1190: "Time"

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Gingercat » Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:39 pm UTC

Aha! Someone found the Book of Catrocious Puns and has summoned me forth!

Wait... This isn't my DnD campaign...

Ah yes, the OTT! Did I have three kidlets yet when I last posted here? I'd look up my last post date but that's a bit difficult at the moment, I've spent most of my spare Time consuming mountains of ketchup. But now that the last drop is gone and I have once more returned to the Present...

Hi!! It's so nice to be back! Whoever tripped over me in the Basement, thank you. It was a good wake-up call.

Also, by pure chance I appear to be Popecat once more. Err, hm... Okay, I decree: Redundakitties must possess top hats! The more elegant and (haber)dashing, the better! :mrgreen:
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby addams » Tue Aug 06, 2019 1:21 pm UTC

Gingercat!
Three!

I remember you bringing word of One little Pupa.
I reflected on a baby as an anchor for your life.

Three!
Gingercat?; May I ask how old they are?

Maybe, I remember you Wrong.
Were you a Wild and Adventurous Sailor?

Now; You are a responsible, grown up Daddy?

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Gingercat » Tue Aug 06, 2019 1:27 pm UTC

These three are, in order:

5, 3, and 5 months. Girl, girl, boy.

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Re: 1190: "Has anyone noticed the GodotScript?"

Postby taixzo » Tue Aug 06, 2019 5:31 pm UTC

So a new Othercomic went up on Sunday: a temporary thing that got removed when the Monday othercomic went up. GLR claims "I think it will [work]. I've never tried this before so I'm honestly not sure what the server will do." Seems to be forgetting that he's tested it 3094 times already.

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I've been looking for a new hotdog motor now that the Blender Game Engine is gone, I should check that out as a potential replacement.

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5, 3, and 5 months. Girl, girl, boy.


How do you end up with kids two months apart?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby svenman » Tue Aug 06, 2019 8:32 pm UTC

balthasar_s wrote:"Just a hobby physicist playing around"
i a hobby physicist is "just" playing around you could expect anything.

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And then I also feel reminded of someone else. Though it may be debatable to what extent a clerk in a patent office lives on physics.

balthasar_s wrote:Actually, it's a well known pattern, called 3L3T, i didn't make it up:
https://web.archive.org/web/20130404094307fw_/http://www.terminalvelocity.demon.co.uk/WheelBuild/3leading.htm

Oh, I suspected as much. The intended implication was: "He's a pretty big Balthasar. He probably knows what he's doing." :wink:

balthasar_s wrote:You could look at this post from np2662, where I made a simplified summary: http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=101043&p=4411254#p4411254.

Thanks, I actually had already saved a link to that post when it was new so that I could use it for the wiki at some time. But I need to sit down and re-blitz BSTA and then re-read that post so that it will then hopefully become clearer to me, and I still haven't been able to get the required round tuit for that purpose.

balthasar_s wrote:I have seen
you also added other stuff to the wiki too.
This is good news.
Good to have someone like you who will put things to the wiki so they can later be found when needed.
I have also seen,
that other than you
there is not much other wiki editing done,
this is less good news,

(maybe it's time for me (or anyone who would like) to become friends with the wiki again?)

That would be treeish! I'd been in the basement wiki-wise for about a yip until I started working on the wiki again, and very few things related to the OTT had been entered into the wiki in the meantime.

balthasar_s wrote:I have seen
you added my post
where I wrote about my hour-long return home because a fallen tree
as Time Literature.

Things like this actually qualify as Time Literature?
I just told what happened to me that day.

That particular section of the page is captioned "Original Stories". And your account certainly qualifies:
  • It is a story,
  • it is original in the sense that you wrote it yourself and did not base it on something someone else wrote,
  • and in that section there is no requirement for the story to be fictional.
Of course, not just any mention in this thread by someone of what happened to them that dip or at some other Tim should go in that list because it would become too cluttered. But some of the real-life accounts in the OTT are sufficiently worth reading (or re-reading) that they deserve to be pointed out in this way along with the actually fictional stories posted in this thread. Whether they do so is ultimately up to the judgement of anyone editing that wiki page, and of course there is a significant grey zone. I was surprised myself when someone else once added a post of mine to that list about a cap I'd lost and then found again.

Also, what ucim said.

In other news, this issue on the wiki:
Links from the One True Wiki to the One True Thread and elsewhere on the xkcd Forums are currently broken because Wikia rewrites all http links to https.

...has been fixed by Wikia.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby balthasar_s » Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:42 pm UTC

svenman wrote:And then I also feel reminded of someone else. Though it may be debatable to what extent a clerk in a patent office lives on physics.
At first I read this as "a cleric in a patent office".
It made me imagine First Cleric working in a patent office...

But I need to sit down and re-blitz BSTA and then re-read that post so that it will then hopefully become clearer to me, and I still haven't been able to get the required round tuit for that purpose.
You have to insrert a coin to read BSTA?
Hmmm..... nice idea.....
Wait a minute I have to change something on the server
I'm going to be rich!
(not really)

That particular section of the page is captioned "Original Stories". And your account certainly qualifies:
  • It is a story,
  • it is original

That's...
100% true.
I don't have any argument for that.

I was surprised myself when someone else once added a post of mine to that list about a cap I'd lost and then found again.
When I saw the recent wiki activity:
Time Literature
edited by Svenman
Edited the section: Original Stories
Summary: Story by balthasar_s on NP2676 added
I was surprised:
What, I wrote a Time Literature, a story? I don't remember something like this.
After clicking the link
What, this can bew called Time Literature? ok
also
Why this one?

because
that was not the only time I wrote a post about some things that happened to me.
There were posts like about repeatedly getting lost in Bochum or a more adventurous than expected bike trip or others. (I also wrote down some dreams)
And I was wondering why of them all the story about the unexpectedly long return home on a bikeless day was chosen as Time Literature.

Also
some time ago
I was surprised when I saw this post (about the first Advent frame which I saw in the morning and later it was gone) listed as a "free form poem".
When I wrote it
I didn't intend a poem.

I sometimes write posts like this:
each piece of thought
is written in a new line.
It can look kind of poem like.

But then once again
Like with the story

Even if something wasn't written as a poem,
it doen't mean you can't call it a poem,
if you see a poem in it.

Also, what ucim said.
yes.

In other news, this issue on the wiki: [...] has been fixed by Wikia.
good news.
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Re: 1190: "Has anyone noticed the GodotScript?"

Postby Gingercat » Wed Aug 07, 2019 12:53 am UTC

taixzo wrote:
Gingercat wrote:These three are, in order:

5, 3, and 5 months. Girl, girl, boy.


How do you end up with kids two months apart?


:lol:

That would involve some Time travel shenanigans wouldn't it?

5 yips old, then 3 yips old, then 5 months old. There is a roughly 2.5yip gap between one kidlet and the next.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Pfhorrest » Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:47 am UTC

balthasar_s wrote:
svenman wrote:And then I also feel reminded of someone else. Though it may be debatable to what extent a clerk in a patent office lives on physics.
At first I read this as "a cleric in a patent office".

"Clerk" derives from "cleric" so you're not far off.
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Re: 1190: "Has anyone noticed the GodotScript?"

Postby SBN » Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:16 am UTC

Gingercat wrote:5 yips old, then 3 yips old, then 5 months old. There is a roughly 2.5yip gap between one kidlet and the next.


I once read that that is the perfect size of gap between kidlets. (It also happens to be the gap between my kidlets.)
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby BlitzGirl » Wed Aug 07, 2019 6:22 am UTC

Interesting, that's the gap between my birthdip and my BlitzBrother's birthdip, too.

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svenman wrote:In other news, this issue on the wiki: <snip> ...has been fixed by Wikia.

Yay! And thank you again for being a Wiki-Warrior of Time. The wiki is such an awesomeful resource to have.

taixzo wrote:GLR claims "I think it will [work]. I've never tried this before so I'm honestly not sure what the server will do." Seems to be forgetting that he's tested it 3094 times already.

Ha! I was going to make a joke about how GLR has probably blocked the traumatic experience of creating 3,094 images to be released every newpix on the newpix from his memory just to remain sane, but then I felt a bit endish about it, because naturally he's moved on to hundreds more Othercomics and seaish projects over the last six yips, to the point where #1190 does feel a riverish bit forgotten. That's what Timewaiters and OTTers are for, I suppose.
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Yikes, looking at the Othercomic count, we're just five away from #2190. How epsilon is that?

Speaking of #1190, https://xkcd.com/1190/ has stopped jittering with constant reloads in my browser ... but I think that might just be because it's broken in a different way. When I checked, the endpix did not auto-refresh on the ONG as it should have. (Heresy?) When I reloaded the page myself, then the next endpix appeared. I don't understand what the epilogue is doing.

balthasar_s wrote:Even if something wasn't written as a poem,
it doen't mean you can't call it a poem,
if you see a poem in it.

This is a poem. ↑
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ZoomanSP » Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:27 pm UTC

New OtherComic.

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balthasar_s wrote:Even if something wasn't written as a poem,
it doen't mean you can't call it a poem,
if you see a poem in it.

This is a poem. ↑

Ceci n'est pas un poème. ↑
Wait on.

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Postby BlitzGirl » Thu Aug 08, 2019 6:13 am UTC

Haha, thank you! I actually considered making that reference when posting, but then thought it would be odd to counter my own assertion.

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Re: 1190: "Eclipsing Time"

Postby Eternal Density » Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:27 am UTC

Some dip, after many yips, there will be a more seaish amount of othercomics than OTC pix!
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby balthasar_s » Thu Aug 08, 2019 6:41 pm UTC

But here we all know that most of the world is made of dark matter (black pixels).

BlitzGirl wrote:Interesting, that's the gap between my birthdip and my BlitzBrother's birthdip, too.
The difference between me and my sisters is bigger: 5, 6.5, and 7.5 years, which means the youngest is 19 years younger than me.

taixzo wrote:GLR claims "I think it will [work]. I've never tried this before so I'm honestly not sure what the server will do." Seems to be forgetting that he's tested it 3094 times already.

Ha! I was going to make a joke about how GLR has probably blocked the traumatic experience of creating 3,094 images to be released every newpix on the newpix from his memory just to remain sane, but then I felt a bit endish about it, because naturally he's moved on to hundreds more Othercomics and seaish projects over the last six yips, to the point where #1190 does feel a riverish bit forgotten.
But it's not the same.
Now we had one xkcdcomic autoreplaced by another xkcdcomic after some time.
In Time we had a picture (aka Timeframe, newpix, ong, etc.) autoreplaced after some time by another one multiple times inside the same xkcdcomic.
To us it might look very similar but from the server's point of view it's a completely different situation.

Imagine this analogy:

There is a slide-show projector displaying a picture on a wall.
Every some time the projector changes to the next slide.
The picture projected on the wall changes then.
(That's 1190)

Now imagine a different situation:
The projector displays only one slide all the time.
But one day someone comes,
puts the projector into his bag,
and puts another one on the table.
The picture projected on the wall changes then.
(That's 2185)

When you look on the wall,
In both cases you will see the same thing:
The picture changed.
But what actually happens
is very different in both cases.

Speaking of #1190, https://xkcd.com/1190/ has stopped jittering with constant reloads in my browser ... but I think that might just be because it's broken in a different way. When I checked, the endpix did not auto-refresh on the ONG as it should have. (Heresy?) When I reloaded the page myself, then the next endpix appeared. I don't understand what the epilogue is doing.

Oh no.

Look here: http://mrob.com/time/epilogue-sequence.txt
The epilogue sequence of the last few months,
it doesn't look very healthy.

The question now is,
all the "x" we see,
is that a problem of Time itself,
or of the mrobots which record the sequence?

I'm afraid we could have a problem with the mrobots.
Maybe they are confused by the new behavior of the Javascript?
Or by something else?

Because,
when I look at imgs.xkcd.com/comics/time.png,
it seems to still do a good redirect.
At least after a first look.

But maybe it changes the target frame multiple frames in the same hour?
then it would break.
mrob27 wrote:The frame changes every hour on the hour. The servers don't always
show the new frame instantly, and are sometimes completely
nonresponsive. To deal with this, I check 5 times per hour, at :05,
:15, :30, :45, and :55 past the hour. A "best three out of five" vote
can be used to determine the proper answer for that hour, though I
have found in practice that there is never a conflicting vote: I never
never seen two different frames within the same hour. I have multiple
computers running the program to provide some redundancy, but only one
is "awake" all the time.
If it doesn't get the same frame at least 3 times each hour,
it won't be able to record the frame.

We don't know if Time or the mrobsystem is broken,
because we don't have anything to compare it to.

The otherthing,
the mschaviewer unfortunately cannot be used as a reference:
  • it checks the frame once per hour if I remember correctly,
  • it is very misaligned now. Corrently 1 month in the future.

So we don't know if we have:
  • Broken Time and broken mschaviewer,
  • Broken mrobviewer and broken mschaviewer.

Both systems are made by OTTers not active in the OTT in the recent times.
My PM to mscha is still in the outbox since november.

Maybe we have to create another redundamnt epilogue system and see what's going on with it?

It is important to us to have a correctly running epilogue in 2020.
As I wrote already some times ago
(see here http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?p=4441874#p4441874) (I think this could belong to the wiki too)
by some analysis and mattern patching
I found the formula to generate the epilogue sequences (http://forums.xkcd.com/download/file.php?id=57451)
In 2020 we will know if my prediction is complete and predicts everything already (until 2099 at least),
or if we need to adjust for the digit of tens of yeears.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby svenman » Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:32 pm UTC

balthasar_s wrote:When I saw the recent wiki activity:
Time Literature
edited by Svenman
Edited the section: Original Stories
Summary: Story by balthasar_s on NP2676 added
I was surprised:
What, I wrote a Time Literature, a story? I don't remember something like this.
After clicking the link
What, this can bew called Time Literature? ok
also
Why this one?

because
that was not the only time I wrote a post about some things that happened to me.
There were posts like about repeatedly getting lost in Bochum or a more adventurous than expected bike trip or others. (I also wrote down some dreams)
And I was wondering why of them all the story about the unexpectedly long return home on a bikeless day was chosen as Time Literature.

It is probably best not to expect too much consistency from a wiki, and maybe not even from one particular wiki contributor over extended periods of Tim.

I only gradually came to realize myself that even real-life stories are perfectly fine to be listed under "Original Stories". I seem to recall that was once motivated by a story in this thread which I liked and where I found it hard to determine whether it was fiction or fact, until I realized that I actually didn't have to make that distinction at all.

Now I've had a second look at the two older stories of yours that you linked to. I do remember having read, yips ago, about your difficult bike trip over rough frozen ground and I've now added this story to the wiki as well. As for your account of getting lost repeatedly in Bochum, I decided not to put that one in the wiki because I feel that one relies too much on prior context from the thread and therefore doesn't work so well as a standalone story.

balthasar_s wrote:As I wrote already some times ago
(see here http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?p=4441874#p4441874) (I think this could belong to the wiki too)
by some analysis and mattern patching
I found the formula to generate the epilogue sequences (http://forums.xkcd.com/download/file.php?id=57451)

Link saved. May add to wiki later. Just
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby BlitzGirl » Fri Aug 09, 2019 5:25 am UTC

svenman wrote:I only gradually came to realize myself that even real-life stories are perfectly fine to be listed under "Original Stories". I seem to recall that was once motivated by a story in this thread which I liked and where I found it hard to determine whether it was fiction or fact, until I realized that I actually didn't have to make that distinction at all.

What a wingish way of writing that. Image

Eternal Density wrote:Some dip, after many yips, there will be a more seaish amount of othercomics than OTC pix!

It would be interesting to see a "surface area" comparison of the OTC to Othercomics. (Thinking "Click and Drag" here.)

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Thank you for the slide projector analogy; that's very helpful.

balthasar_s wrote:
Speaking of #1190, https://xkcd.com/1190/ has stopped jittering with constant reloads in my browser ... but I think that might just be because it's broken in a different way. When I checked, the endpix did not auto-refresh on the ONG as it should have. (Heresy?) When I reloaded the page myself, then the next endpix appeared. I don't understand what the epilogue is doing.

Oh no.

Look here: http://mrob.com/time/epilogue-sequence.txt
The epilogue sequence of the last few months,
it doesn't look very healthy.

The question now is,
all the "x" we see,
is that a problem of Time itself,
or of the mrobots which record the sequence?

It's an important question if we want to get the epilogue record straight. I'm inclined to think Time is broken instead of the mrobots, because the jittery reloading behavior that used to happen on the 1190 page has stopped. If the behavior of Time changed unexpectedly, the mrobots probably don't know how to interpret that. We need to retrieve mrob.

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If that doesn't work, maybe a new epilogue tracker (as you say, a redundamnt tracker Image) is in order. Or I need to make a proper mrobus summonus instead of reusing the image for lurkers-at-large.

Do we know what happened last yip? Looking at mrob's epilogue-sequence.txt, I see the same sort of descent into xxxxxness from 2018-01-06 to 2018-09-12, and then no data for 9 dips. The sequence reappeared in the log on 2018-09-22.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Rule110 » Fri Aug 09, 2019 9:29 pm UTC

The new othercomic "Geologic Time" should have been a sequel to "Time," but with a newpix every 1,000 yips.

I'm imagining the same setup, an initial frame, alt-text of "Wait for it...", the same Javascript code... but we just never see it change in our lifetimes. GLR could hardly complain about the workload. Think of it as the Comic of the Even Longer Now.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby lmjb1964 » Fri Aug 09, 2019 11:49 pm UTC

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Aw, so Gingercat was that soft, fuzzy thing I tripped over! Sorry about that, but I'm glad it somehow catapulted (ha!) you out of the Basement.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby moody7277 » Sat Aug 10, 2019 1:04 am UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ZoomanSP » Sat Aug 10, 2019 3:11 am UTC

Rule110 wrote:The new othercomic "Geologic Time" should have been a sequel to "Time," but with a newpix every 1,000 yips.

I'm imagining the same setup, an initial frame, alt-text of "Wait for it...", the same Javascript code... but we just never see it change in our lifetimes. GLR could hardly complain about the workload. Think of it as the Comic of the Even Longer Now.

For blitzers (do we still have any on their way?), here's the link.

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1190: Time: VITSSÅGAR DON'T KNOW ABOUT MY STARCAT

Postby mrob27 » Sun Aug 11, 2019 2:50 am UTC

Chronogram from the Future
by mrob27

origin: approx. NP 82269
destination: NP 56040


Do not open until Newpage 2686


As you may have heard I got involved in some sort of academic thing, which inevitably led to another, and as I write this I'm nearing the end of an internship at a company whose main purpose is the organisation of sand, and in fact for most of their existence they've been able to organise their sand about twice as much every two yips or so.ß It's baobabish but it keeps me busy.

I'm mainly writing right now to try to address the Image Image mustardishness Image Image Image Image of my Epilogue Sequence page. I see the xxxxx's that Image balthasar_s mentioned (for example, the following) :

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  20190808 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
  20190809 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
  20190810 xxxxxxxxxxxDxxxxxxxxxxx
 


and at the moment I don't know how that's happening. My botcastles are definitely getting valid Epilogie frame recognitions, for example:

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  log_curl: 20190810.22:24:42 gsd  0.9997, gsl 1
  --------------------- tenmin 3, 'http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/time/089fd846275adabe756cf0467347baf5a69b2f55e0426f4791098395efc5aa65.png' == A
  load_dir: found 9028 files in fora-images; highest ID is 58276.
  idletask: attempting reload of ID 43059 (size 16126)
    curl -s --connect-timeout 240 --max-time 300 'http://fora.xkcd.com/download/file.php?id=43059' -o fora-images/imagebot-tmp.txt -D fora-images/imagebot-hdr.txt
    got (1, gif) from good.orbad on ID 43059
     >>SUCCESS<<  Got extension 'gif' for ID 43059
 


and the three-out-of-five vote data is intact, for example:

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  20190810.19 ABBBB
  20190810.20 BDDDD
  20190810.21 DCCCC
  20190810.22 CDDDD
  20190810.23 DEEEE
  20190811.00 EDDDD
  20190811.01 DEEEE
 


As you can see there's a bit of a misalignment in the time dimension and I'm getting the wrong frame at the first sample (which is taken at for example 20:05) but in most nopix there are enough valid data to get a best-three-out-of-five vote and a correct Epilogue frame answer.

There is a file like this for each botcastle and they all automatically copy and merge their respective logfiles together. Seven botcastles total, though most of them aren't connected to the interwebs most of the time. Here's the latest data from a botcastle that doesn't see the outwide world very often:

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  20190630.20 DCCC-
  20190702.00 ----E
  20190702.01 EDDDD
  20190702.02 DBB--
  20190705.18 ----B
  20190719.23 -EE--
  20190727.00 ---DD
 


That data is quite sparse but at any given Time there is at least one botcastle checking, so the gaps should all be filled in.

I'll try to work out what's happening in the data-aggregation stage between the raw vote logs and the diply summary lines (i.e. the xxxxx's).

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ß Unfortunately our sand-organisation skills have been questioned of late, because for the last five yips we've been promising we'd soon be organising sand in increments of 10 µSGü, but please be patient and wouldn't you like some more 14 µSG sand? Meanwhile the competition says they've been organising sand into 10 µSG units for two or three yips, and now they've moved on to 7 µSG, although really their 7 µSG isn't even as well-organised as our 10 — which is really going to be good, you'll see…. just Wait for it.TM

ü Organised sand is most conveniently measured in the basic unit of sand, which of cource is the Sand Grain (SG). The world's largest organised sand is over 17 kSG in size, but this company I'm working for specialises in the very small - so small that things need to be measured in units of micro SG (µSG), though when the organised-sand industry was young and sand wasn't organised nearly so precisely, everything could be measured in milli SG (mSG).

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby moody7277 » Sun Aug 11, 2019 4:03 am UTC

:shock: Powerful stuff those summoning circles.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby svenman » Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:25 am UTC

Welcome forward, mrob27!

Something seems wrONG:
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If you need help understanding what's going on there, the xkcd Time Wiki may be useful.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby balthasar_s » Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:31 pm UTC

I didn't know that so many computers are involved in tracking the epilogue
(but I should have expected that)

could it be,
that each of them is seeing a different frame?

ETA:
I looked again, now.
And the X are gone.

I wonder,
Will there be an interesting story about it soon?

Also, I see things like this:

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20190506         cBDCAECDBABACBED

The C at the beginning is smaller.
as if it wasn't sure if it should be there or not.

Also,
welcome, mrob, to the future.
How do you like it here?

moody7277 wrote::shock: Powerful stuff those summoning circles.
And that was a generic circle.
I wonder what a mrob-specific circle would look like.
I wonder also what a balt-specific circle would look like.
Actually I have have a hypothesis but I can't check it without going to the basement.
(Does the moonbase have a basemoont?)

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That was a typo. But I thought it was fuunny enough to not correct it.

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1190: "Time": PAGEPOPE CONTAINED SHENANOBOT. WOULD BUY AGAIN.

Postby mrob27 » Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:49 pm UTC

Okay, now you have to make an mrob27-specific summoning circle. I really want to see what that looks like . . . something with 27 lines in the pentacle-thingy?

That was a horrid mrobot-aggregation algorithm. I don't know what I was thinking. Basically, it only worked if the number of botcastles with internet access was more than half the total number of botcastles, except for an occasional nopix when it magically worked regardless (those few non-x letters you were seeing).
  Anyway, I think I've fixed the mustard. Check it now.

Instead of "best three out of five", a method that was designed for single-bot use, it now simply looks for a majority agreement among all bot-frameload-attempts in each hour. Each bot gets to vote up to five times per frame.
  For example, if the total number of successful frame-load attempts of a given frame (by all bots) is 27, then 14 of those have to give the same answer, in order to see a letter.
  In addition, if the total number of successful frame-load attempts was four or fewer, the letter shown is lowercase. Here are the most recent seven times that has happened:

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  20170614     dEABABDCDECDEAEAEABC
  20170711 DDEAD            aEAEABC
  20180430 eACDABDECDABDEBCEADECDAB
  20181005 DCAECDBABa             
  20190227 DAEDCBAECDAEDCBAe  CEDCB
  20190506         cBDCAECDBABACBED
  20190517 DEABEABCBCDDEADEa      E
 

If the total number of successful frame-load attempts was two or fewer, there is no letter at all. As you can see there are a lot of these gaps. This is due to a combination of factors, including no Internet in the TARDIS and a lot of migration from fixed to portable organised sand.
  At some point I'll provide the logs of all botcastles (there are seven) which will help all y'all diagnose these sort of things in the future. That will require more work on the botcastlenet. Wait for it.TM For now my suspicion is that the xkcd server is delivering each new Epilogue frame a little bit late.
  As for whether the Epilogue sequence is in agreement with the spreadsheet, I'd say, maybe probably mostly yes? I don't remember all the arcane rules for when things slish and when they slosh, but I imagine balthasar_s or someone else will have an easier time at it than I.

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Re: 1190: "Time": PAGEPOPE CONTAINED SHENANOBOT. WOULD BUY AGAIN.

Postby balthasar_s » Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:58 pm UTC

mrob27 wrote: Anyway, I think I've fixed the mustard. Check it now.

You were able to do it which means that you had all the original data from all the bots and not just the result of their voting. Which is great.

Now the remaining mystery is: What's going on with the epilogue on the mschaviewer?
Will we ever know?

mrob27 wrote:Okay, now you have to make an mrob27-specific summoning circle.
Yeah, who said you have to make the summoning circle before a mrob is summoned?
He has all this cool time-travel stuff like the Tardis, the Mustardis, or whatever.

Actually,
I thought, "wow, cool, he reorganized the bots to remove all the X from the past!"
but maybe,
he just went back in time and checked all these frames again.
That would be a much easier solution after all.
Just stop for a few seconds at each hour to download the frame and move to the next hour.

mrob27 wrote:I don't remember all the arcane rules for when things slish and when they slosh, but I imagine balthasar_s or someone else will have an easier time at it than I.
"All the rules", actually there is not many rules.
It looks kind of like this, I think:
  1. Generate the current and previous frame using this formula: ( (Y AND 0x8) + (Y AND 0x4) - ((Y XOR T) AND 0x2) + ((Y XOR T) AND 0x1) + (H AND 0x8) - (H AND 0x4) + ((D XOR H) AND 0x2) - ((D XOR H) AND 0x1) ) mod 5
    where
    • Y - single digit of year,
    • D - digit of tens of day,
    • T - digit of dens of hour,
    • H - single digit of hour,
    • frames: A=0, B=1, C=2, D=3, E=4.
  2. If current and previous (calculated in step 1, not actual current and previous) frame are the same and are A, B, or C, replace current frame with D,
  3. If current and previous (calculated in step 1, not actual current and previous) frame are the same and are D or E, replace current frame with C,
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Re: 1190: "Ginger Time"

Postby Eternal Density » Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:47 am UTC

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Aw, so Gingercat was that soft, fuzzy thing I tripped over!

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ZoomanSP » Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:42 pm UTC

Wait on.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby taixzo » Mon Aug 12, 2019 5:06 pm UTC

ZoomanSP wrote:New OtherComic.


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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Sciscitor » Mon Aug 12, 2019 6:48 pm UTC

taixzo wrote:
ZoomanSP wrote:New OtherComic.

So, transportation methods endorsed by GLR:
...

Do not forget1:

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import antigravity


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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby BlitzGirl » Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:22 am UTC

moody7277 wrote: :shock: Powerful stuff those summoning circles.

Indeed! I think June Bug's offering of the nongoat's blood tub helped immensely. And of course this particular summonus subject is much easier to summon than most because he has proven sensitive to incantations that include his name.

Thank you for the chronogram and explanation, mrob! And for taking Time out of your regularly scheduled sandorganizing to reorganize the botcastle summary and fix the mustard! All of the xxxxxness has transformed back into a proper epilogue catalogue!

ImageImage ImageImageImage ImageImage


balthasar_s wrote:
mrob27 wrote:Okay, now you have to make an mrob27-specific summoning circle.
Yeah, who said you have to make the summoning circle before a mrob is summoned?
He has all this cool time-travel stuff like the Tardis, the Mustardis, or whatever.

That is a good point, baltemporalthinker_s. Maybe this summoning circle worked because I or some otherOTTer has already created an mrob-specific summonus in the Future and connected it to past instances of summoni involving our Tardis traveler. How thoughtful.

mrob27 wrote:For now my suspicion is that the xkcd server is delivering each new Epilogue frame a little bit late.

That would match the behavior I saw on casual observation, when I waited for the epilogue to UNG and the UNG didn't come at the traditional top-of-the-nopix. Perhaps I didn't wait for it long enough.

Rule110 wrote:I'm imagining the same setup, an initial frame, alt-text of "Wait for it...", the same Javascript code... but we just never see it change in our lifetimes. GLR could hardly complain about the workload. Think of it as the Comic of the Even Longer Now.

You would need an organized religion with a seaish amount of momentum to Wait for a thousand-yip longnow...
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Vytron » Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:01 am UTC

Oh, hello Time thread. I'm some guy that used to be here, though, if I remember correctly, mostly in "the past". So I finally decided to jump to the present, except, it's the present of when I left the xkcd forums.

Page 2430, Jan 15, 2016, and it seems clearly, that people have slowed down. Only 256 pages in over three years. But it's cool it's a power of two!

You might notice that I talk oddly, this is because I have forgotten how to speak :( . So I can barely understand half of what people say in the present (Jan 15, 2016), I don't even remember if "molpish" was something good or bad :shock:

I also seem to have skipped some huge stuff, because people are posting comics and whatnot, so I think I'll jump back to the past, to try to find my past self, to seek for directions of what I should be reading.

For people in the future (August 13 2019) that want to interact with me, just quote this post to leave me a buried time capsule, I'll get a Notification about it, and those will be the only posts from the future that I'll read, just people don't spoil me events what will have been happening in the 3 years of my absence (between Jan 2016 and Aug 2019.)

I'll be doing jumps to the past, so see you in page 1930 of the thread! (you won't actually see me, but if I see posts from me back then, I'll be sure to edit them to mark them as read, like the snake that eats her own tail.)

PS - I won't be wearing funny hats anymore, I look funny already...
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1190: "Time" - Time Randomly Revisited - np981

Postby mscha » Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:00 am UTC

AURONGZEB...
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OTT Time Travel

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ZoomanSP » Tue Aug 13, 2019 12:26 pm UTC

Vytron wrote:Oh, hello Time thread.

Hi Vytron! Welcome back/forward! MolpishIV to see you! Randallspeed on your blitz! Leave some blindposts from the past, if you like!

BlitzGirl wrote:Perhaps I didn't wait for it long enough.

Heresy!
*looks for the bag with the stale M&M's reserved for pelting*

BlitzGirl wrote:You would need an organized religion with a seaish amount of momentum to Wait for a thousand-yip longnow...

We might have a spare one of those somewhere or other...

IV: good/nice/great/neat
Wait on.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby BlitzGirl » Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:51 pm UTC

Image Hello, Vytron! Welcome almost-forward! Hope you have fun reading the recent pastpages!

Vytron wrote:PS - I won't be wearing funny hats anymore, I look funny already...

That's okay, hats are purely optional, because around here1190 we still don't stick to standards ni ni ni ni ni chupacabra beanieball.
And of course, you could always choose to wear a type of hat other than funny if you wanted.


Time Beanish culture, on the other hand, probably has some kind of regulationRosetta on when to wear hats. Image


Hairball Though even they have an obvious exception!
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1190: "Time": EXCUSE ME MA'AM, DO YOU HAVE A MINIP TO TALK ABOUT NEWPIXBOTTIFICATIONS?

Postby mrob27 » Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:35 am UTC

balthasar_s wrote:could it be,
that each of them is seeing a different frame?

The botcastles don't all have their time synchronised with the Internet as a whole, but most of them do, and none is that far out of alignment. I cross-checked and they're pretty much all getting the "wrong answer" during the first attempt of each hour.

Thanks balthasar_s for the remedial epilogue formula lesson!

BlitzGirl wrote: Indeed! I think June Bug's offering of the nongoat's blood tub helped immensely. And of course this particular summonus subject is much easier to summon than most because he has proven sensitive to incantations that include his name.

Sadly the bots were all busy hastening the advent of the singularity, except the ones that are hiding in the botbasement for fear of being obsoleted by all the highly-organised sand we have here in the futureƒ. No, I responded to a direct Chronotransponder message§ from balthasar_s.
That would match the behavior I saw on casual observation, when I waited for the epilogue to UNG and the UNG didn't come at the traditional top-of-the-nopix.

Good point, I could check that myself.



I just tried automating it in a different way from what imagebot is doing, but there's Javascript :D I think some half-frenzied F5-ing and plain old visual inspection is in order.



Wow, that's scandalous! Time is behind schedule! (It was on Epilogue frame D, and the prescribed moment of UNGliness came and went, but the image didn't switch to frame C until about 120 millinewpix later!) Perhaps one or two others could try this to confirm.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Vytron » Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:16 am UTC

Opening time capsules...

From the past! (Page 1930 May 04, 2014 7:46 pm Etc/GMT+6)

(I'm putting long messages in a box, so they appear shorter with option to scroll them to read them)

Gingercat wrote:
Vytron wrote:

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As I was reading that before even finding out about the comic itself. So it was awesome finding the source of the quote, and its context, in real time  :)

That's something only someone that reads everything can appreciate. So, to all the people that skipped pages in order to catch up: Shame, shame on you! A wiki page has been advertized that gives a "summary" of all the pages in the thread, I'll really doubt it's the same experience, though I'll probably never know, since I'll read the wiki after catching up with the thread, and it's still outpacing me by a significant factor.

Feel free to leave me a time capsule by replying to this message, I'll read it once I catch up with page 274 ("current page") which should be about 2 weeks from now (which would make the "current page"... I don't know which one, let me check...)

TRIPLE NINJA'ED: Wow! And to think I won't read these three messages until a much later time! This is a new way of interacting with forums for me.


This is a post I can relate to! :)


Nice! So what happened to you Gingercat? Are you also a Blitzer? Did you give up and jumped to the future? Have you stopped posting?

Sorry for taking 5 years to reply. You know how these time capsules work...

From the future (Aug 13, 2019):

ZoomanSP wrote:
Vytron wrote:Oh, hello Time thread.

Hi Vytron! Welcome back/forward! MolpishIV to see you! Randallspeed on your blitz! Leave some blindposts from the past, if you like!


Thanks ZoomanSP! :) Are you still the record holder of wearing different hats over hats over hats over your head? And, is the biggest turtle in you avatar another hat for something even bigger so it goes both ways but off-camera?

BlitzGirl wrote:Image Hello, Vytron!


Hey BlitzGirl!

BlitzGirl wrote: Welcome almost-forward! Hope you have fun reading the recent pastpages!


Sorry, I can't do it :cry: - I tried reading page 1930, and while they're easier to read (people speak mostly English!) I just feel a disconnect, and still don't know what's going on. I'll travel further into the past, to page 1430, trying to see if I can find some guidance. But I really need to find the appropriate place to continue reading the OTT.

I'm sure soon enough I'll find a place that looks familiar, and then I'll be able to blitz-pass the pages quickly, so I find the boundary between "oh yeah, I read this already, I remember that!" and "what the mustard is going on on this page???" I just hope that place isn't in page 200 or something :shock:

BlitzGirl wrote:And of course, you could always choose to wear a type of hat other than funny if you wanted.


Do they even exist? I don't know, being a zombie half-cat-peacock has wearing a hat that doesn't look funny kind of difficult. At the very least I guess I'd need to stop being a zombie, that could work, though I'd find appropriate to still being a zombie for next Halloween, so I guess hat experimentation can wait till December (assuming wearing a Santa hat isn't funny.)
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby balthasar_s » Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:11 am UTC

Vytron wrote:You might notice that I talk oddly, this is because I have forgotten how to speak :( .
Luckily, it looks like you didn't forget how to write :)

mrob27 wrote:Wow, that's scandalous! Time is behind schedule! (It was on Epilogue frame D, and the prescribed moment of UNGliness came and went, but the image didn't switch to frame C until about 120 millinewpix later!) Perhaps one or two others could try this to confirm.
Could it be that time flows a tiny bit slower for the xkcd servers than for us? And over the 6.5 years the difference has accumulated to 120mnp? Is Time transmitted from a server moving away from us with relativistic speeds?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby BlitzGirl » Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:24 am UTC

I don't want Time to go to space today.

Vytron wrote:
BlitzGirl wrote: Welcome almost-forward! Hope you have fun reading the recent pastpages!

Sorry, I can't do it :cry: - I tried reading page 1930, and while they're easier to read (people speak mostly English!) I just feel a disconnect, and still don't know what's going on. I'll travel further into the past, to page 1430, trying to see if I can find some guidance. But I really need to find the appropriate place to continue reading the OTT.

That can be quite tricky. On my last OTT return, I found I couldn't do much ketchup or blitzing at all or risk being stranded in the past somewhen. But I'm sure you'll encounter familiar territory at some point (it is all RELATED, anyway). Best of luck to you, whenever you wind up!
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Gingercat » Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:27 am UTC

Vytron wrote:Oh, hello Time thread. I'm some guy that used to be here, though, if I remember correctly, mostly in "the past". So I finally decided to jump to the present, except, it's the present of when I left the xkcd forums.


I haven't forgotten you, Vytron :)

Welcome somewhat-forward, good luck with your Blitz, and I look forward to your arrival in the Present!
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