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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Night 1 - Only a flesh wound!

Postby Bulvox » Sat Apr 25, 2009 4:27 am UTC

michaelandjimi wrote:1) Bulvox:
Bulvox wrote:Brooklynxman is the final one of the Keepers of Aaaaaaaaaaaagh!
What makes you sure that he is the final member? It may be possible that there are more. While I still reckon we should vote for Brooklynxman, I think we should be wary of Bulvox's alignment, for he very well could be a cult member throwing his buddies under the bus for the purposes of sneakiness.
Because I have knowledge of their conversation last night. And there were only three of them. A Black beast, a bunny rabbit, and an Old man were talking to each other. As we've already killed the Black beast and bunny rabbit, that just leaves the Old man. Besides, if I were a Cult Member, then why did I daykill AS?
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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 2 - He must have died while carving

Postby Bulvox » Sat Apr 25, 2009 4:28 am UTC

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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 2 - He must have died while carving

Postby Sir_Elderberry » Sat Apr 25, 2009 4:32 am UTC

Ah. Go ahead, but it wasn't a roleclaim. At that point, we were trying to guess which movie roles corresponded to which Mafia ones. I said the French because they'd been mentioned, but as they're not the ones who actually beat Arthur, I didn't think it was so sure. Innocent speculation, but go ahead.
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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 2 - He must have died while carving

Postby cycoden » Sat Apr 25, 2009 5:02 am UTC

...holy cow! (pun totally intended).

MaJ wrote:2) Cycoden:
cycoden wrote:Also, it seems mollusk is either a good guesser, or is a seer of some sort.
Why is this?


Mostly because of this:
mollusk wrote:And if I may offer a humble suggestion,
Don't say "I don't know" if asked a question.

Followed by brooks subsequent roleclaim. I didn't think that was likely to be the sort of information that she would share if she was linked to brook, either. I guess it could have been flavour based on the movie though.

Anyway, une makes perfect sense.

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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 2 - He must have died while carving

Postby Rakysh » Sat Apr 25, 2009 5:10 am UTC

*leaps on the passing bandwagon*

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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 2 - He must have died while carving

Postby Bulvox » Sat Apr 25, 2009 5:12 am UTC

you...uh...you should probably bold your vote Rakysh.
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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 2 - He must have died while carving

Postby michaelandjimi » Sat Apr 25, 2009 5:14 am UTC

Though the evidence that the Dark Lord has returned Brooklynxman is cult is fairly incontrovertible, I feel that he should still have his say. By my count there are 19 players left, which means 10 to lynch. So can we wait for him before we lynch?
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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 2 - He must have died while carving

Postby frogman » Sat Apr 25, 2009 5:17 am UTC

It seems fairly obvious that brooklynxman is cult. However I am willing to withhold my vote for now to let him get a word in, as MaJ suggests.
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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 2 - He must have died while carving

Postby Rakysh » Sat Apr 25, 2009 5:18 am UTC

Ahem, it appears I missed the wagon >.<

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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 2 - He must have died while carving

Postby b.i.o » Sat Apr 25, 2009 5:19 am UTC

Makes sense to me. Good catch une.

So at this point I'm guessing Bulvox is Tim the Enchanter. Seems the character most likely to be able to spy on the Aaaaaaargh-ers, and also perfectly capable of killing people. Probably town, if not, independent.

MaJ: I like that plan. Especially because he can ask someone a question before they die, and we may be able to convince him to ask something useful. Of course, he'll probably come up with something just to spite us.

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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 2 - He must have died while carving

Postby Bulvox » Sat Apr 25, 2009 5:22 am UTC

You know b.i.o., if you suspect someone of being a major pro-town power role, it's usually best to not reveal your suspicions. You know, on the off chance that no one else has figured it out.
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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 2 - He must have died while carving

Postby b.i.o » Sat Apr 25, 2009 5:36 am UTC

I like to operate under the assumption that the people I'm playing against are just as intelligent as I am. And it's not as though I'm making some huge logical leap here. You yourself stated you thought you'd be dead by tomorrow anyway. Given the current circumstances, I think that that's pretty likely.

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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 2 - He must have died while carving

Postby michaelandjimi » Sat Apr 25, 2009 5:51 am UTC

I don't think it was scummy of b.i.o., just silly. If he was scum he could just have told his buddies in the night, as it was fairly obvious that b.i.o. would survive until then.
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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 2 - He must have died while carving

Postby Bulvox » Sat Apr 25, 2009 5:54 am UTC

I'm not saying that what he did was scummy, what I'm saying is that if he hadn't said anything then I might have had a better chance of surviving the night. Now there is an almost guaranteed certainty that I will die tonight. Unless, of course, we have a doctor-type role. *hopes*
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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 2 - He must have died while carving

Postby mollusk » Sat Apr 25, 2009 6:01 am UTC

(To the tune of "The Galaxy Song" by Eric Idle)

It seems to me we all agree that Brook is cult, you see,
And as such it's up to us to see he dies.
The keeper of the bridge was so important to the plot,
I'm guessing he's the leader of those guys.

The last cult leader that we found wasn't lynched or burned or drowned,
But had to be dispatched by special skill.
I'd be wary ending day with so much left for us to say,
And until we know that we can make the kill.

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Shuffling right off of this mortal coil.
I'm willing to contend that he fought bravely to the end,
Without his underwear too badly soiled!
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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 2 - He must have died while carving

Postby Rakysh » Sat Apr 25, 2009 6:14 am UTC

Mullusk, you have a point. As such, I will semi role-claim- I have a daykill, and I'll use it on Brook once he has said his piece. That way we know if he is killable through normal means.

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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 2 - He must have died while carving

Postby peevo » Sat Apr 25, 2009 11:19 am UTC

Damnit....
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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 2 - He must have died while carving

Postby SuperTD » Sat Apr 25, 2009 12:34 pm UTC

Wow, this thing's gone quickly. I'm missing something, how do we know Brooklynx is scum? This game is so complicated, I haven't been following very well. I'm perfectly happy to vote for him if someone can explain things to me.
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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 2 - He must have died while carving

Postby Rakysh » Sat Apr 25, 2009 12:56 pm UTC

peevo wrote:Dammit....


First of all, fixed, second of all, damn what?

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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 2 - He must have died while carving

Postby Rakysh » Sat Apr 25, 2009 12:58 pm UTC

une see wrote:I'm starting to wonder how many anti-town factions there are...Kipper's death seemed like it was due to the regular mafia, but there are at least 2 other cults. The Knights of Ni, at least, should be gone, right? Since cf died.

Wait, I just noticed something. AS was the killer rabbit, and she killed people who tried to kill her cult-mates. Az tried to kill Brook last night, and was killed by a rabbit. Coincidence? I think not.

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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 2 - He must have died while carving

Postby Trumpkin » Sat Apr 25, 2009 1:02 pm UTC

I'm too impatient to wait for Brook's explanation.

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Also,

Investigate: Bulvox

I have no idea who to investigate so I picked Bulvox at random.
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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 2 - He must have died while carving

Postby Jar'O'Jam » Sat Apr 25, 2009 1:52 pm UTC

We don't want cultists wandering around cluelessly, do we? Who knows how many rabbits they have.
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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 2 - He must have died while carving

Postby une see » Sat Apr 25, 2009 4:22 pm UTC

Wait, everyone stop. Haven't you been paying attention at all? I actually think it's quite possible that mollusk is right and that Brook cannot be killed through normal means. And until we figure that out, I think a lot of us should unvote. I didn't want to start a bandwagon when I voted for him, I was just pointing out evidence that I thought was pretty damning against Brook. It's not like there's a time limit or anything. I would actually like us to discuss a lot more before we end the day.

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Postby Sir_Elderberry » Sat Apr 25, 2009 4:26 pm UTC

However, when we tried to kill the Knight who said Ni, we got a hint as to how to actually kill him. So it may still be worth it.
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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 2 - He must have died while carving

Postby b.i.o » Sat Apr 25, 2009 4:28 pm UTC

Let Brook talk. Bandwagoning on Day 2 when we have *so* much information is silly. We lose nothing by waiting a little while.

Also, Trumpkin, why are you investigating someone who's practically a confirmed townie?

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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 2 - He must have died while carving

Postby Rakysh » Sat Apr 25, 2009 4:30 pm UTC

That's why I suggested me trying to daykill him, and see what happens.

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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 2 - He must have died while carving

Postby une see » Sat Apr 25, 2009 4:35 pm UTC

b.i.o wrote:Let Brook talk. Bandwagoning on Day 2 when we have *so* much information is silly. We lose nothing by waiting a little while.

Also, Trumpkin, why are you investigating someone who's practically a confirmed townie?

Ugh...Trumpkin. Seriously. You didn't know who to pick?? Anyone but him...
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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 2 - He must have died while carving

Postby mollusk » Sat Apr 25, 2009 4:54 pm UTC

Brook is scum we know for certain,
Keeper of the evil trench.
Still his powers could be helpful
If he used them on the French.

Rakysh you should try to kill him.
His death would not make me frown,
Still if he should somehow survive,
Maybe he could help the town.
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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 2 - He must have died while carving

Postby Rakysh » Sat Apr 25, 2009 5:43 pm UTC

mollusk wrote:Rakysh you should try to kill him.
His death would not make me frown,
Still if he should somehow survive,
Maybe he could help the town.


Heh, you've been right about stuff before, but I will wait for him to speak his piece.

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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 2 - He must have died while carving

Postby mollusk » Sat Apr 25, 2009 5:50 pm UTC

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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 2 - He must have died while carving

Postby Trumpkin » Sat Apr 25, 2009 6:04 pm UTC

Interesting that there are claims that he's townie, my results say he's scum.
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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 2 - He must have died while carving

Postby b.i.o » Sat Apr 25, 2009 6:47 pm UTC

Results are private? Even if the daycop is public in the first place?

mollusk: the question here is more about motivation. It'd be nice if he were to decide to help the town, but I'm not sure why he'd do so.

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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 2 - He must have died while carving

Postby Trumpkin » Sat Apr 25, 2009 7:20 pm UTC

The result being private surprised me too but that's just how things go.
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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 2 - He must have died while carving

Postby mollusk » Sat Apr 25, 2009 10:29 pm UTC

I'm a minstrel and I'm OK,
I sleep all night and I sing all day!

I don't care for Trump's latest move,
I think it is a scam.
And looking back, it seems to me,
His townhood is a sham.

I'm a minstrel and I'm OK,
I sleep all night and I sing all day!

Trumpkin did speculate a bit,
About Kitsune's role.
He then shut up 'til CF's slip
And quick lynch was his goal

I'm a minstrel and I'm OK,
I sleep all night and I sing all day!

Now once again he wants to lynch,
Before Brook even talks.
I'm sure first thing tomorrow,
He'll quickly vote Bulvox.

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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 2 - He must have died while carving

Postby Brooklynxman » Sat Apr 25, 2009 10:31 pm UTC

I did legitimately intend to use my powers to help root out scum/other cult (at this point trying to hide it is pointless, also, I was the one who suggested peevo kill lan, sorry lan I had a weakness you could exploit if you figured it out (others would be weak against it too) and sorry peevo, how should i have known that would happen).

I am the last of my cult, and cannot recruit (not sure which one of the other two could). So yeah now I have to beat all 18 of you guys to win. Not seeming likely even with my strengths.

Also, I'm not sure who, but someone roleblocked me today, so for today you are safe from me.

Finally, seeing as my win condition is near unreachable and after you guys try the inevitable mass-dk and lynch on me to find it doesn't work, I would be willing to give hunting out scum/any other cult a shot (the knights of Ni started with one knight, right?). Regardless, I cannot recruit so I am not so dangerous to you guys anymore (note, if you doubt this, next person to be questioned by me ask me if I can recruit, I can't recruit).

But yes, I was going to use my powers to help the town, and try and use that as a cover to seem pro-town, or at worst indy. But serious props to whoever got King Arthuer last knight (and I suspect screwed the knights of the round table on their win condition), b/c I am glad to see I am not the only one who had his entire team get ass-raped in terms of possibly winning last night (again, if peevo was still alive, dammit, I had to tell him to kill lan didnt I, still, with lan dead I am safer alive).

Also Bulvox, until I question you you are safe.

Then you are a dead mother *bleep*, you role-outing ass-hat.
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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 2 - He must have died while carving

Postby Trumpkin » Sat Apr 25, 2009 11:16 pm UTC

Yeah Brook that was me. It was a random investigation although the roleblock was a mere side effect in me fulfilling my objectives.
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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 2 - He must have died while carving

Postby Brooklynxman » Sat Apr 25, 2009 11:24 pm UTC

Trumpkin wrote:Yeah Brook that was me. It was a random investigation although the roleblock was a mere side effect in me fulfilling my objectives.


Hmph. Alright.

Also, I won't be here tomorrow, and while in other games I have asked for the chance to defend myself on monday here, go ahead. I'd like to be around as I'd find it ammusing, but I don't really have much to defend myself, and its gonna happen anyway (unless you realize you can't kill me that way, or better, realize that waiting a day till someone can counter question me asking if lynching would kill me (I'd recommend that you ask about the recruiting first but thats just me)). Remember I can die from questions if I answer wrong/die. I wouldn't waste a lynch on me, but seeing as I am cult, and I wouldn't listen to me, go right ahead.

I am going to have fun tomorrow laughing my ass off at you. No offense.
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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 2 - He must have died while carving

Postby Brooklynxman » Sat Apr 25, 2009 11:25 pm UTC

Oh and I might as well post this bit of speculation:

I think the town is a minority. I think the majority of players are either independant or in a SMALL anti-town team (or alone against the town). As such I think all of these roles are going to duke it out.
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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 2 - He must have died while carving

Postby Vieto » Sat Apr 25, 2009 11:26 pm UTC

Trumpkin wrote:The result being private surprised me too but that's just how things go.


Oh, I was supposed to make them public? Sorry, I'm still new at the mod thing.

According to the cop, Bulvox is scum.

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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 2 - He must have died while carving

Postby une see » Sat Apr 25, 2009 11:38 pm UTC

Hmmm...well, this is an intriguing turn of events. I didn't see that one coming...I guess I shouldn't have assumed that Bulvox is town, since he would want to screw over the various cults if he is scum. Although mollusk doesn't trust the investigation, and I feel like he has a lot more information than the rest of us do. mollusk, do you have any specific reason you don't think the investigation is accurate, or was it just because Vieto hadn't yet posted the result publicly?

Because if Bulvox is scum, I think we should lynch him today instead of Brook. The more I think about it, the more I think Brook can't be lynched or daykilled. But that also seems really overpowered....At least with cf, there was "it" to kill him.
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