1190: "Time"

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby addams » Thu Jul 26, 2018 8:30 pm UTC

balthasar_s wrote:Some of the great discoveries are like this,
you have to be a genius to come up with the solution but you don't have to be one to understand it;

Right?
Yes.
You are beautifully and profoundly correct.

Isn't That Delightful??
We, You and Me, can understand The Mysteries of The Universe.
well...I have to have them explained over and over.

Even then, I can only go so far.
(tisk...) Does anyone want to take a crack at that Flat Universe 'thing'?

This Guy took a Crack at it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blSTTFS8Uco
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj6Kc1mvsdo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YFrISfN7jo

...I got a very restful nap out of it.
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Re: 1190: "Time" – Time revisited – np3089

Postby Sustainabilizer » Thu Jul 26, 2018 8:45 pm UTC

WARNING: HAVE ICE CREAM READY BEFORE OPENUNG
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The end.
-- posted by a quantum mechanic


ETA:
Rakhal wrote:It's my birthdip... a bad day :(

I'm sorry, Image.
Have some ice cream, too. Image
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby svenman » Thu Jul 26, 2018 8:50 pm UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ucim » Thu Jul 26, 2018 9:13 pm UTC

Sure, I'll take a stab at it. Warning - oversimplification ahead!

The universe being flat means that distances are the same no matter where you are and what direction you measure. If the universe isn't flat, then it's stretchy in one direction or another. For example, a foot (measurement) left to right might be shorter if it's right in front of you than if it's far in front of you. This is silly; it's nonsensical in a flat universe. But, if you accept the premise, then in order for this to work out, space has to "bend" in some cockamamie dimension. Imagine it with a flat piece of plastic: pick a point and mark it. Then apply a heat gun that expands the plastic near where the mark is, but doesn't do anything further away. As the plastic sheet expands, it has to go somewhere, and it bulges up. If you do this "everywhere", you can make a ball, or a saddle, or some other shape.

Often this is illustrated using angles, but "stretchy space" is a more fun metaphor.

Now, it turns out that space isn't stretchy like that. This is odd, because as the universe expands and evolves, any little stretchiness should get amplified. Why this is so is buried in math I don't know, and not explained in the video. But since the universe looks flat now, it must have been very flat at its inception.

Or.... something kept imperfections in flatness from building up. That's the inflation thing.

Inflation takes a small piece of stretchy space, and blows it up very quickly, without amplifying imperfections in flatness. A small enough piece of almost anything is going to be pretty flat, so we end up with flat space in the end, sidestepping a lot of the problem.

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The end.
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I think it was a Good day - it resulted in you. Another day to celebrate! (And yeah, you're getting older. It beats the alternative!)

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ggh » Thu Jul 26, 2018 10:22 pm UTC

ucim wrote:The basement is getting quite squirrely...what's going on down there?

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For those of you not in the basement:
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby moody7277 » Thu Jul 26, 2018 10:29 pm UTC

Five years and several baobabish stories have dulled the ache some, but ice cream is still appreciated.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby addams » Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:22 am UTC

ucim wrote:Sure, I'll take a stab at it. Warning - oversimplification ahead!

The universe being flat means that distances are the same no matter where you are and what direction you measure. If the universe isn't flat, then it's stretchy in one direction or another. For example, a foot (measurement) left to right might be shorter if it's right in front of you than if it's far in front of you. This is silly; it's nonsensical in a flat universe. But, if you accept the premise, then in order for this to work out, space has to "bend" in some cockamamie dimension. Imagine it with a flat piece of plastic: pick a point and mark it. Then apply a heat gun that expands the plastic near where the mark is, but doesn't do anything further away. As the plastic sheet expands, it has to go somewhere, and it bulges up. If you do this "everywhere", you can make a ball, or a saddle, or some other shape.

Often this is illustrated using angles, but "stretchy space" is a more fun metaphor.

Now, it turns out that space isn't stretchy like that. This is odd, because as the universe expands and evolves, any little stretchiness should get amplified. Why this is so is buried in math I don't know, and not explained in the video. But since the universe looks flat now, it must have been very flat at its inception.

Or.... something kept imperfections in flatness from building up. That's the inflation thing.

Inflation takes a small piece of stretchy space, and blows it up very quickly, without amplifying imperfections in flatness. A small enough piece of almost anything is going to be pretty flat, so we end up with flat space in the end, sidestepping a lot of the problem.

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Spoiler:
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The end.
-- posted by a quantum mechanic
Well, we now know that the Voldeframe is really a new beginnUNG! It is to be celebrated. Without the Voldeframe, there would be no TaT, TbT, TiT, or any of the other awesomeful creative works going on even now.

Rakhal wrote:It's my birthdip... a bad day :(
I think it was a Good day - it resulted in you. Another day to celebrate! (And yeah, you're getting older. It beats the alternative!)

Jose
Gasp! Rakhal!
Your Birthday?

I agree with Jose.
A day that give us you must be Good.

I hope whatever went Wrong, starts going Right.
Please, wish your Mom a Happy Labor Day.

To You, Jose; Thank You,
And; umm...I'm so sorry.

As I read your post and think of all the things I have been told about Why we can't know what happened at The Beginning;
...well,.Maybe, in that moment our simulation was turned On. We are on a lovely, large, flat screen. Is anyone watching?

I know, I took a leap that would have been a solid step for a Genius.
You Younglings run on ahead. I'll stay here and...
Spoiler:
Wait for it.
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We are all in The Gutter.
Some of us see The Gutter.
Some of us see The Stars.
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1190: "Time" - Time Revisited - np3094

Postby mscha » Fri Jul 27, 2018 1:10 am UTC

UNGLICIZATIONS...
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The end.
(Colorization by pelrigg.)

Replay Time live here!

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AUTOMOME wrote:TAWK AMONGST YOA-XELVES. I'LL GIVE YOO A TOAPIC... THE EPSILONISH ZANCLEAN MOLPY WAS NEITHER EPSILONISH NOR ZANCLEAN NOR A MOLPY. DISCUSS.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby SBN » Fri Jul 27, 2018 1:14 am UTC

ucim wrote:Well, we now know that the Voldeframe is really a new beginnUNG! It is to be celebrated. Without the Voldeframe, there would be no TaT, TbT, TiT, or any of the other awesomeful creative works going on even now.



I love this place. Organized Sand replaced. Work m*stard, not dispelled, but shoved off to the side so I can start figuring out what to do with it.

Still have too much going on outs*de.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ucim » Fri Jul 27, 2018 2:42 am UTC

SBN wrote: Work m*stard, not dispelled, but shoved off to the side so I can start figuring out what to do with it.
Put it on a hotdog! There's no shortage of them in the thread. :)

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If you don't leap, you don't fly.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby addams » Fri Jul 27, 2018 4:26 am UTC

SBN wrote:I love this place.
You are loved in this place.
It is so good to see your name, again.
Life is, just, an exchange of electrons; It is up to us to give it meaning.

We are all in The Gutter.
Some of us see The Gutter.
Some of us see The Stars.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby balthasar_s » Sun Jul 29, 2018 9:19 am UTC

Looks like the story can continue now.
...
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Not to do what?

...

I see you're not interested in the game.
I thought you would like it.

Anyway, here's the solution.


We have seen this already.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby moody7277 » Sun Jul 29, 2018 1:24 pm UTC

ExplainUNG
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A noble task.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ggh » Sun Jul 29, 2018 5:54 pm UTC

Ooh! Trees!
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby SBN » Mon Jul 30, 2018 2:12 am UTC

ggh wrote:Ooh! Trees!


Not to be confused with Wow Trees.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ucim » Mon Jul 30, 2018 2:48 am UTC

moody7277 wrote:A noble task.
Or a Nobel task.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby svenman » Mon Jul 30, 2018 6:50 pm UTC

New othercomic.

Like in many other places all over the Northern Hemisphere, here in Germany it is currently very hot indeed. At least we don't have to deal with any large-scale wildfires... yet.

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moody7277 wrote:A noble task.
Or a Nobel task.

For an additional challenge, try doing it using the 1000 most common words of your language only...
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby balthasar_s » Mon Jul 30, 2018 9:13 pm UTC

Give this challenge to ms Frizzle.
A way to find out the 1000 most common Beanish words!
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby svenman » Thu Aug 02, 2018 5:12 am UTC

New othercomic.

New phys frame, very RELATED to this thread:
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Re: 1.1.9.0: "Time"

Postby balthasar_s » Thu Aug 02, 2018 7:34 am UTC

You might have noticed that the latest phys frame was onged one hour late.
That's because at ong time there was no electricity here, so nothing could be done.

But because of the power fail I finally managed to discover why sometimes the server becomes inaccessible even though it still works.

The server must have a fixed IP address in the internal network, so that the router knows where to redirect incoming connections.
So I configured in /etc/network/interfaces that the address should be 192.168.1.3.
And indeed, when I start the server then it connects to the network using this IP address.

But if for some reason one of these two things happens:
- There is a power fail and both the router and the server are starting again when electricity returns and the server is faster than the router and it waits for the connection to appear.
or
- The router is reset so there is a temporary drop in connection

then the server has to reconnect again. But when it does this it ignores my settings in /etc/hosts/interfaces and instead of using the address 192.168.1.3 it gets the address by DHCP and uses whatever the router gives it, for example 192.168.1.129.
And because of this any incoming connections can not reach the server any more.

So now I know what is happening but I don't know why.
I don't know why it respects the settings when it connects for the first time but it doesn't when it reconnects again.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby addams » Thu Aug 02, 2018 8:19 am UTC

Color me impressed.
I don't know my own IP address.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ucim » Thu Aug 02, 2018 1:48 pm UTC

addams wrote:Color me impressed.
I don't know my own IP address.
Google knows. Just ask it nicely. :)

Google knows everything. Just not everything it knows is true.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby svenman » Fri Aug 03, 2018 9:02 pm UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ZoomanSP » Sat Aug 04, 2018 6:59 am UTC

Hi everymolpy!

I'm back from the OutsideH, but unfortunately fighting a coordinated attack of micromolpsugh.

I'm ketched up, and I think these two OtherComic links are missing:

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Sustainabilizer » Sat Aug 04, 2018 10:56 am UTC

BSTA wrote:Not to do what?

...

I see you're not interested in the game.
I thought you would like it.

Anyway, here's the solution.

Solution to what? BSTA?
That sounds somewhat **dish.
Please don't **d BSTA like this! :shock:

Or does this refer to the solution of ROBOTIC MADNESS?
Again: Solution to what problem?
[confused]

In any case I hope that we'll get back to those who disappeared in the hole in the ground.

balthasar_s wrote:We have seen this already.

We have seen a floppy disk in frame 203.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby balthasar_s » Sun Aug 05, 2018 9:26 am UTC

Sustainabilizer wrote:Please don't **d BSTA like this! :shock:


It woulld bekind of evil for me to make an end just after writing
balthasar_s wrote:Looks like the story can continue now.

also the next frame is here now.

Sustainabilizer wrote:We have seen a floppy disk in frame 203.
We have (there are 2 visible on the desk in 203) but it wouldn't makemuch sense to disappear forsome frames only to return with adisk which was already on the desk.
I meant something else.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby svenman » Sun Aug 05, 2018 9:19 pm UTC

balthasar_s wrote:also the next frame is here now.

...
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One of the "additionalities" here will help us locate them.


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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby SBN » Sun Aug 05, 2018 11:22 pm UTC

Dan Rather wrote:For some unknown reason, my mind has wandered today to time. The concept of “time” - what is time, anyway? Perhaps the notion of time is on my mind because I am well aware of how it passes before me. Perhaps it all this talk of time, as in “troubled time,” “tumultuous time,” and the “sands of time.”

The question persists and haunts; what are we talking and writing about when we pull out the word “time?”


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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ucim » Mon Aug 06, 2018 2:21 am UTC

SBN wrote:Should we send him a link?
Link should send him a link.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby lmjb1964 » Mon Aug 06, 2018 7:39 am UTC

Hello to my dear OTTers. I've missed you all terribly. I was going to write a RAZOR debrief about raptors and zombies, but I'm not feeling up to it right now. My sweet meowlpy is really slowing down, and I don't know how much longer I'll have her with me. And sometime this week, I have to travel a couple of hours to say goodbye to the man who is responsible for my music career, and who we almost lost this wipend.

Sorry, I didn't mean for my first post back to be such a downer. I'll try to be more cheerful tomorrow. I will also begin my ketchup tomorrow. Right now I need to coma, but it had been far too long since I said hello.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby balthasar_s » Mon Aug 06, 2018 11:47 am UTC

lmjb1964 wrote:I was going to write a RAZOR debrief about raptors and zombies
You can always say that the debrief has been relocated and that's why we can't observe it.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby lmjb1964 » Mon Aug 06, 2018 2:59 pm UTC

:D Exactly! And of course, since it's a top-secret report, I could just put [REDACTED].

My meowlpy seems a little perkier today. The heating pads seems to have helped her back legs. Lot of ups and downs with her lately. She is 18 yips old.

Meanwhile, it looks like things are happening here in the OTT. Can't wait (well, I can wait, of course, but you know what I mean) to find out what's happening with bsta, and I see there's a new story-shaped thing about physics! I also saw that lmjbot had been put to use briefly, but now it looks like she's been re-retired. Looking forward to ketchup!
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ucim » Tue Aug 07, 2018 1:29 am UTC

lmjb1964 wrote:My meowlpy seems a little perkier today.
I'm glad to hear it. Meowlpys are people too. 18 yips is a lot for a meowlpy - I'm sure they were awesomeful years that you gave her. Oh, and [REDACTED]. Welcome back from the (dark and dangerous) basement! I'm sure [REDACTED].

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ZoomanSP » Tue Aug 07, 2018 2:44 am UTC

Wait on.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Opiboble » Tue Aug 07, 2018 4:08 am UTC

*Opi peeks in to the OTT, as a reminder that just over 5 years ago the OTC came to an end. What a wonderful ride it was, he still thinks of his friends from the OTT... He wonders how they are doing now days... do they miss the OTC as much as he?*
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ucim » Tue Aug 07, 2018 4:38 am UTC

Opiboble wrote:Opi peeks in to the OTT [...] do they miss the OTC as much as he?*
Oh my Randall! It's Opiboble!

Well, we miss it so much that we created sequels, prequels, imaginary extensions, and all sorts of other story-shaped things - there's more Time after Time than there was Time! Come join us!

But mostly, we miss you and all the other OTTers who have fallen into the basement. Some of us are wondering what's so attractive about the basement, but we realize how dangerous it is down there. Rumors abound that it leads to ... dare I say it? The "Outside".

Dun dun dun!

How have you been doing? How have you survived? What kind of Time have you been having? Enquiring minds need to know!

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Opiboble » Tue Aug 07, 2018 7:53 pm UTC

The basement does indeed lead to the Outside. I met someone, had a couple offspring. Other then that not much. I have been eating well in the Outside, the food has a funny after taste though...
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby lmjb1964 » Tue Aug 07, 2018 8:07 pm UTC

OMR, It's Opiboble! It's so good to see you. I just returned from a fair stretch of Outside. Congratulations on your happy Outside occurrences! Someday, you should tell your offspring about Time, and the OTT. They'll probably just think it sounds boring, but whatever. :)

Oh, and Jose, [re-redacted].
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ZoomanSP » Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:26 am UTC

Wait on.

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Re: 1.1.9.0: "Time"

Postby Gingercat » Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:19 pm UTC

balthasar_s wrote:You might have noticed that the latest phys frame was onged one hour late.
That's because at ong time there was no electricity here, so nothing could be done.

But because of the power fail I finally managed to discover why sometimes the server becomes inaccessible even though it still works.

The server must have a fixed IP address in the internal network, so that the router knows where to redirect incoming connections.
So I configured in /etc/network/interfaces that the address should be 192.168.1.3.
And indeed, when I start the server then it connects to the network using this IP address.


You can sidestep this race condition by configuring your router's DHCP settings.

Grab your server's MAC, and assign it a static entry in your router settings to always hand that specific MAC the IP address of 192.168.1.3 (a "reserved address" / "reserved entry" or similar), and to act as normal for everything else.
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