1190: "Time"

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby NetWeasel » Sun Jul 21, 2013 8:45 pm UTC

PredictiONG:
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ETA: PagePope Decree: Estimates of current water level -- anyone? Anyone? Beuller?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ChronosDragon » Sun Jul 21, 2013 8:49 pm UTC

NetWeasel wrote:PredictiONG:
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ETA: PagePope Decree: Estimates of current water level -- anyone? Anyone? Beuller?


The blackout frame was actually a cut back to the sandcastle. The water level is now above the height of the camera's field of view.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby AluisioASG » Sun Jul 21, 2013 8:53 pm UTC

ChronosDragon wrote:
NetWeasel wrote:PredictiONG:
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ETA: PagePope Decree: Estimates of current water level -- anyone? Anyone? Beuller?

The blackout frame was actually a cut back to the sandcastle. The water level is now above the height of the camera's field of view.

I think those were actually the hills.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby a_s_h_e_n » Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:01 pm UTC

ClimbONG down the cliff

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Earthling on Mars » Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:07 pm UTC

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Tatiana wrote:You know, it occurs to me that Hypatia took out an existing map and then wrote on it, didn't she? She said "I will build you a map to understanding." Then she got out the book and didn't she make marks on the map? So they must have many copies of such things, for her to deface it like that, right?

You mean this frame?
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I took it to mean that she was pointing to various areas on the map and saying the words. I don't think it would look that smudged if she was writing.

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Based on the geography of the Mediterranean basin, can we figure out what they didn't follow the river through back in frame 1218?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Someguy945 » Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:14 pm UTC

a_s_h_e_n wrote:ClimbONG down the cliff
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I thought they were going to climb this tower and take a look at the water level.

Then again, maybe they did. They were a whole screen away 1 NP ago, we could be missing all sorts of stuff.

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Re: Cake Time!

Postby Angelastic » Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:14 pm UTC

AluisioASG wrote:Cakes for Angelastic:
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Thanks!

I think the cliff/dyke/shored-up berm?/tunnel thing is the 'tower' they were referring to. They wanted to get back there to spend the night; they don't care about the survey tower.

There has been some speculation about a temperature drop as compared to what we would expect in such a deep basin. Do you think we could figure out the temperature based on the estimated altitude of the grapevines (and, yes, various molpy molpy molpies) and the temperatures they can survive in? Though I guess we don't know for sure they were grapes

There's a song I've been wanting to OTTify for mips, if only because I love the song and it has the line 'That's where the beach was, that's where the sea...' in it. Well, I think I finally have enough information to do it, if I make a pessimistic assumption about Cuegan's current quest.

Gulf Water Song
an OTTification of Gulf War Song by Moxy Früvous

We all were told how to escape from the water in the Gulf
But we couldn't save anyone's family
So we tried, then gave up, 'cause the sage was not wrong
But we tried so damn thumb-in-a-damly [or don't-breach/give-a-damly?]
Spoiler:
What makes a person so poisonous righteous
That they'd think less of anyone who just disagreed?
They are just scientists, we are just optimists
If we said they were crazy, would they leave us at sea?

Fighters for safe retreat, fighters for racing
Fighters for all the souls in the basin
Don't tell us we can't fight, just 'cause you know you're right
Your history seems to agree that heroes fight through the sea.

So we ran and we watched as the water lapped at the hills
And we learned so much more from our sortie.
Will we sail? Will we fail? Were the questions unasked.
Will we die for the sake of the forty?
What could we say... we still don't understand the world?
The tsunami of knowledge through which we have been hurled.
Our kind of life makes such ravages unthinkable
We like to build castles, take swims and feed squirrels…

Fighters for prudent plans, fighters for racing
Fighters for all the souls in the basin
Don't tell us we can't fight just 'cause you know you're right
Your history seems to agree that heroes fight through the sea
That one would fight all for three

We are just simpletons, they are just naysayers.
That's where the beach was, that's where the sea...
What could we say... we still don't understand the world?
And history seems to agree
that heroes fight through the sea
That one would risk all for three

Is that how it always will be?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby charlie_grumbles » Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:21 pm UTC

svenman wrote:For that matter, how did the Beanies get all the other people in the Mediterranean Basin to believe them? And that would cover a huge area with presumably very many different population groups, all the way to what we know as Syria, Lebanon and Israel.

Actually, you just get each tribe you meet to warn its neighbors. The neighbors are likely similar enough to have some trust. You don't have to go the whole way yourself. But you probably need some proof to pass along. So, perhaps the hill people were charged with this and failed to do so.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby HES » Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:23 pm UTC

Someguy945 wrote:Then again, maybe they did. They were a whole screen away 1 NP ago, we could be missing all sorts of stuff.

I'm surprised we're suddenly skipping through the scenery. I know they're running, and it would be boring to follow the same journey in reverse, but it would at least give GLR a chance to sneak off on holiday
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Re: Cake Time!

Postby NetWeasel » Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:28 pm UTC

Angelastic wrote:Gulf Water Song
an OTTification of Gulf War Song by Moxy Früvous
Spoiler:
We all were told how to escape from the water in the Gulf
But we couldn't save anyone's family
So we tried, then gave up, 'cause the sage was not wrong
But we tried so damn thumb-in-a-damly [or don't-breach/give-a-damly?]
What makes a person so poisonous righteous
That they'd think less of anyone who just disagreed?
They are just scientists, we are just optimists
If we said they were crazy, would they leave us at sea?

Fighters for safe retreat, fighters for racing
Fighters for all the souls in the basin
Don't tell us we can't fight, just 'cause you know you're right
Your history seems to agree that heroes fight through the sea.

So we ran and we watched as the water lapped at the hills
And we learned so much more from our sortie.
Will we sail? Will we fail? Were the questions unasked.
Will we die for the sake of the forty?
What could we say... we still don't understand the world?
The tsunami of knowledge through which we have been hurled.
Our kind of life makes such ravages unthinkable
We like to build castles, take swims and feed squirrels…

Fighters for prudent plans, fighters for racing
Fighters for all the souls in the basin
Don't tell us we can't fight just 'cause you know you're right
Your history seems to agree that heroes fight through the sea
That one would fight all for three

We are just simpletons, they are just naysayers.
That's where the beach was, that's where the sea...
What could we say... we still don't understand the world?
And history seems to agree
that heroes fight through the sea
That one would risk all for three

Is that how it always will be?

That was great! I did not expect another fruhead in this bunch...
NObody expects... anyway, great job!
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby charlie_grumbles » Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:28 pm UTC

taixzo wrote:Am I misunderstanding something here? If the sea level falls, then that causes an increase in salinity due to the evaporation of the sea. But if the level remains the same, and the inflow is due to fresh water (i.e. rivers), where does the extra salt come from? Why would the salinity increase?

Yes, you are missing that the inflow isn't fresh. It's just fresher than what is there now. The Med is saltier than the Atlantic even now. The inflow brings more salt and the evaporation leaves it behind, increasing the concentration. You have to take some out to slow the rate of increase. That happens now due to the hydraulics at the sill with the saltier water being heaver it is lower down and goes out as the Atlantic comes in. .

This was ninja'd to death. Sorry.
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Goodbye

Postby AluisioASG » Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:36 pm UTC

Hello everybody! As promised, I brought some cakes to share with y'all (very seaish):
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And, this being my 700th post, I have a few words to say.

I love this community. I love this place. And I love you all everybody.

This is one of the few places where I can truly be myself (or my projected self, at least). Sometimes being snarky, sometimes apologizing for it. Sometimes contributing, and sometimes just listening. Always gathering new knowledge about everything.


Hmm. This whole thing was much shorter than I'd thought. So here's a plusquack I know very well, my very favorite plusquack indeed:
We know now that in the early years of the one-hundred-tenth century, this world was being watched closely by intelligences greater than Cuegan's and yet as mortal as their own. We know now that as future human beings busied themselves about their various concerns they were scrutinized and studied, perhaps almost as narrowly as a human with a microscope might scrutinize the transient creatures that swarm and multiply in a drop of water. With infinite complacence people went to and fro over the earth about their little affairs, serene in the assurance of their dominion over this small spinning fragment of solar driftwood which by chance or design they had inherited out of the dark mystery of Time and Faith. Yet across an immense timeless gulf, minds that are to their minds as ours are to the raptors in the jungle, intellects vast, cool and yet so sympathetic, regarded this world with curious eyes and slowly and surely drew their plans against the Sea.

(That's amazingly easy to adapt to any situation.)

And with this, I finish what's likely the last post on this account. And I go…
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Re: Cake Time!

Postby mscha » Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:37 pm UTC

Angelastic wrote:Gulf Water Song
an OTTification of Gulf War Song by Moxy Früvous
Spoiler:
We all were told how to escape from the water in the Gulf
But we couldn't save anyone's family
So we tried, then gave up, 'cause the sage was not wrong
But we tried so damn thumb-in-a-damly [or don't-breach/give-a-damly?]
What makes a person so poisonous righteous
That they'd think less of anyone who just disagreed?
They are just scientists, we are just optimists
If we said they were crazy, would they leave us at sea?

Fighters for safe retreat, fighters for racing
Fighters for all the souls in the basin
Don't tell us we can't fight, just 'cause you know you're right
Your history seems to agree that heroes fight through the sea.

So we ran and we watched as the water lapped at the hills
And we learned so much more from our sortie.
Will we sail? Will we fail? Were the questions unasked.
Will we die for the sake of the forty?
What could we say... we still don't understand the world?
The tsunami of knowledge through which we have been hurled.
Our kind of life makes such ravages unthinkable
We like to build castles, take swims and feed squirrels…

Fighters for prudent plans, fighters for racing
Fighters for all the souls in the basin
Don't tell us we can't fight just 'cause you know you're right
Your history seems to agree that heroes fight through the sea
That one would fight all for three

We are just simpletons, they are just naysayers.
That's where the beach was, that's where the sea...
What could we say... we still don't understand the world?
And history seems to agree
that heroes fight through the sea
That one would risk all for three

Is that how it always will be?

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby NetWeasel » Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:38 pm UTC

charlie_grumbles wrote:
taixzo wrote:Am I misunderstanding something here? If the sea level falls, then that causes an increase in salinity due to the evaporation of the sea. But if the level remains the same, and the inflow is due to fresh water (i.e. rivers), where does the extra salt come from? Why would the salinity increase?

Yes, you are missing that the inflow isn't fresh. It's just fresher than what is there now. The Med is saltier than the Atlantic even now. The inflow brings more salt and the evaporation leaves it behind, increasing the concentration. You have to take some out to slow the rate of increase. That happens now due to the hydraulics at the sill with the saltier water being heaver it is lower down and goes out as the Atlantic comes in. .

OK.. the theoretical "project" would be at "wonder of the world" level engineering. Under the dam/lock system, below the underground rail system, there is a 500 meter wide pipe for the Med outflow, with some type of magicone valve system to prevent Atlantic backflow, but where the Med saline can flow out. Then the locks break, so there's no Atlantic inflow until somebody (not naming names...) breaks the magicone valve...


oneClarke magic -- any sufficiently advanced tech, etc. Lets through sealife, blocks Atlantic water.
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Re: Cake Time!

Postby yappobiscuits » Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:40 pm UTC

Angelastic wrote:Gulf Water Song
an OTTification of Gulf War Song by Moxy Früvous

We all were told how to escape from the water in the Gulf
But we couldn't save anyone's family
So we tried, then gave up, 'cause the sage was not wrong
But we tried so damn thumb-in-a-damly [or don't-breach/give-a-damly?]
Spoiler:
What makes a person so poisonous righteous
That they'd think less of anyone who just disagreed?
They are just scientists, we are just optimists
If we said they were crazy, would they leave us at sea?

Fighters for safe retreat, fighters for racing
Fighters for all the souls in the basin
Don't tell us we can't fight, just 'cause you know you're right
Your history seems to agree that heroes fight through the sea.

So we ran and we watched as the water lapped at the hills
And we learned so much more from our sortie.
Will we sail? Will we fail? Were the questions unasked.
Will we die for the sake of the forty?
What could we say... we still don't understand the world?
The tsunami of knowledge through which we have been hurled.
Our kind of life makes such ravages unthinkable
We like to build castles, take swims and feed squirrels…

Fighters for prudent plans, fighters for racing
Fighters for all the souls in the basin
Don't tell us we can't fight just 'cause you know you're right
Your history seems to agree that heroes fight through the sea
That one would fight all for three

We are just simpletons, they are just naysayers.
That's where the beach was, that's where the sea...
What could we say... we still don't understand the world?
And history seems to agree
that heroes fight through the sea
That one would risk all for three

Is that how it always will be?

Awesomeful! I'd never heard of the original, but that was lovely. It's nice to get the occasional non-humorous, more poignant ottification. :)
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Pikrass » Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:40 pm UTC

I've ketchuped! \o/ Oh, it feels good to be in the present again! I love y'all!

Programming stuff (@jovialbard, @Earthling on Mars):
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jovialbard wrote:A beginner tip for programming. Every time you think you need a comment stop to think if maybe it wouldn't be better to take that commented block of code, pull it out into a separate function that describes what it is used for. Sometimes this doesn't work if you have a bit of code that is necessarily dense for the sake of efficiency, but most of the time it improves the quality and readability of the end product. This is a general comment, I've never worked with excel macros (I do mostly web programming these days) so if macros don't make it easy to pull out a function, then please disregard this advice. :)


Reminds me of the Linux guidelines. Excerpts:
  • Tabs are 8 characters, and thus indentations are also 8 characters. [...] If you need more than 3 levels of indentation, you're screwed anyway, and should fix your program.
  • Functions should be short and sweet, and do just one thing. They should fit on one or two screenfuls of text (the ISO/ANSI screen size is 80x24, as we all know) [...] The maximum length of a function is inversely proportional to the complexity and indentation level of that function.
  • NEVER try to explain HOW your code works in a comment: it's much better to write the code so that the _working_ is obvious, and it's a waste of time to explain badly written code. Generally, you want your comments to tell WHAT your code does, not HOW. Also, try to avoid putting comments inside a function body: if the function is so complex that you need to separately comment parts of it, you should probably go back to chapter 6 [previous dot] for a while.


Earthling on Mars wrote:
Pikrass wrote:Python is a good one, as Aluisio pointed out. However, I'd recommend a strongly-typed language, that is a language that doesn't convert e.g. strings to integers automagically. Ruby is strongly-typed, though you don't have to mention the type of a variable.

Python is strongly typed... '1' + '2' returns '12', not 3, and '1' + 2 is an error.


Yeah, I should have switched the two sentences. The "however" was here to counter-balance the "high-level". E.g I wouldn't recommend learning PHP first. Besides its horrible duck-typing, you can't learn data structures properly with it (without OOP).


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When I'm late and I have to run (e.g. to catch the bus), I usually switch my music player to "Run", from the Millenium Actress soundtrack. It gives quite of a boost.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Gedeon » Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:41 pm UTC

charlie_grumbles wrote:
taixzo wrote:Am I misunderstanding something here? If the sea level falls, then that causes an increase in salinity due to the evaporation of the sea. But if the level remains the same, and the inflow is due to fresh water (i.e. rivers), where does the extra salt come from? Why would the salinity increase?

Yes, you are missing that the inflow isn't fresh. It's just fresher than what is there now. The Med is saltier than the Atlantic even now. The inflow brings more salt and the evaporation leaves it behind, increasing the concentration. You have to take some out to slow the rate of increase. That happens now due to the hydraulics at the sill with the saltier water being heaver it is lower down and goes out as the Atlantic comes in. .

This was ninja'd to death. Sorry.


Well rivers influence the equation a bit:

The Adriatic's salinity is lower than the Mediterranean's because the Adriatic collects a third of the fresh water flowing into the Mediterranean, acting as a dilution basin.


Wow, didn't now that. Guess that's why we have richer sea life than the rest of the Med...


But you are right. Without outflow at Gibraltar the sea would get more salty. Maybe some sophisticated dam that still let's water in and out, but keeps it few meter lower?

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby mscha » Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:45 pm UTC

Happy 700th, AluisioASG, and thanks for the, um, interesting looking cake... Image
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ZoomanSP » Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:47 pm UTC

=== Blindpost from the end of NP1173 ===

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby yappobiscuits » Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:48 pm UTC

Pikrass wrote:"On-topic": I'm not pope (I wanted to but wasn't fast enough to get the papacy for this NP), but I'd like to issue a decree anyway. If you know of some, share musics related to running: whether you listen to them when running, or that just have a "RUN!" feeling to them. Movie soundtracks often have great ones.
When I'm late and I have to run (e.g. to catch the bus), I usually switch my music player to "Run", from the Millenium Actress soundtrack. It gives quite of a boost.

This piece from the Doctor Who soundtrack makes anything more exciting (and would be certainly suitable here!) :mrgreen:
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Re: Goodbye

Postby pelrigg » Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:58 pm UTC

AluisioASG wrote:Hello everybody! As promised, I brought some cakes to share with y'all (very seaish):


And, this being my 700th post, I have a few words to say.

I love this community. I love this place. And I love you all everybody.

This is one of the few places where I can truly be myself (or my projected self, at least). Sometimes being snarky, sometimes apologizing for it. Sometimes contributing, and sometimes just listening. Always gathering new knowledge about everything.

<snip>

And with this, I finish what's likely the last post on this account. And I go…


What? Huh? You're "leaving"? Never to return?
Say it ain't so, Aluisio!!!
First charlie (who did return. Hurrah.), then mscha says he's thinking about going, and now Aluisio?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby fhorn » Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:00 pm UTC

runnONG out of time?
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eta: Aluisio, where are you going? :cry:
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby pelrigg » Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:00 pm UTC

Down ONG down we go
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Wow, that didn't take them long to get down did it? Now to figure out where this is!

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Wait. This is The Long Night Tree!!!!!!
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Random musings

Postby Davidy » Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:01 pm UTC

I would suggest that the tree that Megan tasted the fruit of, and then spit out in disgust, was an olive tree.
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Why do we assume the 40 are a nomadic tribe? Because they live in tents? If this were the case, what earthly use would they have for 15 foot ladders and piles of lumber laying around?
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These aren't things that a nomadic tribe would have a lot of use for. They probably have a library of written records, at least to the extent that they know what castles look like and how trebuchets and built and used. That Cuegan don't know about the sea suggests that they don't really live by the sea. Perhaps a few miles away but not close enough that they visit often.

I think the 40 are actually two extended family units. Consider one family of two elder pairs, each pair having three children who intermarry to produce three pairs. These three pairs each have three more children. This is a total so far of 19. A second family unit would double that. Some may have had two children; some might have had four. I put Megan and Cueball in their early twenties, within childbearing age. Others in their "tribe' may well have children and some of the 40 may be infants. At any rate, the total is now 40, with Megan and Cueball (and Beret girl) likely being cousins (if not siblings, or even a married pair).

The Beanies are probably a lot more sophisticated than they seem on the surface. They apparently have the ability to travel long distances - they know something is going on at Gibralter and they know the extent of the Medeterrean Sea, having mapped it beyond Italy and to Greece and the African north coast. They know events from thousands of years ago, when "we people first walked and first built cities [and] the seas were joined". It's estimated that the Medeterrean was sealed off from the Atlantic 5M years ago and only became connected again 170K years ago (when the Beanie parents were learning to walk upright).
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The Beanies knew of these events probably from written records or maybe from ongoing exploration and research. We only saw them in their fortress, but if we accept that the fortress is on the Isle d'if, then it's only now 2 km from shore. With the Medeterrean drained, it was certainly connected and an easy walk to the mainland where the other Beanies lived. When they "...tried to remove everybody from the basin..." did they simply move them to higher ground, or did they bring them north (to Marseilles)?

We haven't really pinpointed where Cuegan came from. Since they walked east (into the morning sun) for a day before turning north, I would put them somewhere near the "A" in the map's "This sea is yours".
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This would put them probably around 200 Km southwest of Marseilles, somewhere in the vicinity of present Cap de Creus Spain. This fits in with the amount of walking they've done.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Ximenez » Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:04 pm UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Gedeon » Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:06 pm UTC

pelrigg wrote:Down ONG down we go
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Wow, that didn't take them long to get down did it? Now to figure out where this is!

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Wait. This is The Long Night Tree!!!!!!


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Re: Random musings

Postby mscha » Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:09 pm UTC

Davidy wrote:I would suggest that the tree that Megan tasted the fruit of, and then spit out in disgust, was an olive tree.
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Good find! I think you're right.

Davidy wrote:Why do we assume the 40 are a nomadic tribe? Because they live in tents? If this were the case, what earthly use would they have for 15 foot ladders and piles of lumber laying around?

Well, the lumber flows down their seasonal river, from the People in the Hills. The ladder might have as well.
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These aren't things that a nomadic tribe would have a lot of use for. They probably have a library of written records, at least to the extent that they know what castles look like and how trebuchets and built and used. That Cuegan don't know about the sea suggests that they don't really live by the sea. Perhaps a few miles away but not close enough that they visit often.

They're a group of 40, we don't know if they're a nomadic tribe, but I'd certainly call them a tribe. They're a bit small to build a library of written records. We're not even sure they can read, although Megan at least has no trouble reading a map. (Which would be surprising if she's never seen one.)

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Re: Goodbye

Postby yappobiscuits » Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:14 pm UTC

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Re: Cake Time!

Postby Angelastic » Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:17 pm UTC

NetWeasel wrote:
Angelastic wrote:Gulf Water Song
an OTTification of Gulf War Song by Moxy Früvous
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We all were told how to escape from the water in the Gulf
But we couldn't save anyone's family
So we tried, then gave up, 'cause the sage was not wrong
But we tried so damn thumb-in-a-damly [or don't-breach/give-a-damly?]
What makes a person so poisonous righteous
That they'd think less of anyone who just disagreed?
They are just scientists, we are just optimists
If we said they were crazy, would they leave us at sea?

Fighters for safe retreat, fighters for racing
Fighters for all the souls in the basin
Don't tell us we can't fight, just 'cause you know you're right
Your history seems to agree that heroes fight through the sea.

So we ran and we watched as the water lapped at the hills
And we learned so much more from our sortie.
Will we sail? Will we fail? Were the questions unasked.
Will we die for the sake of the forty?
What could we say... we still don't understand the world?
The tsunami of knowledge through which we have been hurled.
Our kind of life makes such ravages unthinkable
We like to build castles, take swims and feed squirrels…

Fighters for prudent plans, fighters for racing
Fighters for all the souls in the basin
Don't tell us we can't fight just 'cause you know you're right
Your history seems to agree that heroes fight through the sea
That one would fight all for three

We are just simpletons, they are just naysayers.
That's where the beach was, that's where the sea...
What could we say... we still don't understand the world?
And history seems to agree
that heroes fight through the sea
That one would risk all for three

Is that how it always will be?

That was great! I did not expect another fruhead in this bunch...


Neither did I, though I hoped (and I found only a few references when I searched the entire forum a while agoBTW.) :D You might like my earlier OTTification of River Valley, from just after they encountered the river. It was a simpler time.

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Thanks! Thanks also mscha and yappo for your comments. :)

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Re: Random musings

Postby keshat » Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:32 pm UTC

Davidy wrote:[...]

We haven't really pinpointed where Cuegan came from. Since they walked east (into the morning sun) for a day before turning north, I would put them somewhere near the "A" in the map's "This sea is yours".
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This would put them probably around 200 Km southwest of Marseilles, somewhere in the vicinity of present Cap de Creus Spain. This fits in with the amount of walking they've done.


I think if you look about the space of two letters to the right of "A" you mention, you'll see a river marked with a dotted line. I think this is Megball's starting point.

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Re: Cake Time!

Postby NetWeasel » Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:34 pm UTC

Angelastic wrote:BTWI just repeated my search for 'Moxy' to see whether it was NetWeasel who I'd found mentioning Moxy Früvous before. It wasn't, but I did find this post by me claiming that I was too intimidated to even try learning to sing their song Johnny Saucep'n. Well, as it happens, I learnt the chorus of that over the last couple of days, and I actually can pronounce all the words and get them all out in one breath. Plus it was way easier to memorise than Chicken Monkey Duck, due to the rhymes, the length, and the much lower probability of undetectable errors. Never be afraid to try, OTTers!

Dang it! I was going to challenge you to OTT Johnny Saucep'n (Well, they were just a little Cuegan when they started buildin' castles...) One of the toughest choruses ever -- they did it even faster live...
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Xenocat » Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:35 pm UTC

Cueball seems to be looking backwards, are they being followed? Or maybe he's just looking at their earlier campsite.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby keshat » Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:43 pm UTC

Xenocat wrote:Cueball seems to be looking backwards, are they being followed? Or maybe he's just looking at their earlier campsite.

I noticed the same thing, and wondered if he just spotted the sea to their left (the east)...

ChronosDragon wrote:The blackout frame was actually a cut back to the sandcastle. The water level is now above the height of the camera's field of view.

I have been wondering the same thing, and fear that you are correct.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby mscha » Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:45 pm UTC

They are going a lot faster than on the way up... (Or perhaps the GLR is just skipping more, this time around.)
We skipped (almost) two entire ‘scenes’, frame 2546 trough frame 2551, and frame 2552 through frame 2568. Not the simplest ‘scenes’ to cross either, even going down.

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Re: Cake Time!

Postby Angelastic » Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:48 pm UTC

NetWeasel wrote:
Angelastic wrote:BTWI just repeated my search for 'Moxy' to see whether it was NetWeasel who I'd found mentioning Moxy Früvous before. It wasn't, but I did find this post by me claiming that I was too intimidated to even try learning to sing their song Johnny Saucep'n. Well, as it happens, I learnt the chorus of that over the last couple of days, and I actually can pronounce all the words and get them all out in one breath. Plus it was way easier to memorise than Chicken Monkey Duck, due to the rhymes, the length, and the much lower probability of undetectable errors. Never be afraid to try, OTTers!

Dang it! I was going to challenge you to OTT Johnny Saucep'n (Well, they were just a little Cuegan when they started buildin' castles...) One of the toughest choruses ever -- they did it even faster live...

I have actually been thinking about that, with, 'well, it was just two people sitting when we came upon this comic... (Something something obscure word that rhymes with comic)' and a list of all the cool things we've seen since then in the chorus. But I've just learnt the original chorus and if I learnt other words to it I might get them confused. It's fairly easy to substitute new words into Chicken Monkey Duck and sing them on the fly, but new words for Johnny Saucep'n would be a whole new thing to learn.

I think I might have been listening to a live version of Johnny Saucep'n, trying to read along and getting tongue-tied already at the second or third word, when I decided it was impossible. Now I can do it in time with the album version but I haven't tried singing along to a live version.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby yappobiscuits » Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:49 pm UTC

Xenocat wrote:Cueball seems to be looking backwards, are they being followed? Or maybe he's just looking at their earlier campsite.

He seems to be looking back and down-ish, rather than far back - I think he's just looking at where they camped.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby svenman » Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:49 pm UTC

charlie_grumbles wrote:
svenman wrote:For that matter, how did the Beanies get all the other people in the Mediterranean Basin to believe them? And that would cover a huge area with presumably very many different population groups, all the way to what we know as Syria, Lebanon and Israel.

Actually, you just get each tribe you meet to warn its neighbors. The neighbors are likely similar enough to have some trust. You don't have to go the whole way yourself. But you probably need some proof to pass along. So, perhaps the hill people were charged with this and failed to do so.

I wouldn't have the trust that this way the message gets passed around to every place it needs to be, essentially unchanged, over thousands of kilometres. Your idea would be good enough to explain how not every single settlement needs to be visited by the Beanies themselves, but the message would still have to be passed on directly by the Beanies to, let's say, local or regional authority figures all over the Mediterranean Basin. Otherwise, by the fourth or fifth retelling, it would seem to be nothing but a rumour, with the passed-along proof easily dismissed. Conclusion: The Beanies must have travelled all over the Mediterranean Basin.

NetWeasel wrote:OK.. the theoretical "project" would be at "wonder of the world" level engineering. Under the dam/lock system, below the underground rail system, there is a 500 meter wide pipe for the Med outflow, with some type of magicone valve system to prevent Atlantic backflow, but where the Med saline can flow out. [...]

oneClarke magic -- any sufficiently advanced tech, etc. Lets through sealife, blocks Atlantic water.

No need to suppose Clarke-magic level tech for that. I'd expect that you could just place any opening in the dam at the level where now highly saline water from the Mediterranean flows out into the Atlantic, and that saline outflow will continue to use that opening. The cumulated size of the opening(s) just has to be matched to the managed inflow of lower-salinity Atlantic water to the Mediterranean at the higher level through locks, turbines etc.

Clarke-magic level tech, however, would be nice to keep sea life from getting caught in all those huge turbines, while still enabling it to move freely between the two seas, even up to the size of whales ideally. Once that is sorted out, even the low-level saline outflow towards the Atlantic might be harnessed for generation of hydroelectricity.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Rule110 » Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:56 pm UTC

mscha wrote:They are going a lot faster than on the way up... (Or perhaps the GLR is just skipping more, this time around.)
We skipped (almost) two entire ‘scenes’, frame 2546 trough frame 2551, and frame 2552 through frame 2568. Not the simplest ‘scenes’ to cross either, even going down.

Next newpix, we'll probably be at the scene of Lucky's attack.


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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby mscha » Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:58 pm UTC

svenman wrote:
NetWeasel wrote:oneClarke magic -- any sufficiently advanced tech, etc. Lets through sealife, blocks Atlantic water.

No need to suppose Clarke-magic level tech for that. I'd expect that you could just place any opening in the dam at the level where now highly saline water from the Mediterranean flows out into the Atlantic, and that saline outflow will continue to use that opening. The cumulated size of the opening(s) just has to be matched to the managed inflow of lower-salinity Atlantic water to the Mediterranean at the higher level through locks, turbines etc.

Clarke-magic level tech, however, would be nice to keep sea life from getting caught in all those huge turbines, while still enabling it to move freely between the two seas, even up to the size of whales ideally. Once that is sorted out, even the low-level saline outflow towards the Atlantic might be harnessed for generation of hydroelectricity.

And how will you convince this outflow to flow from a lower into a higher basin? Image You'll need to use a lot of energy to do this, and certainly won't gain any.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby hunjoh » Sun Jul 21, 2013 11:00 pm UTC

I have been digging around looking for more info on the flood, and found this....

http://www.ictja.csic.es/gt/ivone/docs/Garcia-Castellanos_etal._Nature2009+supp.info.pdf

Of particular interest to Cuegan and the Forty is Figure 3, parts C and D, which shows how long they think it took to fill the basin. Given our hypothesis that the basin is already half full, I think this gives the Forty some good news. Basically, their model shows the filling rate increasing dramatically as the cut through the Strait of Gibraltar deepens and widens. So the last part of filling West Mediterranean happens really fast. But since we are guessing that the West Mediterranean basin is already half full, it will fill during the slower initial phase of cutting the channel. Then there is a significant pause in the depth of the West Mediterranean basin as the water overflows the Sicily sill and starts to fill the East Mediterranean basin.


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