[TM] Secret (Ubik) Mafia - APLHA - GAME OVER - Scum win!

[Mavketl]

(I'm not counting the mind-control thing because it will apparently backfire big time if used in BETA.)

Really? How has it backfired at all?

By leaving the person who knows the culprit alive. The theory is that FOAT thought they could kill you with the cyanide, thereby preventing you from accusing them. If this is what has happened, it has backfired rather extremely.

My point, admittedly badly made, is that he seems to be getting away with it just fine.

I would actually like to revisit Van's earlier suggestion: can we please 'resurrect' ForAllOfThis to this side so we can finally kill him? At least if the resurrection of a townie lynch target doesn't work?

Working under the assumption here that nobody in BETA except for maybe e_e seems to be willing to lynch him, of course. Maybe that will change.

[greenlover]

greenlover: Can you give us more details on what the "I can block mages" part of your power is? Anything we can learn about the nature of the roleblocking powers in this game would be useful.

I have the ability to roleblock players, but only if they are a mage. I assume this means that I cannot block doctors, Scanner Specialists, or other antimages. However, it does mean that I can block the rogue mage (I am currently testing a theory on this point, which is why I don't wish to reveal my targets for today or the last two days. If all goes as I hope, I should be able to make a suggestion as to who we should lynch D4.)

If the town wants me too, I can reveal the other primary aspect of my role. However, I believe doing this would help scum more than town.

[greenlover]

EBWOP: Does anyone have any idea what "I love Big Brother!" means?

Also: I will be gone from Wednesday afternoon until late Thursday night, most likely without any internet connection.

[Elvish Pillager]

VZ voted for FOAT on D2. I think only FOAT and myself were seriously against a FOAT lynch, so it seems likely that they'll lynch FOAT today.

No matter what they do, there are only four players left in that thread, and presumably no way for them to block/reverse a lynch or replenish their numbers. No one there can possibly stay for more than four days.

The resu-lynch idea is a clever one, but we don't know that resurrecting FOAT would make them dead in Beta - it might just make them alive in both threads, which would be rather bad.

greenlover: Do you know what happens if you target a non-mage? (Are you told whether your target is a mage or not?) If you target a mage, do you know if the blocking disables all their powers, or just their magical ones?

[mpolo]

Working under the assumption here that nobody in BETA except for maybe e_e seems to be willing to lynch him, of course. Maybe that will change.

This is presumably testable, as Van says she can read both threads legally.

[Lataro]

so, I just remembered, I also started hallucinating D2, and it appears to be getting worse as I got another message telling me I am losing my grip on reality. Any idea how the rest of you cleared that up?

[Mavketl]

I haven't cleared that up.

As soon as the mod allows me to contact BETA I will urgently plea for anyone to freeze some of us if they can - I'm afraid we're expiring for realz here. Any other ideas are most welcome.

[weiyaoli]

I'm afraid that I also recieved the message and it seems to be hinting that I am dying.

@EP
Since Dr Ug was not scum, it means I definitely blocked the kill yesterday on Mav. Therefore I think FOAT is definitely scum at this point.

Although the res and then lynch idea is a good one, I'm afraid of it failing since mine on you failed D1.

[mpolo]

so, I just remembered, I also started hallucinating D2, and it appears to be getting worse as I got another message telling me I am losing my grip on reality. Any idea how the rest of you cleared that up?

According to those with access to BETA, I was frozen. Presumably that is what saved me. Mine got better between Saturday and Sunday at about 18:00 (GMT) (i.e. The first message came at about 18:00 on Saturday, and the "you're cured" came almost exactly a day later.) Maybe Van could check the timing on when I was frozen to see if that fits.

[greenlover]

so, I just remembered, I also started hallucinating D2, and it appears to be getting worse as I got another message telling me I am losing my grip on reality. Any idea how the rest of you cleared that up?

Well, here is another thing I have never experienced. That means every abnormality so far hasn't touched me. Dang, I feel left out.

[Elvish Pillager]

As soon as the mod allows me to contact BETA I will urgently plea for anyone to freeze some of us if they can - I'm afraid we're expiring for realz here. Any other ideas are most welcome.

Who are you going to ask them to freeze? Are any of us confirmed town? Lots of us have confirmed powers, but does any of us have confirmed alignment? mpolo is the only player who is confirmed town in my eyes, because of the uncountered Scanner Specialist claim. Any of the rest could be honestly claiming their powers as scum.

I don't feel like we're playing a game of Mafia. I feel like we're playing a game of Figure Out What The Hell Is Going On. As far as I can tell, the flavor has contradicted itself, and the abilities we've seen have been unpredictable and inconsistent.

@EP
Since Dr Ug was not scum, it means I definitely blocked the kill yesterday on Mav. Therefore I think FOAT is definitely scum at this point.

What exactly makes you so definite about that? All the claims so far have been fairly non-standard. Why would you assume a daily kill? Why would you assume, even if there is a daily kill, that it wasn't withheld or roleblocked yesterday?

Although the res and then lynch idea is a good one, I'm afraid of it failing since mine on you failed D1.

My D2 res on you claimed to work except for the "actions reversed"-flavored blocking, so I'm pretty sure that we can resurrect cross-thread. I don't know what happens if we succeed, though.

[Elvish Pillager]

EBWOP: weiyaoli: and can I assume, by the fact that you've posted without saying otherwise, that you do indeed have a two-shot cryo-stasis ability, and are thus confirming my power-claim?

[weiyaoli]

EBWOP: weiyaoli: and can I assume, by the fact that you've posted without saying otherwise, that you do indeed have a two-shot cryo-stasis ability, and are thus confirming my power-claim?

Yes.

I thought I did include that but I guess I must have taken it out with the cryo dr ug when I saw Mav had already done so.

[Elvish Pillager]

Right now, we celebrate the 24-hour anniversary (horiversary?) of the last mod post. There's currently one mod question and two actions waiting, plus a request for votals (which I really don't understand because there's only one vote on anyone, but whatever). Also, mpolo needs their result on Van. (I don't mean to give the mod a checklist here but I am hoping to hear results on all of those things before I have to decide how to use my power today.)

Lataro, I'd suggest you submit cryo-stasis actions for Dr Ug and jayhsu in the event that Mavketl's actions fail, so we don't risk a delay.

[Lataro]

Stasis: Dr Ug
Stasis: Jay

This game is just downright confusing, I'm having crazy ideas.

[Aardvarki]

Third: Oh crap, Van, do you really think the corpses rotting in Beta automatically kills the players in Alpha? I guess it makes sense... IIRC, Aardvarki said in Beta that anyone "completely dead" is entirely out of the game in both threads -

Mod: Is that a correct description?

Yes, "Completely Dead" means "out of the game".

Votal:
Greenlover (1): Elvish Pillager

Dr Ug and Jayhsu have been put into stasis. They are both "completely dead".

[mpolo]

Van's scan came out with magic powers.

I don't have a lot of time here right now, so I'll come back to this later.

[Mavketl]

Dr Ug and Jayhsu have been put into stasis. They are both "completely dead".

By whom?

(I'm not looking for credits, I just want to know if anyone got roleblocked.)

[Aardvarki]

Mavketl successfully froze both of them.

Also, ForAllOfThis has been brought back to life.

[Mavketl]

Well hello there, ForAllOfThis.

What just happened?

(I'm tempted to vote right away, but I'll be good and save it for after explanations.)

[mpolo]

The arrival of ForAllOfThis makes us very likely to lynch him, due to the things we have been told about him. I would like to hear from him before it goes that far. (I must admit that it is a relief to be able to wait on making monumental analyses, as I am headed out to a pre-Christmas party, and have some stuff to take care of before I go.)

[Elvish Pillager]

I did not resurrect FOAT.

It would also be nice for Van to tell us what's happened in the other thread. Is FOAT dead over there? If so, did FOAT get killed by something in that thread, or just spontaneously die?

mpolo, is "Van has magic powers" really all you got from the scan?

With the lynch victims being completely dead, I guess we can't do a lynch-check-resurrect thing. Given that the obvious use for my power is gone, I may or may not have just submitted protection for mpolo or some other player.

[ForAllOfThis]

I got forced to take a cyanide capsule. I got a message from the mod telling me I could post no other information other than:

Eat: Cyanide Capsule

and I was told that VectorZero had targetted me with dark magic.

The information I could gather before I left was that most people left are planning to cyanide pill themselves over here but if we're all dying you may need to tell them to halt those plans so that people don't end up being uncryofrozen. I really have no counter claim to mav's accusations. In beta my first suggestion was that she was scum but now I have been forced to eat a cyanide capsule I'm thinking that suggestion was a mistake.

I would like to say that I never claimed a one-shot communication ability, as I pointed out repeatedly when someone mentioned it in Beta, otherwise I would have used it to communicate with people in this thread to attempt to counter the accusations against me. I only had a one-shot cryo-freeze ability which I used on greenlover randomly (in the hope to gain more information about the set-up and game).

Its better for town if I don't role-claim but if the thread feels it necessary then I will.

[greenlover]

greenlover: Do you know what happens if you target a non-mage? (Are you told whether your target is a mage or not?) If you target a mage, do you know if the blocking disables all their powers, or just their magical ones?

Now that the mod got back with me, I can answer these questions.

Actually, as it turns out, I can block everything that works off of magic. That means medic's, cop's, and pretty much everything except other anti-mages.

My anti-mage ability does nothing to those who do not use magic.

Also - if I target a mage, I only block their magical powers.

And no, I am not told whether or not I targeted a mage.

Also, since I still think he is scum, and I won't be around for the Thursday deadline, I am still going to

vote: ForallofThis

Because, honestly, he is the second scummiest person I have seen so far, and my case against the first hasn't been completed yet.

[Van]

Hoi. Checking in briefly:

Third: Oh crap, Van, do you really think the corpses rotting in Beta automatically kills the players in Alpha? I guess it makes sense... IIRC, Aardvarki said in Beta that anyone "completely dead" is entirely out of the game in both threads

Er, I'm pretty sure you're referring to me... quoting you... from the other thread. Which you said you were told. So.. yes? *checks* Yes. It was your post. "any corpses we don't freeze are likely to become completely dead within a few days"

VZ voted for FOAT on D2. I think only FOAT and myself were seriously against a FOAT lynch, so it seems likely that they'll lynch FOAT today.

FYI: With FOAT dead, VZ is voting E_E (on grounds of "being most beneficial in BETA"). Also, re:reading both threads legally, I can, but I can't post there. Observation only.

According to those with access to BETA, I was frozen. Presumably that is what saved me. Mine got better between Saturday and Sunday at about 18:00 (GMT) (i.e. The first message came at about 18:00 on Saturday, and the "you're cured" came almost exactly a day later.) Maybe Van could check the timing on when I was frozen to see if that fits.

Aardvarki announced you were in stasis Sun Nov 28, 2010 9:50 am UTC. EH had posted the action about 16 hours previous.

FOAT: We're swimming in power role claims at this point. How would it not be beneficial to claim?

[Elvish Pillager]

greenlover: Do you know what happens if you target a non-mage? (Are you told whether your target is a mage or not?) If you target a mage, do you know if the blocking disables all their powers, or just their magical ones?

Now that the mod got back with me, I can answer these questions.

Actually, as it turns out, I can block everything that works off of magic. That means medic's, cop's, and pretty much everything except other anti-mages.

Huh. Did the mod explicitly tell you that medics and cops are based on magic, thereby giving modly confirmation of the existence of medics and cops? If not, how did you come to that conclusion?

Its better for town if I don't role-claim but if the thread feels it necessary then I will.

I don't believe this. Two doctors and a rolecop of sorts have already claimed, we're almost certainly going to lynch you today, and we need as much information as we can get. I want to see a full claim from you, ASAP.

[greenlover]

Gotta be fast, but I think I can answer this one question before I leave.

Huh. Did the mod explicitly tell you that medics and cops are based on magic, thereby giving modly confirmation of the existence of medics and cops? .

Actually, yes, but only for medic's. However, I said the word medic first. Though, he said that if the medic's power is based off of magic, so. . . the medic might not be based off of magic. Basically, it the power is based off of magic, I can block it.

Sorry if this is disjointed, I am on the run.

[ForAllOfThis]

Well I'm a telepathic mage. I can target someone and intercept any messages that they are sharing with anyone in that thread. I attempted to target between thread messages but was unable to intercept them (targeted e_e on day 2 to check this out) and targeted Jayshu on day 1 and targetted VZ before I got killed but was unable to recieve the results. I can also send a telepathic message once a day to anyone I choose through the mod, which I haven't used today. I got my one shot a game cyrostasis, which I used on greenlover as well randomly.

[Elvish Pillager]

Sweet. That story checks out. Now send a telepathic message to mpolo so that we can confirm that part of your ability claim.

On the minus side, your ability is pretty weak regardless of which faction you're in. I might think you were the best lynch target even if I thought you were probably town. (Especially since we can only check alignments on dead players, and you surely understand how useful it would be for us to know your alignment.)

Vote: ForAllOfThis

I'm a bunch less suspicious of greenlover than I was at the beginning of the day. I await his D4 claims.

[Aardvarki]

The town grew uneasy, some members fearful for their lives; the others arguing over who should be the next to go. A few claimed they had had enough. One stormed off after a short dispute, claiming he felt dizzy and tired. After being apart from the group for a while, the others wondered where he had gone. A search party was established, and after a few hours, they finally found him - curled into the fetal position, his corpse a smoking pile of rotten remains; the life sucked out of him.

The in-depth analysis of the corpse showed that it belonged to Weiyaoli.

Weiyaoli has been killed.

[Elvish Pillager]

Scum-kill flavor. Odd. Weiyaoli was scheduled for death anyway, and soon, since they started here and were never frozen in BETA. Why would scum target them?

Oh, here's another thing that's been bugging me:

From the rules, it looks like we can't possibly lose. This thread is required to lynch every day. That means one player becomes "completely" dead every day. There's no apparent way to block or reverse this process. The town win condition is to "eliminate all non-town players". All players will eventually be eliminated by the lynch. So the town wins.

When I asked about this theory earlier in Beta, the mod essentially reiterated the rules given in the OP, and avoided stating anything inconsistent with the theory. If this were as simple as "the mod just left out the fact that the scum win when they can eliminate the town", I don't think Aardvarki would have worded their response so carefully to avoid stating it. I think this must mean that the scum control some kind of power that can do one of the following:
1) Stop the lynch
2) Bring back the "completely dead"
3) Move players from ALPHA to BETA

Hmmmm...

Mod, if you'd like to clarify more so as to dissuade me from this line of reasoning, now would be a good time.

[Aardvarki]

If non-town eliminate the town faction, non-town wins. If it is impossible for this not to occur, non-town wins. If non-town is eliminated before either of these scenarios occurs, town wins.

The game ends when one team achieves victory.

The win conditions of this game are the same as standard mafia, but I can't use "outnumbering" because of the thread-split; depending on what threads everyone's in, one town can win against one scum.

[mpolo]

Good morning, all.

This stupid scanner seems to be near useless. Somehow "sucking the life out of" weiyaoli would seem to be either magic or anti-magic, and yet I have received no "pings" indicating that magic has been used since D1 (not counting the moments in which I was voting). And yes, the only thing this stupid thing has told me is that Van has magic powers. Not even "Van is a mage".

So this thing just keeps me from voting in the hope that I get some information.

FAOT: Interesting claim, though a telepathic mage would actually be a good candidate to do exactly what Mav said that it would do.

I'm going to hold off a bit, as by my calculations, I have like 19 hours left before deadline. Maybe the scanner will decide to do something.

[Mavketl]

Vote: ForAllOfThis

Simply because nothing has been said that really convinces me that he wasn't the person who killed me in BETA. And it doesn't help that someone gets killed shortly after he joins us here.

[Elvish Pillager]

Yeah - I thought a bunch about FOAT's claim, and I'm pretty sure that if I had the power to force cyanide use and give incorrect information about who caused it, I'd go kill someone else and tell them FOAT did it, not kill FOAT and give the game away.

The only confusing case is if Mavketl controls the power, but that seems absurdly improbable.

Here's hoping Van gets FOAT's alignment tonight.

[Van]

That kill is confusing me. I had sort of assumed that we were dealing with oneshot kills here, after there not being any on D2. But while trying to puzzle today's out, something came up which is confusing me: E_E claimed antimage in BETA, and blocked EP D1 and FOAT D2. That would explain him not killing anyone else, but if she didn't block EP on D2, who did? And EP, while I'm thinking about this, who did you protect on D1/D2?

Regarding FOAT, I think the most likely situation is that he probably is a telepathic mage (as claimed), but is scum. After some thought, regardless of his alignment he'd be pretty crazy to keep using a kill that told the person who killed them (and thanks to the nature of the game, allowed them to report it), but his choice of target is anything but pro-town.
Vote: ForAllOfThis ...I guess that'd make his name FAOT, not FOAT, wouldn't it. I probably should stop calling him FOAT.

And yes, the only thing this stupid thing has told me is that Van has magic powers. Not even "Van is a mage".

So it specifically told you Lataro was a mage, but only said I had magic powers? I really really do not understand magic in this game, especially not the relationship between magic and tech. Lataro is a mage, but does not seem to use magic. Putting people in pods is no more magical than waving a scanner at someone, but (I am assuming) mpolo is not a mage. Is this more like... technomage? If it was, that's fine, but it neither "magic powers" nor haunting people seem to be particularly technological. FAOT's claim is more like what I was expecting pre-game.

[Mavketl]

Vote: ForAllOfThis ...I guess that'd make his name FAOT, not FOAT, wouldn't it. I probably should stop calling him FOAT.

... I've been using "ForAllOfThis" and "FOAT" interchangeably like all the time, how did I not notice this.

[ForAllOfThis]

Clearly it wasn't me who killed weiyaloi because if mavs claim is true then he would have had to eat a cyanide pill like she did.

I am basically an 'advanced cop' if I can hit the right target and you guys are jumping at the chance to lynch me when there are plenty of lurkers that would make much better lynch targets. You're lynching me on a message that Mav recieved before being removed from beta thread. Further still I'm a mage if I had used any power mpolo would of got a ping result. All the evidence at the moment is pointing me to not being scum; not including mavs mysterious message even though I got a similar one when I was forced into this thread as well.

And what use would a telepathic mage be to scum? As far as I can tell there's no masons and the flavour doesnt hint at any so there'd be no other messages to intercept.

Who do you want me to send the telepathic message to so I can confirm? mpolo? It doesn't seem like it's going to stop this lynch though =(.

[off topic] Also yea everyones been making that mistake. I couldn't be bothered to point it out, I think people use it because it's more pronouncable unlike FAOT.

[Elvish Pillager]

That kill is confusing me. I had sort of assumed that we were dealing with oneshot kills here, after there not being any on D2. But while trying to puzzle today's out, something came up which is confusing me: E_E claimed antimage in BETA, and blocked EP D1 and FOAT D2. That would explain him not killing anyone else, but if she didn't block EP on D2, who did? And EP, while I'm thinking about this, who did you protect on D1/D2?

I'm pretty sure that anti-mage blocking is completely different from the blocking that Mavketl and I experienced. Not least because eating cyanide pills is not a magical action.

I haven't protected anyone. I tried to resurrect Van D1, which failed without reasons given, and weiyaoli D2, which failed due to the weird blocking thing. Since there's already been a kill today, I might as well reveal that I haven't used my ability today; I'm going to submit a resurrect on someone in BETA now. Haven't decided who. I don't even know whether I should be trying to resurrect scum or town.

The failure of my D1 action does not confirm e_e's claim.

[Elvish Pillager]

Submitted resurrect on ElectricHaze. I trust EH more than the other two in that thread. If it pulls them out of that thread and into this one, then if e_e is telling the truth, they'll probably block VZ (whom I trust less.) So, if I've judged them right, this maximizes the chances of scum being roleblocked in the other thread. On the other hand, if the resurrect makes the target alive in both threads, we're probably better off having an extra thread-townie alive than an extra thread-scum. If it just fails, then it doesn't matter who I target.