[S] Smalltown Mafia: Werewolf Wins!

[Lataro]

lovely.

My kill is basically a pea shooter.

It takes two days to charge up, and processes as the last kill type action, how utterly crap.

First me and roband are definitely scum and linked and whatnot, then roband is very unlikely to be scum, but I still am, what's next?

Back to ignoring a dead man walking...

So basically the only way I'll be able to kill BF tonight is if roband RB's him to stop his kill, the the WW decides that he wants the mafia eliminated. If roband RB's him, at least for all you doubter's it'll be crystal clear tomorrow, when BF either flips scum with a-wan, OR, a-wan flips scum, and I die and flip town, AND there was no mafia kill, again, assuming roband blocks BF.

On that note, I really have nothing further to say on this game day. I see no reason to stretch this game day on longer. It's basically a choice for the rest of the non-voters to decide who they want to throw their chips in with. As I said though, lynching a-wan, either way, tomorrow this crap will be pretty clear.

[roband]

Yeah, that's enough for me.

Vote a-wan

Lataro, I reckon the WW will let you live tonight, as you help him by killing a scum. I'll be dying. But I'll be able to block BF first, so that's something.

[Lorenz]

Well, I think Lataro is a very stubborn town, and that a-wan is definitely not mafia. a-wan has been very helpful, and is being voted pretty much for not agreeing with Lataro. The reasons are quite weak imo.

vote: weiyaoli

For not voting yesterday, voting a-wan today and following a-wan. I think it was pretty clear that a-wan was not going to use his power AND that I was going to block him. I don't see any reason why it would be helpful for town to follow a-wan. It would have been much more helpful to follow mpolo or roband.

As for the whole Lataro/BF case, I'm much more willing to let it settle by itself, as I am clueless as to who is scum, but I'm leaning towards Lataro being town.

Dang... Ninja-d by roband. I was hoping this vote came in before it came too late.

[Lorenz]

a-wan is much more likely town imo, so If it does come down to it, I'll be voting Lataro, not a-wan. I think we have votes on two towns though.

[roband]

Did I just hammer? I didn't realise. Anyway Lorenz, the reasoning isn't just that he disagrees with Lataro, but also that he linked with boomfrog.

[Lorenz]

No, you didn't hammer. What I meant by too late is "before the other two votes gain too much momentum"

[Lataro]

as I said, toss the chips where ya like.

Your way though, Lorenz, won't clear this situation up regardless of what happens for D3, it'll just be back to the muck, since I'll be dead for sure, and BF and a-wan will both be alive if I'm right.

[Lorenz]

In that case, I would much rather lynch BF than a-wan. a-wan's link to BF isn't strong. He has sided with BF on the Lataro-BF case, that doesn't mean he is scum protecting his own.

[Lorenz]

If a-wan is town, then lynching him will also end up with you Lataro being dead (if BF is scum). So I don't see how it has a better chance of working anyway.

[roband]

In that case, I would much rather lynch BF than a-wan. a-wan's link to BF isn't strong. He has sided with BF on the Lataro-BF case, that doesn't mean he is scum protecting his own.

No, he has said that boomfrog is DEFINITELY town, but also gone out of his way to say it as quietly as possible.

Also, lynching BF is a waste of a kill on a mafia, as he's already half dead (by Lataro). If you believe he is mafia, that is, and I do.

[Lorenz]

I think a wans post is getting out of context, and if a-wan is town, then lataro will be dead and we will have lost 2 townies plus the ww kill. (That is, assuming lataro town, bf scum)

[roband]

How is it out of context, when he says "Scum is definitely these two players" "WW is definitely not these players" "Potential WW are these players".

Why not point out who you feel is directly town? I say that it's because he's hoping to hide behind his own words.

[Lorenz]

Thats my problem. People say hes trying to hide something, I think he was perfectly clear with his thoughts, and they are logical.

[a-wan]

My case for BF being town is this:

Control of the kill decision will be randomly distributed to one of you each night

@a-wan: You are misconstruing some of the mechanics of the game. The one to execute the Mafia kill is determined randomly by the mod.

I'm sorry, but this just doesn't seem like he's trying to sew confusion. I think he honestly believed at the time that Mafia didn't get to decide who executed the kill. I truly believe he's not mafia. We know he's not WW.

And I think I've been boneheaded about one assumption I made. First of all, I'm back to believing very strongly that roband and Lataro are mafia. Lataro will say that it's because they are now voting for me, but I've been accusing them before they were accusing me. They've only jumped on me because I accused them. Since Lataro is so fond of making pretend quotes about people, I'll do the same for him.

Lataro: "How dare you accuse me! I gave you a pass yesterday! You're supposed to like me and hang on every word I say! Now I will accuse you and get everyone to lynch you!"

Anyways, the boneheaded assumption I made is that mafia would make killing WW a priority. Given that I think roband and Lataro are GoP's partners, I can see why they would think that GoP had the weakest power. Additionally, since they thought that WW would likely be targeting GoP, they thought that at least they could use him to deliver the kill since his power would be the easiest to disguise. Either he's dead or he says he copped someone and they weren't WW. Easy.

Meanwhile roband blocks BF which BF can confirm, so he's not the killer. Lataro's use of poison will show that he's not the killer tomorrow. Only catch is that now roband will have to make the kill tonight, so no one will be RBed.

If people don't believe me, go back through the thread and read how Lataro and roband have defended each other. They barely give any reasons.

Lataro: "Can't be roband. He's a puppy so BACK OFF!"
roband: "Nah, I just don't think Lataro's scum because...well, because!"

Also, roband is not making a very strong effort at scum hunting. He put Ibarra and BF together. If he had been truly scum hunting, he never would have put them together. He was looking for someone he could label as scum. He picked Ibarra because I was saying that he, Lataro, and Ibarra were candidates, and he wasn't about to pick Lataro.

So, as I see it, if you choose me, then tomorrow I'm dead, BF is dead, whoever else they choose to kill is dead, and whoever WW chooses to kill is dead. I'll flip town and so will BF, and you could be at 2-2-1, worst case.

If you believe I'm scum, then worst case tomorrow is 3-2-1. I'm not saying vote Lataro only because it's the more cautious path. I'm saying that you should vote for Lataro because there's a good case against him and roband, but if you're on the fence, kill Lataro today and me tomorrow. Chances are pretty good though that if we lynch Lataro today, I'll be killed in the night anyway.

The one piece of good news is that I don't think we have to worry about roband's RB tonight. He can't claim to RB Lataro because BF will be dead. If he claims anyone else, they'll know.

If it doesn't happen like that, lynch me tomorrow.

[a-wan]

EBWOP

In the third to last paragraph, I meant to say, "If you believe I'm scum, but we lynch Lataro, then worst case..."

[Lataro]

Don't lynch me today, my scummate will be RB'ed and killed, and we'll lose! Lynch town, so that tomorrow when you lynch me, my mate is still alive to kill another townie, likely ending town's chances!

[a-wan]

The good news is everyone can read through the thread and make their own decisions. Read through it once thinking that BF and I are mafia, then read through it once thinking roband and Lataro are mafia and see which makes more sense.

[roband]

roband: "Nah, I just don't think Lataro's scum because...well, because!"

Lol. I've given better reasoning that this and you know it. The fact is that I don't think he's been very scummy, rather than thinking he has been expecially townie.

But when I have you linking yourself to someone who I think is scummy, well you will jump straight to the top of my list.

Ibarra was only there as he was the most fitting at the time, I didn't have anything else. That's how this game has been for me, scumhuntingwise, unfortunately.

ninja - and now you're going back to me and Lataro being linked. Old record, but you can try it I guess. People are going to have similar views, if you play this the way you have done, dude.

[a-wan]

Lol. I've given better reasoning that this and you know it. The fact is that I don't think he's been very scummy, rather than thinking he has been expecially townie.

You really haven't.

[roband]

Well my point of

The fact is that I don't think he's been very scummy, rather than thinking he has been expecially townie.

is much better yours of

"Nah, I just don't think Lataro's scum because...well, because!"

I don't have anything else to offer, sorry.

[a-wan]

My question is simply, if you don't have much evidence of him being town, why are you defending him at all? But you haven't just defended him once. You've defended him multiple times.

[Ibarra]

Mod: I most likely won't be able to go oonline until Saturday GMT+8

FoS: roband for assuming things about the WW role multiple times.

Re:Who executed the kill
Why did we just assume that GoP couldn't have done the kill?
IMO it would be equally possible for GoP to do it as the scumteam may have known that it was unlikely that GoP could be saved.

Re: My FoS on GoP
I think wei already answered it. I found GoP suspicious yes, but that was small compared to how I found BoomFrog suspicious.

And I have to go now, so I have to skim the rest of the posts.
I think the lynching table at the moment is between a-wan and Lataro.
If I were to choose between them, I would pick Lataro as a-wan's recent posts have been helpful and he looks townie as ccompared to Lataro.

[Ibarra]

Vote: Lataro as per above.
Hope I can submit this post before my time runs out >.>

[roband]

Current votals, by my count:

Lataro (3): BoomFrog, a-wan, Ibarra
a-wan (3): Lataro, weiy, roband
Weiy (1): Lorenz

7 players voting, which leaves.. 2 not voting? Mpolo and someone else. Mpolo still hasn't posted in awhile, but I recall him giving a reason for this.

[roband]

Thirdkoopa is also not voting. But I guess we have plenty of time before deadline, we really shouldn't lynch until mpolo returns so we can get his take on things currently.

[Lorenz]

What happens with tied votals?

[Lorenz]

Assuming my steal processes before roband's block, If a-wan is lynched, I'll be stealing from roband. This means if you think Lataro is town, he'll be dead tonight and we'll have lost a powerful town.

Seriously... do you really think a-wan/BF or Lataro/Roband being a scum pair is possible? No scum would align themselves so easily.

Unvote
Vote:BoomFrog

Since my vote wasn't going to get any help, let me try this. If Boomfrog isn't lynched I'll use my power to avoid him being killed at night. If you really think BF is scum, you better lynch him now.

Are we seriously deciding to lynch between the most helpful and aggressive players? Ones who used their night action in a logical fashion? BF, roband and weiyaoli's claims/actions are all flaky.

Of course, if I can't convince anyone then I will end up voting Lataro unless something changes my mind. He is the scummier of the two.
Lataro: Do you realize how stubborn you are? You are basically voting a-wan for not agreeing with you (that's my take at least).
a-wan: do you realize you too, are voting Lataro for not agreeing with you, and that you were about to change your vote but didn't in an OMGUS manner?

[roband]

Why would you steal from me?!

Actually, if you want to do it, do it. I will be vanilla town and the WW won't need to kill me! That works. But then we need you to steal from the WW next, or we need to lynch him.

If you steal from me tonight, will my RB for tonight still go through? Essential for blocking the scum kill.

[Lorenz]

I don't know, I'm waiting for Misnomer to let us know. But... that's the point exactly, I won't let you use your RB to block BF, and Lataro will die. I don't like it but I don't like the a-wan/Lataro lynch.

[Misnomer]

Mod, so we stop asking can you list the powers that remain and the order they occur in?

That would appear to be a sensible course of action.

Night Action Order:
(Jeremy)
Otto
Gordon
Carter
Werewolf Kill
Mafia Kill
Ethel
Eddie
Linda
Lois
Velma
Harry
Narissa
Tony

nb: investigative actions still return full reports on all actions that night, even those processed after them.


Votals:

Lataro (3): BoomFrog, a-wan, ibarra
a-wan (3): Lataro, weiyaoli, roband
BoomFrog (1): Lorenz

What happens with tied votals?

If I call night and the vote is tied, there will be no lynch.

[Lorenz]

Well... that's that for my plan then...

[roband]

Ok, how is this for a test?

I will not RB boomfrog. I may RB someone else, in the hope of hitting the WW.
Lorenz, I will give you my permission to steal from me (so that I'm not a threat to the WW in future nights and I might live longer).
In return, and as a test of his towniness, I want boomfrog to bus drive from me to someone else, to protect me against the WW tonight.

If we do all that, I will believe that boomfrog is town.

As for who I would think was scum after that, I don't know, but we can be analysing night actions and such to help us more, by that point.

Not sure if the above is viable, I'm just off out and typed this while it was fresh in my mind.

[Lorenz]

Actually, if you want to do it, do it. I will be vanilla town and the WW won't need to kill me! That works. But then we need you to steal from the WW next, or we need to lynch him.

If you are vanilla then WW doesn't have to kill you... If you are town, that's bad because it means we loose the roleblock anyway, instead of a different power... if you are scum however, that would work out really well for you to stay out of the WW radar. Is that why you said you are ok with it?

Ninja-d: Why would I want you to lose the RB? It was only to avoid the lynch which I'm not comfortable with. AND, that would mean that my steal is bus-driven by BF, so he would choose who to steal from. I don't like it.

[Lorenz]

Also, your suspicion on a-wan is based on him trusting BF is town... NOW you are willing to trust BF as town? Interesting.

[weiyaoli]

No, BF I do not believe that you are scum (currently).

If you don't think I am scum, then shouldn't you be voting for Lataro? Not lynching him is essentially killing me. Or do you think he is misguided town?

The thing is, I currently think that a-wan is probably the WW and roband is one of the other scum. I don't think a roband/lataro scum team is what we have right now, since roband is the one who has been linking himself to lataro throughout. I think lataro is misguided, and from what he has said, nothing we say will change what action he will carry out.

The awful feeling I have right now of course is that lataro's strategy was this very thing; act really aggressively against one person in particular (in this case bf with the dangerous bus drive for scum) so that he can "justify" his extra kill.

It would have been much more helpful to follow mpolo or roband.

Why would this be the case? By following mpolo, all I gain is the doctor he used. I guess if I thought he was scummy (which I didn't yesterday) he would have been the ideal scum killer (since as a scum doctor, his power is useless anyway). By following a-wan, like he himself said, he was the obvious use for the scum killer if he was scum. As for roband, he was also a good target I agree, but I think a-wan isn't as bad as you make out.

[Lorenz]

No... it was very possible for a-wan to be blocked by roband, as many had suggested. Why would scum risk getting their kill blocked, when a-wan's power, if not blocked, could also have served them for an extra kill.

What makes you think a-wan is probably the WW?

[Lorenz]

And you had said so yourself...

Or, you know, people were saying that you should be roleblocked and power stolen. Why would you carry out the kill when you were very likely to be roleblocked? People could be tracking you (as I did) because your role is so dangerous. You were pretty much the obvious one to be outed the next day. If your scum mates (GoP and X) and X had an important role that they couldn't miss out on. GoP would have been a good choice.

[a-wan]

Lorenz, use your power however you want, but I would think that roband is the last person you would want to steal from. If he's mafia, stealing from him frees him up to make the kill tonight. Why else would he be so willing to have his power taken? Also, since his target is informed if he is targeted, his is one power that can be confirmed.

If he's town, his power is one that does not kill people and could help find the WW if he were to actually use it.

[Lorenz]

Since my power is the last to process, it doesn't free him up to use the kill tonight. It does for other nights. I do agree though, that him agreeing to me stealing it is perhaps the scummiest move I've seen.

Unvote
Vote: Roband

My BF vote plan wasn't going to work, and I do want a possibility of a different vote out there.

[roband]

Wut? I'm trying to help us. Lorenz, if you want to steal from me in order to trust me more, I'm fine with that. If it also means the WW isn't interested in me, great!

I do not think BoomFrog is town. I don't expect him to agree to what I said. Like I said, it was a test. And a test which I don't think scum BoomFrog can afford to do.
So I don't think he'll agree.

If he does, he's probably town. I have never said that someone is DEFINITELY town or not. Just what I was feeling at the time. My feelings about players can change.

Tired now, more tomorrow