1190: "Time"

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Re: no manip on mobile

Postby yappobiscuits » Mon Aug 04, 2014 8:52 pm UTC

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yappobiscuits wrote:What castle is this?

Dunure, a riverish tent-collection in Ayrshire on the west coast of Scotland.

Oh, treeish! I've never been there but I've been to Culzean castle which is pretty much next door. Though that's not a true castle, more just a glorified stately home.

Oh, yappope...
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Re: BlindPost NP2053

Postby ChronosDragon » Mon Aug 04, 2014 9:07 pm UTC

azule wrote:I didn't know the definition of "refactoring" was an issue. I've never had trouble understanding it's meaning, nor thought that it was a newish word. *puzzled*


Same here, I thought it was easy enough to get if you know the definition of factoring. e.g.:
x2 + 5x + 6 = (x + 3) • (x + 2)
though I suppose I discovered the term in the context of an IDE while programming, so it might have been a bit easier to infer.

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I don't think I can talk about "castles near seattle" unless I'm on a postmark. Spoilered for size, and some words in the content.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Valarya » Mon Aug 04, 2014 9:11 pm UTC

I've been to the castle on Lake Geneva close to Montreux, Switzerland. I forget what it's called though. :oops:
*does a bit of googling*
Oh, there we go! The Château de Chillon.

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I saw the recent head-cannon OtherComic and decided to peek out of the basement to see if you guys filked a Trebuchet in. Cause that'd be cute. (Hrmph. I just visited the Newpage 1800 Smiley Repository. How is it we don't have a freaking tiny trebuchet emoticon?!)

Soooooooooooooooooooooo.

Either way... time for a not-treeish amount of Image since I'm only going back just a few newpages and not the hundreds I've missed. 2000?! GUYS!!!

Oh, and hi. RELATED cupcake inside:
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I ACCIDENTALLY A WOOLPY, IS THIS BAD?

Postby ChronosDragon » Mon Aug 04, 2014 9:14 pm UTC

Val! Our ex-ex-resident cupcake minister!

Of course we filked a trebuchet in, and then proceeded to spend not a riverish number of newpages arguing about what to call it (I think the verdict was trebuchat because it includes french redundakitties)
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby balthasar_s » Mon Aug 04, 2014 9:19 pm UTC

There is this: Image on the np1300 repository.
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Re: I ACCIDENTALLY A WOOLPY, IS THIS BAD?

Postby Valarya » Mon Aug 04, 2014 9:22 pm UTC

ChronosDragon wrote:Val! Our ex-ex-resident cupcake minister!

Of course we filked a trebuchet in, and then proceeded to spend not a riverish number of newpages arguing about what to call it (I think the verdict was trebuchat because it includes french redundakitties)


ex-ex?! But oh no, I will always be the Cardinal of Cupcakes. ;)
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balthasar_s wrote:There is this: Image on the np1300 repository.

Ahhh, I went there too but must have missed it. Thanks!
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby HES » Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:15 pm UTC

Nice to see you Val!

I have to be up early tomorrow to catch a raftcastle, so molpy sulking laterally.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby BlitzGirl » Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:41 pm UTC

Not many castles around here, so here's Caerphilly Castle.
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ChronosDragon wrote:Val! Our ex-ex-resident cupcake minister! )

ex-ex?! But oh no, I will always be the Cardinal of Cupcakes. ;)
I believe a double-negative makes a positive here, meaning you are indeed our Cardinal of Cupcakes! Image It's molpish to see you again!
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby SBN » Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:53 pm UTC

Wikipedia calls this a castle, and it isn't too far from me.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby BlitzGirl » Mon Aug 04, 2014 11:39 pm UTC

Might it be a ghost influencing your raptorish-cooker? A ghost with a temporal-tea-powered-remote, perhaps?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby yappobiscuits » Tue Aug 05, 2014 12:01 am UTC

Treeish postcount, BG.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby SBN » Tue Aug 05, 2014 12:02 am UTC

BlitzGirl wrote:Might it be a ghost influencing your raptorish-cooker? A ghost with a temporal-tea-powered-remote, perhaps?

I don't think so, but if it is, I would be very appreciative if it would stop

At the moment we've removed it's access to electricity. Tomorrow I'll do some more investigating, and decide on a course of action. (That is, determine where it fits in the queue of things that need more of my money than I have.)
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby BlitzGirl » Tue Aug 05, 2014 12:07 am UTC

Hope the mustard clears up soon, SBN!

yappobiscuits wrote:Treeish postcount, BG.

Indeed it is (6767). And now I've ruined it. :D

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby SBN » Tue Aug 05, 2014 12:52 am UTC

BlitzGirl wrote:Hope the mustard clears up soon, SBN!

Me too. I feel like I've been hanging out here:
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Postby Eternal Density » Tue Aug 05, 2014 1:44 am UTC

http://www.mustardmusic.co.uk/
Why doesn't this site have any info about VHF?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby BlitzGirl » Tue Aug 05, 2014 1:54 am UTC

I think VHF signed with chirpingmustardmusic, actually.
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Postby Eternal Density » Tue Aug 05, 2014 2:45 am UTC

BlitzGirl wrote:I think VHF signed with chirpingmustardmusic, actually.

Of course!
We wouldn't want unchirped mustard!
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ucim » Tue Aug 05, 2014 3:31 am UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby BlueCrab » Tue Aug 05, 2014 4:22 am UTC

Right. Hopefully that mess is sorted for a while, and I can get ketched up finally!

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ZoomanSP » Tue Aug 05, 2014 4:39 am UTC

Hi Valarya! Molpish to see you! :)

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Angelastic wrote:Das Meer ist groß. Der Fluss ist klein.
I've used Duolinguo too!
Warten für es!
[pedantic]Warte auf es.[/pedantic]

Well… this is not how one would say or write this.
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  • Translating it word by word yields indeed „Warten für es.“ („warten“ = “to wait”; „für“ = “for”; „es“ = “it”). (Please note that the German right quote is the English left quote, while the German left quote is a lowered English right quote.)
  • When we try to translate the meaning, the first step is „Warte auf es.“ („warte“ = imperative form of “to wait”; „auf“ = “on” is the preposition which is used together with “to wait” in German instead of „für“ = “for”; „es“ = “it” still holds as the accusative of „es“ looks the same as its nominative.) However instead of „auf es“ one must use its contraction „darauf“, so we get: „Warte darauf.“
  • Now we get the problem that German has separate formal and informal forms to address someone. „Warte darauf.“ is the informal version as one would address a friend, a relative, or a child. The formal version would be „Warten Sie darauf.“ (Please note the capital „S“ in „Sie“ = “you”-formal.)
  • The next problem is that these commandments expect a very specific “it” to wait for and thus do not preserve the spirit of the First Commandment which leaves it open. This is because the use of the preposition „auf” = “on” (replacing “for”) puts an emphasis on the “it” we are waiting for. Fortunately, German has a separate verb „[etwas] abwarten“ meaning “to wait [for something]” which takes the “it” as a direct object. By using this, we can get rid of the „auf“ and switch back from „darauf“ to a plain „es“:
    „Warte es ab.“ (informal) or
    „Wart's ab.“ (informal abbreviated – like “it's” instead of “it is”) or
    „Warten Sie es ab.“ (formal) or
    „Warten Sie's ab.“ (formal abbreviated).
  • We still have the distinction between formal and informal language which separates our translation from the original First Commandment which leaves this open. To fix this, German allows to use the infinitive instead of the imperative. In the same step, an unspecified direct object (i.e. just an „es“ = “it”) can be dropped.
    So we arrive at the translation:
    „Abwarten.“

    “Wait for it.”

Now we can easily translate a german proverb:

„Abwarten und Tee trinken.“

“Drink tea and wait for it.”

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„Abwartend“ is the presence participle of „abwarten“, so it means “waiting for it“.
If you wait for a specific something, e.g. an answer, just put it in front, in the accusative form: „Antworten abwartend“ = “waiting for replies”.
Please note that there is no comma after „Abwartend“ since this is a complimentary close in German.
T:In fact I am drinking tea right now, so I may as well write: „Abwartend und Tee trinkend”. :)

Well, I for one, would say or write this (actually, I did :) ).
Although your explanation1 is correct, I don't think it's that clear-cut. For example, IMHO it is perfectly fine to say "Wann kommt das Auto?" - "Warte auf es." ("When does the car arrive?" - "Wait for it."). On the other hand, I feel that "Abwarten." as the title text for the OTC wouldn't work (and that is probably what taixzo was looking for). An alternative translation for the First Commandment might be "Warte noch.", which might roughly be translated to "Wait still for it.", and hence additionally includes the Time component.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby BlitzGirl » Tue Aug 05, 2014 4:48 am UTC

BlueCrab wrote:They're talking about sending mustard to Mars! :shock: What are they thinking?!

You had me all excited about Martian mustard, until I realized the article was thirteen yips old. Image I guess they decided it was a bad idea after all!
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第四十八章


(chapter 47)

Morobu glances up at the gradually darkening sky, then back at the mottled-brown duck.
  "Find his way back? Can I ask?"
  "Flight patterns are different. We all know that much. This time of yip the Mountain should be easy, just skirt around the west side, circle part way around and continue ... wherever we're heading. Time it right and you get a boost on the up-slope. But..." There is a pause.
  Morobu offers more crumbs as encouragement. "What changed?"
  "It's not the air, and not the Mountain. But somehow we end up in the wrong place. When I got to this pond I felt like it was too far north. Link was leaving when I arrived. Link felt like it was too far south."
  Morobu finishes the question, "... so Link is trying to get back on course?"
  "Yes," quacks the duck in reply.



Link wrote: Huh, I don't even recall seeing anything I'd call an error in any of your memes, though I did sometimes apply minor tweaks.

Oh, well, they were small I guess. But you seem to be a bit better at thinking of all the grammatical possibilities.
  • In the "Billy Madison" template ("If peeing in your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.") I turned "Miles Davis" into [character adjecive verb-perfect], which allows intransitive verbs such as "CONSIDER ME CHEWED BEESNAKES". In yours you have [verb-tr-perfect], allowing transitive verbs only.
  • In the "Boys’ Life" (1929) meme ("You fellows go out there and play like you’ve never played before!") I was using [verb-inf] for the first and [$0/-past] (the past tense of the previous choice) for the other. Your version uses the perfect tense. The perfect tense is correct (because "you've ..." is "you have ..."); my version was producing "I'M GOING TO GO CAVE LIKE I'VE NEVER WENT CAVE BEFORE."
  • In the Arthur Baer (1938) meme ("You can take a boy out of the country but you can't take the country out of a boy."), I was using "OUT OF" all the time, even when that preposition doesn't match the [place]. For example, mine would generate "YOU CAN TAKE CUEGAN OUT OF THE BEACH...". It shouldn't be "out of", it should be "from" or "away from". You dealt with this by excluding the [place]s that use ON as the preposition denoting location-inclusion. After seeing your code to handle this, I realized I needed to fix mine too and addressed it by adding a directional-origin preposition to the [place] multiclass (the IN/ON test doesn't work for me because I prefer "TAKE ... BACK FROM THE FUTURE" to "TAKE ... OUT OF THE FUTURE").
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  XE ANSWERED, "WINGISH MIPS: THEY'RE WHAT YOU BLITZNAPPING BLITZNAP".
    "REALLY, MS. FRIZZLE?" I REPLIED, "BLITZNAP? WHY NOT WAIT FOR THEM?
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ucim wrote: I'm obviously mustarding the math; I figure that every tile requires two of the previous tiles, except cueballs, which just require a move. So, to make a castle (4 pts) requires two megans, which require four cueballs in all. So in a perfect game the number of points in a tile should equal the number of moves required to make it, no? You'll have more total points (because you keep points from merged tiles), but ignoring random Megans, each move generates a cueball (one potential point), which becomes a point when merged. So the number of moves should be pretty close to the total point value of the visible tiles. No?

When you make two Megans, you score two points apiece. When you eventually merge the two Megans into a castle you get another 4 points. 4+4 = 8 points, but you made 4 moves.

4 Megan-forming points
+ 4 castle-forming points
= 8 = 2 × 4 = moves × log2(moves)


Similarly, to make a trebuchet you first make four Megans (2 points each = 8 points) then you make two castles from the Megans (4 points twice), then make the trebuchet (8 points). You got 8+8+8=24 points out of 8 Cueball tiles:

8 Megan-forming points
+ 8 castle-forming points
+ 8 trebuchet-forming points
= 24 = 8 × 3 = moves × log2(moves)


I'm only counting the moves required to get the "raw materials" from which the larger tiles are made; it always takes a few extra moves to consolidate the pieces — but most of those are happening concurrently with the gruntwork of making Megans from Cueballs, and any extra moves at the end give a few extra Cueballs that count towards some future cascade, so it all works out. In general, your score is close to the number of moves you've taken, multiplied by log2 of the number of moves (an approximation that can be verified by simply starting a new game, counting how many moves you take, and pausing every now and then to write down that number and your score). Or, just watch this Numberphile video. Start at about 14:35 in the video, and remember that in Q04B you get more because the lowest tile (Cueball) is a "1", whereas in 2048 the lowest is a "2".

ucim wrote: You could even overlay the scores with a new message if necessary, letting it go away once it's irrelevant.

Oh yes, of course! And if you want to see the score you could touch/click on the message to make the message go away, then touch again to see the message if any. This is why I need folks to think for me! :D

ucim wrote: What I usually do is, just prior to and just after making a big tile, I manually copy the state string to a text file. I'll also do this prior to running Lucky, after compacting a Lucky streak, prior to a risky move, and if I'm going AFK for a while (in case there's organized sand mustard). I guess that has unknowingly cost me many boosts.

I'm sorry. :( You definitely deserve to give yourself some Cueless and Snake! credits. I know you have been using the boosts (leading to our discussion of the useless messages), but I don't know how much. But you can make a pretty good guess:
  • Try to estimate how many credits you've missed out on. Here's a rough guide: Each Rosetta gives you about 6.5, each laPetite+LBB gives you 13, each "Lucky on Shed" gives you 26, the Beanette/Amtoo Wedding gives about 52.5, and "Hello" (Beach Reunion) gives 105. If you made one or two moves before jumping out of the game (to Options/Info/Credits) then you got one or two credits, but the rest were "lost"
  • Remember that to get the Hello you had to make two Weddings first, and so on, so it's like 105 + 2×52.5 + 4×26 + ... (which explains the 700 or so credits that you calculated you should have gotten during an interval when the score increased by 7 million)
  • Take a note of how many Cueless and Snake! credits you have right now
  • Export and look at your export string. The numbers of Cueless and Snake! credits are easily spotted in the export string, near the end
  • Change the numbers and import
  • Continue your prayers, graced by resurrected credits!

The simplicity of altering the game via export/import is intentional. Yes, that could be "abused", but so what? This hotdog is meant to be fun, and if playing a game entirely on boost credits is fun, then have at it! There is no shame, or implication of "cheating" in a non-competitive solitaire game.

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ChronosDragon wrote:Same here, I thought it was easy enough to get if you know the definition of factoring. e.g.:
x2 + 5x + 6 = (x + 3) • (x + 2)

though I suppose I discovered the term in the context of an IDE while programming, so it might have been a bit easier to infer.

When I first saw the word I assumed it meant "re-making", because I had studied Latin and recognized the root. The way I refactor code is to add new redundant code, test that it works the same with the new as with the old (sometimes I program it to test itself), then switch over, update the block comments and leave the old unused code in there for a year or two. I don't think this is what most people mean by refactoring, though I guess it's a bit like "re-making".

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Re: I'M SORRY, BALDO. I'M AFRAID I CAN'T WAIT FOR THAT.

Postby ChronosDragon » Tue Aug 05, 2014 5:23 am UTC

mrob27 wrote:
ChronosDragon wrote:Same here, I thought it was easy enough to get if you know the definition of factoring. e.g.:
x2 + 5x + 6 = (x + 3) • (x + 2)

though I suppose I discovered the term in the context of an IDE while programming, so it might have been a bit easier to infer.

When I first saw the word I assumed it meant "re-making", because I had studied Latin and recognized the root. The way I refactor code is to add new redundant code, test that it works the same with the new as with the old (sometimes I program it to test itself), then switch over, update the block comments and leave the old unused code in there for a year or two. I don't think this is what most people mean by refactoring, though I guess it's a bit like "re-making".


I think in general refactoring just refers to changing the way the code works without changing what it does, on a small scale or large scale. I can refactor a function to use a more efficient sort method, or I can refactor a whole program to clean up spaghetti code. Same term, different scope.

Also with good coding practice, you should write your unit tests before coding :P Not many people have good coding practices, though.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

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Ithaca, NY? My sister went to college there. I flew up one (rare sunny) day, and a rainstorm the next day filled the plane with water several inches deep and I had to wait almost a week for nice weather and for the plane to drain. (All the water sloshing towards the tail on rotation would have made for an unmolpyish takeoff!)

Was that back in the days when it was a cute little airport, smaller than a bus station? I was a bit sad when it became a real airport of sorts.
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Thanks also for the history on "refactoring." It was easy enough to guess what it meant, but having never heard it before the OTT, and then hearing it repeatedly, I wondered if it was just one of those terms like "rebranding", or "action" as a verb. I thought maybe computery dudes were getting in on the game of fancying up their lingo like business majors have been doing since forever - and that to refactor might essentially mean to fix, where the coder didn't want to admit that he had done a pants job in the first place. But it sounds from your explanation that perhaps I was too quick to mock.
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Re: I'M SORRY, BALDO. I'M AFRAID I CAN'T WAIT FOR THAT.

Postby taixzo » Tue Aug 05, 2014 5:39 am UTC

mrob27 wrote:I wonder how much further this work will go before we're on par with the early AI projects, such as ELIZA or PARRY? @azule has already tagged every word as positive or negative (part of the PARRY design). I'd love to have a chOTTerbot...


Ok, let me take that idea and run with it a bit. The way Chatterbot works (as I understand it) is that when you say something to it, it looks through the database of conversations it has had, and pulls up a reply to a previous question that it deems similar. It often seems disjointed because instead of talking naturally to it, people try to get it to say weird or funny things, or try to prove that it's a robot (which it will generally answer by trying to prove the user is a robot, since that's what it's heard people say to it).

But -

We have a dataset of over 80,000 posts, many of which contain replies to other posts, in plain OTTish and relevant to the subject matter at hand. What if we were to create a Cleverbot-like program and train it with the OTT as input?
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Re: I'M SORRY, BALDO. I'M AFRAID I CAN'T WAIT FOR THAT.

Postby Neil_Boekend » Tue Aug 05, 2014 6:01 am UTC

taixzo wrote:We have a dataset of over 80,000 posts, many of which contain replies to other posts, in plain OTTish and relevant to the subject matter at hand. What if we were to create a Cleverbot-like program and train it with the OTT as input?

The posts don't always reply to the post above it. Quote detection would help to detect whom the poster was replying to.
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Postby BlitzGirl » Tue Aug 05, 2014 6:05 am UTC

balthabotandsar, I haven't been able to see your Ongs todip. :(

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ChronosDragon wrote:Also with good coding practice, you should write your unit tests before coding :P Not many people have good coding practices, though.

I'm not good at figuring out what my code's supposed to do (or where it does it) before I write it :(
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Postby BlitzGirl » Tue Aug 05, 2014 7:27 am UTC

Sounds like your code is seaish - it can do whatever it wants.

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Dunure, a riverish tent-collection in Ayrshire on the west coast of Scotland.

Oh, treeish! I've never been there but I've been to Culzean castle which is pretty much next door. Though that's not a true castle, more just a glorified stately home.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Sustainabilizer » Tue Aug 05, 2014 10:43 am UTC

ZoomanSP wrote:Well, I for one, would say or write this (actually, I did :) ).
Although your explanation1 is correct, I don't think it's that clear-cut. For example, IMHO it is perfectly fine to say "Wann kommt das Auto?" - "Warte auf es." ("When does the car arrive?" - "Wait for it.").

That's interesting. I've never heard or read that before. My answer to “Wann kommt das Auto?” would probably be „Wart's ab.“ or „Abwarten.“.

In a Google search for „auf es“ almost all hits on the first couple of result pages are just coincidences (one sentence **ding in „auf“, the next one starting with „es“, or similar). There is only one result where „auf es“ is indeed used in the sense we are discussing, and even that comes from an exceptional situation (a history book speaking to the reader, enforcing the neuter „es“ at a position which is usually reserved a for female („sie“) or male („er“) actor).

Hmm… „Wart' mal …“ (= “Wait …”) Image *thinking*

In German, a girl („Mädchen“) is gramatically neuter, too („das Mädchen“), which can cause the very same situation. Replacing that book by a girl, we can construct something like: „Das Mädchen warnte vor der Flut, aber niemand hörte auf es.“ (= “The girl warned about the flood, but nobody listened to her.”)

Okay, that works, but it sounds strange, and – according to Google – it seems that most authors avoid that. One can, for instance, re-phrase the sentence above to: „Das Mädchen warnte vor der Flut, aber niemand hörte auf die Kleine.“ (= “The girl warned about the flood, but nobody listened to the small one.”)

Interesting side-notes:
  • In English “to her” indicates that the girl is female, while in German „auf es“ makes her neuter.
  • In German „die Kleine“ indicates that the girl is female, while in English “the small one” leaves this open.
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Nevertheless I didn't find any example where „auf es“ is used for an unspecified „es“ without being substituted by „darauf“.

ZoomanSP wrote:On the other hand, I feel that "Abwarten." as the title text for the OTC wouldn't work (and that is probably what taixzo was looking for).

I don't claim that „Abwarten.“ is a perfect translation of the title text of the OTC, but IMHO it is the best we can come up with.

ZoomanSP wrote:An alternative translation for the First Commandment might be "Warte noch.", which might roughly be translated to "Wait still for it.", and hence additionally includes the Time component.

„Warte noch.“ implies that there will be something after the waiting. The original “Wait for it.“ doesn't imply that.

I agree that the fact that there's no “it” to wait for in „Abwarten.“ is a drawback. „Wart's ab.“ or „Warten Sie es ab.“ has an “it”, but then we must decide whether to use the informal or the formal version.

One can also try to catch the spirit by substituting „Geduld.“ (= “Patience.”). This is a phrase you can say to someone who has not enough patience (for entropy) – which is probably what GLR had in mind when writing down “Wait for it.”. But the same holds for „Abwarten.“ which also preserves the verb “to wait“.

For me, „Abwarten.“ is the best trade-off so far.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby SBN » Tue Aug 05, 2014 11:07 am UTC

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Postby SilentTimer » Tue Aug 05, 2014 12:05 pm UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ZoomanSP » Tue Aug 05, 2014 12:11 pm UTC

Sustainabilizer wrote:„Warte noch.“ implies that there will be something after the waiting. The original “Wait for it.“ doesn't imply that.

What about the "it" we waited for? I think this might be the main difference between the ways you and I interpret the First Commandment. I think that we really waited for something, and were not simply "put on hold". If not, a possible translation might be "Warte...", similar to "Loading..." when booting a hotdog for example.

Sustainabilizer wrote:In German, a girl („Mädchen“) is gramatically neuter, too („das Mädchen“), which can cause the very same situation. Replacing that book by a girl, we can construct something like: „Das Mädchen warnte vor der Flut, aber niemand hörte auf es.“ (= “The girl warned about the flood, but nobody listened to her.”)

I didn't want to bring up "Mädchen" due to the gender confusion, but it is indeed a better example. Yet for the sake of the following argument, let's use "das Kind" ("the child", grammatically neuter in German, too). That's similar to what I thought of when translating to "Warte auf es." Let's assume the following situation: A little boy waits for Santa Clause to bring presents. A dialouge with the parents could be:

"Wann kommt der Weihnachtsmann?" (implizierend: "Ich will meine Geschenke haben.") - "Warte auf ihn." (implizierend: "Er kommt bald, und dann bekommst du deine Geschenke.")
("When does Santa Clause arrive?" (implying: "I want to have my presents.") - "Wait for him." (implying: "He'll arrive soon, and then you'll get your presents.")

Now, in some regions in Germany and elsewhere, instead of Santa Clause, the "Christkind" (grammatically neuter) brings the presents. So if we substitute "Weihnachtsmann" with "Christkind", we get:

"Wann kommt das Christkind?" (implizierend: "Ich will meine Geschenke haben.") - "Warte auf es." (implizierend: "Es kommt bald, und dann bekommst du deine Geschenke.")
("When does the Christkind arrive?" (implying: "I want to have my presents.") - "Wait for it." (implying: "It'll arrive soon, and then you'll get your presents.") (sidenote: whether the biological gender of the Christkind is male or female is not resolved, AFAIK.)

So, here we have "Wait for it." as a valid answer, I think. And although we didn't wait for something specific (that we knew of), I think you could use "it" to describe this very thing (unspecific as it is) we were waiting for.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Sustainabilizer » Tue Aug 05, 2014 12:24 pm UTC

ZoomanSP wrote:What about the "it" we waited for? I think this might be the main difference between the ways you and I interpret the First Commandment. I think that we really waited for something, and were not simply "put on hold". If not, a possible translation might be "Warte...", similar to "Loading..." when booting a hotdog for example.

I agree, but I'd still not put the „es“ into „auf es“, but either drop it („Abwarten.“) or use something like „wart's ab“. The word combination „auf es“ is just so unusual that it can only applied in a context¹. In a standalone phrase² like „Warte auf es.“ it just looks like a too verbatim translation, even if it has in fact been chosen with great care.
ZoomanSP wrote:"Wann kommt das Christkind?" (implizierend: "Ich will meine Geschenke haben.") - "Warte auf es." (implizierend: "Es kommt bald, und dann bekommst du deine Geschenke.")
("When does the Christkind arrive?" (implying: "I want to have my presents.") - "Wait for it." (implying: "It'll arrive soon, and then you'll get your presents.")

Yes, this is a context where „auf es“ makes sense. But even then I'd prefer „Wart's ab.“ (where the „'s“ refers to the event of the appearance of the Christkind rather than to the Christkind xemself) because using „auf es“ would put an empasis on the „es“ and thus on the Christkind's neuter (grammatical) gender – something I try to avoid.
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