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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 3 - Intermisson

Postby Jar'O'Jam » Wed Apr 29, 2009 8:14 pm UTC

Brooklynxman wrote:and I didnt waste the questions as I was roleblocked.

If you were 100% sure that you were roleblocked, why did you even bother ?
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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 3 - Intermisson

Postby luketheduke » Wed Apr 29, 2009 8:15 pm UTC

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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 3 - Intermisson

Postby mollusk » Wed Apr 29, 2009 8:21 pm UTC

Now I believe you (Too ra loo ra too ra loo rye ayy)
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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 3 - Intermisson

Postby une see » Wed Apr 29, 2009 9:38 pm UTC

Uh...I'm pretty sure getting rid of cults should be a priority for us because they can usually recruit, and scum usually can't. If we know for sure who a cult leader is, why wouldn't we want to get rid of him? And what the hell, Bulvox...what was the purpose of killing MAJ like that? How do you even know that there are 5 scum? I don't think there would be that many scum in a game with so many freaking cults. And I don't see how listening powers helped you narrow the list of scum down to those people, anyway...I also don't like how Entropy just blindly followed your vote...You may be pro-town, but you're not being very helpful right now. We've lost 3 pro-town players today already, and none of those deaths had to happen.

I'm still suspicious of Silknor for his terrible logic regarding the daycops.

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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 3 - Intermisson

Postby Sir_Elderberry » Wed Apr 29, 2009 9:41 pm UTC

So wait. Some people are voting for une see. Some people are voting for SuperTD. Maybe we should get this sorted out...

Alright, I have a standing vote for SuperTD. I'm leaving it for now, and here's why: SuperTD is cult. We know that, right? In particular, it's quite possibly a recruiting cult.

Une see has suspicion on him mainly from what, Bulvox's list? I'm on that list too, of course. I won't comment as to its validity, as I don't think anyone would really buy anything I had to say about it because of that. But the list, Bulvox says, contains some who aren't scum as well as some who are. So we've got a list itself of unconfirmed validity, and then we know we're taking another shot in the dark within that set of people. Une see may be scum, maybe not. If Bulvox is telling the truth and/or right, it's actually a decent probability compared to picking at random. But we've got a 100% chance right there.
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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 3 - Intermisson

Postby Vieto » Wed Apr 29, 2009 9:52 pm UTC

8 to lynch
Supertd - 4 (mpolo, Une see, brooklynxman, Bio)
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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 3 - Intermisson

Postby Sir_Elderberry » Wed Apr 29, 2009 10:00 pm UTC

I have a vote on the last page, but just to save you the trouble Vieto:

Vote: SuperTD
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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 3 - Intermisson

Postby Vieto » Wed Apr 29, 2009 10:02 pm UTC

8 to lynch
Supertd - 5 (mpolo, Une see, brooklynxman, Bio, Sir Elderberry)
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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 3 - Intermisson

Postby Brooklynxman » Wed Apr 29, 2009 10:04 pm UTC

Just pointing out the game will never end until I am dead.

That is awesome.
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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 3 - Intermisson

Postby une see » Wed Apr 29, 2009 10:04 pm UTC

Not only is SuperTD cult, but he's the cult leader-aka, the recruiter if there is one. That, for me, is the clincher. (Also, I'm a girl, Elderberry)

And re: Bulvox's list: I'm not going to trust it at all until he explains how he got those names and how he knows there are 5 scum. I think 5 scum is way too overpowered for a game with so many anti-town groups already, and the list just perplexes me. But for today, no matter what, I think we should lynch SuperTD, in order to stop a possible recruitment tonight.
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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 3 - Intermisson

Postby Sir_Elderberry » Wed Apr 29, 2009 10:07 pm UTC

Oops. Sorry, une see.
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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 3 - Intermisson

Postby frogman » Thu Apr 30, 2009 1:16 am UTC

From what I've seen, it's better to lynch cults early than scum.

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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 3 - Intermisson

Postby mpolo » Thu Apr 30, 2009 8:41 am UTC

I think that Vieto missed mollusk's vote on the last page (it is bolded, but not on a line by itself).

Vieto: Can you verify whether mollusk's vote on the last page counted? I think there are currently 7 votes on SuperTD (mpolo, une see, Sir_Elderberry, brooklynxman, frogman, b.i.o., mollusk) and 2 on une see (Bulvox, Entropy).
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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 3 - Intermisson

Postby Vieto » Thu Apr 30, 2009 10:54 am UTC

8 to lynch
Supertd - 7 (mpolo, Une see, brooklynxman, Bio, Sir Elderberry, Frogman, Mollusk)
Une - 2 (Bulvox, Entropy)

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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 3 - Intermisson

Postby cycoden » Thu Apr 30, 2009 12:58 pm UTC

Wow. Today has been eventful. Apologies for not participating much lately - I've been mad busy.

...I would have been totally sold on Une's analysis of Rakysh.

Silknor wrote:The implication is that if Trumpkin is innocent, there's a good chance you're scum and lying about the result.

As I said earlier, it's possible you've been conned and your result is false. But I see this as less likely than you're lying (if Trumpkin is innocent). I don't have much evidence for this, it's just a hunch. I still think that Trumpkin probably IS scum, but if he's not my gut says you are. If you got a paranoid day cop, or insane, or random, or whatever, then really this whole thing provides no evidence either way about your alignment (since it seems to be accepted that there are multiple anti-town factions, the most we could say with much certainty is you aren't the same anti-town faction as Trumpkin if he is scum, and if he isn't, then there's really no evidence about your alignment if you got a wrong result. But if you lied it clearly points to scum.

So IF trumpkin is innocent (not likely in my view) and IF you lied, you're scum. IF he's innocent and you were lied to, then we don't know really. But my guess was if Trumpkin is innocent, you're lying. But that's a hunch. There's much more evidence for the view that Trumpkin is scum, I'm simply writing about what conclusion we should draw if Trumpkin is revealed innocent.
I get the sense that you knew that Trumpkin was innocent when you posted this, and was getting ready to railroad frogman when (surprise) Trumpkin was shown to be innocent.

Hmm. Right now, bulvox is the only person I am reasonably trusting of. I can see Une See being scum (mostly because she's damn good at it). But I really can't fault the logic of taking out a cult leader.

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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 3 - Intermisson

Postby mollusk » Thu Apr 30, 2009 3:20 pm UTC

Vote: SuperTD

(Just so it's official)
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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 3 - Intermisson

Postby mollusk » Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:50 pm UTC

Entropy, Bulvox and now Silknor
Have been PM'ing each other at night.
Entropy contacted me on night one,
Claiming that he was a knight.

"We can be masons," he said with a grin,
"And talk about important matters.
I'll investigate so we know who to let in,
Unless my sanity shatters."

"I'm crazy!" Said he, as night two fell,
"But I'm sure we can trust Bulvox.
I'd investigate more, but that seems such a bore,
And I'm up to my ears in roleblocks."

And just last night by the dim starlight,
'Tropy whispered into my ear.
"I've been recruited by the Round Table knights!
Now we've nothing to fear!"

"If you are a knight," I wanted to ask,
"Isn't their group something you'd remember?"
But I waited a bit, and he says with a rasp,
"Silknor is the last living member!"

Alarm bells ringed, and my scumdar pinged,
But I wanted to see what they'd say.
It sure wasn't easy to turn on you three,
But I've decided to do it today.

I'm sorry if I've just given away,
Three decent respectable folks.
But you've lied to me, and that's reason enough
For me to think it's all a hoax.
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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 3 - Intermisson

Postby Brooklynxman » Thu Apr 30, 2009 5:03 pm UTC

Oh dear

Adds to mollusks's post "With all due respect to my former associates, you should have killed me when you had the chance"
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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 3 - Intermisson

Postby Entropy » Thu Apr 30, 2009 5:23 pm UTC

...well, so much for the masons. That was cold, mollusk.

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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 3 - Intermisson

Postby Bulvox » Thu Apr 30, 2009 5:31 pm UTC

Ya hear that? It's the sound of the rest of us being left out to dry.
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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 3 - Intermisson

Postby Silknor » Thu Apr 30, 2009 7:13 pm UTC

What an interesting (k)night this will be. Go ahead, lynch me for that, I dare you!

I have no choice now but to roleclaim, I am a Knight Of the Round Table. I won't say which one, since there are more than Entropy told you and I want the scum guessing which one of us to roleblock. Thankfully we have more than 2 members so it's basically a coinflip as to if they managed to block our recruitment. It's a good thing Entropy told you I'm the last knight (besides him) since otherwise you'd have just doomed the town. I asked him to keep the identity of the last one a secret and he did.

Mollusk, you are either lying through your teeth (I hope not, since I'm almost certain your town thanks to the investigations of a fallen knight) or badly badly interpreting. Everything (except that I'm the last remaining knight besides him) Entropy told you is true.

If this knight however dies upon this night, then you'll know deep within that you've done great wrong with your deathly song. And maybe, just maybe, you'll see Entropy is Cassandra. Warning: Disbelieve at your own risk, mollusk!
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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 3 - Intermisson

Postby Vieto » Thu Apr 30, 2009 7:39 pm UTC

SuperTD was lynched

He was Zoot, leader of the castle of Anthrax. All members of that cult are now town.

Night 3

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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 4 - Alright we'll call it a draw.

Postby Silknor » Thu Apr 30, 2009 8:03 pm UTC

Just to avoid confusion, the title says Day 4 instead of Night 3.
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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Night 3 - Alright we'll call it a draw.

Postby Vieto » Thu Apr 30, 2009 8:04 pm UTC

*whistles innocently*

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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Night 3 - Alright we'll call it a draw.

Postby Brooklynxman » Thu Apr 30, 2009 9:25 pm UTC

Its day 4 in my book. I NOW HAVE QUESTIONS (and of course I shall now be roleblocked)
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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Night 3 - Alright we'll call it a draw.

Postby Vieto » Fri May 01, 2009 7:45 pm UTC

Mafia moves due sunday.

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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Night 3 - Alright we'll call it a draw.

Postby Brooklynxman » Fri May 01, 2009 7:56 pm UTC

Vieto wrote:Mafia moves due sundayNAO I BE IMPATIENT.
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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Night 3 - Alright we'll call it a draw.

Postby Vieto » Sun May 03, 2009 7:45 pm UTC

As the rooster crowed, a giant, wooden badger was fired from the French Citadel. As a result, it landed on Tim the Enchanter. There are some who call him... Bulvox. Bulvox has been badgered out.

Bulvox is dead. He was Tim the Enchanter, town. Each night, he randomly heard 1 pm, with the roles of the people involved. He also had a daykill.

Day 4 - potential Lylo

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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 4 - One, two, five!

Postby b.i.o » Sun May 03, 2009 7:54 pm UTC

Well, no surprise there on the role/alignment.

Potential LyLo seems to indicate to me that we should avoid using daykills unless we're very certain about our targets.

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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 4 - One, two, five!

Postby Vieto » Sun May 03, 2009 7:57 pm UTC

Also, you don't have to include me in you're pm's anymore, but it would be nice if you did.

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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 4 - One, two, five!

Postby luketheduke » Sun May 03, 2009 8:08 pm UTC

b.i.o wrote:Potential LyLo seems to indicate to me that we should avoid using daykills unless we're very certain about our targets.

I was just about to offer my daykill services. So yeah, if we're really certain about our targets...
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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 4 - One, two, five!

Postby Vieto » Sun May 03, 2009 8:23 pm UTC

Oh, I forgot to mention: Une See has met a victory condition and is technically the winner. The game is for 2nd place now.

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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 4 - One, two, five!

Postby une see » Sun May 03, 2009 10:59 pm UTC

Vieto wrote:Oh, I forgot to mention: Une See has met a victory condition and is technically the winner. The game is for 2nd place now.

Awesome. Well, I suppose now would be a good time to roleclaim. I started out as Dennis (pro-town); my power was that I could not be lynched. I was recruited by Zoot Night 2, and my only goal was to get him killed somehow (I didn't know who he was though). So imagine my surprise (and happiness!) yesterday when SuperTD was revealed as Zoot. And since he died, I fulfilled my win condition, and I'm now Dennis and pro-town again. There were no other Zoot Recruits, by the way.
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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 4 - One, two, five!

Postby Silknor » Mon May 04, 2009 1:58 am UTC

So, we have a potential lynch or lose here. We don't want to rush into anything.

Bulvox's death proves Mollusk is wrong. He believed Bulvox to be scum. It also provides a preponderance of evidence that Entropy and I are town. Here's why:
1. Bulvox had because of his role, a large amount of alignment information. He choose to join our group and stick with us when Mollusk tried to sell us out. If he had any reason to think us scum he could easily have tried to distance himself from us when Mollusk made his last post.
2. It's completely consistent with my last important post yesterday (not the urgent post about the title, but the one before that where I reveal I'm a Knight/Mason). Bulvox was town like I said and not as Mollusk said scum. That alone should give serious reason to doubt everything Mollusk said in that post.

Does this mean we should kill Mollusk? I believe the answer is no. Here's what we know about him:
1. Started out pro-town almost certainly by virtue of his role.
2. Investigation night one by a Knight said town. We know this investigation is trustworthy first because when the Knight joined the Round Table, Vieto told him the sanity of his investigations, and second because he was told the same alignment for Bulvox as Mollusk.
3. On day 3 unleashes a vicious attack against three townies. He at the very least should have know that Bulvox was town, that was pretty much determined early on.

So we have two possibilites:
1. Mollusk is a misguided townie who does fear God and would bow down to King Arthur if he ever met him. He combined some poorly based suspicions of me with a bad interpretation of what Entropy told him and thus accused all 3 of us.
2. An obvious townie at start gets recruited by a cult in order to spread lies, escargot, or sexual promiscuity.

I'm inclined to think it's the first and that Mollusk made an honest mistake. I hope today he will realize the errors of his ways and embrace the path of light. If he does not, we may be forced to unleash swift justice by the sharpest of swords recruiting him.

In other news:
I'm pleased to announce that we have inducted a new member into the Knights of the Round Table, thus foiling any roleblocker who may have attempted to bar us from doing so. I will keep the identity of this new knight secret for obvious reasons: I don't want there to be any possibility of the Knights taking as heavy a blow as they did night 1, and because an accusation against this new knight gives us much information.

If we can trust Une See's roleclaim, then we have a large number of confirmed townies in this field of 12. Given the mod's announcement, it seems plausible. If it's false it's a very well crafted story.

I intend to present evidence against Cycoden as well, but will save that for another post.

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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 4 - One, two, five!

Postby Silknor » Mon May 04, 2009 2:13 am UTC

You know what? I still suspect cycoden after reading all of his posts (basically nothing since day 1). I don't have an investigation on him, but he's still a prime suspect of mine right now. He's also on Bulvox's suspicion list.

Really given how many I know are town, and the potential lynch or lose, indicates to me that the majority of the not-known-to-be-townie-to-the-knight-group is scum. Quite possibly a supermajority.

Maybe I'm not quite ready to go for Cycoden yet. I find him to have been thus far lurking and unhelpful. Some of it is probably OMGUS, but a good deal is intuition about it.

I believe though that Cycoden is probably a good target and certainly a legitimate one for discussion. I'll remain open to other ideas on lynching (ok that's a lie, I'm rarely open to the idea of lynching myself, I haven't been jester in foreeeeeeever).

I'm interested now mostly in what Mollusk has to say about his speech yesterday and in any other suspicions we have. Discussing those suspicions is probably the best avenue for the town to take.
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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 4 - One, two, five!

Postby Entropy » Mon May 04, 2009 2:21 am UTC

Mollusk has not been online since April 30th, so I'm not sure how long it will be before we get a response.

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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 4 - One, two, five!

Postby mpolo » Mon May 04, 2009 8:06 am UTC

With May 1 being a holiday in much of the world, maybe mollusk took advantage of the long weekend to get away from his computer for a while...

Une see's explanation is hmm... unusual. Of course, we're in Monty Python Mafia, so unusual is usual, and so her story may be true. My concern is that a cult that exists to recruit members that want to kill the head of the cult isn't much of a cult. Although perhaps that is a mercy for us from the moderator, since indeed three cults that work like traditional cults would be really, really bad for the town. Her explanation also fits with the description that all cult members got immediately deculted after Zoot's death. So, I have some doubts, but I guess I'm tending to believe une see after thinking it through.

Whether Dennis is logical as a townie is another question -- he certainly wasn't pro-Arthur in the film. Dennis might well be an independent of some sort.
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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 4 - One, two, five!

Postby cycoden » Mon May 04, 2009 1:15 pm UTC

Silknor wrote:If he does not, we may be forced to unleash swift justice by the sharpest of swords recruiting him.
Umm. Isn't mollusk already a member of your group?
mollusk wrote:Entropy, Bulvox and now Silknor
Have been PM'ing each other at night.
Entropy contacted me on night one,
Claiming that he was a knight.

"We can be masons," he said with a grin,
"And talk about important matters.
I'll investigate so we know who to let in,
Unless my sanity shatters."

Otherwise, how does he know who is in it? Could you explain this please?

Silknor wrote:You know what? I still suspect cycoden after reading all of his posts (basically nothing since day 1). I don't have an investigation on him, but he's still a prime suspect of mine right now.
(my emphasis) I strongly disagree. And a curious argument, coming from someone who didn't post at all on Day 2.
Here is my posting pattern (all dates are Australian), prior to the start of Day 4:
22 April: 5 posts
25 April: 1 post
26 April: 2 posts
30 April: 1 post.
Total: Nine posts

Lets compare and contrast with Silknor's posting pattern prior to the start of Day 4:
21 April: 2 posts
28 April: 3 posts
30 April: 1 post
1 May: 1 post
Total: Seven posts

Silknor wrote:Maybe I'm not quite ready to go for Cycoden yet. I find him to have been thus far lurking and unhelpful. Some of it is probably OMGUS, but a good deal is intuition about it.
Before Day 4, your sole useful contribution to the thread seems to be suggesting that trumpkin was highly likely to be scum. However, I concede that my Day 2 and Day 3 posts haven't been as insightful as I'd normally like them to be (I've been busy). I'd still argue that my contributions to the thread have been more helpful than yours.

Silknor wrote:I believe though that Cycoden is probably a good target and certainly a legitimate one for discussion. I'll remain open to other ideas on lynching (ok that's a lie, I'm rarely open to the idea of lynching myself, I haven't been jester in foreeeeeeever).
"Is probably a good target". Hmmm. Target for your catapult, perhaps?

Silknor wrote:I'm interested now mostly in what Mollusk has to say about his speech yesterday and in any other suspicions we have. Discussing those suspicions is probably the best avenue for the town to take.
I agree with you here. I'd like to hear from mollusk too. Perhaps not all those recruited to the KotRT share our English heritage?

mpolo wrote:Whether Dennis is logical as a townie is another question -- he certainly wasn't pro-Arthur in the film. Dennis might well be an independent of some sort.
Hmm. I would have thought the logical win condition for Dennis would be the death of King Arthur. But I can't see any reason to doubt Une See's version.
VectorZero wrote:SEXUAL INTERCOURSE DISGUSTS ME!
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Bulvox wrote:This is probably one of the few times that I'll agree with Cycoden on anything. I just wish that my brain worked like that.

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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 4 - One, two, five!

Postby b.i.o » Mon May 04, 2009 1:20 pm UTC

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Silknor wrote:If he does not, we may be forced to unleash swift justice by the sharpest of swords recruiting him.
Umm. Isn't mollusk already a member of your group?

The way I read it (and I could be very wrong here) is that he's a member of one group but not of another. Or something.

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Re: Monty Python Mafia!: Day 4 - One, two, five!

Postby Entropy » Mon May 04, 2009 1:38 pm UTC

Since anyone could talk at night, I planned to recruit my own group of psuedo masons by investigating and then contacting at night, which resulted in me contacting both mollusk and bulvox. After that I got involved with the round table folk, and mollusk decided to out everyone he knew about. The group I started was entirely my own idea, the round table was something completely different.


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