Eternal Density wrote:
glasnt wrote:This must be a US politics reference. I have no comeback.
Instead, hi joee.
Apparently birds have something to do with
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deficits in America. *shrugs* Or perhaps hawks specifically have something to do with politics in general?
Before the American civil war, there were people who were ready to murder to decide whether kansas would have slavery or not. The murderers who were against slavery were called jayhawkers. It started out with jayhawkers only attacking people who owned slaves and the equivalent southern groups only attacking people who opposed slavery, but as things got worse both groups wound up taking what they needed from anybody who had it.
After the war, there was enough hard feeling that people in kansas who had supported the south tended to leave or at least change their names, and over time "jayhawker" came to be used to describe anybody who considered himself a kansas citizen.
Later, the Wizard of Oz stories included a girl who came from kansas to the magical land of Oz, complete with witches, wizards, munchkins, flying monkeys, etc. The girl says to her little dog, "I don't think we're in kansas any more, Toto". The people of kansas are considered to be plainspeaking no-nonsense types who don't hold with witchcraft or flying monkeys. And so the jayhawker label evolved from fanatical idealists who turn into simple murderers and thieves, to plain common-sense people.
When the USA fell into controversy about the vietnam war, warhawks were plainspeaking no-nonsense types who said that when we get in a war we have to do whatever it takes to win it, and never give up until it is completely won. They said that we were in a generations-long war against international communism and we had to push the communists back wherever they infiltrated. Meanwhile the doves said it was the wrong war at the wrong time and we needed to cut our losses.
Now deficit-hawks are plainspeaking no-nonsense types who say that the USA should not have deficits, that the US government should never spend more than it collects in taxes, that we should pay off the national debt until it's gone and never go into debt again.
The "hawk" label is always applied to Republican fanatics and conservative fanatics, never to Democrat fanatics or liberal fanatics. And the connotation that they have lost their ideals and devolved into common thieves seems to be mostly missing from the label, though often people say that independent of the "hawk" word.
The Law of Fives is true. I see it everywhere I look for it.