla Townies)
- Qualifiers take place during May and June. So your rep would just need to have 2-3 weeks that they could play during either of those months.
- Your rep can choose between 12, 36, 48 or 72 hour Day Phases
- Your rep needs to make a minimum of 10 posts per Day Phase

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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby dimochka » Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:55 pm UTC

Anyone thinking about it? I don't think I can commit that much time to it sadly.
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby kalira » Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:20 pm UTC

Dark Tower:

Spoiler:
From game-specific rules (emphasis mine): "As this is a closed(ish) setup, you may not get answers to your questions but the mod will never lie to me." Sabrar is obviously a shill for the real mod! Clearly the correct first choice is to lynch the mod! ANARCHY!
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrar » Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:09 am UTC

Dark Tower (mod notes, players and replacements may not read)
Spoiler:
- I felt the scum-team being a bit weak in my most recent games so I might have gone overboard and made them too strong this time, we'll see.
- Setup is 8-3-1-1 with SK and Guardian Angel being the 2 indies (GA protects Town Vig but does not know alignment/ability, Vig is not aware of GA).
- Don't really know how to give SK sufficient protection so that he has a reasonable chance so I made him completely immune to night-actions, except if he gets targeted by too many at the same time. Inspiration was emlightened's role from Secret Santa 2016.
- Town powers are pretty standard, scum-team has False-Inventor, Roleblocker and Rolecop as active abilities, Godfather and 1-shot Ninja as passive. No Strongman because Town doesn't have roleblock, jailer or bulletproof, will be interesting to see if they figure this out.

@kalira: I have no idea what you're talking about. :D

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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby dimochka » Tue Apr 18, 2017 3:20 pm UTC

Dark Tower
Spoiler:
Sidenote - if I am ever a doctor, I'm claiming PGO. This either an awesome or a completely terrible idea, depending on how convincing I am.
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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby adnapemit » Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:39 pm UTC

Dark Tower
Spoiler:
Have there actually been any games recently that have had a jester? I feel like this is one of those topics that comes up frequently in D1 discussion, but there's almost never one in practice.
Was the last Jester really Smalltown Werewolf PYP? or am I just bad at finding the roles?

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Re: The Gojoe Memorial Mafia Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrar » Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:55 pm UTC

Dark Tower (@adnapemit)
Spoiler:
adnapemit wrote:Was the last Jester really Smalltown Werewolf PYP? or am I just bad at finding the roles?
Trial of the Pariah contained a Suicidal role who had to die in order to win (whether by lynch or NK). Impromptu Mafia contained a Jester because I submitted one. No 'proper' Mafia game had a true Jester role since Smalltown.


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