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by **cjquines** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:50 pm UTC

Unvote

Happy, Snark?

Anyway, I was suspicious of Snark at first, but he defended well, so I claimed the Beaver. No, it does not mention the Butcher at all. I just forgot to unvote. (let me guess: you're all going to get suspicious of me, saying that he didn't actually forget, well remember im the Beaver, mpolo said that something bad will happen if I die for the town, this might result in a quick game)

by **wam** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:52 pm UTC

As your about to be lynched CJ do you fancy telling us more?

As even if you come out with the worlds most townie post I doubt enough people will be online in time to save you!

by **UniqueScreenname** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:10 pm UTC

cjquines wrote:mpolo said that something bad will happen if I die for the town

When did he say that? I couldn't find it. I also would like to hear more, especially considering that even Snark is voting for you right now and there isn't much time left.

by **cjquines** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:15 pm UTC

Role PM says that Bellman says it isn't good for me to die.
Wam, I know. It's all just for the record...
(extension?)

by **fshfood** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:59 pm UTC

cjquines wrote:Role PM says that Bellman says it isn't good for me to die.
Wam, I know. It's all just for the record...
(extension?)

Honestly, this sounds very unrealistic. I'm not convinced. How about a power claim.

by **fshfood** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:01 pm UTC

@snark - why the change of heart from you?

by **KrO2** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:26 pm UTC

Maybe it's because Snark actually was gunning for the Beaver all along and now just has to be on the bandwagon in order to win.

Deadline in about forty minutes and a huge majority on cjquines. I should probably put down a symbolic vote.

Vote: Lataro.

Because I strongly dislike the logic that we should lynch cjquines even if he is the Beaver, and Lataro was the worst offender there. It was bad enough saying that we don't care if someone manages to get him killed, but actually spending the lynch to do it for them is even worse. FoSes go out to ahammel, eculc, and anyone else who agreed with that. I'd be fine with people saying that they don't believe the claim, but saying that they don't care strikes me as terrible.

by **ahammel** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:34 pm UTC

KrO2 wrote:Because I strongly dislike the logic that we should lynch cjquines even if he is the Beaver

I don't know about anybody else: but, what? I'm continuing to vote for him because I don't believe the claim, simple as that.

by **mpolo** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 5:06 pm UTC

Since I'm not ready to end the day (have to come up with a poem, you know), I'll grant 2 hours -- if there's discussion going on and a consensus that it is needed, I can give more time; if everybody's just in an entrenched position, then the day will end.

by **KrO2** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 5:18 pm UTC

ahammel wrote:
KrO2 wrote:Because I strongly dislike the logic that we should lynch cjquines even if he is the Beaver

I don't know about anybody else: but, what? I'm continuing to vote for him because I don't believe the claim, simple as that.

You said we don't care if a Beaver-killer manages to kill the Beaver. I got that conflated with a couple of other posts and overstated how bad it was, but I still think that FoS is deserved.

I think Snark is the one I really want to hear from if we have time. If there's another explanation other than him being a lyncher, I'd like to hear it. For now,
Unvote
Vote: Snark
Because symbolic votes are all well and good, but now my vote has a chance of actually helping.
Apparently I've been wrong about at least one of Snark and cjquines. Right now I think it was Snark, thanks to his current vote.

by **ahammel** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 5:47 pm UTC

KrO2 wrote:
ahammel wrote:
KrO2 wrote:Because I strongly dislike the logic that we should lynch cjquines even if he is the Beaver

I don't know about anybody else: but, what? I'm continuing to vote for him because I don't believe the claim, simple as that.

You said we don't care if a Beaver-killer manages to kill the Beaver. I got that conflated with a couple of other posts and overstated how bad it was, but I still think that FoS is deserved.

What I meant to say (but evidently didn't, sorry) is that, even if Snark is a Beaver lyncher, the beav can take care of himself while the rest go after mafia (I have no idea what would count as a "Beaver tell", so staying below the radar shouldn't be that difficult). Obviously, I would prefer town not be killed.

by **mpolo** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:34 pm UTC

The danger was rising, the crew became tense
Snark (not the real one) was sure
The Beaver would trust him, like dollars and cents,
But was his own motive that pure?

"That quines is a poser, a coward, a lout,
Let's string him up over the mast!
Unless he's the Beaver!" he said with a shout,
Though the voting was piling up fast.

"I love the old Beaver, he's my very best friend,
I just want to save him from death."
But the votes kept on coming, so he said at the end,
"I guess I'll just cut off his breath."

No sooner hung cjquines on the dread rope,
Than an iceberg did loom by the prow,
And the boat smashed into it, and there was no hope,
For the crew that was knocked out below.

Final Votals:
Votals:

cjquines (6): Lataro, Alekusandorosu, ahammel, ParSetHis, eculc, Snark
Snark (1): KrO2

cjquines has been lynched. Role and alignment in the morning. Meanwhile, the ship has crashed into an iceberg, knocking out all persons with a "town" alignment. Townies may use no powers tonight.

Deadline for the night will be Monday at 18:00 UTC (so as not to end on the weekend, as promised). Please include me in all night chat.

by **eculc** » Sun Jul 22, 2012 2:22 am UTC

I require a replacement, as I will be unavailable for the next week.

by **mpolo** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:46 pm UTC

The Beaver hung limply on the end of the rope,
While the Butcher looked on with glee.
And yet he felt that he'd have had more hope
If he'd foregone his butchery.

For though he had no Vorpal Sword,
He stood in uffish thought,
Whilst a Jabberwock came him toward
And burbled more than not.

One, Two, One, Two! And through and through
The claws that catch went clickety-clack!
The Butcher lay dead, but with his head
The Jabberwock flew back.

And yet the night was not yet done,
Another crime was planned.
A Boojum slithered just for fun
And sought some salmon, canned.

Instead he found the Barrister,
Who tried to dream of Snarks.
The lawyer fell to the dread monster
Before the waking of the larks.

cjquines is dead. He was the Beaver, town. As long as he was alive, the boat would not hit any icebergs.

Snark is dead. He was the Butcher, independent, then half-town. He could try to night-kill the Beaver for a full win, or lynch the Beaver and convert to town for a half win.

Servant-of_Christ is dead. He was the Barrister, town. He could meditate on a particular person, and then dream of whether that person was a Snark or not.

9 people remain alive, 5 to lynch. The town's powers make terms like LYLO pretty meaningless, but it would be a good idea to lynch scum.

Eculc has requested a replacement, and as yet no one has shown interest. If I do not find someone by the end of the fit, I will modkill.

I realized that I am going to be away in early August, so would propose a deadline of Thursday at 18:00 UTC to try to move this a little faster.

by **Lataro** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:32 pm UTC

Ah ha!

The mention that the Jabberwock carried out the lynch kill is interesting, anyone got any flavor info that would help make sense of that?

Also, three kills. One of them an indie, who i guess will now half win if we win.

I'm guessing since all of us were roleblocked, that the NK on SoC and Snark were anti-town, so a SK and a mafia.

As to CJ's power, I dunno...

does that mean we'll always hit icebergs, or that we have a chance to each night or what?

With the global town roleblock, SoC was the obvious kill choice, since the mod had effectively made him confirmed town, no surprise there. As to the Snark kill though... I'm not sure if it's a traditional SK who just choose to kill him, as that seems like an odd pick, or some kind of indie whose goal is to kill the snark at night, and thought to take a whack at it. Not sure who I suspect now, will need to go back though things.

by **mpolo** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:40 pm UTC

No. Just one iceberg that the Beaver was "keeping away".

Servant-of_Christ is replacing eculc. With town having been blocked last night, he has no additional information over another person replacing in.

by **UniqueScreenname** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 9:58 pm UTC

Great, now HOT Snark and Zombies are going to meld all into one.

Anyway, now we know for sure that there is a Jabberwock and a Boojum to be aware of. I feel like killing Snark "the Butcher" was a dumb move, since he would have been under a lot of heat today for bringing out the Beaver and then voting for it, so it was either extremely targeted, aka part of their win condition, or a newbie mistake. I don't know if there would be flavor justifying the Jabberwock targeting the Butcher, since it's from another poem and all, but I'll try to look for one. Hopefully in a little while I'll update my analysis chart. I wanna get as much flavor as possible in me first though.

by **fshfood** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:50 am UTC

Sigh .. this is why I really dislike it when town play like scum/jester. It makes it so now we don't have a ton to go off of.

I agree with Lataro and US that killing Snark seems a very odd move.

Back for another read through.

by **fshfood** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:54 am UTC

Lataro wrote:The mention that the Jabberwock carried out the lynch kill is interesting, anyone got any flavor info that would help make sense of that?

I think the Jabberwock killed the Butcher while the Beaver was strung up on a rope in the lynch.

by **Servant-of_Christ** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:23 am UTC

I'm back! What do you think about the number of kills last night?

by **KrO2** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:36 am UTC

At the end of the Fit, it was pretty clear that Snark was a lyncher who had managed to kill the Beaver. So maybe a vig killed him? The Jabberwock would be expected to be evil, I would have thought, but uff that. Snark was allied with town, but nobody had any way to know that. I wonder if his win condition would have become more beaver-friendly later on.
I can't imagine any case where I'd want to kill a successful lyncher. Scum didn't know he was allied with town. A vig would have known that he wasn't mafia. An SK would want to go for someone else, like literally anyone else.

We know it is now near the point where we must lynch correctly and that might imply we have multiple anti-town kills. Probably we should assume the worst, so SK plus an untouched mafia. At least we won't black out again. Should we guess maybe 3 mafia members?

by **UniqueScreenname** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:42 am UTC

Well, two people died and there were no town night actions. I can't imagine any other scenario than two anti-town NKs.

by **fshfood** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:46 am UTC

Since all town-aligned were role-blocked, it would have to be multiple mafia NKs or a mafia NK and a SK/indie NK, I'd think.

by **fshfood** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:50 am UTC

ebwop

sorry samwe thing US said. I think I'm too tired.

by **KrO2** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:54 am UTC

There were a couple of other possibilities, like the lyncher left the game after winning and the Jabberwock was just the flavor, or the Beaver had a retaliatory kill that would be used if he was lynched, but those were both nixed by seeing their win conditions and powers. So, yeah, it's probably just the worst-case scenario being annoyingly true.

by **Lataro** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:13 am UTC

KrO2 wrote:There were a couple of other possibilities, like the lyncher left the game after winning and the Jabberwock was just the flavor, or the Beaver had a retaliatory kill that would be used if he was lynched, but those were both nixed by seeing their win conditions and powers. So, yeah, it's probably just the worst-case scenario being annoyingly true.

Just reading from phone. This is suspicious! It clearly said snark became town if beaver was lynched. This smells like SK trying to downplay there being a SK.

Vote: KrO2

by **wam** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 10:33 am UTC

Lataro wrote:
KrO2 wrote:There were a couple of other possibilities, like the lyncher left the game after winning and the Jabberwock was just the flavor, or the Beaver had a retaliatory kill that would be used if he was lynched, but those were both nixed by seeing their win conditions and powers. So, yeah, it's probably just the worst-case scenario being annoyingly true.

Just reading from phone. This is suspicious! It clearly said snark became town if beaver was lynched. This smells like SK trying to downplay there being a SK.

Vote: KrO2

I agree with lataro!

Vote KrO2

And lataro you made it to D2!

by **UniqueScreenname** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 11:48 am UTC

That's what I got from it too, but I'll wait for a response. No rush.

by **ahammel** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:42 pm UTC

Yeah, KrO2 has been ignoring the D2 flavour pretty hard.

The Jabberwock is a possible character, and SK makes sense as a role for him. Not sure if the flavour would it away so obviously, though.

by **KrO2** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 12:54 am UTC

Wow, I was expecting Lataro to unvote after getting a chance to read it on something that isn't a phone, not more people to join in. I'll show why by adding some emphasis.

KrO2 wrote:There were a couple of other possibilities, like the lyncher left the game after winning and the Jabberwock was just the flavor, or the Beaver had a retaliatory kill that would be used if he was lynched, but those were both nixed by seeing their win conditions and powers. So, yeah, it's probably just the worst-case scenario being annoyingly true.

It was probably unnecessary to bring those up, since they had already been ruled out, but I was just saying that there are theoretical answers that don't involve two anti-town kills even if I can't think of any that are still possible.

by **Lataro** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 1:05 am UTC

KrO2 wrote:Wow, I was expecting Lataro to unvote after getting a chance to read it on something that isn't a phone, not more people to join in. I'll show why by adding some emphasis.
KrO2 wrote:There were a couple of other possibilities, like the lyncher left the game after winning and the Jabberwock was just the flavor, or the Beaver had a retaliatory kill that would be used if he was lynched, but those were both nixed by seeing their win conditions and powers. So, yeah, it's probably just the worst-case scenario being annoyingly true.
It was probably unnecessary to bring those up, since they had already been ruled out, but I was just saying that there are theoretical answers that don't involve two anti-town kills even if I can't think of any that are still possible.

Ah, my bad. I didn't bother to read though what I had already once getting home. See my error with the flavor as well, thought the jobberwock had carried the lynch kill out as well. I need to stop posting stuff from my phone.

unvote

Since it was a reading comprehension fail on my part.

by **UniqueScreenname** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:21 am UTC

Not for me. If they weren't possible, then they can't really be theoretical, since you're trying to figure out what actually happened. So, mentioning stuff that isn't possible looks a lot like trying to minimize the actual possibilities. Or is this supposed to be where you say a lot of stuff and I'm not supposed to be able to interpret it?

by **mpolo** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 8:09 am UTC

Votals

KrO2 (1): wam

5 to lynch. Deadline on Thursday unless an extension is requested and granted.

by **ParSetHis** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:04 am UTC

I don't think kro2 is scum. I think it's more suspicious that a few players want to lynch him so quickly.

Vote: wam

by **fshfood** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 6:01 pm UTC

I really would like to hear from Alekusandorosu and SOC/Eculc replacement before the deadline.

I really hate that the CJ/Snark thing took up all of D1 and left us with no scum hits, and no cop/power results to discuss.

I think wam has been doing a lot of active lurking. His votes have been "agree" and "me too" types, and there has been very little content from him. It seems that KrO2 is being helpful in town scum-hunting. Lataro is also being helpful (do I need to worry about that, lol?). US isn't acting scummy. ParSetHis seems to be trying (and I know she is new).

So, since we are coming up on deadline, and wam seems to be the most scummy to me right now based on the lurking and lack of content:

vote: wam

by **Lataro** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 7:25 pm UTC

Truthfully, I don't like that wam has maintained their vote with nothing further. When he quoted me and said, "ditto" then he was agreeing with my reading comp. fail, and hasn't commented back since that was made clear. Until wam got a vote on him, KrO2 looked like a likely lynch since deadline was at hand, and thus, anti-town would have no reason to remove the vote.

That said, lurkers are posing a problem here. we need something to go on with those two, and neither has made a single post this game day, except SoC's "I'm here" post.

Presumably, we have 2-3 mafia, and a SK on our hands. Right now I'm looking at the following:

Town
fshfood
USN
ParSetHis
ahammel
Eculc/SoC
Alekusandorosu
wam
Scum

wam for this vote issue more than anything. It looks like trying to jump on an easy lynch, and when the mistake is pointed out, he hasn't come back to comment or anything, reeks of waiting til deadline without further word for the easy kill. Alekusandorosu's and Eculc/SoC made me uncomfortable yesterday, since it felt like I was being followed, with those two using my reasoning for my vote as their own, Alek even making a purely "me too" vote. This feels like scum looking for townie points. ahammel I'm pretty neutral on, and after this beaver incident was sorted out, I trust ParSetHis more. USN and fshfood haven't been pinging me at all, and I feel pretty good about them.

I'd like wam to get on here and either defend their maintaining of their vote, and tell us who they think we should lynch instead of them. As wam has two votes on him, I'll not be voting just yet, so as to prevent things from getting to the point where we can't turn this lynch around in time, if we need to.

Alek and SoC, please post some content here, you are lurky, and you haven't exactly been townie in my eyes up until now.

by **mpolo** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 8:29 pm UTC

I have prodded Alekusandorosu

by **Servant-of_Christ** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:38 pm UTC

I've never played with alek before does he lurk a lot? it may mean scum. Not sure about wam.

by **UniqueScreenname** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:42 pm UTC

Analysis time - Part Two!! Sorry for all the marks, but I really wanted to leave everything there.

1. Snark - ~~claimed Butcher, looking for Beaver. I have no reason to doubt the claim so far, but I'm keeping my eyes open. Also claims a type of NK immunity (could be lying). Fishy, but not unordinarily so.~~ Indy lyncher/half-town

2. Wam - ~~two posts. In one he votes for Snark and the other agrees with Lataro. Very little content, plus a bit more aggressive than usual.~~ Still not a lot of content. Votes for KrO2 using Lataro's reasoning. Scum. Although I don't disagree with the person being voted for, he looks like he's jumping on a bandwagon and has put almost zero content forth for the entire game.

3. fshfood - ~~one post. No content. I don't remember her lurking like this in other games.~~ Less content than usual (although I am guilty of that also). What has been posted has been towny. Leaning town

5. ahammel - ~~joke votes Snark, unvotes, votes Aleks, votes cjquines. A bit vote happy, but I don't think any have been without decent reasoning (except for the obvious)~~ lots of one- or two-line posts; explanation about not caring about a beaver lyncher seemed sound, but only came after Beaver outed himself, and therefore lost any helpful potential - Neutral. He's flying a bit under the radar. Not sure what to think of that right now.

6. Servant-of_Christ - mostly no content and then states all dangerous creatures will be considered Snarks, which causes a mod clarification. Much speculation of a Snark-distinguishing power role. At first I thought he could be trying to false soft claim a cop role, but that only makes sense if the clarification came from him and not mpolo. So I feel I'm forced to go with what's most likely. Cop turned zombie

7. Lataro - ~~game spec, votes cjquines, more talk about cjquines, specs power role from SoC. Somewhat aggro, but again, seems to have some justification. Never played with him before. Is he usually aggro?~~ Votes for KrO2, unvotes KrO2, votes for wam. I agree with reasoning about wam, but I think backed off KrO2 a bit too easily. Maybe say what he considered different after KrO2's explanation. Neutral

8. Alekusandorosu - seems to jump on a bandwagon voting for cjquines. Claims he agreed with Lataro's reasoning, but there was a section of his poem post that said if everyone played like cj, the game would obliterate. To me that sort of seems like wanting to vote on principle rather than actual scumminess. I don't know whether he really meant it or just used it for a rhyme though. LURKING!!!! And never responded to the first part of this. Leaning scum

9. Eculc/SoC - ~~not feeling anything. Small posts, but I wouldn't call them contentless.~~ Still nothing. Decent reasons for voting how he did. Not much else. I want a lot more content. Neutral

10. ParSetHis - ~~Newb. Sigh. I will say, for a newb, he's doing better than would be expected. However, I'm struggling to understand what he says and his content is less than satisfactory.~~ Honestly, best first-timer ever. Probably should have listened to her more, since that post about Snark possibly being a lyncher was the right on the money. Only one post today though, so I want more content from you, too. Leaning town

11. KrO2 - seems to have a Magneto-like thought protecting helmet. I can almost never read him. Lots of game spec. FoS'd eculc. Asking for opinions more than stating his own. I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO THINK ABOUT THAT AND IT FRUSTRATES ME!!!!! A decent lead finally! Calling obviously impossible scenarios possibilities I only see as spreading wine. No other content today. Leaning scum.

12. cjquines - ~~playing jester again. If it's his meta, then I don't know if we have anything to worry about. If he only does it if he's scum, I think that's a strong scumtell.~~ Beaver - protected from icebergs

The obvious problem with this is that wam is voting for KrO2, and I consider both of them to be scummy. My thoughts are the vote came at a pretty early time in the day, with something that seemed like it could be easily explained away, so early bussing move? In any case, wam's actions have been way more scummy across the board. I suppose it's always possible that I'm wrong about KrO2.

Vote: wam

Note: we're now at L-2.

by **UniqueScreenname** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:51 pm UTC

Meant to add Alekus can lurk. He's still a bit new, but has been doing better than this.

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