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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 2 - He must have died while carving

Postby luketheduke » Sat Apr 25, 2009 11:40 pm UTC

AGH screw you Vieto.

You are either screwing with Trumpkin majorly to make him look scummy, or Trumpkin is screwing with us masterfully with some weird power where he can make the mod announce something, which again would be you screwing with us, because you must have given him that power then.

I just proved that the mod is scum, right?

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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 2 - He must have died while carving

Postby Entropy » Sat Apr 25, 2009 11:43 pm UTC

Unvote Brooklynxman

There was a very specific question which killed the bridgekeeper in the movie. It might have that same power here.

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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 2 - He must have died while carving

Postby une see » Sat Apr 25, 2009 11:51 pm UTC

Hmmm...what question? I think we should try it then, if that's the case.
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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 2 - He must have died while carving

Postby Brooklynxman » Sat Apr 25, 2009 11:55 pm UTC

une see: there is a way to kill me (again ask em what it is if you really want to, but you are loading up on these gotta know questions specially with one a day)

Also:
Vote: Bulvox

*shrugs*

If a bandwagon starts, I want that on it, wont be here tomorrow, so it stays till monday or night, whichever comes first.

Ninja'd several times.

Fine. Yes, the way to kill me is a question. However the question from the movie one isn't a valid one (have been pming the mod many times for clarifications on exactly what questions are and arent legal. If I answer a question wrong/lie, I die. That is how I die. Happy now (Entropy I hate you, you just had to make me out and out say it didnt you)
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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 2 - He must have died while carving

Postby Entropy » Sun Apr 26, 2009 12:16 am UTC

une see wrote:Hmmm...what question? I think we should try it then, if that's the case.


Bulvox already did, though he did not ask it as a response to Brook's questions.

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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 2 - He must have died while carving

Postby cycoden » Sun Apr 26, 2009 12:21 am UTC

Vieto wrote:
Trumpkin wrote:The result being private surprised me too but that's just how things go.


Oh, I was supposed to make them public? Sorry, I'm still new at the mod thing.

According to the cop, Bulvox is scum.
You're the mod, so you can, of course, do it however you want.

FYI, this is the first game I've been in where that has occurred though.

Une, I think the question would be the from the script - either that or some question that forces BLM into a lie (or saying I don't know).

Spoiler:
ARTHUR: There it is! The Bridge of Death!
ROBIN: Oh, great.
KNIGHT: Look!
ARTHUR: There's the old man from Scene 24!
BEDEMIR: What is he doing here?
ARTHUR: He is the keeper of the Bridge of Death. He asks each
traveller five questions--
KNIGHT: Three questions.
ARTHUR: Three questions. He who answers the five questions--
KNIGHT: Three questions.
ARTHUR: Three questions may cross in safety.
ROBIN: What if you get a question wrong?
ARTHUR: Then you are cast into the Gorge of Eternal Peril.
[...]
KEEPER: Heh heh. Stop! What is your name?
ARTHUR: It is Arthur, King of the Britons.
KEEPER: What is your quest?
ARTHUR: To seek the Holy Grail.
KEEPER: What is the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow?
ARTHUR: What do you mean? An African or European swallow?
KEEPER: What? I don't know that! Auuuuuuuugh!

BEDEMIR: How do know so much about swallows?
ARTHUR: Well, you have to know these things when you're a king you know.

...i'm not entirely convinced as to the sanity of Trumpkin's investigation. Its all but certain that bulvox is Tim the Enchanter (he even hinted at it in his first post of the game), and it doesn't make canonical sense that Tim is anything other than pro-town:
Spoiler:
ARTHUR: Knights! Forward!
[boom boom boom boom BOOM boom boom boom boom]
What manner of man are you that can summon up fire without flint
or tinder?
TIM: I... am an enchanter.
ARTHUR: By what name are you known?
TIM:
Bulvox wrote:There are some who call me... Bulvox?

ARTHUR: Greetings, Tim the Enchanter.
TIM: Greetings, King Arthur!
ARTHUR: You know my name?
TIM: I do.
[...]
TIM: Yes, I can help you find the Holy Grail.
KNIGHTS: Oh, thank you.
TIM: To the north there lies a cave -- the cave of Kyre Banorg --
wherein, carved in mystic runes upon the very living rock, the last
words of Ulfin Bedweer of Regett [boom] proclaim the last resting
place of the most Holy Grail.
ARTHUR: Where could we find this cave, O Tim?
TIM: Follow! But! follow only if ye be men of valor, for the entrance
to this cave is guarded by a creature so foul, so cruel that no man
yet has fought with it and lived! Bones of four fifty men lie strewn
about its lair. So, brave knights, if you do doubt your courage or
your strength, come no further, for death awaits you all with nasty
big pointy teeth.


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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 2 - He must have died while carving

Postby Entropy » Sun Apr 26, 2009 12:22 am UTC

It seems perfectly reasonable to me that brook would be willing to help the various factions fight each other, as it would prolong his own survival. As a result, I am in favor of keeping him around for now. When we are done with him though, simply ask him "Which question, if asked, would result in your death?"

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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 2 - He must have died while carving

Postby mollusk » Sun Apr 26, 2009 12:31 am UTC

une see wrote:or was it just because Vieto hadn't yet posted the result publicly?


Yup (la la la).
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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 2 - He must have died while carving

Postby b.i.o » Sun Apr 26, 2009 12:32 am UTC

Vieto wrote:Oh, I was supposed to make them public? Sorry, I'm still new at the mod thing.

Generally, a daycop is either completely private (in which case someone PMs you to daycop and then the mod PMs back to answer), or completely public (the daycop is done in public and the answer comes back in public).

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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 2 - He must have died while carving

Postby luketheduke » Sun Apr 26, 2009 12:35 am UTC

Or you can make a public-announce-private-result daycop to make yourself look scummy, or you can post strange messages in bold and then play confused to make yourself look like the mod want to frame you.

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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 2 - He must have died while carving

Postby Vieto » Sun Apr 26, 2009 12:36 am UTC

Yah, I'm definately new to this modding thing.

From now on, this particular daycop is public.

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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 2 - He must have died while carving

Postby cycoden » Sun Apr 26, 2009 12:39 am UTC

Entropy wrote:It seems perfectly reasonable to me that brook would be willing to help the various factions fight each other, as it would prolong his own survival. As a result, I am in favor of keeping him around for now. When we are done with him though, simply ask him "Which question, if asked, would result in your death?"
Wouldn't the answer to that be "Any question to which I do not know the answer."?

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Vieto wrote:Oh, I was supposed to make them public? Sorry, I'm still new at the mod thing.

Generally, a daycop is either completely private (in which case someone PMs you to daycop and then the mod PMs back to answer), or completely public (the daycop is done in public and the answer comes back in public).
In games I have played previously, the answer has always been private, regardless of the method of requesting it. That doesn't mean its wrong here, of course.
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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 2 - He must have died while carving

Postby Vieto » Sun Apr 26, 2009 12:44 am UTC

cycoden wrote:
b.i.o wrote:
Vieto wrote:Oh, I was supposed to make them public? Sorry, I'm still new at the mod thing.

Generally, a daycop is either completely private (in which case someone PMs you to daycop and then the mod PMs back to answer), or completely public (the daycop is done in public and the answer comes back in public).
In games I have played previously, the answer has always been private, regardless of the method of requesting it. That doesn't mean its wrong here, of course.


Ok. I'll stick with my original policy then. Final Answer. 8)

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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 2 - He must have died while carving

Postby Entropy » Sun Apr 26, 2009 12:49 am UTC

cycoden wrote:
Entropy wrote:It seems perfectly reasonable to me that brook would be willing to help the various factions fight each other, as it would prolong his own survival. As a result, I am in favor of keeping him around for now. When we are done with him though, simply ask him "Which question, if asked, would result in your death?"
Wouldn't the answer to that be "Any question to which I do not know the answer."?


That's like asking "What is your name?" and getting an answer back of "That by which I am called." It is not an answer, it is a description of the answer.

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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 2 - He must have died while carving

Postby une see » Sun Apr 26, 2009 12:55 am UTC

So we're of the consensus that Trumpkin's investigation should not be trusted? Man, I should really watch the movie...

Also, Vieto: um...I don't think you should change your policy now that you already revealed one investigation publicly. That seems a little...bad.

luke: what are you talking about? I seriously have no idea.
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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 2 - He must have died while carving

Postby Vieto » Sun Apr 26, 2009 1:03 am UTC

une see wrote:Also, Vieto: um...I don't think you should change your policy now that you already revealed one investigation publicly. That seems a little...bad.


Actually, this one was the blooper. I've kept all other day-moves pmed. One accident shouldn't mean I should change my policy.

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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 2 - He must have died while carving

Postby Entropy » Sun Apr 26, 2009 1:09 am UTC

Une: Luke is talking about the fact that anyone can post something in bold. Like this:

Launch nuclear missile at Brooklynxman

Just the fact that is is bold makes the town think that it did something, when it very well may not have. Hence, a public daycop with private results would look the same to the town as someone fake-posting a daycop and then making up the results.

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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 2 - He must have died while carving

Postby Vieto » Sun Apr 26, 2009 1:14 am UTC

A missile was lauched, but it totally missed it's target.

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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 2 - He must have died while carving

Postby Vieto » Sun Apr 26, 2009 1:15 am UTC

ebwop: I was being silly. continue.

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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 2 - He must have died while carving

Postby une see » Sun Apr 26, 2009 1:22 am UTC

Oh...so you're saying we can't trust the mod? Cause Vieto pretty much admitted that Trumpkin did have an investigation.
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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 2 - He must have died while carving

Postby Entropy » Sun Apr 26, 2009 1:26 am UTC

Do we have any guarantee that the investigation was sane?

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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 2 - He must have died while carving

Postby une see » Sun Apr 26, 2009 1:46 am UTC

No, I was talking about the WIFOM thing that luke was talking about. I mean, I think it's pretty clear that there was an investigation. Whether it was sane or not remains to be seen.
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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 2 - He must have died while carving

Postby michaelandjimi » Sun Apr 26, 2009 2:48 am UTC

It may be completely obvious to everyone else, but can you please summarise the evidence for Brooklynxman being unlynchable, on top of his other powers?
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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 2 - He must have died while carving

Postby Vieto » Sun Apr 26, 2009 3:56 am UTC

wait-wait-wait! before Une-see unvoted, there were 8 votes on Brooklynxman, enough for a hammer!!!

The town tried to approach Brooklynxman, who they had confirmed as the keeper of the bridge, there was a fireball jumping out of the valley as his eye twitched. Everyone fled.

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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Night 2 - ... I got better.

Postby une see » Sun Apr 26, 2009 4:04 am UTC

Oh, that's really great...not.

Anyways, maj, uh...there's your answer. :P Unlynchable.
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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Night 2 - ... I got better.

Postby Rakysh » Sun Apr 26, 2009 5:58 am UTC

I'd imagine that question would have to be the counter question asked when he asks his questions. If we want to kill him.

I'm a bit pissed off now, because we just wasted ANOTHER lynch.

Ah well.

*sleeps on it*

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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Night 2 - ... I got better.

Postby Trumpkin » Sun Apr 26, 2009 6:39 pm UTC

I'll trust my awsome investigation powers.

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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Night 2 - ... I got better.

Postby luketheduke » Sun Apr 26, 2009 6:39 pm UTC

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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Night 2 - ... I got better.

Postby Trumpkin » Sun Apr 26, 2009 6:42 pm UTC

That is a very good point.

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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Night 2 - ... I got better.

Postby Trumpkin » Sun Apr 26, 2009 6:48 pm UTC

Of course I was unaware it was night because I read to the bottom of page 9 and thought that there were no more pages or more accurately I didn't think about there being more pages.
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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Night 2 - ... I got better.

Postby Sir_Elderberry » Sun Apr 26, 2009 7:09 pm UTC

Trumpkin wrote:Of course I was unaware it was night because I read to the bottom of page 9 and thought that there were no more pages or more accurately I didn't think about there being more pages.

That's exactly what a member of an insomniac-voter-cult would say!
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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Night 2 - ... I got better.

Postby Brooklynxman » Mon Apr 27, 2009 1:51 pm UTC

Told-ya-so.

Also, Entropy, whoever said "A questionto which I dont know the answer" was correct. I won't go into an exact explanation as to why (dont wanna die) but if asked, will answer, then explain. Trust me, it is THE MOST CORRECT answer possible.
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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Night 2 - ... I got better.

Postby Bulvox » Mon Apr 27, 2009 8:10 pm UTC

quick, someone come up with a script to get the rainbow effect on letters and then input it in with the word "Intermission". Or was it "Interlude"?
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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Night 2 - ... I got better.

Postby mollusk » Mon Apr 27, 2009 8:12 pm UTC

Bulvox wrote:quick, someone come up with a script to get the rainbow effect on letters and then input it in with the word "Intermission". Or was it "Interlude"?


If someone does this, I vote that they automatically win. Don't forget the peppy organ music.

(it was "Intermission")
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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Night 2 - ... I got better.

Postby Vieto » Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:43 pm UTC

The night was rather quite, though at dawn a catapult was heard in the distance, a cow was briefly seen over the tree line and then a loud 'crunch' sound was heard. This was immediately followed by a shout from Luketheduke, who professed not a cry of pain, but instead, remarked 'it's only a flesh wound'. Hence, he is still alive, with the exception of one of his arms.

Day 3!

Luketheduke is not dead, and only has a 'flesh wound' (-1 lives)

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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 3 - Intermisson

Postby luketheduke » Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:06 am UTC

*takes sword into the other hand*
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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 3 - Intermisson

Postby frogman » Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:36 am UTC

Daycop: Trumpkin
yeah yeah yeah

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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 3 - Intermisson

Postby une see » Tue Apr 28, 2009 2:32 am UTC

I would like to bring up something that I forgot about yesterday, since it was so crazy. Rakysh made a comment on Day 1 that I found extremely suspicious, and his behavior has not gotten any less so in my opinion.
une see wrote:
Rakysh wrote:Seems fair- and I just realised that that question will have been picked up by many of you as a scumtell. Well, it wasn't. I've realised that was a rookie mistake, but you are all just going to have to accept that that was all it was.

Is this another newbie mistake? Because I'm getting major scum vibes from this. "So you might think what I just said was scummy. But it wasn't. Because I'm not scum, obviously. I'm just new! And if you don't believe me, well...you're wrong. And you should believe me. Because I'm not scum." I don't know if it was just the wording or what, but that statement seemed terribly over-defensive to me.

The initial comment that made me suspect Rakysh of being scum. Now that I'm going back through his post history, I've found lots of other stuff that I overlooked previously, but that are very suspicious to me.
Rakysh wrote:In that case, Bulvox was not trying to kill me, so

Unvote: Bulvox

That role seems REALLY powerful- Can you also ask them who the other scum are if we find a scum? Because in that case, it might be worth not lynching a mafia/cultist just so we can get more info from them. Although, in that case, the scum would probably lie and take the hit for the team... maybe not so overpowered after all.

*shakes fist at the mod*

You know, maybe you could have kept that a secret, and asked mafia who wouldn't know that lying would kill them. Ah well... hindsight is 20/20.

Here, Rakysh suggests keeping mafia alive instead of lynching them...In context, I guess the question kind of made sense, but it still makes me suspicious of him.
Rakysh wrote:Ah. So looking even less powerful :(.

Still, that makes me worried about the interesting pro- mafia roles the mod will have cooked up :(

I am wondering slightly about your pro-townishness- not because of anything you said, but because I'm a cynical bastard and you being a mafia pretending to be a townie is to scary to contemplate, I recommend any townie questioned counter questions Brooklyns alignment. You'll also be a target for conversion, so yeah.

Expresses worry over possible pro-mafia roles--this seems very fake to me. Common role tell is to keep mentioning your role. Rakysh sure mentions the mafia a lot...And although Rakysh was actually right about Brook not being pro-town, I don't think this comment was necessarily for the good of the town. He probably realized that Brook could fuck over the mafia very easily, so tried to sow suspicion against someone who could hurt his team.
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Overly enthusiastic about "catching all the mafioso." Another scum tell.
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Vote: CF


With all the hints, I think this is only the first of the cults.

The cult of the french, perhaps? *shiver*

Suggests that the French might be a cult, although I think it's pretty obvious that the French are the mafia in this game. Again, mentioning the mafia.
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Vote: Brooklynxman

Bandwagons on Brook, who was clear anti-town, but not mafia. Convenient, eh?
Rakysh wrote:I'd imagine that question would have to be the counter question asked when he asks his questions. If we want to kill him.

I'm a bit pissed off now, because we just wasted ANOTHER lynch.

Ah well.

*sleeps on it*

Again, his pissed off-ness seems forced. He seems almost gleeful that we did waste another lynch. Also, he said he had a daykill that he was going to use on Brook to see if he could be killed through regular means. But he never did use it...All in all, I think there are so many signs that Rakysh is mafia that if we don't lynch him today, town will be missing a huge opportunity.

Now, I'm going to vote Rakysh because I really really think he's mafia. But don't all just bandwagon like yesterday. I just wanted to get this out before I forget about it again.

Vote: Rakysh
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Lilacs out of the dead land, mixing
Memory and desire, stirring
Dull roots with spring rain.

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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 3 - Intermisson

Postby une see » Tue Apr 28, 2009 2:36 am UTC

Oh, and everyone who bandwagoned so insanely yesterday: that was not pro-town behavior at all. Don't repeat it in this game anymore, please. I suspect that there will indeed be other mafia among you, but we'll see.
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Lilacs out of the dead land, mixing
Memory and desire, stirring
Dull roots with spring rain.

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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 3 - Intermisson

Postby frogman » Tue Apr 28, 2009 2:53 am UTC

BTW, the Trumpkin day-cop came up scum.
yeah yeah yeah


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