Secret Santa 2011 - Game Over: Mistletoe and Wine

[ForAllOfThis]

So.... are we going to get an explanation or not? My guess would be that T1mm just asked or forced webby to be his lover? Seems a little strange and have no idea what to make of it.

[Gopher of Pern]

Yes, that is strange.

It's also interesting that Webby did not post anything relating to anything aside from what timm just said...You'd think they'd have some input as to who is scum.

Bio hasn't convinced me, but then they haven't said anything while not drunk, so....

[mpolo]

Just checking in quickly to say that I won't be able to be here until tomorrow. Sorry.

[b.i.o]

So I may have been drunk when I made that last post, but that doesn't mean you should completely ignore what I said. Especially when you're the person I've said I find suspicious, FAOT.

I don't know what Tim's doing, but I certainly wouldn't put it past someone to invent a "Romeo" role without including the necessary Juliet.

I'm not especially suspicious of AS or Tim at the moment. That leaves pretty much everyone else:

FAOT
Webby
mpolo
GoP

Since we started off with 12 players, I'm guessing 3 of those are scum. 2 would be too few. Currently I'm thinking scum are likely FAOT, Webby, and one of mpolo or GoP, but I'm not really sure. I'm going to take a risk and vote FAOT. Upon a re-read, AS's points still make sense, and I still find it suspicious that FAOT basically discarded AS as a suspect after thinking she was suspicious.

vote: FAOT

[t1mm01994]

Guys, please don't end the day before deadline. While I too think that FAOT is scum, we really need more information on the others to do something. I agree with b.i.o on the scums of the moment.. But we're in kind of a dire position.
@love: If someone that is alive is born on the 9th of July I might have some interesting information (cop-style)... 2nd day I, or the one targeted, was roleblocked. Webby is the one I truly love, and I want him to love me back, but I have intel on someone else. Also nightactions on web might not be that effective, as I see it now.

[t1mm01994]

EBWOP:
Unvote
And bigger roleclaim: I've stalked webby for the past 2 nights, with results: day 1: 9th july, plus more info which I'm not gonna share until someone claims it as bday, 2nd night I didn't get anything, roleblocked. I'm done stalking, so I've confessed my love and now I'm moving on to a different target...
P.S: webby, do you love me too? Yes or no. Of course, you have some time to think it over.. But I want an answer.

[ForAllOfThis]

So I may have been drunk when I made that last post, but that doesn't mean you should completely ignore what I said. Especially when you're the person I've said I find suspicious, FAOT.

You asked no questions and there wasn't really anything I could respond to from that post.

I still find it suspicious that FAOT basically discarded AS as a suspect after thinking she was suspicious.

There are several reasons. I've already explained some but theres further explanation below.

With the votes starting to go down on me, I'm going to claim - I'm a borrower. I'm really small so there's only a 50% chance that anything & everything targetted at me will work (including lynches/NKs). I had a one shot borrow ability which I used on TLC day two as I was still suspicous of him, which gave me a cop. Immediately used the cop on AS as I believed they were scum and got a 'scum' result at the start of today (which has been confirmed as being town by the death of TLC). I really hate claiming any sort of immunity as town but I'm hoping another cop/investigator role can verify I'm telling the truth so that we don't lose.

[t1mm01994]

That... Is something I'm not going to respond to until I hear something from mpolo, or any real context further than the obvious from GoP.. Because, in your words, you haven't quite convinced me yet.

[ForAllOfThis]

That... Is something I'm not going to respond to until I hear something from mpolo, or any real context further than the obvious from GoP.. Because, in your words, you haven't quite convinced me yet.

And?

[t1mm01994]

I'd rather have them picking their own point of view than simply (dis)agreeing with mine. That post was made to encourage GoP and mpolo to post.

[mpolo]

The way t1mm's "lover" effect seems to be going down, I'm guessing that he was allowed to pick the person to offer his love to. Which means that from the things he has seen, webby seems to be of a compatible alignment with his own. I don't know what to do with the "July 9" datum -- the Wiki has an interminable list of famous (or not-so-famous) people with that birthday, including O.J. Simpson (does the glove fit, or do we have to acquit?). Lovers are traditionally one scum and one town, but if he is picking his own lover, presumably he is trying not to produce that situation. Neutral with a twinge of towniness.

b.i.o is hard to read because of his occasionally less than rational posts (admittedly under the influence) - I'm going to class him as neutral.

AS has disappeared, but has been pretty consistently townie.

FAOT has had some weirdness in the last time, which has him edging the scummy. I suppose I could be convinced to vote here, but there have been requests not to rush the day as well.

webby hasn't really posted a lot. Seems to be avoiding the "lovers" situation. Pretty neutral.

GoP has been generally helpful. Possibly edging a little in the direction of townie.

I am in a "see everyone as neutral" phase, apparently. Will try to look deeper later or tomorrow. There are obviously scum around -- we just have to find them.

[AngrySquirrel]

AS has disappeared

Yes, it's a massive pain to get online from my current location and even worse to stay online for long enough to get a post in. I'll be back to my regular scheduling in a couple of days.

I have no comment in Timmeh's lover thing going on save that the date 9th of July holds no particular meaning to me at least. I'd really like to hear Webby's response to it though as that could probably be quite interesting.

The lack of people jumping on my vote for FOAT (in addition to my previously stated reasons) has pretty much cemented my belief that he's scum. I'm also not too convinced by the halfway-immunity claim and it's definitely something I'm willing to put to the test.

On players alignments in general, my current thoughts are:

Town:
Timmeh
b.i.o

Scum:
FOAT
Webby

Undecided:
GoP
mpolo

Webby is most definitely pulling a "I'll just make this one post per day to seem active, then lurk the rest of the time"-move, which generally tends to mean scum. And b.i.o's drunk-post and subsequent follow-through gave me a rather good feeling on him.

As for GoP and mpolo I just don't know, currently they're both giving me scum-vibes

[b.i.o]

With the votes starting to go down on me, I'm going to claim

So your claim involves a possible lynch immunity. How convenient.

And you copped AS and got scum? And now you believe AS isn't scum? I'm both confused and more convinced about my vote.

[webby]

Sorry, it's been a surprisingly busy time of year.

The reason I'm cautious about the lovers thing is because typically lovers means that if one dies, so does the other. The problem is I feel like if I reject tim's love, there may be worse consequences - he might get angry and kill me. Is there a time limit I have to respond by?

I think this is a good time to claim, otherwise people might start doing stupid things that could result in my death.

I'm a re-gifter, an independent survivor. Basically, each night I can make a list of the players in the game and any night actions that would otherwise hit me will instead target the people on the list in the order I put the players in.

Here's my night 1 list:
1. Vieto
2. GoP
3. Angry Squirrel
4. TLC
5. roband
6. Boomfrog
7. b.i.o
8. Adam H
9. Conman
10. FAOT
11. mpolo

And my night 2 list:
1. mpolo
2. b.i.o
3. Adam H
4. Conman
5. FAOT
6. tim
7. roband
8. TLC
9. GoP
10. AngrySquirrel

Chances are it's GoP who's birthday is 9th July, barring other redirects etc.

Willing to win with either faction, town or scum can use this information as they will.

[Gopher of Pern]

Question: How would the mod know our birthdays? Mine isn't in July.

Vote: FAOT

I said I was going to, so here it is. Nothing they have said has convinced me otherwise.

timmeh's lover thing is concerning, and puts them a little lower on the townie side for mine. If they didn't need to do it, it was completely unnecessary, and if it was needed, it doesn't really scream townie to me.

Webby still hasn't said much of import. Sure, they've claimed, but they have openly said they will help scum. Not sure what kind of move that is.

Bio is still neutral in my eyes. They have voted for FAOT, who I believe is scum, but it could just be bussing.

mpolo, well, is currently telling that everyone is neutral, without giving out any strong opinions, so is slightly scummy.

Happy with FAOT lynch, and my other picks would be Webby and mpolo, but I'm not as strong on them.

[webby]

Webby still hasn't said much of import. Sure, they've claimed, but they have openly said they will help scum. Not sure what kind of move that is.

It's to make sure neither side wants to lynch me. I would guess that there are at least three scum in a game this size, meaning it's currently (at best for town) 3-3-1. Town doesn't want to lynch the independent on those numbers.

The complicating factor for me, and the reason I claimed, is if I become tim's lover and that lovers work the usual way (if one dies both dies). If scum thought I was town, then assuming tim is town, they'd kill tim and I'd die too. This way, they'd do better to kill off someone else tonight, then use the threat of killing tim to make me do what they want tomorrow. If they can get me on side, they're a majority.

Of course that all falls down if the scum team is only two instead of three, but only two scum in a game this large seems unlikely.

Also, unfortunately, I don't know the scum win condition - whether they need to eliminate all townies, or whether the game ends when it becomes inevitable. It's kind of important to me whether scum can win with tim alive or not. That's what's holding me back from accepting tim as lover, I need to weigh that up against the chances of bad things happening to me if I don't accept. If I do accept, then I can't really support town without scum killing tim, but it might be the case that scum can't win without tim being killed.

Any solutions you can think of to my problem will result in me supporting your faction in a kingmaker situation.
So you see my dilemma - but I think it's clear that neither side wants to lynch me/have me killed right now.

[webby]

Oh and for the record, I agree with AngrySquirrel - I reckon the most likely scum team is mpolo, FAOT, GoP.

Tim is probably either town or independent, AS could be an independent (it would be interesting to have one independent who does random stuff to the lynch and one who does random stuff to night actions ) but probably isn't scum. B.i.o would be my fourth choice.

I've just realised that it might just be the case there are 3 independents (including the serial killer), which would make two scum possible, or that there could be some number of serial killers rather than a scum team, explaining the game being nightless.

Even if that's true, the serial killers don't want to kill me, they want to kill each other! And if AS is survivor, lynching me doesn't move the game forward for her anyway.

[t1mm01994]

No limit, no consequences for your game.
I also buy your claim, webby, as that seems to make sense. I'd say keep Web alive for a bit. He could help us.
Still convinced of AS town, which means that either GoP or bio is bussing. However, bio was attacked by FAOT and allegedly FAOT doesnt like busses, so nothrowing under bus there.
Town: AS, bio
inde: web
scum: rest. There.

I'm town, not indie, and I have a minor posting restiction in trade for a 1 person watcher.
Webby, can you get killed by NK according to your role? Or is that redirected too? If so, I suggest you make your list with probable scum first, so that scum has an incentive not to kill you.
Besides, I'm a stalker. If a stalkers target dies, he just finds another target.

[t1mm01994]

Ooh, after that question is answered, I'd like to hammer. I think we've all got enough information now. I'm not going to hammer unless I have everyone minus FAOT's approval.. But I'm feeling like it.

[ForAllOfThis]

Ooh, after that question is answered, I'd like to hammer. I think we've all got enough information now. I'm not going to hammer unless I have everyone minus FAOT's approval.. But I'm feeling like it.

No-one will get their actions in .

[t1mm01994]

I'm not going to hammer unless I have everyone minus FAOT's approval..

[ForAllOfThis]

So why haven't I hammered myself?

[mpolo]

I am in agreement with the FAOT lynch, but want to make sure that actions get sent in -- I don't have one, but we seem to have some protective/investigative abilities that would be worth having sent in.

[Misnomer]

Votals:

FAOT (3): Angry Squirrel, FAOT, GoP

T1mm, I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to unvote.

Deadline in just over 20 hours. Remember to get your actions in before then.

[ForAllOfThis]

Definitely not voted myself there mod.

[b.i.o]

Yeah, that's my vote.

[Misnomer]

My apologies.

Corrected Votals:

FAOT (3): Angry Squirrel, b.i.o, GoP

[t1mm01994]

Tried to unvote bio, but did so on the wrong day >.<.
Webby, since we'll most likely still be here tomorrow (don't see why scum would lynch me over others), I'll give you till tomorrow.

[Misnomer]

...and that's the deadline! Lynch and Night will be processed shortly.

[Misnomer]

The hour of lynching arrived. ForAllOfThis was led up to the scaffold, the noose was fitted around his neck, and he was pushed off of the platform.

As he swung from his neck, his cloak fell off from around him, revealing a bright red suit with white fur trimmings. The townsfolk let out a collective gasp of horror. Had they lynched Santa?


No, of course they hadn't. Sparks flew out of ForAllOfThis's lifeless body, igniting the suit. As it burned, it revealed a metallic casing beneath instead of skin.

ForAllOfThis was Robot Santa (Insane Protector), member of XMAS, Scum

The townsfolk rejoiced at the discovery: not only had they not killed Santa, but they had caught their first scum member! In good cheer, they returned to their home for the night.

After they had left, Old Man Winter stepped out from his hiding place and examined the body. Looking at the charred heap of wiring and scrap metal, he appeared to sneer slightly. Turning away, he looked back towards the village, with a cold, hard look in his eyes. Then, at that moment the sun set beneath the horizon, and he was gone.



The next morning was the coldest yet. As the townsfolk gathered in the square, they noticed that yet another one of them had gone missing. After a quick search, they found t1mm01994 lying dead in the snow.

t1mm01994 was The Christmas Lovestruck Lunatic (semi-sane Investigation and Killing role), Town

Another townie dead meant that the situation was still perilous. Would town survive another night?

It is now Day 4.

5 players remaining, so 3 to lynch (perhaps). Provisional deadline set for 4pm GMT, Sunday 8th.

[t1mm01994]

please, let them know that *dies*

[mpolo]

We lost a killing role with a semi-sane investigation, which looks like as good as we could hope for for the scum kill (as the investigation might have led him to kill the wrong person).

However, if AS was telling the truth about her power, we have a random lynch tonight. Which is not a good thing. It is 3 to lynch (perhaps), which is an interesting way of putting things.

On the other hand, we were right about FAOT, which gives some breathing space. Unfortunately, I think that everybody except for FAOT was in favor of that lynch.

[AngrySquirrel]

I recieved some indications during the night that GoP might have been responsible for the death of roband.

I'd also like to hear people's thoughts on what they think about the lynch as I've not quite decided yet if I want to use my power or not.

I've got the options to not use my power (aka kill myself), or use my power (randomize the lynch). Neither are ideal options. The first option I don't really like, but I'm willing to take it if I believe that is the best way to aid town. The second path however isn't quite good either in our current situation, it will however keep the person who've got the most votes on them away from being lynched so we could make the odds of hitting scum with it a bit better if we play it sneakily.

Current player list:

Scum:
GoP
mpolo

Town:
b.i.o
(me)

Independent:
webby

Uh, after reviewing that I believe it all depends on webby really.

[webby]

I recieved some indications during the night that GoP might have been responsible for the death of roband.

I'd also like to hear people's thoughts on what they think about the lynch as I've not quite decided yet if I want to use my power or not.

I've got the options to not use my power (aka kill myself), or use my power (randomize the lynch). Neither are ideal options. The first option I don't really like, but I'm willing to take it if I believe that is the best way to aid town. The second path however isn't quite good either in our current situation, it will however keep the person who've got the most votes on them away from being lynched so we could make the odds of hitting scum with it a bit better if we play it sneakily.

Current player list:

Scum:
GoP
mpolo

Town:
b.i.o
(me)

Independent:
webby

Uh, after reviewing that I believe it all depends on webby really.

If you don't randomise the lynch, I'll help town.

Vote: GoP

[b.i.o]

I recieved some indications during the night that GoP might have been responsible for the death of roband.

Good enough for me.

it will however keep the person who've got the most votes on them away from being lynched

If you die, it's going to end up 1-1 tomorrow, which is a scum win. Are you completely sure this is how your power works? If you're not, could you confirm it with the mod? The game may be decided based on how, exactly, it works.

[Gopher of Pern]

Webby, lynching me will help scum. But I suppose you don't care either way.

Well, I'm now almost certain that mpolo and bio are scum. Slight chance that webby and AS are lying, but it is doubtful. I don't know what you received about me being a part of Roband's death, but it might have something to do with the role I sent in.

I might as well role claim now. I'm a christmas unbeliever. I am immune to any christmas related actions, roleblocking those who target me with such actions. I am also immune to the NK, which could be why the kill didn't go through N1. I didn't claim it then, as it could have been because they targeted BF, and I was hoping they'd try to target me again.

At this stage, it is best for you to randomise, as we wont be in a winning position if you die. We have to hope for a favourable outcome of the randomiser.

I'll vote for whichever of mpolo or bio you want. Both are scum in my eyes.

[mpolo]

Webby's help and AS's revelation make a lynch of GoP seem to be the right thing to do.

Vote: GopherofPern

[Misnomer]

Votals:

GoP (2): Webby, mpolo


If the day ends significantly early due to a lynch, a very short 'twilight' period may be held to allow people to send their actions in. You are strongly advised to send them in ASAP however. As always, you are free to make these actions conditional and change them later.

[webby]

Unvote

[webby]

I'd like more information about AngrySquirrel's power first. It sounds like she's going to have to use it to avoid her faction losing.

I don't want a 1/4 chance of being randomly lynched and I'll be seeking a way of avoiding it.