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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby mscha » Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:41 pm UTC

BlitzGirl wrote:*Wait. Not weight. No weight-posting, please.

So no posting that the four-toed hedgehog weighs between 250 and 600 gramsH (8.8 and 21 ozH)?

Edit: just in case the previous Page Pope's decree didn't do the job, here's mine: I hereby disband the Page Papacy, without precedent.
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Edit2: Speaking of (former) Page Popes; where is HAL9000? Haven't seen him for ages.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby BlitzGirl » Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:48 pm UTC

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k.bookbinder wrote:Reading over the past few newpages, it strikes me that the "chatting" environment in here seems to have gone from forum, to chat room, to cocktail party; there is a pretty even mix of topics which one might "overhear" as they read through the thread, much like moving back and forth through a crowded room at a cocktail party.

I'd say it's more of an informal gathering than a cocktail party, but yes, I totally see what you mean :)

But we did have drinks :wink: But yes, that sort of think. Certainly, no need for black ties or cocktail dresses. Unless, of course, you would like to wear formal attire. We're not picky here. Personally I do enjoy wearing black ties. I have a skinny one that goes very well with a white shirt I have with a narrow spread collar. Tied with a Kelvin knot, it looks quite sharp. 8-)

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby kenmelken » Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:51 pm UTC

mscha wrote:Edit: just in case the previous Page Pope's decree didn't do the job, here's mine: I hereby disband the Page Papacy, without precedent.
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Edit2: Speaking of (former) Page Popes; where is HAL9000? Haven't seen him for ages.


HAL9000 has been busy and is going to Germany soon, after which he will start a Blitz quest (at least according to his last update). [Edit: ninja'd by BlitzGirl]

Also, if your decree only applies to this page, couldn't prospective primary posters of pending pages just as precociously re-proliferate the paginated papacy?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby k.bookbinder » Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:51 pm UTC

mscha wrote:
BlitzGirl wrote:*Wait. Not weight. No weight-posting, please.

So no posting that the four-toed hedgehog weighs between 250 and 600 gramsH (8.8 and 21 ozH)?

Edit: just in case the previous Page Pope's decree didn't do the job, here's mine: I hereby disband the Page Papacy, without precedent.
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Edit2: Speaking of (former) Page Popes; where is HAL9000? Haven't seen him for ages.


Several dix ago he did say he had a 45 newpage blitz over the coming wix. Perhaps he is still in the past?

BlitzGirl wrote:Soon a new dynasty of newpage-header will rise, that of the PagePopePreventers...

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k.bookbinder wrote:Reading over the past few newpages, it strikes me that the "chatting" environment in here seems to have gone from forum, to chat room, to cocktail party; there is a pretty even mix of topics which one might "overhear" as they read through the thread, much like moving back and forth through a crowded room at a cocktail party.

I'd say it's more of an informal gathering than a cocktail party, but yes, I totally see what you mean :)

But we did have drinks :wink: But yes, that sort of think. Certainly, no need for black ties or cocktail dresses. Unless, of course, you would like to wear formal attire. We're not picky here. Personally I do enjoy wearing black ties. I have a skinny one that goes very well with a white shirt I have with a narrow spread collar. Tied with a Kelvin knot, it looks quite sharp. 8-)

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ETA: Hal is blitzing to ketchup right now.


Most definitly! I am quite fond of hats, myself. Wear them everyday!

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby mscha » Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:53 pm UTC

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He was, but:
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby BlitzGirl » Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:55 pm UTC

If Papal posters proclaim page-papacies prohibited, how many pix will pass before a prickly Pope protests?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby k.bookbinder » Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:57 pm UTC

BlitzGirl wrote:If Papal posters proclaim page-papacies prohibited, how many pix will pass before a prickly Pope protests?


Plenty :)
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby kenmelken » Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:58 pm UTC

Perhaps the papacy is permanently in peril. Pray tell, what precedent think ye will proliferate in its place?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby jovialbard » Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:05 pm UTC

But the thing about English is that as crazy as it is, we somehow know to put the "the" in front of rivers, oceans, deserts, mountains, boats and not in front of states, people, roads and so on. HOW???

Another interesting linguistic difference that I'm not sure y'all are aware of:
revisions (British) = homework (American)
I still don't believe it, part of me is waiting for one the fine fellow from across the sea to correct me, but I"m pretty sure that's accurate. See to us Yankees the term revisions is reserved for what you do between drafts of an essay.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby lmjb1964 » Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:08 pm UTC

jovialbard wrote:
ucim wrote:No, "y'all" is singular. The plural is "all y'all"

I think you mean ambiguous. Y'all refers to a select group which could be singular or plural e.g. "How y'all doin". All y'all is always plural and refers to a general group, or everyone within ear shot "All y'all listen up now".

Edit: Of course there's also "yous guys" if you're in the vicinity of New Jersey.

Edit2: Everything old is new again, again, again, again...


I may have mentioned this before, but in Pittsburgh, well, in certain parts of Pittsburgh, it's "y'ins." Or "you'ns," perhaps. The spelling is debated, but it's pronounced "y'ins." There's a whole Pittsburgh dialect, "Pittsburghese," in which the sentence "The Steelers play downtown, about a mile from me. I'm going to the Giant Eagle (a grocery store chain) in East Liberty (an area of Pittsburgh) to buy some rubber bands and other things," would be pronounced "The Stillers play dahntahn, about a mall from me. I'm going to the Gian Iggle in E Sliberty to buy some gum bands 'n'at."

My dad grew up in a part of Pittsburgh that doesn't speak that dialect, and he proclaims vehemently that it isn't Pittburghese, dammit! I think he's the only one who holds that opinion, though.

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ucim wrote:No, "y'all" is singular. The plural is "all y'all"

I think you mean ambiguous. Y'all refers to a select group which could be singular or plural e.g. "How y'all doin". All y'all is always plural and refers to a general group, or everyone within ear shot "All y'all listen up now".

Edit: Of course there's also "yous guys" if you're in the vicinity of New Jersey.

Edit2: Everything old is new again, again, again, again...

Legos. Discuss.


But I do call a single brick a lego, and a pile of them legos. Also you could say that the sandbox is full of sands if you are sand connoisseur and have assembled a collection of exotic sands from around the world, separating each different sand variety into a different area of the sand box.
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Like deers, you mean?

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jovialbard wrote:This all reminds me of that stupid Moon/Sun thing that some astronomers do. Sorry, I don't buy that "Moon is full tonight" is a valid sentence. "The moon is full tonight". It's name isn't Moon, it's name is Luna. And the sun's name isn't Sun, it's Sol. If you refer to it by it's proper name you can drop the "the", but Moon and Sun are not proper names, so the "the" stays.

Gargoyles wrote:Hudson: Must you humans name everything? Nothing's real to you 'til you've named it, given it limits.
Elisa Maza: It's not like that. It's just that, well... uh... things need names.
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Elisa Maza: The river's called the Hudson.
Hudson: Fine, lass. Then I will be the Hudson as well.

It's a "the" if there's only one of them. The Earth has only one sun and only one moon, so it's "the sun" and "the moon". (Sol and Luna are not the names of the sun and the moon, they are just "sun" and "moon" in Latin.) If you've never been further away than a night's round trip gliding from a castle on the coast of Scotland, you probably only know of one river, so it's "the river". Then some eccentric billionaire brings you to present-day New York and you find out rivers have names, because there's more than one of them so there has to be a way to tell them apart when talking about them.

Good points, but you don't say the Jupiter either... so why do you say the Hudson... <head scratch> I mean I wouldn't say the if I was talking about the guy Hudson (unless I was specifying: "Which Hudson? Oh, THE Hudson."). I guess that has something to do with rivers and other geographical features... wierd :D

Here in the U.S. you mostly hear people say "the Ukraine." In Ukraine and elsewhere (but not everywhere), it's just "Ukraine" (украине in Russian, ункраіне in Ukrainian). I realized this as I was preparing for a trip there. (And Jonathan Safran Foer mentions it in Everything is Illuminated.) I still have to remind myself not to say "the Ukraine," it's so ingrained in me.

Language is weird.
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jovialbard wrote:Good points, but you don't say the Jupiter either... so why do you say the Hudson... <head scratch>
When you say "The Hudson" you are really saying "The Hudson (River)", which is really "The (Hudson) River". It's just a bit of breve-jive that became standard. Or, another way of putting it, there are sometimes ghost words in English sentences, and they have to be considered. Thus the cookie (the Oreo cookie) becomes the Oreo, and the brick (the Lego brick) becomes the Lego.

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Edited to clarify (hopefully) what I was trying to say.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby mscha » Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:10 pm UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby BlitzGirl » Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:10 pm UTC

kenmelken wrote:Perhaps the papacy is permanently in peril. Pray tell, what precedent think ye will proliferate in its place?

PagePopePreventers perhaps pursue the prize of page-top primacy, to preclude a pushy PagePope pupil planning to proceed.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby thirds » Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:12 pm UTC

Promulgating precepts preventing paginated papal persons plainly produces profound policies preferring peremptory popsicle provisioning.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby AluisioASG » Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:14 pm UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby kenmelken » Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:18 pm UTC

AluisioASG wrote:If the Page Papacy doesn't continue, I'll refuse to publish another chapter of The Last Time Waiter.


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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby jovialbard » Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:22 pm UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby BlitzGirl » Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:24 pm UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ucim » Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:30 pm UTC

ttscp wrote:As I understand it, all the extra dimensions of string theory are rolled up very tightly so we can't perceive them. I imagine a sheet of paper (2D) rolled up into a line so the inhabitants of the space can perceive only one dimension. Supporters of string theory would tell you that those extra dimensions are as real as quarks.
To me, a dimension is "big enough" if you can "do something" with it, such as move around in it. I'm not sure what meaning (besides a mathematical convenience) can be ascribed to a dimension that is small enough so that you can't do anything with it, such as a second dimension rolled up like a straw, but smaller than the Planck length.
ttscp wrote:Want a mind blowing theory, that, as far as I know, is less controversial? The Holographic Principle: all the information inside a three dimensional space can be encoded on its surface. The wikipedia article is here. Although the article mentions string theory, I think it is actually independent of the rest of it. The implication is that our perceived 3D reality may be 'really' 2DH.
I wonder if this is just a corollary to the fact that there are as many points in a finite region of N dimensional space as there are in K dimensional space, where N and K are any two positive integers. The proof simply relies on the density of the real numbers.
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x= 0.337935.... and y=0.860264.... It is not difficult to find a point on the line segment to correspond to this point: simply interleave the digits. The corresponding point is: 0.383670923654.... (I used even and odd digits to make the interleaving easier to note, but the result is general). This can be done for every point1, so the two sets are equivalent. The two infinities are "the same size".

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(re: no weight posting)mscha wrote:So no posting that the four-toed hedgehog weighs between 250 and 600 grams
That's mass posting. Mass posting is frowned upon for different reasons.

jovialbard wrote:But the thing about English is that as crazy as it is, we somehow know to put the "the" in front of rivers, oceans, deserts, mountains, boats and not in front of states, people, roads and so on. HOW???
By speaking it for [mumble] years. A young child or an early language student would not (yet) know that.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby partingLance » Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:31 pm UTC

tinosoph wrote:Okay, we need a drinking game. I suggest we scroll through the OTC and drink at certain words. Mine's "neat".


Blindpost from NP 838: I am amazed no-one in the OTT suggested a drinking game long before this.

Though it may be that some of those who've dropped away were positively driven to drink in the Outside.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby jovialbard » Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:35 pm UTC

partingLance wrote:
tinosoph wrote:Okay, we need a drinking game. I suggest we scroll through the OTC and drink at certain words. Mine's "neat".


Blindpost from NP 838: I am amazed no-one in the OTT suggested a drinking game long before this.

Though it may be that some of those who've dropped away were positively driven to drink in the Outside.

Something tells me that by the time I've ketchupped, all but a small hard core of Waiters will be paralytic, or in rehab, or just hopelessly maudlin about the imagined fate of Cuegan and/or some molpy or other.

It has been suggested before, drinking games that is.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby mathrec » Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:39 pm UTC

ttscp wrote:Want a mind blowing theory, that, as far as I know, is less controversial? The Holographic Principle: all the information inside a three dimensional space can be encoded on its surface. The wikipedia article is here. Although the article mentions string theory, I think it is actually independent of the rest of it. The implication is that our perceived 3D reality may be 'really' 2DH.

*mind blown* (not by the theory, but by seeing it discussed here...)

ttscp wrote:And don't get me started on Wolfram who has posited in A New Kind of Science that our universe can be best modeled as a cellular automaton.

Universal computation is, well, universal. If the universe can be reduced to computation, then universal computation is.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby BlitzGirl » Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:39 pm UTC

partingLance wrote:Blindpost from NP 838: I am amazed no-one in the OTT suggested a drinking game long before this.

Oh, we did. Or rather, ChronosDragon and yappobiscuits did on Newpage 491.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby jjjdavidson » Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:44 pm UTC

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partingLance wrote:Blindpost from NP 838: I am amazed no-one in the OTT suggested a drinking game long before this.

Oh, we did. Or rather, ChronosDragon and yappobiscuits did on Newpage 491.

And then StratPlayer did it again on NP 730.
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Has anyone ever mentioned making a drinking game out of the dialogue of the OTC? Like "take a shot every time M or C say 'yeah'!" I don't think it would be that effective in real-time, but maybe on AubronWood's gif? You'd be plastered within a nanopix...

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby rvloon » Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:52 pm UTC

mscha wrote:Prediction: in the following newpix, or maybe the next, Cueball will step on poor Pokey. (Ouch!)

(No ketchup report from me. Y'all have degenerated into a chat room, so what is there to say about that?)

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby pelrigg » Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:53 pm UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ttscp » Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:58 pm UTC

ucim wrote:
ttscp wrote:As I understand it, all the extra dimensions of string theory are rolled up very tightly so we can't perceive them. I imagine a sheet of paper (2D) rolled up into a line so the inhabitants of the space can perceive only one dimension. Supporters of string theory would tell you that those extra dimensions are as real as quarks.
To me, a dimension is "big enough" if you can "do something" with it, such as move around in it. I'm not sure what meaning (besides a mathematical convenience) can be ascribed to a dimension that is small enough so that you can't do anything with it, such as a second dimension rolled up like a straw, but smaller than the Planck length.

They needed 11 dimensions to allow enough vibration modes for the strings. Each vibration mode is a different elementary particle (I think). The dimension only needs to be "big enough" to vibrate in, whatever that might be.

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ttscp wrote:Want a mind blowing theory, that, as far as I know, is less controversial? The Holographic Principle: all the information inside a three dimensional space can be encoded on its surface. The wikipedia article is here. Although the article mentions string theory, I think it is actually independent of the rest of it. The implication is that our perceived 3D reality may be 'really' 2DH.
I wonder if this is just a corollary to the fact that there are as many points in a finite region of N dimensional space as there are in K dimensional space, where N and K are any two positive integers. The proof simply relies on the density of the real numbers.[spoiler]To show two infinite sets are the same "size", it is sufficient to make a one-to-one correspondence between all members. This is easily done by interleaving the decimal coordinates of two points. Consider a line segment (between 0 and 1), and a plane segment (the square "between" (0,0) and (1,1)) Every point in the plane segment will have an x coordinate and a y coordinate, each between 0 and 1. e.g.
x= 0.337935.... and y=0.860264.... It is not difficult to find a point on the line segment to correspond to this point: simply interleave the digits. The corresponding point is: 0.383670923654.... (I used even and odd digits to make the interleaving easier to note, but the result is general). This can be done for every point1, so the two sets are equivalent. The two infinities are "the same size".

Yes, every infinite space with real coordinates has the same infinite size. The infinity of curves, however is larger.
It could be. However, the way I've seen it stated was in terms of information content, not mathematical points. If it were just a corollary to the infinite dimensionality, I don't think they'd make such a big deal of it.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby yappobiscuits » Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:01 pm UTC

jovialbard wrote:But the thing about English is that as crazy as it is, we somehow know to put the "the" in front of rivers, oceans, deserts, mountains, boats and not in front of states, people, roads and so on. HOW???

Another interesting linguistic difference that I'm not sure y'all are aware of:
revisions (British) = homework (American)
I still don't believe it, part of me is waiting for one the fine fellow from across the sea to correct me, but I"m pretty sure that's accurate. See to us Yankees the term revisions is reserved for what you do between drafts of an essay.

Not as far as I'm aware... For schoolwork you do at home, we call it homework. Revision is a term for studying for exams. (In that you're revising, i.e. going back over the stuff you learned over the course of the year)

And the first one... yeah, but I'm not sure about mountains... you don't say "The Mount Everest" or "The Ben Nevis" or "The Kilimanjaro", sure there's the odd exception like "The Matterhorn" but certainly not usually. Mountain ranges though, yes. Maybe that's what you meant anyway. Silly me.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ucim » Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:06 pm UTC

ttscp wrote:However, the way I've seen it stated was in terms of information content, not mathematical points. If it were just a corollary to the infinite dimensionality, I don't think they'd make such a big deal of it.
I suppose, which makes me wonder what it is that is critically different about it. Information can be represented by points (encoded in the real numbers), and that carries the size thing right along with it.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby pelrigg » Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:07 pm UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby partingLance » Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:09 pm UTC

charlie_grumbles wrote:
BlueCrab wrote:
charlie_grumbles wrote: So, in this view (my story, and I'm stickin' to it), the universe isn't "built up" from small things like quarks. It just IS. We use quarks as a way to get a simple (hmmm) way to think about that complexity. Neither does it embody mathematical principles. People think those up themselves. But math is also used to build "sensible" models (i.e. predictive models) of how it all hangs together.

So both mathematics and physics are how we encode our observations in order to further understand them?

That is pretty accurate for physics models. Math is more abstract. Some math models attempt to capture "reality" others are just "for the pure fun of it." Few mathematicians (few, not none) care much if the math they create has application in reality.


charlie_grumbles, have you read Arthur C. Clarke's Tales from the 'White Hart'? In one of those stories, I think, a character recites what he describes as an old toast: "Here's to pure mathematics: may it never be of any use to anyone."

I'm very far from being a mathematician, but I've always liked that, for some reason.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ttscp » Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:10 pm UTC

mathrec wrote:
ttscp wrote:Want a mind blowing theory, that, as far as I know, is less controversial? The Holographic Principle: all the information inside a three dimensional space can be encoded on its surface. The wikipedia article is here. Although the article mentions string theory, I think it is actually independent of the rest of it. The implication is that our perceived 3D reality may be 'really' 2DH.

*mind blown* (not by the theory, but by seeing it discussed here...)

Why not? I was going to make a snarky comment here, but really, there are some awfully smart people posting on this thread.

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ttscp wrote:And don't get me started on Wolfram who has posited in A New Kind of Science that our universe can be best modeled as a cellular automaton.

Universal computation is, well, universal. If the universe can be reduced to computation, then universal computation is.

Yeah, I'm never sure whether the idea is tautology, or something deep.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby mscha » Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:10 pm UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby jovialbard » Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:10 pm UTC

yappobiscuits wrote:
jovialbard wrote:But the thing about English is that as crazy as it is, we somehow know to put the "the" in front of rivers, oceans, deserts, mountains, boats and not in front of states, people, roads and so on. HOW???

Another interesting linguistic difference that I'm not sure y'all are aware of:
revisions (British) = homework (American)
I still don't believe it, part of me is waiting for one the fine fellow from across the sea to correct me, but I"m pretty sure that's accurate. See to us Yankees the term revisions is reserved for what you do between drafts of an essay.

Not as far as I'm aware... For schoolwork you do at home, we call it homework. Revision is a term for studying for exams. (In that you're revising, i.e. going back over the stuff you learned over the course of the year)

And the first one... yeah, but I'm not sure about mountains... you don't say "The Mount Everest" or "The Ben Nevis" or "The Kilimanjaro", sure there's the odd exception like "The Matterhorn" but certainly not usually.


Oh yeah, that was it, exams, got that mixed up. Still seems really strange to me :)

eta: also it occurs to me that the mountains you mention are individual not mountain ranges (right?) so that could be the difference there.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ttscp » Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:18 pm UTC

ucim wrote:
ttscp wrote:However, the way I've seen it stated was in terms of information content, not mathematical points. If it were just a corollary to the infinite dimensionality, I don't think they'd make such a big deal of it.
I suppose, which makes me wonder what it is that is critically different about it. Information can be represented by points (encoded in the real numbers), and that carries the size thing right along with it.

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Doesn't the Planck length interfere with the construction that proves the equivalence of N-D and K-D? I mean as you extend the number of digits in the decimal fraction you get start to get differences that refer to unmeasurable quantities.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby BlitzGirl » Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:23 pm UTC

Here's a silly little original poem while we wait for the pokeymolp to move:

Pricklymolp and Molpypoke

Pricklymolp and Molpypoke
(perhaps quite porcupine-y)
Perchanced upon a passing pair
With plain pates, quite un-spiny.

Molpypoke told Pricklymolp,
"Pip, pip! I'm pulling out:
These prancing people panic me
As they parade about!"

Pricklymolp told Molpypoke,
"Please proceed precisely;
I plan to peek at this odd pair,
See if they're cruel or nicely."

Molpypoke left Pricklymolp
But on a perch unstable
And presently the pig plunged down
His perfect plot disabled

Pricklymolp cried, "Molpypoke!
Pray, report of me
To all my pals and partners
And prodigious progeny!"

Molpypoke saw Pricklymolp
Painstakingly picked up
By the bald-pated person,
Just like a puckish pup.

Pricklymolp said, "Molpypoke,
Perhaps he plans no pain
Perhaps he'll pass me by
If I a placid pose retain!"

Molpypoke watched Pricklymolp
Placed back upon the ground
The pair proceeded pacing past
The pet that they had found

Pricklymolp and Molpypoke
Perched patient on the hill.
Perhaps long past this poor poem's end
They shall be Waiting still.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby kenmelken » Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:25 pm UTC

BlitzGirl wrote:Here's a silly little original poem while we wait for the pokeymolp to move:

Spoiler:
Pricklymolp and Molpypoke

Pricklymolp and Molpypoke
(perhaps quite porcupine-y)
Perchanced upon a passing pair
With plain pates, quite un-spiny.

Molpypoke told Pricklymolp,
"Pip, pip! I'm pulling out:
These prancing people panic me
As they parade about!"

Pricklymolp told Molpypoke,
"Please proceed precisely;
I plan to peek at this odd pair,
See if they're cruel or nicely."

Molpypoke left Pricklymolp
But on a perch unstable
And presently the pig plunged down
His perfect plot disabled

Pricklymolp cried, "Molpypoke!
Pray, report of me
To all my pals and partners
And prodigious progeny!"

Molpypoke saw Pricklymolp
Painstakingly picked up
By the bald-pated person,
Just like a puckish pup.

Pricklymolp said, "Molpypoke,
Perhaps he plans no pain
Perhaps he'll pass me by
If I a placid pose retain!"

Molpypoke watched Pricklymolp
Placed back upon the ground
The pair proceeded pacing past
The pet that they had found

Pricklymolp and Molpypoke
Perched patient on the hill.
Perhaps long past this poor poem's end
They shall be Waiting still.


LOVED IT. :) You could turn it into a children's book and sell it.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby jovialbard » Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:29 pm UTC

kenmelken wrote:
BlitzGirl wrote:Here's a silly little original poem while we wait for the pokeymolp to move:

Spoiler:
Pricklymolp and Molpypoke

Pricklymolp and Molpypoke
(perhaps quite porcupine-y)
Perchanced upon a passing pair
With plain pates, quite un-spiny.

Molpypoke told Pricklymolp,
"Pip, pip! I'm pulling out:
These prancing people panic me
As they parade about!"

Pricklymolp told Molpypoke,
"Please proceed precisely;
I plan to peek at this odd pair,
See if they're cruel or nicely."

Molpypoke left Pricklymolp
But on a perch unstable
And presently the pig plunged down
His perfect plot disabled

Pricklymolp cried, "Molpypoke!
Pray, report of me
To all my pals and partners
And prodigious progeny!"

Molpypoke saw Pricklymolp
Painstakingly picked up
By the bald-pated person,
Just like a puckish pup.

Pricklymolp said, "Molpypoke,
Perhaps he plans no pain
Perhaps he'll pass me by
If I a placid pose retain!"

Molpypoke watched Pricklymolp
Placed back upon the ground
The pair proceeded pacing past
The pet that they had found

Pricklymolp and Molpypoke
Perched patient on the hill.
Perhaps long past this poor poem's end
They shall be Waiting still.


LOVED IT. :) You could turn it into a children's book and sell it.


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