Mafia Round 5

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Re: Mafia Round 5

Postby There-is-no-spoon » Tue Aug 05, 2008 5:53 pm UTC

@nmsjohn; That quote about hurry up the lynching was on page 15. Long before Drconcon's post (on page 18) about him investigating MAJ, which gave us clarity about MAJ. At that stage we were only starting to suspect MAJ. My council was caution, and only that.

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Re: Mafia Round 5

Postby tryptanymph » Tue Aug 05, 2008 7:15 pm UTC

There's nothing I can really say right now. Except what I've already said, and even then you only have my word for it.

If you lynch me, you've lost a Townie, if you don't, the Mafia will probably murder me in my sleep. TinS came up as pro-town for me when I investigated.

Oh, my earlier roleclaim was, in part, to avoid a lynch. It's still completely true. Even if you are innocent, you'll try to save your ass. I'm still not out of it. Anyway, I'm not gonna be internetting tonight (probably) so if I wake up and you've lynched me, or the Mafia have killed me, I leave my Police Badge to the sunuvabitch who killed me.
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Re: Mafia Round 5

Postby nsmjohn » Tue Aug 05, 2008 7:21 pm UTC

There-is-no-spoon wrote:@nmsjohn; That quote about hurry up the lynching was on page 15. Long before Drconcon's post (on page 18) about him investigating MAJ, which gave us clarity about MAJ. At that stage we were only starting to suspect MAJ. My council was caution, and only that.

Yes that quote was on page 15, after Sleepygamer pointed a finger at MAJ. Sleepygamer's original post said something along the lines of "MAJ hurried the lynching of some people" (My previous post has a full, unaltered... minus some bold, quote of it). Your paraphrase of him (also in my last post), makes it sound like Sleepygamer is the one who wants quick lynches.

At that stage only Gamer posted suspicions of MAJ, soon to be followed by Drconcon, and then by me when some people here felt it was prudent to pull me out of deep lurk. The last nail was definitely Drconcon's roleclaim and marking of MAJ as guilty.
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Re: Mafia Round 5

Postby Blast » Tue Aug 05, 2008 8:19 pm UTC

I think the only thing that matters now is the three day cop role claims. Just to make sure I have it straight:

Drconcon claims he is a day cop and MAJ is mafia. He is right about MAJ.
Sleepygamer claims he is a day cop and Spoon comes up as pro-town.
Cycoden claims (last) he is a day cop and that Sleepygamer, the other non-confirmed role-claiming day cop, is pro-town. Therefore, cycoden must:

a) be the day cop, which would make sleepygamer the godfather, a mafia supporter, or a lying townie
b) be mafia trying, possibly with sleepygamer, to throw suspicion onto drconcon for no apparent reason and with a poor chance of success
c) be an extraordinarily brave or very stupid mafia for claiming that the other claiming day cop is pro town instead of mafia.

That's why I voted for sleepygamer. Unless drconcon is mafia and threw MAJ under the bus, either sleepy or cycoden has to be mafia.

I have no idea what's up with TMP.
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Re: Mafia Round 5

Postby Azrael001 » Tue Aug 05, 2008 8:35 pm UTC

Bleh...

I didn't remember that there was already a cop role claim, likewise I forgot about the Mafia supporters. That's what you get when a game dies for a few days...

So yeah, I'm going to have to

Unvote TMP

Now it looks like I'm vote hopping... Sigh. I still stand by my former statement about cops role claiming. It gets things going in a way that is not a random lynch. But that is neither here nor there...

We now have a choice between Cycoden and Sleepygamer, of the two Sleepy seems much more suspicious, and he is the only one new enough that he might make the mistake of false role claiming. I'm not going to vote yet, I want to see how things go. For now

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Re: Mafia Round 5

Postby drconcon » Tue Aug 05, 2008 9:13 pm UTC

I'm not really posting to say much. Just that I am here.
I truly think Sleepygamer is scum and the town has a much better chance if we lynch Sleepy soon, if not tonight.
I don't think Cycoden would be foolish enough to false-roleclaim being the cop in this situation.
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Re: Mafia Round 5

Postby drconcon » Tue Aug 05, 2008 9:23 pm UTC

EBWOP:
This is the longest day in history.
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Re: Mafia Round 5

Postby une see » Tue Aug 05, 2008 9:27 pm UTC

Updated vote list:
1) Gojoe*
3) MartinW* - poprocks and coke
4) Jakeyizle*
5) There-is-no-spoon*
6) The Moo Prophet* - poprocks and coke There-is-no-spoon The Moo Prophet
7) Tigion* - sleepygamer There-is-no-spoon sleepygamer
8 ) Azrael001* - poprocks and coke sleepygamer The Moo Prophet
10) Blast* - sleepygamer
12) nsmjohn*
14) sarr* - sleepygamer
15) drconcon* - poprocks and coke sleepygamer The Moo Prophet sleepygamer
16) Megatriorchis* - poprocks and coke
17) sleepygamer* - poprocks and coke
19) Upsilon*
20) Poprocks and coke*
23) Cycoden*

1 vote for The Moo Prophet
4 votes for sleepygamer
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Re: Mafia Round 5

Postby poprocks and coke » Tue Aug 05, 2008 10:18 pm UTC

I agree with blast and azrael. sleepy seems the most suspicious.

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Re: Mafia Round 5

Postby Gojoe » Wed Aug 06, 2008 1:10 am UTC

So what did sleepy gamer do again?
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Re: Mafia Round 5

Postby Azrael001 » Wed Aug 06, 2008 1:45 am UTC

Claimed Cop, possibly (probably) falsely.
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Re: Mafia Round 5

Postby drconcon » Wed Aug 06, 2008 2:19 am UTC

So... *twiddles thumbs*
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Re: Mafia Round 5

Postby The Moo Prophet » Wed Aug 06, 2008 3:12 am UTC

Well, if this is what I have to do to move the day along, then so be it.

Unvote: The Moo Prophet
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Re: Mafia Round 5

Postby Gojoe » Wed Aug 06, 2008 5:27 am UTC

Why do we think he is not the cop?
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Re: Mafia Round 5

Postby Tigerlion » Wed Aug 06, 2008 5:29 am UTC

Mostly because he's acted otherwise.

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Re: Mafia Round 5

Postby MartinW » Wed Aug 06, 2008 5:35 am UTC

I haven't really gotten around to doing a proper analysis but I think we should lynch TMP. He could either be a mafia role trying to confuse us, or a pro-town role like the mafia traitor who has left hints to who the mafia are. Getting lynched could be his way of roleclaiming, which some roles can't do. So I say we lynch him and tomorrow lynch whoever he left hints to lynch.

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Re: Mafia Round 5

Postby Blast » Wed Aug 06, 2008 6:04 am UTC

I think sleepy is not the cop because he role claimed when he had suspicion on him, whereas cycoden did not. Cycoden claimed after two people had already claimed day cop and also said sleepy came up pro-town - both odd choices if he was mafia - and has generally acted less suspicious than sleepygamer.

We can lynch TMP tomorrow or let the vigilante kill him (or, if he is the mafia traitor, let his own mafia kill him).

With one false day cop and whatever TMP is trying to tell us we'll have a good idea of who to lynch tomorrow.
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Re: Mafia Round 5

Postby There-is-no-spoon » Wed Aug 06, 2008 7:14 am UTC

Silknor wrote:One Shot Day Cops:
1. Can PM both mods to gain information on a target during the day, will get that information ASAP
2. If the Mods can't get to the PM before enough votes are in for twlight to being, the cop will be told the results as soon as the lynch summary goes up
3. May PM the Mods during the night, in that case will get the information PMed when the morning news post is.
4. Is told Pro-Town or Pro-Mafia
5. Gets Pro-Town for Godfather, Pro-Town for Mafia Supporters, and Pro-Mafia for Mafia Traitor but they are guarenteed Sanity and accuracy on all other targets
6. This ability can only be used once
7. Becomes a normal townie after using their investigation

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Re: Mafia Round 5

Postby cycoden » Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:15 am UTC

MartinW wrote:I haven't really gotten around to doing a proper analysis but I think we should lynch TMP. He could either be a mafia role trying to confuse us, or a pro-town role like the mafia traitor who has left hints to who the mafia are. Getting lynched could be his way of roleclaiming, which some roles can't do. So I say we lynch him and tomorrow lynch whoever he left hints to lynch.

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I hadn't thought of that. Ingenious!

I'll have to go and consider the last few pages yet again.
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Re: Mafia Round 5

Postby Megatriorchis » Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:33 am UTC

MartinW wrote:I haven't really gotten around to doing a proper analysis but I think we should lynch TMP. He could either be a mafia role trying to confuse us, or a pro-town role like the mafia traitor who has left hints to who the mafia are. Getting lynched could be his way of roleclaiming, which some roles can't do. So I say we lynch him and tomorrow lynch whoever he left hints to lynch.

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I agree, but wouldn't it be a waste if he's not mafia? We have to consider that. He's kind of a valuable player.
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Re: Mafia Round 5

Postby tryptanymph » Wed Aug 06, 2008 11:02 am UTC

I would just like to repeat that I did, in part, claim cop to try avoid a lynch. Whether you are innocent or not, you use whatever you have at your disposal to survive.

Think about it. If you were a townie/cop, and people started going, "Hey, that guys looks suspicious... GET 'IM!" wouldn't you back away from the mob and try to explain that you weren't?

Would you have preferred I kept my mouth shut, and let you lynch a townie without sharing my findings?

What else was I supposed to do?

Gah.

You wanna lynch me, go ahead. But as I once heard on a TV show that requires you to lie, from the player who won by lying, "Honesty is always the best policy."
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Re: Mafia Round 5

Postby Megatriorchis » Wed Aug 06, 2008 11:10 am UTC

sleepygamer wrote:I would just like to repeat that I did, in part, claim cop to try avoid a lynch. Whether you are innocent or not, you use whatever you have at your disposal to survive.

Claiming cop was not a wise thing to do.

I really don't know who to vote for.
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Re: Mafia Round 5

Postby cycoden » Wed Aug 06, 2008 11:44 am UTC

MartinW wrote:Getting lynched could be his way of roleclaiming, which some roles can't do. So I say we lynch him and tomorrow lynch whoever he left hints to lynch.


Before we use a lynch, could some of the more experienced players perhaps consider which players can't be a non-roleclaimable role (ie: their posts would have caused them to be mod-killed if they had held such a role). I'm not sure where exactly the line would be drawn before some gets modkilled.

I've reviewed TMP's posts, and assuming he's allowed to say I'm mafia, please lynch me, I've seen nothing that I would suspect would get him modkilled - he's always been very careful to rely on others quotes and suspicions, or put an objective reason down (eg: lurking) for being suspicious of someone.

That said, I doubt he'd be the only player to fit the criteria.
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Re: Mafia Round 5

Postby cycoden » Wed Aug 06, 2008 11:55 am UTC

Actually, I'm not so sure about this anymore.

The mafia traitor has a one-shot night kill. Why try and get himself lynched before he's used it.

(Unless it failed because of the hobo or jailkeeper - but how likely is that)
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Re: Mafia Round 5

Postby drconcon » Wed Aug 06, 2008 1:17 pm UTC

I think it's more likely TMP is a supporter and not the traitor to the mob.
I think Sleepygamer claimed to be the other cop, but when Cycoden did the same thing, I think he was caught off-guard. This would explain why Sleepygamer "Had nothing he could really say. Except what he's already said."
I think we have something big with Sleepygamer, and I don't think it should be ignored.
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Re: Mafia Round 5

Postby The Moo Prophet » Wed Aug 06, 2008 2:14 pm UTC

Gojoe wrote:Why do we think he [sleepygamer] is not the cop?


Because Cycoden's role-claim doesn't make sense if he isn't the cop. If Cycoden is the cop, that means that Sleepy has a role that appears pro-town. The only pro-town role that would be willing to claim day-cop and thus put suspicion on any real day-cop that wanted to claim would be the mafia supporter. This makes sleepygamer's 'investigation' make a little more sense, trying to remove suspicion from both himself and Spoon, who we can assume sleepgamer thinks is mafia (if sleepy is, in fact, a supporter)

If Cycoden is not actually the day-cop then his role claim seems to be that tactic of a supporter trying to clear suspicion from sleepy, except that by claiming day-cop he ends up casting even more suspicion on sleepy (and some on himself until sleepy is found to be lying). Again, I can't imagine a pro-town role claiming day-cop falsely. It can do too much harm.

Then again, maybe they are both mafia supporters trying to distract us from the real threat for one more day, who knows?

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Re: Mafia Round 5

Postby Tigerlion » Wed Aug 06, 2008 2:15 pm UTC

Blast wrote:We can lynch TMP tomorrow or let the vigilante kill him (or, if he is the mafia traitor, let his own mafia kill him).

We also have the one shot hitman, too.

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Re: Mafia Round 5

Postby Silknor » Wed Aug 06, 2008 3:51 pm UTC

There-is-no-spoon wrote:Mods: Will we told that the player was a One Shot Cop after his death?


Yes
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Re: Mafia Round 5

Postby The Moo Prophet » Thu Aug 07, 2008 2:49 am UTC

24 hours since the last vote (almost), anyone else feel like weighing in?

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Re: Mafia Round 5

Postby Azrael001 » Thu Aug 07, 2008 2:53 am UTC

I think that I may have forgot to vote.

It seems clear now that we have a choice between Sleepy and Cycoden. I think that Sleepy is much more likely to be lying.

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Re: Mafia Round 5

Postby Megatriorchis » Thu Aug 07, 2008 2:53 am UTC

Vote: Sleepygamer
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Re: Mafia Round 5

Postby Azrael001 » Thu Aug 07, 2008 2:54 am UTC

Mega, we managed to do the same thing at the same time, weird...
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Re: Mafia Round 5

Postby The Moo Prophet » Thu Aug 07, 2008 2:54 am UTC

Very impressive.

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Re: Mafia Round 5

Postby Azrael001 » Thu Aug 07, 2008 2:57 am UTC

I thought so.
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Re: Mafia Round 5

Postby Megatriorchis » Thu Aug 07, 2008 3:03 am UTC

We're like brain twins or something.
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Re: Mafia Round 5

Postby Megatriorchis » Thu Aug 07, 2008 3:04 am UTC

Oh wait, that's not the first time I've done that in a Mafia game. The last time what when me and WWS voted to lynch someone at exactly the same time in the first Crazy Round.
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Re: Mafia Round 5

Postby Azrael001 » Thu Aug 07, 2008 3:09 am UTC

Well are you going to bed in the next minute or two? If not then we are not brain twins sorry.
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Re: Mafia Round 5

Postby The Moo Prophet » Thu Aug 07, 2008 3:10 am UTC

You might be brain twins in different time zones!

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Re: Mafia Round 5

Postby Azrael001 » Thu Aug 07, 2008 3:18 am UTC

No! That's impossible! [/Luke Skywalker]
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Re: Mafia Round 5

Postby tryptanymph » Thu Aug 07, 2008 3:25 am UTC

Megatriorchis wrote:
sleepygamer wrote:I would just like to repeat that I did, in part, claim cop to try avoid a lynch. Whether you are innocent or not, you use whatever you have at your disposal to survive.

Claiming cop was not a wise thing to do.

What else could I do? *Shrugs*

Well... looks like I'm toast. Well done, Joe, you managed to turn the tide against yourself. Good job. :roll:

Well, you guys go ahead and murder me, I'm gonna go grab some kip. Congrats on losing yourself a townie!
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