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Re: Futuramafia — Day 3: Bite my shiny metal... Oh no!

Postby korora » Sun May 03, 2009 9:12 pm UTC

5 Vieto (cycoden, mister k, VectorZero, Timequake, Master_Rahl22)
4 Brooklynxman (Vieto, Mr Pete, Entropy, ameretrifle)
1 Master_Rahl22 (NAR)

8 to lynch.
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Re: Futuramafia — Day 3: Bite my shiny metal... Oh no!

Postby Timequake » Sun May 03, 2009 9:17 pm UTC

Since Brooklynxman has, apparently, been killed by NAR, I will simply unvote.
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Re: Futuramafia — Day 3: Bite my shiny metal... Oh no!

Postby korora » Sun May 03, 2009 9:19 pm UTC

Just to be clear, nobody died just now.

4 Vieto (cycoden, mister k, VectorZero, Master_Rahl22)
4 Brooklynxman (Vieto, Mr Pete, Entropy, ameretrifle)
1 Master_Rahl22 (NAR)

8 to lynch.
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Re: Futuramafia — Day 3: Bite my shiny metal... Oh no!

Postby Not A Raptor » Sun May 03, 2009 9:20 pm UTC

Somebody must've roleblocked me!
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Re: Futuramafia — Day 3: Bite my shiny metal... Oh no!

Postby Entropy » Sun May 03, 2009 9:36 pm UTC

Well, we kill him the old fashioned way then.

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Re: Futuramafia — Day 3: Bite my shiny metal... Oh no!

Postby ameretrifle » Sun May 03, 2009 10:01 pm UTC

...Huh. That's odd. Glad I didn't bother unvoting, then.

NAR got roleblocked and didn't know about it? How in the hell? Are you sure you didn't just phrase it wrong or something, NAR?

Or, he could somehow be immune... but I can't imagine why that would be. Of course, I know the bare minimum about possible roles in this game, which is one of the reasons I keep being so damn perplexed. I'm just happy I got a role I could understand...

Either NAR's lying, which somehow I don't believe, or brooklynxman has even more explaining to do. I'm leaning toward the latter.

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Re: Futuramafia — Day 3: Bite my shiny metal... Oh no!

Postby Not A Raptor » Sun May 03, 2009 10:17 pm UTC

ameretrifle wrote:...Huh. That's odd. Glad I didn't bother unvoting, then.

NAR got roleblocked and didn't know about it? How in the hell? Are you sure you didn't just phrase it wrong or something, NAR?

Or, he could somehow be immune... but I can't imagine why that would be. Of course, I know the bare minimum about possible roles in this game, which is one of the reasons I keep being so damn perplexed. I'm just happy I got a role I could understand...

Either NAR's lying, which somehow I don't believe, or brooklynxman has even more explaining to do. I'm leaning toward the latter.

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Re: Futuramafia — Day 3: Bite my shiny metal... Oh no!

Postby mister k » Sun May 03, 2009 11:02 pm UTC

Well... thats a whole load of info! I am happy to go with brooklyn.

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Re: Futuramafia — Day 3: Bite my shiny metal... Oh no!

Postby luketheduke » Sun May 03, 2009 11:27 pm UTC

I call a big can of WIFOM on NAR. Or was that just supposed to be a standard one-shot daykill that somehow failed?
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Re: Futuramafia — Day 3: Bite my shiny metal... Oh no!

Postby moody7277 » Sun May 03, 2009 11:29 pm UTC

I did kind of get a twinge off of Brooklynxman, and no such twinge from Vieto in my most recent re-read.

Vote: Brooklynxman

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Re: Futuramafia — Day 3: Bite my shiny metal... Oh no!

Postby korora » Sun May 03, 2009 11:33 pm UTC

Counting votes is an excellent way to procrastinate!

6 Brooklynxman (Vieto, Mr Pete, Entropy, ameretrifle, mister k, moody7277)
3 Vieto (cycoden, VectorZero, Master_Rahl22)
1 Master_Rahl22 (NAR)

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Re: Futuramafia — Day 3: Bite my shiny metal... Oh no!

Postby Entropy » Sun May 03, 2009 11:40 pm UTC

NaR... why attempt to kill Brook, but when it doesn't work leave your vote on MR22?

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Re: Futuramafia — Day 3: Bite my shiny metal... Oh no!

Postby ameretrifle » Mon May 04, 2009 12:20 am UTC

An excellent question, Entropy... I too await the answer. Though I am skeptical of our chances of getting one.

One thing I can say is it'll take one heck of an argument to get me to vote cycoden. I've seen him mentioned as a target, but I haven't thought he was suspicious at all myself. I thought his argument against Vieto made a lot of sense, even if (presumably) it turned out not to be true. I could be convinced, but it wouldn't be easy.

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Re: Futuramafia — Day 3: Bite my shiny metal... Oh no!

Postby Vieto » Mon May 04, 2009 12:35 am UTC

We'll consider investigating him tonight.

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Re: Futuramafia — Day 3: Bite my shiny metal... Oh no!

Postby Timequake » Mon May 04, 2009 1:07 am UTC

vote: Brooklynxman
It seems strange to me that there would be an unannounced roleblock, and I'm not sure what kind of anti-town role could be immune from Eddie's explosions. (Also, it might not necessarily be a single-use power: his head exploded multiple times in the same episode, although I'm not sure why he would wait to use it until now)
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Re: Futuramafia — Day 3: Bite my shiny metal... Oh no!

Postby Not A Raptor » Mon May 04, 2009 1:18 am UTC

You've gotta remember I'm malfunctioning. :p
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Re: Futuramafia — Day 3: Bite my shiny metal... Oh no!

Postby ameretrifle » Mon May 04, 2009 1:31 am UTC

Well... it'd be a hell of a gambit for you to claim to have a daykill if you knew you didn't have one, so, for the moment, I do believe your claim on that. Still, if you're willing to blow the guy up, there's no reason you shouldn't vote for him. Or does something in your role prevent that? You have been vote-hopping like crazy all game.

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Re: Futuramafia — Day 3: Bite my shiny metal... Oh no!

Postby Not A Raptor » Mon May 04, 2009 1:38 am UTC

Vote: Brooklynxman

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Re: Futuramafia — Night 4: It's toe-tappingly tragic!

Postby korora » Mon May 04, 2009 1:55 am UTC

8 Brooklynxman (Vieto, Mr Pete, Entropy, ameretrifle, mister k, moody7277, Timequake, Not A Raptor)
3 Vieto (cycoden, VectorZero, Master_Rahl22)

Brooklynxman is lynched.


Everyone was a little lazy after the crazy events of the previous night. They started to accuse Vieto of being an evil mafia-bot, but he refuted them by claiming to be a human! Since nobody had actually seen a living human before, they couldn't tell if he was lying or not, so they killed Brook instead. They locked him in a tank of water and threw away the key.

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Re: Futuramafia — Night 4: It's toe-tappingly tragic!

Postby Brooklynxman » Mon May 04, 2009 2:25 pm UTC

wait I got lynched when I wasnt even here?

God that sucks.
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Re: Futuramafia — Night 3: It's toe-tappingly tragic!

Postby korora » Wed May 06, 2009 4:17 am UTC

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Futuramafia — Day 4: I did do the nasty in the past-y.

Postby korora » Thu May 07, 2009 5:50 am UTC

It's another beautiful day in the robot universe. Actually, that's a lie. It's pretty crappy. The rain is pouring down from an unfriendly sky so gray that it nearly matches the color of Brooklynxman's finish. When he's fished out of the tank of water—circuits sufficiently fried—his body is inspected. One of his legs appears to have been replaced by a wooden crutch, although nobody is quite sure whether that was his original design, or whether he's simply in need of repair. He was Tinny Tim, well known to be a Robot Mafia sympathizer. When his head is cracked open, they find something else, though: a microchip that is clearly aftermarket with "LOVE" stamped on it in friendly bold letters.

The other casualty of the morning is Vieto. Ironically, he too was drowned; he's found at the bottom of the lake with a brand new pair of shoes on. It seems the Robot Mafia wanted to show their appreciation with a gift! Unfortunately for Vieto, these shoes were made of concrete. His red hair and doughy physique clearly indicate the Vieto was Fry.


Brooklynxman was lynched. He was Tinny Tim (culted scum).
Vieto was killed in the night. He was Fry (town).

Day 4 starts now. 13 players left, 7 to lynch.
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Re: Futuramafia — Day 4: I did do the nasty in the past-y.

Postby ameretrifle » Thu May 07, 2009 6:08 am UTC

Oh, crap, I was afraid something would happen to Vieto. Now I wonder if we have any Doctor roles at all; that move was pretty obvious. Though they could've just got caught up in the WIFOM and protected Mr Pete or someone else instead. I've made that mistake myself once or twice.

Mr Pete, your investigation last night still should've gone through, right? I'd ask whether you still have one now, but a) I suspect I know the answer and b) I'm not sure you ought to answer that if I'm wrong.

Ah, that's not an auspicious beginning to the day, even if Brook was like double-scum. At least we know a little more about the cult now. Does that flavor fit with the "Mom" theory people were floating around before? I did see that episode, but my memory of it's a little vague.

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Re: Futuramafia — Day 4: I did do the nasty in the past-y.

Postby VectorZero » Thu May 07, 2009 7:34 am UTC

Holy crap that was a quick lynch yesterday: 8 hours i think from Mr Pete's claim to night fall. It's a shame that Vieto couldn't have claimed himself though.

Also, I'd like to hear a response from cycoden to Vieto's allegation that his vote was stimulated by Vieto's attack on brooklynxman (woohoo by the way, killing culted scum? nice work guys. Also, Tinny Tim would bring the mafia count to 4 [Tim, Don Bot, Clamps, Joey Mousepad] that we predicted back on D1.)

ameretrifle wrote:Now I wonder if we have any Doctor roles at all; that move was pretty obvious. Though they could've just got caught up in the WIFOM and protected Mr Pete or someone else instead.

That seems pretty likely, no specific reason to NK Vieto/Fry out of the two. I'd still assume there is a doc role (y'know, given the whole Zoidberg thing.)
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Re: Futuramafia — Day 4: I did do the nasty in the past-y.

Postby mister k » Thu May 07, 2009 8:28 am UTC

Mum is definitely running the cult- that love symbol is very much associated with her. In that case the cult probably started with 1-4, with Mum and her three sons running it.

MasterRahl was about to lay on some evidence for cyoden being scum before Cyoden then gave a reasonable argument against Vieto. Now while, admittedly, the argument was convincing enough for most of us, I would like to hear MRs reasons for suspecting cyoden.
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Re: Futuramafia — Day 3: Bite my shiny metal... Oh no!

Postby cycoden » Thu May 07, 2009 10:04 am UTC

VectorZero wrote:Also, I'd like to hear a response from cycoden to Vieto's allegation that his vote was stimulated by Vieto's attack on brooklynxman

Its indirectly true. I'd just found some time to review the thread and I was wondering who I should analyse first when I saw this post from you:
VectorZero wrote:
Vieto wrote:oh, almost forgot.

vote Brooklynxman


Seriously? You're voting because he's not voting for someone of who he has some suspicion? I agree he needs to put up or shut up, but you seem a little vote-happy.

So I decided that Vieto would be the first person I would analyse. And the rest of the story is in the thread above. I really thought I'd managed to find scum - unfortunately I wasn't around when the roleclaim occurred. Hopefully I'll have better luck on the weekend, which is the next chance I'll have to spend time doing another review.

VectorZero wrote:I'd still assume there is a doc role (y'know, given the whole Zoidberg thing.)
I doubt zoidberg would be a reliable doctor.
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Re: Futuramafia — Day 4: I did do the nasty in the past-y.

Postby Not A Raptor » Thu May 07, 2009 10:41 am UTC

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Re: Futuramafia — Day 4: I did do the nasty in the past-y.

Postby Adacore » Thu May 07, 2009 10:54 am UTC

Oh dear, is NaR still alive?

On a more serious note, yay on the cult-scum lynch. And I too do not expect Zoidberg to be the most reliable doctor in the world. For more useful speculation I shall have to do some reading, I'm a bit behind on this game... I shall endeavour to catch up.

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Re: Futuramafia — Day 4: I did do the nasty in the past-y.

Postby Adacore » Thu May 07, 2009 10:55 am UTC

EBWOP: Also, did Rahl continue Pepsiblue's incessant beeping? Did we ever work out what that was about? I can't see a recent post from him in the topic review.

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Re: Futuramafia — Day 3: Bite my shiny metal... Oh no!

Postby VectorZero » Thu May 07, 2009 11:52 am UTC

cycoden wrote:
VectorZero wrote:
Vieto wrote:oh, almost forgot.

vote Brooklynxman


Seriously? You're voting because he's not voting for someone of who he has some suspicion? I agree he needs to put up or shut up, but you seem a little vote-happy.

I stand by my first impression, but I guess in hindsight this was Vieto trying to clue us in to a cop.
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Re: Futuramafia — Day 4: I did do the nasty in the past-y.

Postby mister k » Thu May 07, 2009 12:16 pm UTC

Yeah, the reason given by vieto was initially flimsy, because the true reason was investigation: it certainly persuaded me to vote. Sadly he had to reveal himself when we accused. Thinking about it, brooklyn has posted a hell of a lot in this thread- there must be some gems out there!
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Re: Futuramafia — Day 4: I did do the nasty in the past-y.

Postby Adacore » Thu May 07, 2009 2:01 pm UTC

ok then, let's go over Brook's posts. First the confirm, of course. Then (spoilered for length):

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Okay, so we know some sort of robot v human thing is going to come into this.

Also, this game better have hypno-toad.


I guess this was trying to muddy the waters as to who was scum? Or maybe at that stage he didn't realise that there were more robots than just the robot mafia. I'll assume the hypno-toad comment is irrelevant banter.

Hey guys, I have a sneaking suspicion trump is gonna lurk in this game, especially over the next couple of days.

A scum player justifying another player's lurking seems pretty suspect, so I'm going to raise my eyebrows of suspicion at Trump. Although I still have no reason to doubt Trump's roleclaim (see logic on day 2 or so), which would make it unlikely he's scum.

I kind of agree with mister k here, it isn't necessarily the robot mafia. Probably yes it is (from the sound of it), however, lets be honest. Can anyone say there aren't a good dozen other possibilities?

So he defends mister k too, although others were doing the same (Kipper did so in the post immediately before). Not so suspicious here, imo.

He then raises the possibility of a robot-recruiting cult, which is a sensible enough move as scum - the single most effective tactic for removing attention from the scum is to get everyone scared of a cult instead. He speculates pepsi's beeping means he's a robot in the next post. The next couple of posts (on the subject of Trump's behaviour and roleclaim) seem to be trying to throw some suspicions in that direction.

He tries again to move attention away from the scum by saying he suspects scum to be a small faction with many more anti-town factions and independents around that we should worry about. He then questions whether cult can recruit scum (which is, in retrospect, highly ironic; unless he'd already been culted, in which case it's highly WIFOM, but I'm assuming that at this stage - still day 1 - he was unculted scum).

However, this is not a normal game. Reprogramming could have failed for several reasons. I am not going to even consider Entropy scum for that. However, if other evidence shows up later, I may take it into account (unless someone tells me I've got my facts wrong).

I think I have deduced something about vector's role from this, I would say he is probably safe for now. If he is up for lynch I will clarify my suspicions. Until then I will keep them quiet.

This is somewhat interesting - he defends Entropy and states vague suspicions(?) about vector. Depending how you read the WIFOM this could implicate either of them, but from my perspective, I get an uneasy feeling about vector from this. The next few posts discuss both entropy and vector, raising further nebulous suspicions about vector. He also tosses an accusation in the direction of moody, followed by his 'this is gold' post where he puts more weight behind the accusations and votes moody.

Also Kipper never tried to get other people to follow him, I get the impression he doesn't expect une see to be lynched (possibly a power is involved, as this is a quite out of the ordinary maneuver).

Defends Kipper's vote, I don't personally read much into this, but others might. He goes on to say he normally gets scum pings from Kipper but 'his scumdar isn't blaring yet'. This would make me considerably more suspicious, if Kipper were still with us... Then there's some post about mafia NKs, moody, vector and entropy. I think he's still accusing moody and defending entropy here.

He then arbitrarily switches his vote from moody to CV (fellow scum) for the lurker-lynching. His final post of day 1 is to try to hurry along the hammer on CV by accusing him of 'saying nothing at all' when he reappears (presumably trying to dissociate himself here by throwing CV under a bus), and throwing more suspicion at moody.

Day 2 starts with him trying to shift the suspicion onto Trump for his roleclaim on day 1, after une see was revealed as a pure vanilla robot. This was a pretty successful ploy, as we mostly followed his lead and spent a lot of day 2 discussing Trump (which was some of my only analysis in the game to date). He then makes a suggestion for an invention (an 'invincible cop') which sounds to me something so overpowered a mod would never let it happen. He follows this with another attempt to switch the focus onto a potential cult, rather than scum.

Well, wait. nar's post isn't enought o go on unless nar says more (although I can still be convinced on tq, its for the other stated reasons, and even then, I want the lying liar that is trump off'ed).

Next, would this mean Trump is now cult?

Pretty definitely trying to both whip up a cult-scare and accuse Trump here, then his next post says he's unsure of innocence or guilt of moody. He follows this with a more expansive post, explaining that he feels the case against moody has weakened and throwing yet more accusations at Trump. He then starts getting some suspicion coming his way for being so sure of Trump's guilt and unvotes after a couple of posts. After a bit of inactivity (due to his homelessness), we get this:

I am unconvinced of moody's guilt as well. Perhaps bandwagon will be derailed at this point?

Which is yet another weak defence of moody (since moody had 7 votes at this stage). This is an interesting move, if moody were town I'd expect scum/cult to either jump on the bandwagon or stay silent and wait for the timelimit. We've already seen (with CV) that Brook isn't above throwing his scum teammates under a bus, though, so if he's scum I'd expect a vote. I see three possible reasons Brook did this here: either he'd already been culted and moody is the cult leader (assuming non-transferrable recruiting powers, cult would really not want to kill the leader); or he'd not been culted and moody is scum (he didn't sacrifice him because the scum team was already one down); or of course it could simply be that moody is town and he thought the bandwagon was going to follow through (it was timelimited, after all) without needing to implicate himself by voting.

Anyway, the next post is to heavily accuse mister k of scumminess.
mister_k: I felt that post oozing with scumminess, for a newb that is an aweful lot of scheming to come up with. Just saying.

He follows this with a brief exchange with NaR over the crazyness of his posts and whether this is mandatory.

I agree with the logic on mega, and dont want to see moody lynched for the sole purpose of info gaining.

Vote: Mega

Also, I think moody is hoping you will be lynched because of something you do.

So he bandwagons onto Mega (he had the 3rd vote) while still defending moody. What do people think that last bit is on about? I have no idea what he meant there. His next post agrees with Rahl's post giving logic for lynching Mega (side note - no beeping in that post from Rahl). He then states that his scumdar is now going off for Kipper for objecting to lynch-a-lurker, also saying that he's sure NaR's craziness is voluntary (which I think is highly unlikely, but kudos to him if it is). Anyway, this is followed by lots of posts about how voting for Mega is a good idea, then the time limit for D2 comes up and Mega is lynched.

His first serious move on day 3 is to start accusing Entropy for unjustified accusations and 'lying about the cult', but doesn't vote claiming he's going to do a full analysis later. When questioned about this he then retracts his suspicions saying that Entropy's lies helped the town, and says Entropy is pro-town. There was then some speculation as to whether we have a robot cop or not. And he didn't post anything else before being lynched.


So, in summary... he both defended (D1) and accused (D2+3) Trump (personally I think Trump is town), he defends mister k and entropy while throwing heavy suspicions at moody, then does a u-turn on moody (which struck me as most strange), going from highly suspicious to defending him between D1 and D3. Players he didn't really mention at all were AMT, Cycoden, Timequake, Mr Pete, luketheduke, Vieto and me, as far as I recall.

Mostly seperate, but I noticed from the readthrough that Rahl seems to have dropped the beeping from Pepsiblue's posts. If this wasn't mandatory, I personally think it's something more likely thought up by an anti-town player to try and distract people; but it could also be a town power role attempting to dissuade scum/cult/independents from recruiting or attacking.

Master_Rahl - do you have anything to say on this? Was the beeping mandatory? If so, why aren't you doing it, and if not, do you know why Pepsi did?

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Re: Futuramafia — Day 4: I did do the nasty in the past-y.

Postby cycoden » Thu May 07, 2009 2:17 pm UTC

I've got some idle speculation.

Firstly, while it is excellent that we have killed a culted scum, its really bad news that culted scum can exist.

In the matrix round, once the cult infiltrated the scum, they were able to influence the scum kill. On a worst case scenario, the cult can recruit one member while causing the death of a non-cult pro-town player every night. That will cause us to lose very quickly - although hopefully there are some other roles capable of countering the cult.

Since the flavour text advises that cult membership is achieved by a computer chip, I am going to make the rash assumption that only robots can be culted. Furthermore, a cult is weaker when it starts, and gains power as it gains recruits.

If my assumption that only robots can be culted is correct, it is highly likely that those who identified themselves as a robot would have been likely early recruits to the cult, as the cult would not want to risk failed recruits early on.

Based on this theory, possible cult recruits would include:
- Pepsiblue/MasterRahl (beep, beep, beep)
- Trumpkin (claimed hedonistbot)
- Adacore (claimed robot townie)
- Moody (stated he had a 'visual sensor' - implied robot)

I couldn't find any reason to suspect one player over another - I will investigate further on Saturday.

Ninja'd by adacore: If your post is accurate, then it seems reasonable to suspect moody of being cult. But I'm going to bed now.
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Re: Futuramafia — Day 4: I did do the nasty in the past-y.

Postby moody7277 » Thu May 07, 2009 2:25 pm UTC

Adacore wrote:then does a u-turn on moody (which struck me as most strange), going from highly suspicious to defending him between D1 and D3.


cycoden wrote:- Moody (stated he had a 'visual sensor' - implied robot)


I suppose these are the components of the WIFOM that I am now cult? Let me say now that, a. I beat the Devil last night (yay!), b. I got a one-shot invention for it, c. based on this morning's flavor text, I requested a "LOVE-chip detector". Based on the word construction, I think this will give us cult/no-cult but not scum/no-scum. I'll open the floor to suggestions on who to use it on, but of course the final decision is mine.
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Re: Futuramafia — Day 4: I did do the nasty in the past-y.

Postby Adacore » Thu May 07, 2009 2:32 pm UTC

I agree it's highly likely that a robot-recruiting cult (which, it seems, is what we have) would target confirmed robots. That would be Trump and me for sure (I've not been culted yet, though), and possibly Moody. I'm not remotely convinced that the beeping by Pepsi/Rahl can be taken to imply anything.

There are further possibilities though, which you touched on - the remaining members of the robot mafia would, I'd think, be logical cult targets. As you said, controlling the scum NK is very useful for cult, and if they had Brook then they'll know who the other members are - and we know the robot mafia are, of course, robots, and thus all recruitable. I think it would be reasonable to assume that the cult will have recruited more than one member of the robot mafia by now and quite probably have complete control of the NK, unless of course Brook was recruited on D3 and never had the chance to tell them who the other scum are.

Ninja'd by moody (that was meant to be a reply to cycoden). I'd suggest using the LOVE-chip detector on Trump, unless we have any firmer suspects, but don't be too hasty with it, obviously. However I will be reticent about trusting results obtained by said detector as I'm more than a little suspicious of moody at present.

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Re: Futuramafia — Day 4: I did do the nasty in the past-y.

Postby VectorZero » Thu May 07, 2009 3:15 pm UTC

[quote="moody7277I requested a "LOVE-chip detector". I'll open the floor to suggestions on who to use it on, but of course the final decision is mine.[/quote]

Regardless of who you decide to use it on, you might consider comparing notes with Entropy: if Entropy has cleansed a robot recently (or whatever it is he does to decult), he shouldn't be detected (assuming Entropy is telling the truth about his role of course.) In conjunction with a cop from Mr Pete, we could clear 3 people in one day/night cycle. Conversely, this may result in too much information going to the cult.

Either way, you should wait until Mr Pete posts.
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Re: Futuramafia — Day 4: I did do the nasty in the past-y.

Postby Trumpkin » Thu May 07, 2009 4:39 pm UTC

I admit that it's a good idea for the love chip detctor to be used on me since I can't simply say "I'm not cult, honest."
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Re: Futuramafia — Day 4: I did do the nasty in the past-y.

Postby moody7277 » Thu May 07, 2009 4:52 pm UTC

Well, I haven't gotten the specs back on it yet. The target of a single use device would obviously have to be more carefully chosen that a multiple-use device. Plus, only about half of the people still alive have been heard from today as yet.

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Re: Futuramafia — Day 4: I did do the nasty in the past-y.

Postby Master_Rahl22 » Thu May 07, 2009 5:53 pm UTC

Ok, I'm checking in and wow we've had a lot happen last night. That was awesome that we nabbed Brooklynxman as double-scum. (As an aside, I think my scumdar is going to be forever skewed on him, cause this is 2 out of 2 games I've been in with him where he was scum, the other being BBB.) Oh, and to answer people, Pepsiblue said at one point that the beeping was purely for fun and flavor, and I obviously don't have a post restriction that I have to since I haven't been beeping and haven't been modkilled. As for that making me a robot, I clearly can't choose the Wine In Front Of Me. Maybe I am, and maybe I just wanted people to think that I am. ;) I will agree that it seems the cult can only recruit robots, and that Moody's one-shot cult detector should probably target one of the claimed robots.

As promised, I have some analysis on Cycoden that I did indeed promise to post. Here we go:

Like I said, he first drew my attention from his protests against lynching CVSoul. He put them in terms of not wanting a lurker lynch, so it only seemed scummy to me in hindsight, knowing that CVSoul was scum. Then we have his first post from day 2.

Cycoden wrote:And D1 scum lynches aren't all that rare (usually the scum gives themself away somehow), but its pretty unusual in my experience for a disinterested lurker to be scum - since usually you would expect that the remaining scum would try and nominate a non-scum lurker as a lynch target.


This to me reads like "The scum surely would've done x, I didn't do x, therefore I am not scum." It's a purely WIFOM argument, presented as a harmless comment about the previous day's lynch but casting him in a good light. The scum actually would've been best off at that point just jumping on the wagon since it seemed unstoppable. Somebody suddenly shouting, "No wait guys, let's lynch this other player!!!1one" would've drawn instant suspicion.

Cycoden then proceeded to jump on Trumpkin's wagon and push harder once or twice, despite multiple people stating that Trumpkin always plays this way. This to me is kinda meh cause I almost jumped on him too, but sometimes you just gotta metagame and I believed the people who did so on Trumpkin.

On page 13, we have his response to my initial suspicion of him.

Cycoden wrote:The scum, obviously would have known that CVSoul is scum, and probably joined the lynch from the middle onwards, when it looked unstoppable.


We know now that Brooklynxman, our only other confirmed scum did exactly that. However, this contradicts what Cycoden said on day 2, and again looks to me like "Here's another thing the scum surely would've done, and I didn't do that one either!"

The final thing that makes me suspicious is him leading the wagon on Vieto, who is of course now confirmed town. Now I did buy into the wagon enough to vote for Vieto as well and clearly it's possible that a townie could've gotten a scum read off of Vieto, but taken with the rest of it I'm inclined to think Cycoden is scum.

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Re: Futuramafia — Day 4: I did do the nasty in the past-y.

Postby Timequake » Thu May 07, 2009 9:55 pm UTC

Well, it seems that the cult could be rather large by this point, depending on the number with which it started. Also, if Mom and her sons were the original cult members, then the chip detector will only detect culted robots, not the original 4. This means that, especially if it's a single-use item, the person scanned should be chosen very carefully, and any non-cult results that come up should be taken with a grain of salt. Also, I agree with most of what's been stated so far, including that Zoidberg would be a very unreliable doctor, especially for humans. With Tinny Tim and Clamps out of the picture, there are only The Donbot and Joey Mousepad left. As for the cult, there should be 1 more than they started with, because if we can trust claims made so far, they've failed in one recruit attempt (possibly 2? I'm not sure what the robot devil has to do with all this), and 1 culted robot has died. We can't be sure of the number of town roles left because there seem to be several independent roles in this game. Also, since it's doubtful that Brooklyn was cult on night 1, the nights 1(Une See) and 3(Vieto) kills should reveal mafia motives (although I can't think of much reason they would have for the night 1 kill, and Vieto is an obvious choice as a confirmed town with an investigate ability), and night 2(Kipper) might have been influenced by the cult. It doesn't seem that the cult (or the mafia, for that matter) would have any particular reason for killing Robot Santa, unless Kipper had thrown suspicion on someone who Brooklyn knew to be cult, or Brooklyn convinced the mafia to kill Kipper in order to deflect their kill away from a cult member.
At the moment, I'd suggest that the detector be used on Trumpkin. If the results come back positive then, obviously, he's a culted robot and wasn't lying to us with his roleclaim. If it comes back negative, then he's either non-cult or one of the cult's original members (either way, it would mean that there's at least 1 culted robot in the game)
In addition, if NAR's ability (if he really has it) could be used to eliminate someone found guilty by MrPete's investigation, then we could make the weeding-out process very quick, in the best case scenario taking out 1 cult with a lynch based on the detector, and 1 mafia or another cult using NAR's ability, based on the investigation.
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