Enjoyed the opportunity to more fully work out my previously only vague notions about categorizing some OTT art for the One True Wiki:
svenman wrote:One particular class of colormanip that has given me trouble to categorize are crossings of famous paintings with OTC content. When wikifying these, I stuck to an unwritten (imagined?) rule that a colorization always has to be linked to a particular OTC frame, even if the exact frame may be ambiguous in some cases. But if OTC content from different frames turns up in the same image, then I would not consider it a colorization (of one OTC frame) and therefore had to place it under "OTC Manips", for want of a better-fitting category. [Edit 2: Neither would I if the composition of the colormanipped image strayed too far from the corresponding OTC frame.] The result was that some of the famous paintings/OTC content crossings turned up under "OTC Manips" and some under "OTColored" even though they felt very similar in intent. Maybe they deserve a page of their own? But that requires a good name.
Hmm, yes. That's a toughie. You're mostly talking about these, eh? (Hmm, why don't img tags work with these?)
Yes, precisely. Just as well that you couldn't get img tags to work, wikia doesn't like images on their servers being directly embedded into other webpages (including forum posts) and starts to serve them up in unmolpishly changed resolutions after a while when they detect that happening.
And I've had to reconsider; beyond the common aspect of combining famous paintings with OTC content the intents do
seem to vary. Some of those indeed seem to have been made for the purpose of illustrating OTC frames using parts taken from famous paintings, while others appear to have been made more along the lines of taking bits from the OTC (sometimes just some dialogue) and putting them into a well-known work of art. In other words, the distinction for me is whether I find the content of a particular timeframe in essence fully represented in a manipped image or not. Borderline cases notwithstanding, that does
justify dividing them up between "OTC Manips" and "OTColored". One could, however, make a new wiki page where these images associated with famous works of art are collected in addition
to their remaining on "OTC Manips" and "OTColored".
ggh wrote:Me, I'd be really tempted to throw the first two and yappo's tsunami into OTColoreds, with the multi-frame one arbitrarily listed under the final frame, with a parenthetical reference to the other frames. (Or, as a dodgy workaround, I could 'erase' some of the dialogue to remove the issue.) Actually, I think I might even go as far as to move yappo's Dali too. Charlie's pic... I kinda would like to see it there too, but the total lack of any representation of the Cuegan and the other dialogue... it just seems too incomplete. That's just my 2 cents - I don't think it would be wrong if they stayed where they are either.
I'm most inclined to agree about the first one.
I think I didn't put that one on "OTColored" only because the OTC art is reduced in size relative to the dimensions of the image, which I fully admit is kinda weak as a reason. With the "tsunami" one
(where the previous reasoning also applies in addition) I see a little more justification as the manip shows the raftcastle with the Cueganites in a much more dangerous situation than in the original timeframe.
Disagree about the "Two Men by the Sea" manip:
You couldn't very well use that as a stand-in for the original corresponding timeframes (even bundled together) because there is no Megan and no Cueball to be seen! Just some OTC dialogue added to a painting that happens to show the same number of persons in a similar situation as in the corresponding stretch of the OTC. (That said, as such it works very well and is
a very clever and steakish manip.)
The Dalí manip
also doesn't quite work as an OTColored in my opinion - while we do have a bit of original OTC stick figure art included here, the two protagonists and Megan's one word of dialogue are entirely lifted out of the original context and re-framed (no pun intended) in a completely different one.
Agreed about the Picasso manip.
Very little of the content of the timeframe where the dialogue is taken from is represented in the manip.
ggh wrote:Another big group that's currently split up, and that I could see going into either category is the one where the OTC is not enhanced so much as relocated - on a stomach, on a shirt, on a horse, on a butterfly... ... on an ant farm, on a leaf, on a monument... ...window, barn, cake, cheese... ...puddle, map, eyelid, more cake.... I admit I am guilty for many, but not all, of these. Most of the things in the OTColored category I could imagine as illustrations in a book of Time where the OTA chose not to be the OTI, but not those relocated images, and yet I kinda want these images to live under OTColoreds. I'm not sure how much of that is purely self-interest, since OTColoreds is the glory category insofar at OTColored get UNGed, and how much is a legitimate intent to put the arty things together. Even the arty part isn't simple, because they range from quite purty to not really purty at all. And the issue is more of a problem because I'd like to add some missing images that are like this. For instance, NP2004... half of the images there are in the grey area.
I can really sympathize with your difficulties to categorize these but am afraid I haven't got any helpful input on those either. Except for one rather technical observation with questionable relevance: OTColoreds nearly always conform to the OTC's image dimensions of 553 × 395 pixels, while OTC manips... also do most of the time, as I now see. Okay, nothing to see here, move along.
Treeish recordings, yappo!
Addams, is this
the othercomic you were thinking of?
Steakish song ottification, thunk!
ucim wrote:Even if ggh's "Hi, Cue" doesn't "quite" work, it is redundantly self-referential, as it contains a high Q, having itself within itself.
Oh yes, it still is really really clever all the same.
And Randallspeed, ggh, with getting your treeish riverish greenhouse fully weather- and windproof!
By the way, I'll have to relocate to the Shed for much of the coming two wips. In accessing the OTT I will be limited to my MTA for much of that time, on which it is steambottlish to write anything longer than very brief posts.