Amy's Surprise Game [OVER - Sapphire Scrooge Win]

[b.i.o]

I think I trust that masons claim.

I may have misinterpreted your grey text - 'things that didn't really affect the votals at all'. What did that mean?

Sorry if I was unclear: basically, things in grey never really mattered to the vote count. So like when I voted/unvoted roband almost immediately, when mpolo voted/unvoted me in the same post, etc. I made that list mostly for my own use, and I didn't consider those things useful in trying to suss out voting patterns.

[weiyaoli]

I have no clue what tim is on about regarding his restriction. Maybe it's a mod related thing that I couldn't have received yet since amy isn't back yet? Tbh, I just think he is lying about it. I've ignored his claims so far because I kind of believed it could be something that was mod related in where I would actually receive information about it when amy came back as he hinted at after his lynch, but I don't think that makes sense anymore when he is repeatedly making this claim about now.

[t1mm01994]

No, I'm not lying. I don't really know who did it, I received my posts through Amy, but when I tried to say stuff about you it conveniently dissappeared in the posts I had to make. So either you edited them and you're lying, or someone who doesnt want bad stuff to be said about you did so. So, do you have anyone that would do such a thing?

[BoomFrog]

Why do you think Roband is confirmed as town? If some external power made you masons then that doesn't confirm that your alignments are the same. Did you cop him?

Please explain your post restriction clearly. You have to send posts to Amy for approval? Or you recived messages that your required to post?

[ForAllOfThis]

@GoP, FAOT, Misnomer, Krong, Greenlover, and infina: wtf? Are you guys still playing?

The next two weeks are busy and tiring weeks working in retail (and expect sparce posts to follow, I can't stop time unfortunately). I'm just about keeping up with the game. Not that much has changed just a metric tonne of wine has been spilled regarding roband & tim. I still don't like that roband is relentlessly trying to gun down Wei and its just further confirmation that roband is a lyncher for the confirmed townies in my eyes. Also, there are other people acting scummier (i.e. tim) who looks like hes attempting to make roband look like hes controlling tim with mind control (or thats how it came across to me). If I was roband and was town, I would be very displeased about that.

Verdict:

Roband - Lyncher
Tim - Scum(?) / Terrible town player / Mind controlled(?) - This sums up how unsure I am of tims alignment.
Wei - Leaning town (The case made for him being scum is terrible, I hate the 3rd (or 4th) vote rule because scum knows it exists, making it USELESS)

My vote will be staying on Adam for now, he has been vote changing quite a lot (so has Tim), which just adds to his scumminess. The worst part is within four posts, he actually makes a case against roband and votes roband, two posts later Tim says 'I'm town lynch me' and then Adam changes his vote. He then implies that he doesn't think Tim is scum..

And if we lynch t1mm we either get a 100% confirmed town or a lynched scum. t1mm, you better be sure that roband is town, cause assuming he's truthful about the night invulnerablity he's going to survive to the end...

by saying well "Tim could be Scum or Town". On top of that Adams votes have been following whatever bandwagon seems to be forming.

[roband]

Bf - that crossed.my mind, regarding not knowing Tim's aplignment, but the fact the mod called it 'masons' and not something like 'daychat' made me believe Tim was also town.

Ninjad by faot - last time.it was a crusade, I gave it up, looked into other people, came back to weiy because others were voting him and now I'm relentless? Ffs dude, I can't win with you...

[ForAllOfThis]

Bf - that crossed.my mind, regarding not knowing Tim's aplignment, but the fact the mod called it 'masons' and not something like 'daychat' made me believe Tim was also town.

Mine & Mavs chat D2 in Zoo Mafia 3 was called Mason chat and look how that turned out (she was scum), although I did ask Silknor if it confirmed Mav as town and it didn't. So I would say it does not confirm the other player as town (unless its a mason chat cop thing controlled by tim ).

[roband]

Well, from that mason chat, I believe Tim to be town.

[Adam H]

Well, this just became fun... First, roband, I already quoted from that post of yours. There's one reason in there why you suspect wei, and it's because wei suggested that bio didn't end the day. So no $100 for you. Roband looks worse to me now, just quoting that entire post when there's only a couple lines in there about wei that I already talked about.

Spoiler:

Roband first suspects weiyaoli because of this:

Regarding the lynch yesterday, I do think bio could insta-lynch someone with his vote, but the day can only end as quickly as the mod comes online. Whoever said "but he didn't end the day immediately by voting" is suspicious to me.

He then goes back and sees that wei was the main person who said that bio didn't end the day. But as I said before, I agree with wei because SOMEONE had to vote last. I think it's certainly possible that bio ended the day, but by no means is it absolutely likely.

There's NO reason why a one-time mason pair couldn't be a town and a scum. Come on t1mm. And roband. That's not good enough. t1mm, think about if you are wrong. It's reeeally bad play. Roband is good enough to convince you he's town just by talking to you (I think). I think it's less likely that roband is town while t1mm is scum. And both scum would be... really crazy scum play.

Basically, I'm willing to believe that t1mm is town for now. Voting for himself when it's like 2 more to hammer was a bold, bold move. But even if I'm wrong, that doesn't say anything about roband...

unvote

I'm picking up some flak for changing my vote a lot, but, you know, when the facts change, I change my mind. What do YOU do?

He then implies that he doesn't think Tim is scum... by saying well "Tim could be Scum or Town".

What? It's true, t1mm could be town or scum. So could any of us (except me, I cannot be scum ).

[mpolo]

So, the good news is that people have been active. The bad news is that I totally forgot to check this yesterday and today. I should get some time this evening to say something sensible.

[Misnomer]

@GoP, FAOT, Misnomer, Krong, Greenlover, and infina: wtf? Are you guys still playing?

Whoops, sorry - catching up now.

Master/minion rarity: it's rare on this forum, yes I'll admit. It's a role I've been looking to include in a game for a while now though, so that's why it came to mind when I though of non-cult recruitment. Plus, Amy games are known for rare and non-standard roles.

There is a lot of "If I/X were scum I/ze would not be acting like this" going around. That's pure wine and I'm not going to put any stock by it.

I don't like where this Weiy-wagon has sprung from (Xth to vote, playing safe etc.) and I definitely don't like t1mm's vote for it.


And then... t1mm and Roband suddenly back each other up? And then T1mm self-votes, never a good sign. And then masonhood is claimed?

...nah, I'm not buying it. No offense T1mm, but I think you're scum. And terrible scum at that. You tied yourself in knots looking for an easy lynch and drowned yourself in wine attempting to defend yourself. You saw your scumbuddy Roband come under attack and, judging that your chances of persuading us you were townie were now pretty much gone, attempted to save him by sacrificing yourself to the lynch instead.

My vote stays in place. Also massive FoS: Roband

[ForAllOfThis]

I hold back until I see something (scumtell, slip, strange posting style) deserving of a vote that convinces me that the person in question is scum. What I don't do is throw around unsure votes on forming bandwagons, when (as everyone is eager to remind people not voting) "the day could end at any moment" (which for the record, seems unlikely to happen again, for at least a few days). The reason for this is scum/anti-town (could be an indie) could just simultaneously vote and end days straight away, continuously, and the game would be over.

He then implies that he doesn't think Tim is scum... by saying well "Tim could be Scum or Town".

What? It's true, t1mm could be town or scum. So could any of us (except me, I cannot be scum ).

Yes we all could be scum, but I'm not talking about cold hard facts I'm talking about what you are thinking. If you think that Tim could be town or scum, then you don't think that he is just scum, so why did you vote for him? This is especially reflected in your vote switching.

[roband]

I won't be posting to defend myself anymore.

When I flip town - look at misnomer, weiy and maybe mpolo. Mpolo has been tugging my scumstrings a little.

[Adam H]

I hold back until I see something (scumtell, slip, strange posting style) deserving of a vote that convinces me that the person in question is scum. What I don't do is throw around unsure votes on forming bandwagons, when (as everyone is eager to remind people not voting) "the day could end at any moment" (which for the record, seems unlikely to happen again, for at least a few days). The reason for this is scum/anti-town (could be an indie) could just simultaneously vote and end days straight away, continuously, and the game would be over.

This is completely different from the optimal town play, IMO. If someone hammers, then we lynch them tomorrow. It's early in the game. Stop scaring everyone from voting.

If you only vote when you are sure of yourself, you'll never vote until you have to. And anyway, you're doing it wrong, because I'm town, and you're voting for me.

Yes we all could be scum, but I'm not talking about cold hard facts I'm talking about what you are thinking. If you think that Tim could be town or scum, then you don't think that he is just scum, so why did you vote for him? This is especially reflected in your vote switching.

I thought the most likely scenario was that IF t1mm was town, then he copped roband and knew for sure that roband was town. OR t1mm was scum and roband was scum as well. So the only way to find out would be to lynch t1mm or roband, but roband didn't want to die and t1mm did.

But again, that was before the mason claims and whatnot.

[mpolo]

Wow. That's a lot of weirdness to respond to.

t1mm just looks really scummy. Especially with the self-vote. The self-vote came early rather than just hammering himself, which would be atypical for a jester (unless he has to take somebody with him, I suppose).

roband is not looking super-towny. His big confirmation is from t1mm, who is quite scummy, and claims that roband is unkillable.

b.i.o still has the weirdness from yesterday, which has been all-but-eclipsed by the roband-t1mm situation. He did put out the most coherent argument about why we can't 100% trust weiyaoli and Angua.

And then there's "spiky" Adam H, who hasn't really alleviated the scum vibe that I had for him. He's together with roband on this "3rd and 4th votes are absolutely scummy". There's a statistical preference for those slots over time, but it's wrong to argue that without a lot of corroborating evidence. Add to this the vote-flopping, and he doesn't look all too good.

In contrast, FAOT and Misnomer are looking pretty good.

Is there an official deadline?

In any case, I think I'm going to stay out of "who's more scummy between roband and t1mmm" and

Unvote
Vote: Adam H

[Adam H]

And then there's "spiky" Adam H, who hasn't really alleviated the scum vibe that I had for him. He's together with roband on this "3rd and 4th votes are absolutely scummy". There's a statistical preference for those slots over time, but it's wrong to argue that without a lot of corroborating evidence.

Please explain. I don't remember saying that 3rd/4th votes are scummy, although in general, sure, it's seen as a scumtell. Hmmm, I think you are talking about the post when I was explaining why roband voted wei, but that was to REFUTE the reason. To clarify: I think wei's 4th vote on t1mm is justified and is NOT scummy.

If your only other reasons are my "vibe" and the vote flipflopping, then... whatever. I know my votes have been hasty but I'm truly afraid that the day is going to end and I just want to make sure we're lynching the right person.

No, I'm not lying. I don't really know who did it, I received my posts through Amy, but when I tried to say stuff about you it conveniently dissappeared in the posts I had to make. So either you edited them and you're lying, or someone who doesnt want bad stuff to be said about you did so. So, do you have anyone that would do such a thing?

Wow I was distracted by FAOT and other posts, and I'm just now noticing this. You're saying that you have to send every post to Amy, who edits it and sends it back to you to post? There's no way you'd be able to post so often if that was the case. Or is it just some posts? Do we know which posts he's talking about? Basically, I don't believe you.

I think now that both t1mm and roband are scum. t1mm is hoping that by dying and showing scum tomorrow, we will be so full of wine about roband we won't know what to think. Bah, that's a horrible guess, but it's better than believing they're both town and wei is scum...

OK, I'm pretty sure this will be my final vote. No more flopping for me! Mainly cause I'll be gone tomorrow and will have limited access to the internet over the next 7 days...

Vote: t1mm

Votals (hopefully correct):
5 - t1mm (misnomer, t1mm, gop, weiy, adam)
3 - adam (infina, faot, mpolo)
2 - weiy (bio, roband)
1 - roband (angua)
1 - infina (BF)

[Sungura]

As someone goes to the winery and breaks in releasing barrels upon barrels of wine flooding the town, one person was unable to stay afloat. Sinking slowly to the bottom, partially by his own hand, tim drowned to his death as all the fish in the sea below got drunk.

The official deadline was yesterday or today I forget which. Either way, it ends today, now.

Also please refrain from bolding FOS's etc, i kept almost counting those as votes. ONLY BOLD VOTES PLEASE. I also almost missed a few as there was not a BLANK line space BOTH before and after. Please be careful of this.

Votals:
5 - tim (misnomer, gop, weiy, tim, adam)
3 - adam h (infina, faot, mpolo)
2 - weiyoli (bio, roband)
1 - roband (angua)
1 - infina (boom)

tim is lynched.

it is now Night 2
Deadline is Dec 24th so I can get things started up for day to begin around Chrismas to give the christmas-new years week as a day.

[t1mm01994]

post deleted due to possible rule violation

[Sungura]

Groups ran about the night, haunting everyone's dreams. Sadly some dreams were nightmares, and the nightmares were real. Next morning, two lie dead in their beds.

FAOT is dead, he was town
infina is dead, mafia, purple punk
tim was town, mason

Day 3 starts now will end shortly after New Years at some point.

[mpolo]

Infina's alignment would indicate that either BoomFrog is Sapphire or town. Otherwise, it's a shame to lose a mason, even if he was acting as strangely as he was. There are presumably some scum on that wagon.

That was pretty wimpy for a first post of the day, but tomorrow is Christmas! It's practically here!

[Misnomer]

Huh, I guess this pretty much clears Roband as town then. I maintain that the whole t1mm-Roband affair was suspicious as hell, but you can't argue with the facts.

I'd avoid jumping to conclusions based upon BF's vote for Infina. I know I've thrown out first votes against scumbuddies in the past - a long as there's little chance of the person actually being lynched, it's useful distancing.

I think I need to look over the Wei and Adam H lynch campaigns yesterday - I remember thinking they seemed pretty weak, but I can't remember what they were actually based upon, so on that grounds alone I think I need to do a re-read.

Also, if I don't post again before the big day, Merry Christmas everyone!

[b.i.o]

Infina's alignment would indicate that either BoomFrog is Sapphire or town. Otherwise, it's a shame to lose a mason, even if he was acting as strangely as he was. There are presumably some scum on that wagon.

I don't even think you can draw that conclusion. He could easily be an independent too, and he could just be voting for a teammate because he knew that an actual lynch was unlikely.

I'm going to renew my weiy vote, because my opinion really hasn't changed.

vote: weiyaoli

[mpolo]

It's Christmas. I wasn't thinking about sneaky people… but you're right, this would only be slight evidence for BoomFrog's alignment.

[Krong]

Hey, massive apologies for my lurking -- been busy with holiday stuff. The passiveness of my posts was intentional, but the lack of them was not.

I'll be claiming when I have time to make a long post, but for now: If you are Adam H or targeted Adam H last night (not sure which of these it is), your action was redirected to BoomFrog.

[Krong]

Also, Merry Christmas to all!

[Gopher of Pern]

Apologies all. I was literally about to post and unvote tim, but Amy sniped me.

Bio, I looked back at your reasoning for voting weiy, and it seems to be simply "They bandwagonned on tim, plus they're 'confirmed town'" Which are 2 very poor reasons for voting for someone. Add to that all the weirdness from yesterday, and I reckon that makes you scum.

Vote: Bio

[b.i.o]

You're going to vote for me because my reasons for voting aren't well-enough argued, but you're not going to provide any real counter-arguments? Weiyaoli had what I thought was a poorly justified vote for someone who turned out to be town, and I've yet to see anyone provide any good argument saying my theory about the "confirmed" townies makes no sense. Most of the arguments against it seem to be something along the lines of "but they were confirmed town in the opening flavor and Amy doesn't lie", and if you actually read what was written, it's pretty obvious that they're not confirmed anything. Is my theory about dual publicly-known godfathers a bit unlikely? Maybe, but that's why I waited until after weiy had done something else I found suspicious to vote for him. (And it's not like this would be even close to the craziest game mechanic to ever be present in an Amygame.)

GoP, you were on the list of people I suspect of being scum that I posted yesterday. If we find out weiy is scum, then you're jumping to the top of that list.

[greenlover]

You're going to vote for me because my reasons for voting aren't well-enough argued, but you're not going to provide any real counter-arguments?

Just going to point out that the arguments he claims you made are pretty self evidently flawed.

Also, your theory doesn't hold as much water as simply taking the opening post at face value, imo. I do agree that we shouldn't take augua's and weiy's townyness for granted, but I doubt that the fact that the opening post indicated that they were town is a reason to lynch them.

Anyway, hi everyone! Sorry for the extreme inactivity. I'll try to pick it up a bit from here one out.

Going back over the thread, I'd have to say that roband is pretty much confirmed town now. I don't see much of an argument against FAOT or weiy (I'm not saying he isn't suspicious because the opening post inferred as such, I just don't see much of an argument against him at the moment). AdamH does look pretty suspicious, however, since he kept jumping back and forth on Tim.

[Gopher of Pern]

You're going to vote for me because my reasons for voting aren't well-enough argued, but you're not going to provide any real counter-arguments? Weiyaoli had what I thought was a poorly justified vote for someone who turned out to be town, and I've yet to see anyone provide any good argument saying my theory about the "confirmed" townies makes no sense. Most of the arguments against it seem to be something along the lines of "but they were confirmed town in the opening flavor and Amy doesn't lie", and if you actually read what was written, it's pretty obvious that they're not confirmed anything. Is my theory about dual publicly-known godfathers a bit unlikely? Maybe, but that's why I waited until after weiy had done something else I found suspicious to vote for him. (And it's not like this would be even close to the craziest game mechanic to ever be present in an Amygame.)

GoP, you were on the list of people I suspect of being scum that I posted yesterday. If we find out weiy is scum, then you're jumping to the top of that list.

Counter-arguments? Their vote for tim was for the same reasons as me, so I do not see that as poorly justified. Now, not taking the vote off after it was revealed that he had mason chat, that strikes me as slightly scummy, but you do not list that as a reason. The confirmed townie thing is a red herring; We should not look at it as either scummy or town. My private theory is that they start off as town, but may be recruited or somesuch. So thats 2 reasons you gave, the first one I disagree with, and the second reason is simply because they were singled out at the start of the game by the mod. 2 very poor reasons.

Of course I was on the list of scum, I was being very lurky. I have the time now to reverse that, and hopefully do alot better.

Please remember all the crap you pulled at the beginning of the second day. I did put you from scum to neutral after you actually posted something decent, but you are clever enough to get yourself out of that.

[roband]

Confirmed town, eh? Hi scum, I can see you back from the other end of the sights on that gun you're pointing at me...

Content soon from me. Such long nights are leaving me needing a re-read each morning

[Angua]

You don't think you're confirmed town now, roband? Why is that? Also, you said you were un-nkable, so you shouldn't have to be too worried about it....

Anyway, bio is beginning to get on my nerves. Do I think they are a jester? It's hard for me to decide because if not then I'd be voting for them right now.

I don't know about wei, but we should probably be looking for changes in activity between the days to figure out - I think we both started out confirmed town for at least the beginning so you're going to have to look for clues there.

Krong - can you tell us why you had actions for boomfrog switched to Adam H? (I'm assuming it was you because you said it happened).

[b.i.o]

Anyway, bio is beginning to get on my nerves.

Of course I am. I'm repeatedly saying you're scum.

I don't know about wei, but we should probably be looking for changes in activity between the days to figure out - I think we both started out confirmed town for at least the beginning so you're going to have to look for clues there.

Unless there's a cult--which I don't believe--I think you're stuck with whatever alignment you started with. I think you're trying to distance yourself from weiy. You know you're scum, you know there's a good chance he's scum, and you don't want to be the next to die after him.

[Angua]

It's more that you're saying I'm scum without much evidence to back it up. You don't have us doing anything scummy, except for what you said was an unjustified vote, and if that is your standard for guilt then you've convicted yourself a couple of times. This thing about us being godfathers would make us way too overpowered in the opinions of most other people here, and besides a mason and an un-nkable, two towns who have died haven't had powers attached that we were told of to balance out this supposed godfatherness. I know I'm town (at least for now) - I can't say that weiyaoli is still town, just can assume we were the same when we started.

[Krong]

OK, here it is: my role is Insomniac, which means I see a random action from each night, though not who was responsible for the action.

On Night 2, as I hinted before, I saw a redirect from Adam H to BoomFrog. I'm not sure if this means actions from Adam H went to BoomFrog or actions that target Adam H went to BoomFrog, though I'd lean toward the first.

On Night 1, I saw someone target me for a kill. And clearly that didn't go through.

So, here's what I was thinking yesterday: I assumed the kill was coming from mafia or an SK -- I could have been targeted by a vig who thought I was scum, but I didn't see anything I was doing D1 that would have warranted that. I also assumed my being alive wasn't due to a doctor or roleblock, because flavor indicated two mafia groups and we would have had to be very lucky to prevent kills twice. (Judging by the 2 deaths last night, that seems right.) Therefore, I think what happened was some sort of special ability of ElectricHaze's, such that when he was lynched (or voted for?) all kills that night would be prevented.

Also, given that mafia wanted me dead for some reason, I wanted to see if anyone acted weird in response to me being alive yesterday... which I unfortunately didn't see. I also wasn't too upset that people were voicing a bit of suspicion of me, as that meant mafia would be more likely to kill someone else (either someone more vanilla or someone from the other scum faction).

Anyway, I'm claiming now because this seems to be about the most useful my power's going to get. Now we know there's a redirector around, and if there was a cop used last night that person knows to be wary of the results they get back. I also can't think of many results I could luck into that would be more useful. Maybe I could see if a particular player was copped to back up any cop claims, or see if someone is recruited to a cult (if we even have one). But that would still just be luck, and I'd rather get information out now than gamble on that.

Oh, and I did breadcrumb a teeny bit (emphasis added):

I'm not sure on mafia numbers... if a cult is present, the mafia factions would probably have to be stronger to make up for it. The one thing that has jumped out to me so far when reading through is how quickly a consensus developed around 3 mafia in equal factions.

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So, none of that really helps me in scumhunting though, which is something I haven't been helping much with. I'd agree that roband looks to be town now, so as suspicious as it was, I think I'm going to have to set aside my worries around the sudden animal posting restriction that hasn't been seen since. I've been watching GoP since D1 and think his posting has improved quite a bit, so I'm not too worried about him anymore. And b.i.o. seems to be an obvious lynch choice, but almost too obvious... maybe a jester?

Will review and place a vote soon.

[roband]

You don't think you're confirmed town now, roband? Why is that? Also, you said you were un-nkable, so you shouldn't have to be too worried about it....

I wasn't questioning my confirmed-ness - I was just observing the situation and making a witty remark about scum trying to kill me. It was a little attempt to get in scum's faces and maybe goad them to try to kill me (forgetting my role or deciding that it's a fake claim) - thanks for pointing that out...

I really don't think bio is a jester and I certainly don't think Angua is scum - however it's not IMPOSSIBLE, which is the key part.
I haven't read back to see if bio is saying Angua IS scum or if it's a possibility - but it is possible, if you read deeper into the opening flavour.

[b.i.o]

I haven't read back to see if bio is saying Angua IS scum or if it's a possibility - but it is possible, if you read deeper into the opening flavour.

I am more convinced of weiyaoli, but I think that if one is scum, both are likely to be scum. I'm obviously not 100% convinced on either of them...that'd be silly.

I don't like Krong's claim. I feel like it doesn't actually buy us all that much, and that there's nothing in there that gives me any confidence he's town, which means I can't even trust the stuff he says that would be potentially useful. I mean, the role's believable enough, but there's nothing intrinsically town-aligned about it.

[Adam H]

Well, roband isn't 100% confirmed town, but he's about as close as it gets, more so than wei and angua at this point. However, I'm not sure why upon death t1mm showed "mason", if t1mm and roband were simply one-time masons as they claimed.

I don't really have much comment on the redirecting... except that it sounds more like someone redirected my action to hit Boomfrog rather than redirecting an action targetting me. That's just spec from "redirecting FROM adam TO boomfrog", not anything regarding my role.

A couple points on BF voting infina. 1) He knew infina wasn't going to be lynched. 2) Scum wants to lynch scum.

So it's certainly not scummy or anything, but I don't think he deserves townie points...

I think instead of only focusing on those who wanted infina dead (don't forget about meeee!), we should also keep in mind who dismissed the infina votes. Reading back, GoP and Wei (and FAOT...) were the most dismissive, which I think deserves a very slight FoS.

And everyone who thinks it's scummy to change votes: screw you! Things got ridiculous and the day was gonna end! It is very annoying to be encouraged to A) keep my vote on someone even though I think someone else is more likely to be scum or B) withhold my vote until I'm "sure" who scum is. And I think that encouragement is anti-town enough to warrent some more FoSes, so I'll slather those on greenlover and mpolo (and FAOT...).

To summarize, scummiest: GoP, mpolo, greenlover, wei, bio (though I'm pretty sure he's jester). However, FAOT looks really scummy to me from reading back and from the aforementioned "scumtells" so perhaps I'm just bad at this.

I'd be OK with a wei lynch at this point because I think the opening flavor doesn't mean as much now as it did D1, and we now know that 2 townies wanted to lynch him yesterday (rather than 2 scum, as I suspected).

[Misnomer]

Right, so I did a re-read... and nothing really jumped out. The Wei lynch was based upon being the 4th vote, and thought the Infina dismissal might be worth looking at, there's still not much of a case there. The Adam lynch was based upon his seeming readiness to attack everyone he could - but while his thoughts have certainly been far from coherant, this is starting to look more like town clutching at straws to me.

One thing that did crop up from the readthrough is that mpolo seems to be playing a very safe game - but then, this is the read I get from mpolo in every single game I've ever played with him, so I can't really put much stock by that.

Krong's claim seems believable enough. I think I'd agree that the first kind of redirect (redirecting Adam H's actions) is more likely, if only because it's a less powerful role than the second type (and because Adam himself seems to be more inclined to accept this possibility).

Adam H: Would you have suspected that you were redirected were it not for Krong's claim?

[Adam H]

Adam H: Would you have suspected that you were redirected were it not for Krong's claim?

Nope.

[weiyaoli]

Need a replacement.