What-If 0051: "Free Fall"

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What-If 0051: "Free Fall"

Postby Quicksilver » Tue Jun 25, 2013 7:54 am UTC

Free Fall

What place on Earth would allow you to freefall the longest by jumping off it? What about using a squirrel suit?
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I was kind of hoping for an MC Hammer fall (Hammerfell?) or Batman reference, but this would be interesting to watch.

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Re: What-If 0051: "Free Fall"

Postby Klear » Tue Jun 25, 2013 8:20 am UTC

Weirdest world record? I think eating hotdogs in freefall doesn't come even close...

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Re: What-If 0051: "Free Fall"

Postby Azkyroth » Tue Jun 25, 2013 8:20 am UTC

...but the questioner said "FREE fall." Surely some of those places require permit fees to access?

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Re: What-If 0051: "Free Fall"

Postby solune » Tue Jun 25, 2013 8:43 am UTC

Azkyroth wrote:...but the questioner said "FREE fall." Surely some of those places require permit fees to access?


The only above ground place on earth where you can get without a visa is Antarctica, and I'm not even sure about that.
An iceberg in international waters should be fine though.

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Re: What-If 0051: "Free Fall"

Postby Red Hal » Tue Jun 25, 2013 1:57 pm UTC

I beg to differ. I can access all European countries, many SE Asian countries and commonwealth countries without a visa. I can also visit the U.S. under their visa waiver program.
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Re: What-If 0051: "Free Fall"

Postby yellow103 » Tue Jun 25, 2013 2:23 pm UTC

Does sinking count as free fall? It is still a fluid.
Then you get into all sorts of underwater things, such as tight rope walking the Marianas Trench

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Re: What-If 0051: "Free Fall"

Postby drewder » Tue Jun 25, 2013 3:30 pm UTC

So is Everest just not steep enough?

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Re: What-If 0051: "Free Fall"

Postby Klear » Tue Jun 25, 2013 4:29 pm UTC

yellow103 wrote:Does sinking count as free fall? It is still a fluid.
Then you get into all sorts of underwater things, such as tight rope walking the Marianas Trench


If that was the case, and you defined the end of the "fall" as reaching the bottom, you could make the longest free fall in any swimming pool.

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Re: What-If 0051: "Free Fall"

Postby Copper Bezel » Tue Jun 25, 2013 4:36 pm UTC

Oh, now that's interesting. So even in this case, it's not "free fall" in the scientific sense.
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Re: What-If 0051: "Free Fall"

Postby rhomboidal » Tue Jun 25, 2013 4:52 pm UTC

Now I'm imagining that when Dean Potter BASE jumped off that mountain in Switzerland, he was hollering RICOLAAAAAAAAAAAAAA all the way down.

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Re: What-If 0051: "Free Fall"

Postby JBJ » Tue Jun 25, 2013 5:35 pm UTC

drewder wrote:So is Everest just not steep enough?

Steep enough for a wingsuit. But the Everest jumper only fell 1,270 meters, for about the same vertical descent as Mt. Thor mentioned in the What-If. Problem is that while Everest is the highest point above sea level, all the terrain around Everest is also at a high altitude.
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Re: What-If 0051: "Free Fall"

Postby netcrusher88 » Tue Jun 25, 2013 9:12 pm UTC

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Re: What-If 0051: "Free Fall"

Postby bouer » Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:29 pm UTC

JBJ wrote:
drewder wrote:So is Everest just not steep enough?

Steep enough for a wingsuit. But the Everest jumper only fell 1,270 meters, for about the same vertical descent as Mt. Thor mentioned in the What-If. Problem is that while Everest is the highest point above sea level, all the terrain around Everest is also at a high altitude.


But the Everest jumper only fell 1,270 meters


only fell 1 270 meters


I don't think you know what "only" means.

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Re: What-If 0051: "Free Fall"

Postby CharlieP » Wed Jun 26, 2013 8:13 am UTC

Curiously enough, a BASE jumper friend of mine just sent me this video:

http://vimeo.com/69010781

"June 8 2013, The Vercors BASE Team opened a new exit point on the Point Durier in the Mt Blanc Massif. It is now possibly the world's biggest BASE jump, with 3000m (9,840 feet) of flyable altitude from a natural cliff exit."
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Re: What-If 0051: "Free Fall"

Postby Bloopy » Wed Jun 26, 2013 9:00 am UTC

These 'squirrel suit' things were more impressive in my head. :wink:

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Re: What-If 0051: "Free Fall"

Postby Euphonium » Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:38 pm UTC

Really disappointed that there was no Clint Eastwood mention.

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Re: What-If 0051: "Free Fall"

Postby amanqa » Wed Jun 26, 2013 8:11 pm UTC

I'm really going for the most mature contribution to this thread: I wanted to point out that "Nanga Parbat", the mountain in Pakistan, loosely translates to "Mount Naked". Okay, that is all.

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Re: What-If 0051: "Free Fall"

Postby tibfulv » Wed Jun 26, 2013 8:55 pm UTC

More chess-daring, I see.

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Re: What-If 0051: "Free Fall"

Postby Eshru » Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:58 pm UTC

Somebody needs to add a tail and ears to their wingsuit, that's all I'm sure of...

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Re: What-If 0051: "Free Fall"

Postby KarenRei » Thu Jun 27, 2013 9:45 am UTC

Just wanted to mention that at Nanga Parbat, one could potentially go a *lot* further than 4.600 meters. That's the Rupal face to the south. But the Rakhiot Flank to the north drops 7.000 meters in 25 kilometers, or a glide ratio of about 3,5 to 1. Wingsuits are starting to push this sort of boundary. That'd be a pretty darn hard record to beat!

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Re: What-If 0051: "Free Fall"

Postby Twinkelz » Fri Jun 28, 2013 6:44 am UTC

I remember reading somewhere -- regarding the AAAAAAAAAAAAA -- that most people falling do not really scream. You're generally just too busy falling to your death to remember making a sound. Also: your mouth is full of air pushing in.

The screams usually come from the people watching.

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Re: What-If 0051: "Free Fall"

Postby peewee_RotA » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:31 pm UTC

Regarding the cotton candy landing.

The Mythbusters definitely touched on that
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qoful50H9Cw


In this episode they go over a lot of materials and their viability for breaking a fall.
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Re: What-If 0051: "Free Fall"

Postby karger » Mon Jul 01, 2013 10:14 pm UTC

This what-if feels unfinished because it takes account of air resistance but doesn't take account of air movement. The post suggests that you can limit descent to 18 meters per second. This implies that with an 18m/s updraft (40 miles/hour, which seems quite reasonable) you could fly forever.

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Re: What-If 0051: "Free Fall"

Postby CharlieP » Tue Jul 02, 2013 10:26 am UTC

peewee_RotA wrote:Regarding the cotton candy landing.

The Mythbusters definitely touched on that
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qoful50H9Cw


In this episode they go over a lot of materials and their viability for breaking a fall.


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Re: What-If 0051: "Free Fall"

Postby ghreat » Sun Aug 25, 2013 11:34 pm UTC

For starters, it's enough time to get all the way through the original Super Mario World 1-1, assuming you have perfect timing and take the shortcut through the pipe.


Great as always, but I found a small typo here. The link points to a speed run of Super Mario Bros 1-1, not Super Mario World 1-1.

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I interpreted "Super Mario World" as a reference to the game for SNES / Super Famicom platform. Another interpretation could've been to read it as World 1-1 of the game "Super Mario", which to the best of my knowledge doesn't exist. The least ambiguous way might be to write "... through World 1-1 of the original Super Mario Bros, assuming ...".
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Re: What-If 0051: "Free Fall"

Postby phlip » Mon Aug 26, 2013 2:43 am UTC

ghreat wrote:
For starters, it's enough time to get all the way through the original Super Mario World 1-1, assuming you have perfect timing and take the shortcut through the pipe.


Great as always, but I found a small typo here. The link points to a speed run of Super Mario Bros 1-1, not Super Mario World 1-1.

Not so much "wrong" as ambiguous and misleading... mainly from abbreviating "Super Mario Bros" as just "Super Mario"... like, if it was reworded from "Super Mario World 1-1" to "World 1-1 of Super Mario" then it would be a lot less ambiguous how it was supposed to be read...

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Re: What-If 0051: "Free Fall"

Postby mathmannix » Thu Aug 29, 2013 1:53 pm UTC

...except that (as long as we're being pedantic) wasn't all of {1-1, 1-2, 1-3, 1-4} one World (i.e. World 1), and the individual {1-1} a Level ? So under this notation, it should read

... through the original Super Mario Level 1-1 ...


BTW, this notation is supported by the wiki.
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Re: What-If 0051: "Free Fall"

Postby phlip » Fri Aug 30, 2013 2:51 am UTC

Maybe that's what the fans (and the later games) call it, but, in SMB itself, the title card for the level and the ingame status bar both definitely say "World 1-1". Maybe that' supposed to be read as "{World 1} - 1", ie part 1 of World 1, but the construction is still valid.

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Re: What-If 0051: "Free Fall"

Postby CharlieP » Fri Aug 30, 2013 9:13 am UTC

solune wrote:
Azkyroth wrote:...but the questioner said "FREE fall." Surely some of those places require permit fees to access?


The only above ground place on earth where you can get without a visa is Antarctica, and I'm not even sure about that.


Not so - pretty much any land on Earth is accessible without a visa if you're a local. :D
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Re: What-If 0051: "Free Fall"

Postby Llanddcairfyn » Fri Sep 12, 2014 12:48 pm UTC

So quite a few people are discussing the meaning of "free" (damn double meanings) and nobody mentions the fact that River Tam is semi-quoted in the chapter? Harsh ;)


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