## 1189: "Voyager 1"

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### Re: 1189: "Voyager 1"

orthogon wrote:
DanD wrote:I caught it at Heaviside Layer, because I actually recognized that one as terrestrial, not systemic.

And part of the reason Voyager keeps leaving the solar system is that it keeps finding things further out that can be defined as the edge.

Oliver Heaviside seems to have been quite a guy.
I always thought that Heaviside Step Function H(x) should have a counterpart L(x)=H(-x) which should be known as the Lightside step function.
Then what's the Darkside Step Function?
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### Re: 1189: "Voyager 1"

Eternal Density wrote:
orthogon wrote:
DanD wrote:I caught it at Heaviside Layer, because I actually recognized that one as terrestrial, not systemic.

And part of the reason Voyager keeps leaving the solar system is that it keeps finding things further out that can be defined as the edge.

Oliver Heaviside seems to have been quite a guy.
I always thought that Heaviside Step Function H(x) should have a counterpart L(x)=H(-x) which should be known as the Lightside step function.
Then what's the Darkside Step Function?

Excellent question. I guess D(x)=-L(x)=-H(-x).

That leaves one more function, -H(x), to complete the set. I will award an internet to the best name for this function.
xtifr wrote:... and orthogon merely sounds undecided.

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It's actually a family of functions. But they are all offside.

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I'm sorry for bringing it up, again.
But; This is so funny.

http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov

The heliopause is the Condom.
Voyager is In the Condom.

The drawing of the Heliosphere coupled with some of the clips is funny.
Very Funny. Most of what is inside the Heliosphere stays inside the Heliosphere.

One of The Boys is going to get through?!

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This comic is unfair. No one knows where the true edge of the solar system is so every boundary is significant and exciting. If anyone is interested Radiolab produced a great podcast that included this theme. I can't post the link here because the site thinks it's spam so instead search radiolab space.

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Atticus78 wrote:This comic is unfair. No one knows where the true edge of the solar system is so every boundary is significant and exciting. If anyone is interested Radiolab produced a great podcast that included this theme. I can't post the link here because the site thinks it's spam so instead search radiolab space.

Is this the link you want?
What episode is related?

EDIT: HEY! What is that?
Is this Science supporting Religion?
Is this Religion explain Science?

(shrug.)

What?! The Comic is unfair? How?
The comic is funny.

Unfair? To who or what?
Heliopause is the Galaxies effort at keeping us in.
The Heliopause Condom is being breached.

I don't know who to root for.
Go! Go little guy!
or
Damn. The Heliopause may stop it, yet.
Tighten up that plasma! One is getting through!
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### Re: 1189: "Voyager 1"

Atticus78 wrote:This comic is unfair. No one knows where the true edge of the solar system is so every boundary is significant and exciting. If anyone is interested Radiolab produced a great podcast that included this theme. I can't post the link here because the site thinks it's spam so instead search radiolab space.

Is this the link you want?
...
What episode is related?

EDIT: HEY! What is that?
Is this Science supporting Religion?
Is this Religion explain Science?

(shrug.)

What?! The Comic is unfair? How?
The comic is funny.

Unfair? To who or what?
Heliopause is the Galaxies effort at keeping us in.
The Heliopause Condom is being breached.

I don't know who to root for.
Go! Go little guy!
or
Damn. The Heliopause may stop it, yet.
Tighten up that plasma! One is getting through!

No that's not the link I want. Obviously that has nothing to do with the topic. There are actually two Radiolab podcasts that are relevant. I still can't post even a partial link, but the title of the first is Space and talks about the golden record they put on Voyager 1. The other is entitled Escape! This was the one I was thinking of when I originally posted. It discusses Voyager 1 leaving the solar system.

I understand that it's supposed to be in jest, but the comic feels mean spirited to me. It appears to be making fun of the folks actually studying this and trying to determine where the edge is. I guess I interpreted it differently.

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### Re: 1189: "Voyager 1"

Atticus78 wrote:
Atticus78 wrote:This comic is unfair. No one knows where the true edge of the solar system is so every boundary is significant and exciting. If anyone is interested Radiolab produced a great podcast that included this theme. I can't post the link here because the site thinks it's spam so instead search radiolab space.

Is this the link you want?
...
What episode is related?

EDIT: HEY! What is that?
Is this Science supporting Religion?
Is this Religion explain Science?

(shrug.)

What?! The Comic is unfair? How?
The comic is funny.

Unfair? To who or what?
Heliopause is the Galaxies effort at keeping us in.
The Heliopause Condom is being breached.

I don't know who to root for.
Go! Go little guy!
or
Damn. The Heliopause may stop it, yet.
Tighten up that plasma! One is getting through!

No that's not the link I want. Obviously that has nothing to do with the topic. There are actually two Radiolab podcasts that are relevant. I still can't post even a partial link, but the title of the first is Space and talks about the golden record they put on Voyager 1. The other is entitled Escape! This was the one I was thinking of when I originally posted. It discusses Voyager 1 leaving the solar system.

I understand that it's supposed to be in jest, but the comic feels mean spirited to me. It appears to be making fun of the folks actually studying this and trying to determine where the edge is. I guess I interpreted it differently.

Here is another try.
The first part is a Heartbreaking Human Story.
The next part is about The Heavens.
Good Old Physics. At 37 min Voyager and the Pale Blue Dot are talked about.

Is this what you wanted? It is something.

The Infinite Monkey Cage is Good, too.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00snr0w

Spoiler:
The Monkey Cage is funny. Really funny.
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In his article, Jeffrey Kluger mentions many of the zones in the alt text. To me it's a little comical.

The boundary of the solar system is by no means defined by the orbit of the last planet or even the more remote Kuiper Belt and Oort Cloud, the vast swarm of icy bodies that lie at an even further remove. Rather, it’s defined by the heliosphere, the vast windstorm of charged particles that stream outward from the sun. The end of the helioshere is known as the heliosheath—where the outward-streaming charged particles bump up against the inward streaming particles of deep space and come to a stop, and where the lines of solar magnetism change their orientation to match those of interstellar space.

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Looks like another tick mark needs to be added: Voyager 1 really has left the Solar System…probably

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No no, they really mean it this time.

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In one of the main Brazilian news sites, the article has the following subtitle: "It's the very first time this happens in history"

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The BBC have caught the story: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-24026153

I was going to see if anyone had sent a tweet to the chap who wrote it when I found that his penultimate post linked to an article on capitalisation, perhaps that's why he didn't mention XKCD [sic].

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yep...

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My friend, in complete seriousness, linked me the story as reported by NY Times http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/13/scien ... wanted=all

So I linked her the XKCD comic.

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Voyager is cool. Whether you want to describe it as 'leaving the solar system', 'reaching interstellar space' or 'passing through the heliopause', it is a great achievement.

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2013/ ... ar-system/

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My question is whether there's another significant barrier after this one, short of the distant day when voyager is closer to another star than it is to ours.

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oort cloud, perhaps, if you want to call this a barrier. and if it exists.

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### Re: 1189: "Voyager 1"

orthogon wrote:
Eternal Density wrote:
orthogon wrote:
DanD wrote:I caught it at Heaviside Layer, because I actually recognized that one as terrestrial, not systemic.

And part of the reason Voyager keeps leaving the solar system is that it keeps finding things further out that can be defined as the edge.

Oliver Heaviside seems to have been quite a guy.
I always thought that Heaviside Step Function H(x) should have a counterpart L(x)=H(-x) which should be known as the Lightside step function.
Then what's the Darkside Step Function?

Excellent question. I guess D(x)=-L(x)=-H(-x).

That leaves one more function, -H(x), to complete the set. I will award an internet to the best name for this function.

The Flipside Step Function.
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### Re: 1189: "Voyager 1"

orthogon wrote:
Eternal Density wrote:
orthogon wrote:
DanD wrote:I caught it at Heaviside Layer, because I actually recognized that one as terrestrial, not systemic.

And part of the reason Voyager keeps leaving the solar system is that it keeps finding things further out that can be defined as the edge.

Oliver Heaviside seems to have been quite a guy.
I always thought that Heaviside Step Function H(x) should have a counterpart L(x)=H(-x) which should be known as the Lightside step function.
Then what's the Darkside Step Function?

Excellent question. I guess D(x)=-L(x)=-H(-x).

That leaves one more function, -H(x), to complete the set. I will award an internet to the best name for this function.

The Pharcyde Step Function?

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Serious question: How many tally marks should there be? How many different instances of Voyager 1 "leaving the solar system" have actually been reported?

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WibblyWobbly wrote:
orthogon wrote:That leaves one more function, -H(x), to complete the set. I will award an internet to the best name for this function.

The Pharcyde Step Function?

Carlington wrote:The Flipside Step Function.

You wait five months for an answer, then two come along at once. (I enjoyed jose/ucim's contribution, but didn't consider it because it didn't address the question directly).

They are both excellent suggestions: the "Pharcyde Step Function" gains credit for cultural reference and transgressive orthography, whilst "The Flipside Step Function" has an elegant and timeless simplicity to it.

I can't choose between them, so the winner of the internet will be decided by one round of "rock, paper, scissors". Please PM me your choice of weapon by Tuesday, 2013-09-17@2359UTC.
xtifr wrote:... and orthogon merely sounds undecided.

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[I'm going to doublepost this after all otherwise it will languish at the bottom of the forum - it's been four days, after all...]

Well, the results are in, and it's been an exciting and eventful contest....

Carlington chose thusly:
Spoiler:
Carlington wrote:Scissore.
(I think it's Italian.)

WibblyWobbly went with:
Spoiler:
WibblyWobbly wrote:

That's right folks, I'm afraid the deadline passed without an entry from WibblyWobbly.

However, there was an unexpected twist:

Spoiler:

Yes: I failed to state explicitly that the contest would be between Carlington and WibblyWobbly. Fortunately, Carlington's scissore beat addams's paper so the point was moot.

I therefore award the internet to Carlington, and hereby name the function -H(x) the Flipside Step Function. May the FSM bless her and all that respond to her.
xtifr wrote:... and orthogon merely sounds undecided.

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Cool. =)

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Woo, an Internet. Just, when you say her, are you meaning me, or...?
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Carlington wrote:Woo, an Internet. Just, when you say her, are you meaning me, or...?

You won.
Scissors cuts paper.

What will it be?
FarSideStep Function
Or; The other one?

FarSideStep. A romanic name.

Names. Such a wonderful idea.
Some people lived a great deal of their lives naming stuff.

Remember that guy? The genius, species, phylum guy? Remember him?
FarSide is more fun. That guy did not have the internet. He was breathing manually.
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Carlington wrote:Woo, an Internet. Just, when you say her, are you meaning me, or...?

Ah, no, sorry, I meant the function herself. I think this is a case of doing too many steps without showing my working, possibly combined with a Britishism. Since I was officially naming a function, I naturally thought of the words used when naming a ship in the UK: "May God bless her and all who sail in her". Substituting "The FSM" for "God" seemed an obvious next step; but I needed to replace "sail in" with verb that could apply to a function. Since step functions are most commonly used in characterising the response of linear systems, I went with "respond to". Finally I considered whether "her" could really apply to a function; to be honest, it doesn't really fit the pattern for English, but on the other hand words cognate with function are feminine in all the European languages I know anything about, so this seemed a good enough excuse to go with it.

I also had ships on my mind on account of this discussion I was having about the parbuckling of the Costa Concordia over on the News & Articles forum. Any ideas from the mass of knowledge and brainpower on this forum would be much appreciated!
xtifr wrote:... and orthogon merely sounds undecided.

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What happened to Voyager 1. (At least, in one timeline.)

http://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/49f9b4b02ce26

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gladiolas wrote:What happened to Voyager 1. (At least, in one timeline.)

http://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/49f9b4b02ce26

While the Encyclopedia Galactica is a respectable book, I will stick with The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, for two important reasons. First, it's slightly cheaper; and secondly it has the words DON'T PANIC printed in large friendly letters on its cover

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Lest it be said that they don't have their finger on the pulse, the Institution of Engineering and Technology (IET) have picked up on the story only three months after it happened!

For further amusement value, the front cover, which is intended to illustrate the "Internet of Everything", shows people, objects and animals labelled with IP addresses. IP4-like addresses, that is. I say IP4-like because one example is "09.782.649.104". The level of technical insight makes my three-figure membership fee seem well worthwhile.

xtifr wrote:... and orthogon merely sounds undecided.

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Voyager 2 can add another checkmark...

Don't bother me with another "Voyager (1 or 2) is leaving the Solar System" story until one exits the Oort Cloud.

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Spoilered for introspective meta-ness:
Spoiler:
Looking back at this page of this thread, it seems my posts were a lot more lighthearted five years ago. Is it just me who's becoming a miserable old git, or was the forum more fun in those days? Or is it just a sampling issue? I worry that the post-2016 world has put me, and possibly others, on a confrontational footing, defaulting to having an argument rather than a laugh. Maybe this -- the resurrection of one's former self -- is the real reason why necroposting is sometimes frowned upon...
xtifr wrote:... and orthogon merely sounds undecided.

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Not spoilered because this forum is as dead as a 150-year old tortoise* and going off-topic shifting topics in the comic threads is familiar territory:

Glancing back it seems I was more prone to arguing before. And I was significantly less informed and subtle, so when I look back I see some smug smart-ass, not a more lighthearted poster. Then again, I was barely an adolescent 5 years ago, whereas you have been old all this time, orthogon.
Regarding your sampling bias: I (biasfully) randomly sampled 1168 and 2039 for you. Neither seems more lighthearted or confrontational or argumentative or laughable or old. Wait, neither message seems older? Curious.

And I'm quite sure the forum was more fun back when the comic was still fresh to both Randall and us readers (definitely me because I only jumped in and when it was still buzzing with activity. Now the forum is so empty the mods don't even feel like celebrating Madness.

By the way, would you pronounce "old git" with a gooney or a genie G?

*that is to say: it's alive and probably will be for another 50 years, but it's really slow and basically a museum exhibit

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Flumble wrote:By the way, would you pronounce "old git" with a gooney or a genie G?

Definitely a hard 'g' as in 'gilt' rather than a soft 'g' as in 'gin'.

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"Git" as in "GIF", obviously!</canofworms>

(Seriously, "Old git"s tend to say "Git off my lawn, you kids!" And, actually, not that far from "get", semantically or by pronunciation, when you drill down into it. )

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Indeed: it's pronounced the same as the version control system. (Originally I assumed that was an unfortunate choice of name, but it turns out that Linus T knew exactly what it meant).
xtifr wrote:... and orthogon merely sounds undecided.

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Flumble wrote:And I'm quite sure the forum was more fun back when the comic was still fresh to both Randall and us readers (definitely me because I only jumped in and when it was still buzzing with activity. Now the forum is so empty the mods don't even feel like celebrating Madness.

Alas, poor Madness. I think it sadly fell to a vocal minority of mud-borne sticks a couple years back, who admonished the mods for being jerk-faces for locking the Time thread (strange ritual surrounds that place, which the lock prevented the observance of) and because a word-filter caused some unfortunate shenanigans on the Serious Business sub-forum, where people were discussing topics arguably too sensitive to be discussing in a place where the bricks of communication are seriously warped for a time each year.
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Archgeek wrote:Alas, poor Madness. I think it sadly fell to a vocal minority of mud-borne sticks a couple years back, who admonished the mods for being jerk-faces for locking the Time thread (strange ritual surrounds that place, which the lock prevented the observance of) and because a word-filter caused some unfortunate shenanigans on the Serious Business sub-forum, where people were discussing topics arguably too sensitive to be discussing in a place where the bricks of communication are seriously warped for a time each year.

Oh, yes, how could I forget about locking Time? That was a point where a lot of people agreed Madness overstepped its bounds. But I see that was the 2014 edition. We've had 2 madnesses since, so I don't think that's been a significant reason. (BTW, the lock persisted for 4 hours, so from the amount of outrage you can tell the forum was quite a bit more active back then.)
As for messing up SB: people who want to seriously discuss serious stuff ought to accept that they have to put their discourse on halt for a week. Unfortunately, it also includes the safe spaces in various boards, and I have no idea how urgent using them can be. If only davean could find a way to exclude certain topics/boards from madness ...and add the bloody forum link to the bloody comic page so we get some bloody fresh meat here.

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Flumble wrote:...get some bloody fresh meat here.

I would say this is madness itself.