1179: "ISO 8601"

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Re: 1179: "ISO 8601"

Postby WhiteDragon » Wed May 01, 2013 7:18 pm UTC

I'm surprised no one posted the date as:

Sweetmorn, Discord 13, YOLD 3179

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Re: 1179: "ISO 8601"

Postby orthogon » Thu May 02, 2013 9:11 am UTC

CantWaitForEy wrote:
futnuh wrote:So, for example, 'A' for January, 'B' for February, …, up to 'L' for December.


We definitely need to rename the months. At least two of them are named after Roman emperors, what's up with that. So I propose that everybody should use, for the sake of simplicity:

Ajuary, Bebruary, Carch, Dapril, Ey, Fune, Guly, Haugust, Iptember, Joctober, Kovember, Lecember

Or shorten them right away:

Ajy, Beby, Carch, Dap, Ey, Fun, Gul, Hau, Ipt, Joc, Kov, Lec

Then everything is in order and nobody will get confused any more. Optimal solution!

I've used Carch and Dapril for my last two monthly reports. So far my Project Manager doesn't seem to have noticed, but I doubt that either "Ey" or "Emy" will slip past him. I might try "Emay", though it's not as satisfactory.
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Re: 1179: "ISO 8601"

Postby Klear » Thu May 02, 2013 9:39 am UTC

WhiteDragon wrote:I'm surprised no one posted the date as:

Sweetmorn, Discord 13, YOLD 3179


I'm pretty sure i've seen this in at least 3 posts in this thread...

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Re: 1179: "ISO 8601"

Postby orthogon » Thu May 02, 2013 12:58 pm UTC

Klear wrote:
WhiteDragon wrote:I'm surprised no one posted the date as:

Sweetmorn, Discord 13, YOLD 3179


I'm pretty sure i've seen this in at least 3 posts in this thread...

Indeed, although those posters actually used the date in the comic, which was apparently Chaos 58. I'm not sure where Discord 13, which is 27th March according to this, comes into things. Is WhiteDragon perhaps a member of a breakaway Discordian faction which reckons the calendar differently?
xtifr wrote:... and orthogon merely sounds undecided.

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Re: 1179: "ISO 8601"

Postby WhiteDragon » Thu May 02, 2013 5:46 pm UTC

orthogon wrote:
Klear wrote:
WhiteDragon wrote:I'm surprised no one posted the date as:

Sweetmorn, Discord 13, YOLD 3179


I'm pretty sure i've seen this in at least 3 posts in this thread...

Indeed, although those posters actually used the date in the comic, which was apparently Chaos 58. I'm not sure where Discord 13, which is 27th March according to this, comes into things. Is WhiteDragon perhaps a member of a breakaway Discordian faction which reckons the calendar differently?

oh, 2 27, I typed 3, oops.

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Re: 1179: "ISO 8601"

Postby Helper » Thu May 02, 2013 10:09 pm UTC

If we start posting outside of the OTT, will we get banned?
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Re: 1179: "ISO 8601"

Postby Valarya » Thu May 02, 2013 10:26 pm UTC

Helper wrote:If we start posting outside of the OTT, will we get banned?


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Re: 1179: "ISO 8601"

Postby Helper » Thu May 02, 2013 10:35 pm UTC

Valarya wrote:
Helper wrote:If we start posting outside of the OTT, will we get banned?


This isn't reality, Helper. Come baaaaack

There's something disconcerting about the combination of 'baaaaa' and your location of 'Nashville'.
NoEdge wrote:Outside? Is that like Mesopotamia? Isn't Mesopotamia gone? Has Outside been destroyed without our noticing?!
Oh well. At least we still have our sandcastle.


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Re: 1179: "ISO 8601"

Postby vvn » Fri May 03, 2013 2:34 am UTC

Helper wrote:If we start posting outside of the OTT, will we get banned?

There is nothing outside. We are just sharing a dream.

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Re: 1179: "ISO 8601"

Postby Helper » Fri May 03, 2013 10:23 pm UTC

vvn wrote:
Helper wrote:If we start posting outside of the OTT, will we get banned?

There is nothing outside. We are just sharing a dream.

If you get banned in a dream, do you get banned in real life?
NoEdge wrote:Outside? Is that like Mesopotamia? Isn't Mesopotamia gone? Has Outside been destroyed without our noticing?!
Oh well. At least we still have our sandcastle.


NoEdge wrote:Maybe it's fire. The world is burning. It's dark behind me. Maybe the fires have been put out. Maybe it's all gone.

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Re: 1179: "ISO 8601"

Postby MTGradwell » Sat May 04, 2013 9:22 am UTC

maxmaxmaxmax wrote:.. and how could he not follow his own damn rule in the title text?

I suspect that this and all the similar complaints are missing the point. And that point may be as simple as "EVERYBODY fails to follow the rule", but I think it's more than that.
My guess is that the alt text is an exact quotation from somewhere, maybe from an official ISO document.
Googling for the exact text "ISO 8601 was published on 06/05/88 and most recently amended on 12/01/04." results in about 9500 hits. Maybe somewhere in that haystack there's the needle which pre-dates the comic, but I'm not sure how I'd find out without searching through all 9500-or-so hits. Like so many things on the internet which result in thousands or even millions of hits, there was a brief window of opportunity when it might have been possible to locate the original source with ease, but that window has long since passed.

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Re: 1179: "ISO 8601"

Postby Klear » Sat May 04, 2013 11:29 am UTC

You can filter google results by date, you know. It didn't work as well as I'd hoped, but adding -xkcd did the trick. It doesn't seem to be copied from anywhere on the internet.

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Re: 1179: "ISO 8601"

Postby orthogon » Sat May 04, 2013 11:55 am UTC

You can see that the ISO itself might have had a slight problem. They either had to wait until the standard was published before adopting it for their own use, so the first published version would use an existing house style and have non-ISO-compliant dates; or they had to anticipate the standard in time to change the templates etc., which I imagine is quite an undertaking in itself and might have to be re-done if the standard was not finally ratified. I would have a look at the real thing but it costs an eye-watering 134 CHF. (Come to think of it, this could be one reason why it doesn't get used much.

ISO: Hey everyone, from now on you have to write dates in this great new way we've come up with.
The world: OK, great, what way is that?
ISO: Give us 134CHF and we'll tell you.
The world: Or we could just carry on the way we've been doing it?
ISO: Yeah, we're a voluntary standards organisation, so...
The world: OK. Laters.
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Re: 1179: "ISO 8601"

Postby orthogon » Sat Jun 01, 2013 3:18 pm UTC

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I came here to post that my monthly report for Ey went completely unremarked upon, when I noticed that I'd left a parenthesis unmatched for four weeks.
xtifr wrote:... and orthogon merely sounds undecided.

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Re: 1179: "ISO 8601"

Postby bbgun06 » Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:32 pm UTC

In the Army we usually use DD MMM YY because it's unambiguous. However many official forms require DDMMYYYY. The most egregious of all is what is used on Operation Orders for some reason: 280900L062013 or 101027Z022013. No spaces, hyphens or slashes are allowed. I cringe every time I see that. It was difficult just to type those two examples.

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Re: 1179: "ISO 8601"

Postby mathmannix » Thu Jul 11, 2013 1:07 pm UTC

bbgun06 wrote:In the Army we usually use DD MMM YY because it's unambiguous. However many official forms require DDMMYYYY. The most egregious of all is what is used on Operation Orders for some reason: 280900L062013 or 101027Z022013. No spaces, hyphens or slashes are allowed. I cringe every time I see that. It was difficult just to type those two examples.


I'm not sure what army you are in, but in the U.S. Army the standard for forms is YYYYMMDD. (EDIT: Reference, see instructions for Block 2.) Very logical, even surprisingly so, especially when followed immediately by HHMMSS.
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Re: 1179: "ISO 8601"

Postby PaulLambeth » Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:34 am UTC

mathmannix wrote:
bbgun06 wrote:In the Army we usually use DD MMM YY because it's unambiguous. However many official forms require DDMMYYYY. The most egregious of all is what is used on Operation Orders for some reason: 280900L062013 or 101027Z022013. No spaces, hyphens or slashes are allowed. I cringe every time I see that. It was difficult just to type those two examples.


I'm not sure what army you are in, but in the U.S. Army the standard is YYYYMMDD. Very logical, even surprisingly so, especially when followed immediately by HHMMSS.


I mentally pronounce HHMMSS like 'hummus'.

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Re: 1179: "ISO 8601"

Postby danix » Tue Mar 04, 2014 7:12 pm UTC

Okay. So I've known for quite some time that Japan uses the ISO 8601 system, which makes sense. But the Mt. Gox site now has a disclaimer written in Japanese (and translated to English) showing something that is indeed an ISO 8601 format date … but the year is off.

平成26年2月28日

Huh? Did the Japanese reset the year count in 1988? Did I miss something? :shock:

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Re: 1179: "ISO 8601"

Postby brenok » Tue Mar 04, 2014 7:59 pm UTC

danix wrote:Okay. So I've known for quite some time that Japan uses the ISO 8601 system, which makes sense. But the Mt. Gox site now has a disclaimer written in Japanese (and translated to English) showing something that is indeed an ISO 8601 format date … but the year is off.

平成26年2月28日

Huh? Did the Japanese reset the year count in 1988? Did I miss something? :shock:

Japanese years are based on the reign of the Emperor. We are on the Heisei era, the previous was the Showa.

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Re: 1179: "ISO 8601"

Postby satyen » Tue Feb 03, 2015 7:50 pm UTC

It's important to distinguish "correct" from "compliant". Just because something is not strictly RFC-compliant, doesn't mean it should be considered incorrect. There are lots of contexts where loose compliance is fine (especially when a human brain is the interpreter), and many implentations when legacy is desirable. For example, except when editing a DNS zonefile, how often do you see anyone include the trailing dot in a URL or a domain name they type in a webbrowser?


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