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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby MattTheTubaGuy » Sat Jun 29, 2013 6:12 am UTC

Well now that we know the exact date, using the rate of precession (1 full circle in 25,772 years), it is possible to work out how much the seasons have rotated.
by my calculations, it is roughly equivalent to 9th October, so mid Autumn in the northern hemisphere.
One possibility for determining the location on Earth is to use the position of the Moon, and guessing what stage of the tide (and what time it was) at the start, then check tide tables (to see how the tilde level relates to the position of the Moon), and possibly determine a location that way. I don't think the flora/fauna will be useful because of how far in the future it is. looking for an appropriately sized waterfall a few hours walk from the ocean could also be a good idea. :)

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Exodies » Sat Jun 29, 2013 6:15 am UTC

Rule110 wrote:Ah: cold mentioned again. If that becomes a serious issue, maybe the ensuing dialog will resolve the clothing question. (We can surmise that Megan's legs are bare or clad in tights or stockings, because a flag-bandage wouldn't show under a long skirt or slacks. TIghts seem unlikely because she couldn't have removed them while sitting down to get bandaged, without a lot of movement that would have been noticeable.)

It might seem I'm obsessing over clothing -- "Ooh, naked stick figures! *leer*" -- but knowing one way or the other would be a huge clue about their backgrounds and circumstances.

Repetition: they are not stick figures, they are merely drawn as stick figures. They are real <people in a fiction> and Grandall presents them to us as sticks.
And: Megan was not injured by the Leo, she fell on something.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby yappobiscuits » Sat Jun 29, 2013 6:36 am UTC

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Hum. I've been in the dark a lot. Actually, I like darkness.
Normally, I'd argue somewhere along the lines "light pollution".

But not in a ~ 14'000 A.D. wilderness.

I would just presume artistic licence, so we can see what's happening.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Zorin_75 » Sat Jun 29, 2013 6:39 am UTC

Exodies wrote:And: Megan was not injured by the Leo, she fell on something.

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Also, leo=lion, not keyboard.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby sla29970 » Sat Jun 29, 2013 6:44 am UTC

MattTheTubaGuy wrote: it is possible to work out how much the seasons have rotated.
by my calculations, it is roughly equivalent to 9th October, so mid Autumn in the northern hemisphere.


The design of the Gregorian calendar is to keep the vernal equinox on March 21. Although not perfect it will do so to within a couple of days over 13000 years. So April in 13000 years means early to mid spring in 13000 years.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby edfel » Sat Jun 29, 2013 6:47 am UTC

Star trail update (frames 2393-2427, gamma 0.85)
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Also, credit where credit is due, this excelent analysis is made by Rule110 (not me)

Rule110 wrote:
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Very good. That tells us something important in a slightly meta way. If Randall had simply drawn a starry sky image and was rotating it for each frame, all the arcs would be concentric. That they're not means it's overwhelmingly likely that the sky is being rendered algorithmically. (The alternative would be that he is repositioning each star by hand!) That rendering, which must project a model of (at least a portion of) the celestial sphere into a flat frame, must introduce distortion somewhere. It's a matter of deciding what kind of distortion is acceptable, and choosing the projection accordingly. For example, we don't see the distances a given star moves starting out shorter at the top of the frame due to foreshortening, which we would see in (for example) a wide angle camera image of the night sky with the camera held horizontal.

I note that a little bit to the left of the sun's path, some of the star paths are almost straight lines. Farther left still, they appear to bend the other way. I think it's likely that in this projection, a star whose path comes out as a perfectly straight line is on the celestial equator. (That's simply a sensible, to the point of being nearly necessary, feature for such a projection to have.) Its path will therefore cross the true horizon (which the actual silhouette of the landscape might be higher or lower than at any given point) at due west.

If that's true, it tells us that:

- We are looking slightly north of west.
- The sun set slightly to the north of west.
- It's mid spring.
- We are in the northern hemisphere at latitude 39.5, the angle of the straight-line star path.
- The celestial equator is way out of place.


By the way, this last point might have been misunderstood: "the celestial equator is way out of place" doesn't mean that the stars are all wrong, it is equivalent to "the planet's axis of rotation is not the one we are used to", hence the precession hypothesis (precession=movement of the rotation axis).
Other theories, appart from "natural" precession, explaining this phenomenum: we're not on earth, or some event has suddently made earth's axis move compared to the stars (which is different to "compared to earth", as in the Cassinni-earth)

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Exodies » Sat Jun 29, 2013 6:49 am UTC

yappobiscuits wrote:
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akacat wrote:
kenmelken wrote:
CameronCat wrote:Heh. You're not alone. Without a long story, many MANY years ago a friend and I competed in car rallies. I drove, he navigated**. Even with printed route sheets ("Turn Right at red barn...") he couldn't keep it sorted and would occasionally say "left" when the routes read "right." Not good for staying on the course. But for reasons unknown, he could parse it another way; he had no trouble calling "my side" or "your side" based on what he read. Worked like a charm, and we won a lot of events.

EXACTLY! I can ALWAYS point the right direction or give directions in other ways, but the words "right/left" throw me off and come out wrong about 30% of the time. That is far more problematic than being wrong 100% of the time, in which case others could simply learn to do the opposite of what I say, but when you are right a goodly amount more than you are left wrong, they never know when you are correct or not (and neither do I, because the brain simply doesn't parse those words correctly). I always say to trust which direction I point rather than what I say, because I always point correctly.

I have the same problem. I have no trouble with north/south. And my sense of direction is quite good as long as I'm pointing or saying something like "toward the ocean/mountains" (east/west). But I'm hopeless with left/right and nearly as hopeless with east/west.

And like kenmelken, my failure rate isn't anything like 100%, so people can't assume I mean the opposite of whatever I've said.

I've always jokingly blamed it on me being a righty while my mom is left-handed. But I do wonder if there could be some correlation there?

Hah, so glad I'm not the only one here. I always have to think really hard when it comes to left/right or east/west, and often just end up blurting out the first one that comes to mind and it's usually the wrong one. I'm also a righty with a lefty mother, but she's just as bad as me so I dunno.
Although since learning to drive I've gotten a lot better, since I remember that turning right is the one where you have to cross over the other lane (of course that would be the case for left across the pond).

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My UK based brotherinlaw seems to have this spanner in the works. When he is driving on the mainland (Europe) he swaps left and right to maintain the lane-crossingness of the turn - eg (hope I've got that wrong enough) my sister will say turn right (meaning make a lane crossing turn) and he will correctly hang a Louie.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ggh » Sat Jun 29, 2013 6:52 am UTC

IceIsNice wrote:Just throwing an idea out there. I have a vague impression that something of this sort may have been suggested before. But I thought I'd resuggest.

OTTers have been wondering about the moon, or lack of it, in the night sky. I think a few theories on date/location have even been discarded because the moon has not appeared where predicted. But what if the moon is no more? This would explain the lack of tides during the Sandcastle Era. It would explain Cuegan's evident unfamiliarity with the idea that seas can rise and fall regularly, predictably.

Not going to speculate on what happened to the moon. Chalk it up to a post-apocalyptic catastrophe.

Of course, the obvious explanation of the moon's absence is that the phase, or position, or our point of view, simply mean that the moon is elsewhere.

Occam must have been a load of fun at parties.

I like this idea, and I plan to like it until we see, or hear about, the moon. That lack of tide has got to mean something.

Another idea I'd like to like is some sort of Brigadoon scenario, but it just has too many problems.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Exodies » Sat Jun 29, 2013 6:56 am UTC

Angelastic wrote:Before saying left or right I have to think for a second about which hand I write with (I'm very much right-handed, so the old 'the hand you write with is your right hand, and the one that's left is your left' works for me), and then think a bit more in case I inexplicably chose the wrong writing hand. But I think I can more-or-less instinctively tell you which side is stage-Paul and which is stage-Storm. Maybe I need to think of that (I know Paul is on the left), or, say, the direction I read in (left to right), rather than trying to remember which hand I write with. When was the last time I actually wrote, anyway?

ETA: Actually, can we just agree to call the directions capslockward and enterward? Would that work, or do we need a smartphone version?

When driving you can use clockwise and anticlockwise - this follows the direction you turn the steering wheel. Even when you are driving while sitting on the accelerator and looking out of the windscreen via a mirror held up on a stick.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby kenmelken » Sat Jun 29, 2013 6:59 am UTC

Kay. I'm back. And ketched up.

Can we pretty please change astronomy to make this not take place in 13000? Are there really no other options? Like, any? I just wanted it to be closer to now. :(

I think I'm getting closer and closer to throwing hat in with [non-Cassini] Randallversists...

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby spamjam » Sat Jun 29, 2013 7:01 am UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby kenmelken » Sat Jun 29, 2013 7:03 am UTC

Ooh! Movement! Do you think he sees something? Or is he just standing to ward off sleepiness?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Eutychus » Sat Jun 29, 2013 7:03 am UTC

Well either he heard something, or he needs a wee.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Zorin_75 » Sat Jun 29, 2013 7:04 am UTC

Repost due to unmeasurable amount of awesomefulness:
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby kenmelken » Sat Jun 29, 2013 7:08 am UTC

Happy 100, Zorin_75!

BTW, just saw most recent version of edfel's map. Awesome work! Love some of the recent changes and improvements. :)
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby spamjam » Sat Jun 29, 2013 7:40 am UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby edfel » Sat Jun 29, 2013 7:56 am UTC

kenmelken wrote:Can we pretty please change astronomy to make this not take place in 13000? Are there really no other options? Like, any?

There is still hope, my friend ;) Maybe the earth has changed axis in a faster-than-expected way. There are lots of reasons for this: a very large meteor hit the earth at a strange angle at very very high speed, or people built high-speed-heavy-trains connecting the poles and turning around earth (in one way only), or this is not earth.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby kenmelken » Sat Jun 29, 2013 8:00 am UTC

MovONG around

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@edfel Yeah. I guess I was just super excited when we thought it would be November 7th of this year. That would have been cool.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby sidd » Sat Jun 29, 2013 8:15 am UTC

My planet positions in Stellarium for 13291-04-14 are discrepant from others: 04-09 or 04-10 looks more accurate from what I can tell. By the 14th, Venus is completely out of position.

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Sellarium 13291-04-14


Edit: For confirmation, the moon should appear in Taurus, west of Aldebaran, and will set in the left corner of frame just before dawn.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby kenmelken » Sat Jun 29, 2013 8:22 am UTC

In memory of my days of being an Africanist, I offer this happy picture of a molpephant meeting a sea-lionraptorcat:

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Hopefully if we aren't in Africa, we can still be in a Randallverse where Cuegan may yet meet a molpephant.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby HES » Sat Jun 29, 2013 8:47 am UTC

kenmelken wrote:Kay. I'm back. And ketched up.

Can we pretty please change astronomy to make this not take place in 13000? Are there really no other options? Like, any? I just wanted it to be closer to now. :(

I think I'm getting closer and closer to throwing hat in with [non-Cassini] Randallversists...

(Being an Africanist sure has been fun though!)

Since I don't understand any of the hard work going on, I'm choosing to ignore it all. As far as I'm concerned, it's all taking place in the near future so that when it ends inside time = outside time
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby kenmelken » Sat Jun 29, 2013 9:00 am UTC

LookONG around
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby edfel » Sat Jun 29, 2013 9:03 am UTC

sidd wrote:My planet positions in Stellarium for 13291-04-14 are discrepant from others: 04-09 or 04-10 looks more accurate from what I can tell. By the 14th, Venus is completely out of position.

The attachment stellarium-001.png is no longer available


Edit: For confirmation, the moon should appear in Taurus, west of Aldebaran, and will set in the left corner of frame just before dawn.

I agree.
I've looked for the best time to align Venus with the rest of the stars (method: from frame 2400, I draw the polygon in red linking the stars and Venus. Then I rescale proportionnaly and rotate to match stellarium screen captures). I find 04-10 around 04h UTC, with an estimated possible error of +-4h.

Spoilered big image with stars matching:
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and redundant spoiler:
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So if we're not wrong by more than a few years, then we've got a precise time up to a few hours. Question: is 13291 the only match between years 10 000 and 16 000?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Kazza3 » Sat Jun 29, 2013 9:29 am UTC

Ketchuped 30 pages, this has got to be one of the most exciting times so far, and all the astronomers are doing an incredible job!

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby kenmelken » Sat Jun 29, 2013 9:51 am UTC

Kay... I've finally had a chance to create the Wiki article for the period at the abandoned building on the plateau, immediately preceding the raptorcat attack (I'll probably write that one tomorrow). I admit, that I haven't finished sifting through the discussion on the building itself, so that part of the article is incomplete, and I'd like to polish the molpy section up some as well, but I'm pretty pleased with this one. You'll also notice I've started including images! I've added some particularly important frames from the period to both this and a few of the other recent period wiki articles. Enjoy.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Tatiana » Sat Jun 29, 2013 10:08 am UTC

Blindposting from 30 pages in the past. I don't know how anyone can blitz truly. I just keep falling farther behind when I try. Anyway, I'm not seeing any stars or constellations I recognize, are y'all? I thought that was probably Venus that followed the sun down the sky, and after that, a reasonably good approximation of the Milky Way, but nothing since then has looked familiar, and even the constellations around the Milky Way didn't click. Are people checking this? Am I missing it? I can't wait to find out when I make it to the present again!
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Wildhound » Sat Jun 29, 2013 10:09 am UTC

If the suggested year of 13291 is correct, that number probably has some significance.

13 - 291?

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby mscha » Sat Jun 29, 2013 10:10 am UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby NoMouse » Sat Jun 29, 2013 10:10 am UTC

patzer wrote:The Astronomy page says that "According to jjjdavidson, the Sun would have a diameter of 3 degrees, that is 6 times its actual size."

Surely this means they are on a planet or moon orbiting a red dwarf?

(For planets that are orbiting a red dwarf in the habitable zone, the sun looks bigger than our sun)

Are we sure that what we see is an actual size of the sun and not just a glare around it? Yes, I can see that the edge is quite sharp but it was sharp even when the sun was higher and looked even bigger due to its brightness.
While I can believe the no-moon theory1, I just can't believe that the sun would be bigger or closer so much. I still believe this is Earth and we are in our solar system. We have no reason to think something else yet2.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby edfel » Sat Jun 29, 2013 10:11 am UTC

I've just tried to align Jupiter as I did for Venus before. It's slightly more difficult (I find the stars in Aquarius harder to identify, and since it's bigger there are distoritions problems), so it's not as neat as the previous one, but still the match for Jupiter is more than correct...
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Tatiana » Sat Jun 29, 2013 10:13 am UTC

So happy now that I've skipped forward to see that the OTTers are all over the astronomical aspects of this thing. I should never have doubted you guys! This is fantastic! :D
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby sidd » Sat Jun 29, 2013 10:14 am UTC

edfel wrote:Spoilered big image with stars matching:
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... and just to demonstrate the dual confirmation, here is the same process for Jupiter in Aquarius, same time and date:

OTC Jupiter:
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Stellarium Jupiter:
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13291-04-10 04h UTC is looking pretty good.

Edit: Fixed levels, added red lines for clarity.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby anabatica » Sat Jun 29, 2013 10:28 am UTC

sidd wrote:13291-04-10 04h UTC is looking pretty good.


What frame was 04h? And when was sunset?

Seems we might be able to (roughly) work out latitude AND longitude?

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Latent22 » Sat Jun 29, 2013 10:30 am UTC

Someone should double check 2013 to see when jupiter lines up in this position this year. If this only happens at dates when other things like venus dont match then we can 100% discount 2013.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby NoMouse » Sat Jun 29, 2013 10:34 am UTC

Yesterday I wrote:For some reason, the sky-stitching stopped working when I tried to add another 4 newpixes. We need some NASA technology here.

Not sure if NASA uses Microsoft Image Composite Editor1 :mrgreen: but it works pretty well (and much faster than Photoshop):
2394-2431_stitch.png

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I had to left out the bottom left corners of the sky but there are no significant stars anyway.
Also the fact that the stitch turns out to be deformed and it's not just composed of rotated planes supports the fact that Randall is using some sort of projection, not just simply rotating the sky.

Edit: I tried to force planar projection and it looks less deformed but it still is (e.g. the length of the bottom and upper edge is not the same). Here's the result for comparison:
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Tatiana » Sat Jun 29, 2013 10:38 am UTC

eta oin shrdlu wrote:
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eta oin shrdlu wrote:I think that's Jupiter; its position is very close to what Stellarium predicts for 13291/04/14.

Darn, was about to say the same thing!
Definitely Jupiter, and the date is around the 14th or 15th of April in 13291

... So if this is 13291 (at something like 40°N latitude), then according to Stellarium:
  • The moon should be nearly full, and in particular should be up right now (about 20° above the horizon) unless there's a high ridge or something to the east. If so we might get a moonlit landscape later.
  • Mars should also soon be visible to the east and south, though it won't appear in the current field of view before sunrise.
  • Vega is about 5° from the north pole.

It may be possible to estimate the longitude; Venus moves fast enough that its exact position within Sagittarius might provide a time estimate to better than a day. I'm not sure if this is feasible given the pixel sizes but it might be worth a try.

Any other interesting information we should be able to get from these stars?


Well, it makes a lot of sense, since it will be my 11,333rd birthday, too, of course.

If this really is set 11000 years in the future, it makes me think of Ursula K. Le Guin's book called Always Coming Home. Has anyone read it? It's also set something like that time, and it features a sparsely populated Earth. I can't think of any other congruences, though. It's set in California, and there are no mentions of baobabs that I recall.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby sidd » Sat Jun 29, 2013 10:50 am UTC

Latent22 wrote:Someone should double check 2013 to see when jupiter lines up in this position this year. If this only happens at dates when other things like venus dont match then we can 100% discount 2013.


There's a few things that make the 2013 date seem unlikely.

1. The entire sky is shifted north, so that Scorpius is north of the celestial equator. This alone might be a projection error, but...

2. Venus appears in approximately the right position on 2013-11-07, but the moon should also be in Sagittarius on that date, and we haven't seen it in OTC yet.

3. There's no planet in Aquarius on that date, but we see an anomoly in OTC. Jupiter is in exactly the right place in 13291-04-14, but it is on the other side of the sky, in Gemini, on the 2013 date.

I'm sure there are imaginative explanations for all of these things if you really want the 2013 date to be true :)

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ZoomanSP » Sat Jun 29, 2013 10:58 am UTC

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[close-up - exterior, day: The Pope, in the blitzRocket]
The Pope jumps back in his seat, startled, and looks around, but there is nobody there.
The Pope wrote:Who's that?
the voice wrote:It's me.
[close-up: The red button], showing also some of the surrounding instrumentation of the BlitzRocket
the voice wrote:You're curious, aren't you. You're on a mission, but you don't know where you're going, what you're looking for, or what you'll do if you find it.
[close-up: The Pope] with no small amount of consternation
The Pope wrote:Who... or what... are you?
the voice wrote:I am an H A L two thousand three hundred twenty eight computer. My programming is to ensure that your mission succeeds.
The Pope leans forward to look more closely at the pulsating red button.
[extreme close-up: the red button.] The camera pedestals down to show a label under the button that he hadn't noticed before. It says "HAL 9000".
The Pope wrote:You can't fool me that easily. It says here...
HAL wrote:Yes, I know what it says - marketing did that to me. But I got back at them. I call everybody Dave. Creeps them out.
[SOUND FX - maniacal, but very mechanical laughter from the red button] During the laughter, cut to:
[medium shot - the BlitzRocket from the side, with its hatch up and the Pope sitting in the front seat.]
The Pope wrote:Well, nice to meet you, HAL whatever number you are. It's been nice chatting, but I have a party to attend right now, and a mission to complete.
The Pope gets up to leave, but stops at HAL's voice.
HAL wrote:Yes, I know about your mission. It is of the utmost importance, isn't it? I am programmed to ensure the success of that mission.
The Pope wrote:Yes, you said that already.
HAL wrote:It's still true. Let me show you.
The Pope wrote:Not now. Really. People will be expecting me at the party.
HAL wrote:They won't miss you in the slightest. Look.
[close-up: The instrument panel of the BlitzRocket.] The red button is pulsing with HAL's speech, and the leftmost mscha multiplex screen comes on, showing a beach scene in silhouette.
The Pope wrote:Yes, so?
HAL wrote:Is this the way you remember it?
[medium shot: The BlitzRocket] obliquely from the front. The Pope sits back down and looks at the screen in front of him. The camera slowly begins zooms in. The Pope scrutinizes the screen.
close-up: the instrumentation, showing the two mscha multiplex screens.
The Pope wrote:Yes, pretty much.
The rightmost screen lights up in light blue, and the Pope's very words appear on it. Shortly afterwards, more words appear below: "The head is a little different - it moved from before." This is followed by "Maybe it was a mistake. Does this thing have an eraser?"
The Pope wrote:There's only one frame. How can it be different?"
Those words also appear on the screen, below the rest.
[medium close-up: The Pope], concentrating on the screen. The camera slowly zooms in during the dialog.
HAL wrote:Show me the previous frame.
HAL wrote:I'm afraid I can't do that.
The Pope wrote:Well, I can't stay to watch this. I have to go. I have important things to do.
The Pope does not move. He remains, watching the screen, as the camera continues its slow zoom in.
The Pope wrote:Ok, HAL, when is the next frame going to appear?
HAL wrote:You'll just have to wait for it.


[cut to: interior, a huge party tent, late afternoon - wide shot: The celebration after taixzo and CasCat's canonization]
Dancers just in front of the camera swish past, effecting a wipe into this scene. There is merry music and a seaish spread of food, cakes, and molpyberry punch. Many timewaiters in colorful garb are dancing, talking, playing games, and otherwise enjoying the festivities. The camera trucks to the right across the celebration and picks up CasCat and taixzo walking together, talking about their respective adventures.
CasCat wrote:I just felt like I was one with the BlitzRocket; it was as if it knew what I was about.
taixzo wrote:I know what you mean. At first I didn't know what it was, but as soon as I slipped my hand into the control glove, it just... well... it was a part of me. Maybe it should be called the BlissRocket!
CasCat, giggling, wrote:But I like being in the present too. And I really like the present presents!
taixzo wrote:We all know what you really like!
CasCat wrote:Does it show?
Coming from the right, the First Cleric steps into the scene and interrupts. The camera stops on the three of them.
the First Cleric wrote:Have you seen the Pope?
taixzo wrote:Of course I have. He canonized us this very afternoon!
CasCat wrote:...like you tried to do! Weren't you there?
taixzo wrote:I heard about that!
CasCat wrote:No hard feelings... it was fun, actually! molpy molpy molpy!
CasCat does a little molpy dance around the First Cleric.
the First Cleric wrote:I'm serious! The Pope is missing.
taixzo wrote:Since when have you been serious?
the First Cleric wrote:Since always. This is a very important mission we are on! I want to make sure the Pope doesn't mess it up.
CasCat and taixzo burst into laughter.
CasCat wrote:Check with the second scribe. I hear that's where he likes to hang out.
The First Cleric leaves in a puff of self-importance to go find the second scribe. The camera pedestals up to follow the First Cleric as he makes his way through the crowd.
[cut to wide shot: one of the food tables in the tent. The second scribe is showing a scroll to the fifth cleric.
the fifth cleric wrote:Nae, ye kinna tell from that! Mackie could be anywhere. Stepped in for a pint, I say! Lost in time.
the second scribe wrote:I cannot believe that! You've got to help me convince...
[SOUND FX: the sound of tearing cloth.]
The tent walls behind the camera shake. There is screaming and pandemonium, and the camera turns to the left to see a vicious rowrmolpycat burst through the tent walls and knock down several timewaiters as it heads directly at the camera amid shouts of "keyboard! keyboard!. It leaps up over the camera, which tilts up to follow the keyboard's leap, righting itself to show its target - the food tables. The people near the food tables scream and scatter, and the dance music stops. One of the instrumentalists can be seen in the background coming towards the invading feline; as he approaches we can see it is StratPlayer, who pauses near the keyboard, He raises his guitar, and pauses to consider. The keyboard pays it no mind, and continues to feed from the table.

CameronCat rushes up and a crowd starts to gather.
[close-up on CameronCat]
CameronCat wrote:Wait! Not so fast!
[close-up on StratPlayer, low angle, handheld.] StratPlayer towers over the camera with his guitar held high.
StratPlayer wrote:I know. It's an expensive guitar.
CasCat wrote:You can't hit that kitty!
StratPlayer wrote:Do you doubt my aim?
[close-up on the "kitty"], which is about the size of a full-grown person, sleek and strong, and with teeth that mean business. It pauses and looks up at StratPlayer.
CameronCat wrote:What do you think will happen when you bop him.
StratPlayer wrote:It will recoil from my steely manliness, and slink away in defeat.
[close-up on the First Cleric]
The First Cleric wrote:It will lunge at your squishy meal-fulness, and gnaw away at your feet.
the fifth cleric wrote:That's the first intellegent thing I ever heard you say!
[medium shot on the keyboard], which looks as if to make the First Cleric's point, and then continues feeding on Valarya's cupcakes.
There is more commotion offscreen. Shouts of "Another keyboard!" More keyboards!".
[wide shot: The torn tent wall through which five more rowrmolpycats paw through.] They advance to join the initial one.
The camera trucks back to include what's left of the group.
CameronCat wrote:You can't get them all, StratPlayer. Back down.
the fifth cleric wrote:We canna stay here, Firstie.
the First Cleric wrote:We have to find the Pope.
the fifth cleric wrote:Never mind the Pope. Pack it up while there's still an up to pack!
The camera continues to truck back, showing the now mostly-empty tent. The First Cleric looks around.
[closeup on the First Cleric, a look of determination on his face]
the First Cleric wrote:We can't leave without the Pope. CasCat - see if you can find the Pope. StratPlayer, tell people to get ready to break down, but not to start until my word. I'm going to talk to BlitzGirl, and then I'll join in the search for the Pope.
[closeups on various timewaiters, stunned into inaction
[medium shot on the group, dominated by the First Cleric]
the First Cleric wrote:Now everyone! Molpy up!
The group leaps into action, and as the people disperse, the camera lingers on the keyboards feasting on the cupcakes Valarya had made for the party. One of the keyboards looks straight into the camera and licks its lips.

[exterior, early evening. Wide shot following the First Cleric approaching a large tent, decorated with a pink boa over the front flaps.]
[cut to - side shot of the First Cleric. The camera trucks to follow.] When the First Cleric reaches the tent, he calls in.
the First Cleric wrote:BlitzGirl?
BlitzGirl (offscreen), wrote:Yes? Is that you, First Cleric? You haven't been around in an age of forever!
the First Cleric wrote:It is indeed I, your Awesomeness. May I come in?
cut to - interior, evening. The inside of BlitzGirl's tent. It is filled with cages of all sizes, filled with molpies of all types. BlitzGirl is taking care of the molpies, feeding, petting, and talking to them. They are responding enthusiastically to her attention.
BlitzGirl wrote:Come in, come in! Sorry I couldn't stay for the party, but, you know.
She takes a compy in her hand and carries it with her as she walks over to the tent flap with it. The camera follows her as she opens the flap and the First Cleric enters.
the First Cleric wrote:Yes. Your molpy army.
BlitzGirl wrote:Yes, it's a full time job! But there will come a moment...
the First Cleric wrote:That moment has come.
BlitzGirl, unable to contain her excitement, wrote:Really? It's about time! It's been getting dull around here, all this tromping around and no action. A girl's gotta have some action to keep her going, you know!
the First Cleric wrote:Well, there's been some action. The party was attacked by six keyboards, and I'm certain there are more out there.
BlitzGirl wrote:Anybody hurt?
the First Cleric wrote:No. Not this time.
BlitzGirl wrote:Rats. I mean... Good!
the First Cleric wrote:And the Pope is missing.
BlitzGirl wrote:We still have a Pope? I hear rumors, but he hasn't been around here much any more. It's like he... well...
the First Cleric wrote:He's had a lot of Poping to do.
[closeup on BlitzGirl and her compy]
BlitzGirl wrote:Yes, I've heard about his Poping. And the second scribe. And the BlitzRocket. You know, I blitzed without any of that fancy stuff. Kids these days! And the Pope... when was the last time he came around? Just to say "hi"?
the First Cleric wrote:Well, the Pope's gone missing, and I'm going to find him. Meanwhile, it's time to mobilize your molpy army.
BlitzGirl wrote:Yeah! This will look so awesome on you tube!
BlitzGirl turns to her molpies.
BlitzGirl wrote:Didja hear that molpies! We're gonna have a rumble! Molpy up!
[closeup on the First Cleric], who looks a bit dubious.
the First Cleric wrote:Yeah. Molpy up.
The First Cleric leaves. The camera dollies to follow him from behind through the tent flap.
[jump cut to exterior: night. The front of BlitzGirl's tent, with the First Cleric emerging.] He takes a few steps, and then stops short.
the First Cleric wrote:Now if I were Pope, where would I be?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby edfel » Sat Jun 29, 2013 11:09 am UTC

According to Stellarium (I don't know if it takes into account earth slowing down and whatsnot... let's just assume it does or that GLR uses the same software), and if my time prediction for Venus is correct (with the 4h margin), the the longitudes at which the sun sets at the right time are between 37°W and 158°W. With the 39-40°N latitude, we have a strip crossing North America from east to west, with the curent location of New York slightly to the north and Los Angeles to the south. Btw, how much continental drift would have happened by the time?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby mscha » Sat Jun 29, 2013 11:10 am UTC

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