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Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 5:07 pm UTC
by ergman
HAL9000 wrote:
BlueCrab wrote:BlueCrab's blunt fingers + editing on an iPhone = :evil:

Those claws would make it challenging to use a touchscreen.
Anways, [-]ONG
Image
So no molpyburgers, then.


Don't do it Squolpy! its a trap!

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 5:22 pm UTC
by Kieryn
Dracomax wrote:They should be called the "Misty" mountains

Also, on the subject of the Kieryn Sciscitor constelattion of posters and my place within it. It seems I have moved more central to the point of greatest posting. I am calling this The "Event." Not for any particular reason, other than it kind of looks like the point from which the rest of the OTT is exploding. I notice that the link between myself and stratplayer is quite possibly the brightest one there is. I knew there was a strong correlation, but that's a bit awe inspiring, actually.

In other words, Awesome and informative chart!


FTFY. Credit where credit is due.

ETA:
1) It's clearly a molpyrrel.
2) Megball are looking for supplies. It IS a trap and it looks like molpymeat's back on the menu boys.
3)
Spoiler:
Far over the misty mountains cold
To big seas deep and sandcastles old
We must away ere break of day
To see the tale of Time unfold

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 5:40 pm UTC
by Montov
Does a stick figure has meat on its bones? Does a molpy consists of meat in a world of stick figures? Would there be vegetarians, or is it completely not relevant in a stick figure universe?

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 5:41 pm UTC
by HAL9000
Kieryn wrote:3)
Spoiler:
Far over the misty mountains cold
To big seas deep and sandcastles old
We must away ere break of day
To see the tale of Time unfold

I'm pretty sure this is one of the best things I've read all day. Bravo!
I'm considering working on a filk myself, but whenever I try I can't get more than halfway through the song before I run out of ideas. Maybe I should choose some shorter songs...

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 5:49 pm UTC
by edfel
Megan, whatever you do,
Spoiler:
Don't steal its nut!
Image

edit: because flickr hotlinking does have some policies: the image is from http://www.flickr.com/photos/25238692@N02/2618597300/

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 5:54 pm UTC
by Earthling on Mars
Image


@unreal37 - end of the OTC

Spoiler:
unreal37 wrote:We're up to 1600 newpix by the way.

It seems we've stopped speculating when it's going to end. Is Randall going to keep this going for years? Or is there a significant date or frame number he is planning to stop on? What is the current state of the bets on this?

I had a strange thought today. What would happen if it just ended? Suddenly. "The End". Unlike a two hour movie, or a 30 hour book, even a once per week TV series, so many people have spent countless hours (14,000 posts?) every day, analyzing a comic to a pixel level. Inventing names for things that aren't there - molpy's. Speculated to infinity about where this story is going, what does Time mean, and why are we waiting for it. If it ended badly - without significant explanation of what it all means - what would happen? How deeply unsatisfying would that be?

(Heresy).

Anyways, just thinking out loud. Glad to see so much conversation between Cuegan in the recent few OTCs.


After it didn't end with the fading, I'm not worried about it ending without us getting answers. I'm pretty sure it won't end until we find out why the sea is rising and what LaPetite is doing at the sandcastle.


@yappobiscuits - BlitzGirl = Megan?

Spoiler:
yappobiscuits wrote:
BlitzGirl wrote:Sure we can! We can answer any question at all!

Megan wrote:No. But I think we can answer any question.

Ok, that was creepy and awesome. Is BlitzGirl secretly LaPetite AND Megan?!


LaPetite BlitzGirl herself says they're (soul) sisters:

BlitzGirl wrote:Megan is clearly my soul sister.


@charlie_grumbles, yappobiscuits - name

Spoiler:
yappobiscuits wrote:
charlie_grumbles wrote:
yappobiscuits wrote:Also I have to admit I love your name. It just rolls off the tongue well and is funny to say, kinda sounds like a children's character :P.


Children's character??? My name??? MY NAME??????
I sure hope you mean't some one else like BlitzGirl.
Fluffy's coming for you, kid. I'm the curmudgeon here. Sheeesh. Say it ain't so.

Sorry, but it's true :P A grumpy curmudgeonly character though!


Kind of like Oscar the Grouch.


@spamjam - newpixbot

Spoiler:
spamjam wrote:
azule wrote:
Posted: Sat May 25, 2013 10:10:01 pm UTC, spamjam wrote:NEWPIXBOTTEASEONG

That was indeed close. Approximately 2 seconds until newpixbot. Congrats. But, be nicer to our robot friend. :P
[and then later: 11:10:03] .... Are you using a bot now too, spamjam???

I (un?)fortunately don't seem to have much of an Outside Life, and since the OTT is kinda slow, I thought I'd see how close I could get and not be newpixbot-ninja'd. Hard to get much closer me thinks.


I wonder if it's possible to ninja newpixbot?


@Montov - zoom

Spoiler:
Montov wrote:Wow, most zoomed in frame since the early sandcastle era?


Megan is actually a bit larger than her frame 53 self:

sizemegan.png
sizemegan.png (4.44 KiB) Viewed 12056 times

(edited to attach image because imageshack links don't work anymore)


@Kieryn - song parody

Spoiler:
HAL9000 wrote:
Kieryn wrote:3)
Far over the misty mountains cold
To big seas deep and sandcastles old
We must away ere break of day
To see the tale of Time unfold

I'm pretty sure this is one of the best things I've read all day. Bravo!


Indeed! I love that song.

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 5:59 pm UTC
by pelrigg
So while we're watching Megan and the squolpy, and wondering who's going to eat who, Cueball is wandering around without a chaperone.
I'm hoping he doesn't fall in (again), or get attacked by other molpies.
But it would be neatA if he ran into the "campfire"/"pretty neat river" people.
If/when we see some new folks, I wonder how GLR will show them. Will they be wearing some sort of hat? (I hope no feathers or other stereotypical renderings though.)
Or will we only be able to tell the difference by dialog? ("Oh, hi 'other people', how's it going?")
And how many frames will it take to learn a new language?

A Haven't I heard that word before?

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 6:00 pm UTC
by Sciscitor
Thanks to mscha here it is: My own page with some resources and one or the other colourful computation at http://xkcd.mscha.org/sciscitor/.

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 6:00 pm UTC
by HAL9000
nonthreatenONG gesture
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 6:04 pm UTC
by jjjdavidson
As I originally wrote this, HAL9000 had just made the 28565th post on the OTT. The post numbers appear to be sequential over the entire xkcd forum; for instance, I found three posts on this thread numbered 3366395, 3366396, and 3366398; post 3366397 is over in the "Logic Puzzles" forum. So some calculations:

Code: Select all

HAL's latest post: http://fora.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?p=3366444#p3366444
First post on OTT: http://fora.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?p=3301860#p3301860
                                                                 -------
                         Total forum posts since first OTT post:   64584
                             Include rhomboidal's original post:       1
                                                                 -------
Total forum posts (including deletions) since beginning of Time:   64585

28565 / 64585 = .442

So the OTT has accounted for over 44% of all posts on the xkcd forums for the last two months mips.
Edited: Fixed off-by-1 error; months►mips


pelrigg wrote:If/when we see some new folks, I wonder how GLR will show them. Will they be wearing some sort of hat? (I hope no feathers or other stereotypical renderings though.)

So when did you develop this inexplicable prejudice against Cavaliers?
Spoiler:
Image

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 6:06 pm UTC
by mscha
edfel wrote:Megan, whatever you do,
Spoiler:
Don't steal its nut!
Image

ENHANCE!
Spoiler:
Image
Spoiler:
Image

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 6:08 pm UTC
by kenmelken
Hey, everyone. Wasn't able to do much, and must get back to other demands on the [heresy] Outside [/heresy], but I have now at least updated the wiki's section on "Periods" to reflect recent events. If anyone thinks some of the exact newpix numbers for the periods should be toggled a bit, please edit. :) Also, individual pages for each of these recent periods needs to be created.

The last of them needs to be discussed as well. And, probably, it actually is entering a new one with Megan breaking off on her own ("Megan's quest" period, perhaps?)

As for further breaking down the Journey Era into multiple eras, that will have to come later. But hopefully this will start us on the road to getting caught up and better organized in our chronicling of Time.

Here be the updated wiki page:

http://xkcd-time.wikia.com/wiki/Periods

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 6:10 pm UTC
by mscha
Sciscitor wrote:Thanks to mscha here it is: My own page with some resources and one or the other colourful computation at http://xkcd.mscha.org/sciscitor/.

Looking good... Except that you may have forgotten to upload the actual .svgs...

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 6:14 pm UTC
by pelrigg
jjjdavidson wrote:As I begin writing this, HAL9000 has just made the 28565th post on the OTT. The post numbers appear to be sequential over the entire set of xkcd fora. For instance, I found three posts on this thread numbered 3366395, 3366396, and 3366398; post 3366397 is over in the "Logic Puzzles" forum. So some calculations:
Spoiler:

Code: Select all

HAL's latest post: http://fora.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?p=3366444#p3366444
First post on OTT: http://fora.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?p=3301860#p3301860
                                                                 -------
Total forum posts (including deletions) since beginning of Time:   64584

28565 / 64584 = .442


So the OTT has accounted for over 44% of all posts on the xkcd fora for the last two months.

pelrigg wrote:If/when we see some new folks, I wonder how GLR will show them. Will they be wearing some sort of hat? (I hope no feathers or other stereotypical renderings though.)

So when did you develop this inexplicable prejudice against Cavaliers?
Spoiler:
Image


re Cool Hat: No, I'm NOT against them wearing hats, I just don't see GLR using the cliché of 'feathers' or 'bones through the nose' to indicate an indigenous people.

re Total forum posts: And other than some 'miscellaneous' style threads and some game threads, don't *We* have the highest page count?
Yeah Us

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 6:15 pm UTC
by Sciscitor
mscha wrote:
Sciscitor wrote:Thanks to mscha here it is: My own page with some resources and one or the other colourful computation at http://xkcd.mscha.org/sciscitor/.

Looking good... Except that you may have forgotten to upload the actual .svgs...

Oops... fixed now.

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 6:17 pm UTC
by Ebonite
Eek! Once again, I've been away for less than 24 hours (busy weekend) and I fell behind. A lot has happened!

First, Jabber-walky: I've seen wonderful contributions from Platonix (two versions of verse 4) and BlueCrab (verse 5). SBN suggested a twerk to verse 5 which I've incorporated, since I like the meter it produces; besides, I like to include as many different people's input as possible. Here is the current working version of Jabber-walky:

Spoiler:
    'Twas midday, and the molpymurs
    Did dig and tunnel in the ground
    All flighty were the raptorbirds,
    And the beesnakes did abound.

    Fear the molpyraptror, Megan!
    The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
    Beware the the ninjashark! And shun
    the beesnakes that seek your snatch!

    They took their dilgun'rang in hand:
    Long time the sea answers they sought—
    So rested they by the neat "Neat tree,"
    And lay awhile in thought.

    And as in thought they let Time pass,
    The MolpyRabtor, bird-and-hare,
    Came hopping/flying through the grass,
    And screeched to see them there!

    One, two! One, two! And through and through
    The vorpal trebuchet went thwack!
    The RabtorBird fled with its head
    And Cuegan had no snack.

Since the final (seventh) verse is a repeat of the first verse, that leaves only verse 6 to go! Here's the original:

    "And hast thou slain the Jabberwock?
    Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
    O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!"
    He chortled in his joy.
Any takers?

rvloon wrote:Good! I can show off my Old Fartiness yet again. In a male-dominated world, especially in a nerd-community, there will always be a gravitation towards the bubbly-outgoing-type of girl (apologies to {Blitz|Buffy}Girl in advance for this grave generalilzation - I do like your contributions, it's just natural magnetism). It is no different here. On the other hand, I think we can avoid the All-Hail-BG syndrom (Stockholm, anyone ;-)) as we pretty much have demonstrated so far.

I hate to agree that rampant sexism exists, but it does. I used to play the MMORPG City of Heroes with three of my kids before they shut the game down. It was the first MMORPG that the two younger ones had been exposed to, so I played along with them to teach them appropriate behavior online. In addition to proper etiquette, I also tried to teach them how to maintain their own anonymity and privacy, and how they could avoid giving out too much personal information. As an example, after playing several male characters, I created a female superhero to play, intending to show them that if I role-played her correctly, no one should be able to tell my real-life age or gender. (I'm an older male, but if anyone assumed I resembled my character in real life, I wouldn't correct them.) I should also point out that when I created my character, I did not make her ridiculously over-endowed, or dress her in an extremely skimpy costume.

It was a VERY enlightening experience.
  • I got invited to a LOT more teams than my male characters did.
  • I was treated a lot more nicely.
  • People constantly came to my "rescue" whether I needed it or not. (And I usually didn't.)
  • People were a lot more interested in my personal life.
  • People found me on the game chat and said "hello" as soon as I logged into the game.
I shared all of this with my kids to make them aware of the different way people were treating my male characters and my female characters. They got the message, and I'm happy to see that their behavior in online games reflects it.

The experience definitely made me very aware and sympathetic to the crap that women must put up with all the time in games as well as forums. (I know the correct word is "fora", but damn it, it just doesn't sound right!)

Now. . .with Jabber-walky approaching an end, I have to figure out what contribution I can make to the OTT so that I might someday merit a mention in a future Present Present. :D

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 6:18 pm UTC
by Angua
pelrigg wrote:re Total forum posts: And other than some 'miscellaneous' style threads and some game thread, don't *We* have the highest page count?
Yeah Us

The record for highest count on the forum that I'm aware of is over 5000. Though it was in a similar spirit to some of the game threads.

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 6:25 pm UTC
by mikrit
We must enhance!

perry.png

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 6:58 pm UTC
by HAL9000
Angua wrote:
pelrigg wrote:re Total forum posts: And other than some 'miscellaneous' style threads and some game thread, don't *We* have the highest page count?
Yeah Us

The record for highest count on the forum that I'm aware of is over 5000. Though it was in a similar spirit to some of the game threads.

The "count to a million" thread is rather lengthy.
ETA: almost 55000 posts on that thread. Eek! We've got a ways to go!

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 7:00 pm UTC
by HAL9000
feedONG the molpysquirrel?
Image

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 7:01 pm UTC
by mscha
Sciscitor wrote:
mscha wrote:
Sciscitor wrote:Thanks to mscha here it is: My own page with some resources and one or the other colourful computation at http://xkcd.mscha.org/sciscitor/.

Looking good... Except that you may have forgotten to upload the actual .svgs...

Oops... fixed now.

Ah, you're now linking to files from your own Dropbox account.
That's fine, of course, up to you, but it'd be no problem for me if you put the files in this folder, if that's easier for you, or if people start complaining that they can't access them. (Some companies make the dubious decision to block access to Dropbox.)

(By the way, have you considered integrating azule's cool script in your .svg's? I know nothing about SVG, but edfel has Javascript embedded in his map, so apparently you can do that.)

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 7:19 pm UTC
by Sciscitor
mscha wrote:Ah, you're now linking to files from your own Dropbox account.
That's fine, of course, up to you, but it'd be no problem for me if you put the files in this folder, if that's easier for you, or if people start complaining that they can't access them. (Some companies make the dubious decision to block access to Dropbox.)

(By the way, have you considered integrating azule's cool script in your .svg's? I know nothing about SVG, but edfel has Javascript embedded in his map, so apparently you can do that.)

If bandwidth is really no concern to you, I'll move the big files in the folder as well as I go along and add some more features (for which I need some more time, so I guess we will have to Wait for it).
Concerning the javascript: I've looked into it but I could not quite figure out how to implement it inside the svg. Maybe azule can provide an augmented file. I also would like to keep both versions available as some machines might choke on the file size and computation needed.

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 7:25 pm UTC
by pelrigg
HAL9000 wrote:
Angua wrote:
pelrigg wrote:re Total forum posts: And other than some 'miscellaneous' style threads and some game thread, don't *We* have the highest page count?
Yeah Us

The record for highest count on the forum that I'm aware of is over 5000. Though it was in a similar spirit to some of the game threads.

The "count to a million" thread is rather lengthy.
ETA: almost 55000 posts on that thread. Eek! We've got a ways to go!


That's why I was exempting game threads, especially that one. Of course (I think) we have more "content" in one of our posts than they have in one page. So to semi-quote buffygirl: "thpptt".
And we're not a genuine 'miscellaneous' thread either. We might wander off course for a bit, but the digression dies or it returns to the OTC. So in that way aren't we, if not the largest single topic thread, at least one of largest single topic threads?

mikrit wrote:We must enhance!

Spoiler:
perry.png

(Not sure if that's a response to my "hat/language" post, but even if it's not: ) Exactly.

And back to The OTC:
HAL9000 wrote:feedONG the molpysquirrel?


Megan!! You're supposed to be collecting food, not giving it away.....
(Oh, wait, you're empting your bag of crumbs..... Never Mind.)

Edited in some (hopefully) clarification.

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 7:27 pm UTC
by BlitzGirl
Wow, I coma for a few newpix and a squirpy shows up! :D Exciting!

To celebrate, here's a squirrelpy family reunion from Other Comics:
http://xkcd.com/167/ - "Hey, I found squirrels! In a neat tree! The future is an adventure!"
http://xkcd.com/1156/ - Gray squirpy and raptors, and Popeful title-text!
http://xkcd.com/635/ - Don't feed the squirpys!
http://xkcd.com/382/ - It's no trebuchet, but "It keeps squirrels off the feeder!"

And the crown jewel:
http://xkcd.com/776/ - It's all related.

From these, it can be observed that our squirpy's coloring allows it to cleverly blend in with its natural environment of semencoffeecancer, as none of the visible Other Comic squirpy-squirrels are pure black.

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 7:30 pm UTC
by azule
[blind Image post @ newpix #1618]

@Exodies - It was your birthday and yet you get us cake. How nice. Thanks! and congrats!

@lmjb1964 - Cheer up! You are a neat member and we appreciate you.

@Others - There's been a lot of cheering up needed around here. Maybe it's getting too heavy. Is there some yoga breathing we can all do to calm down (and center our chakra)?

Sciscitor wrote:
azule wrote:First time they've cut back to a previous frame.

Not true. Cueball returned after finding the first deserted fireplace and the berries.

Right. I was trying to describe the leftward camera movement, which is new. The other kind is a backwards camera walk. Same idea, technically different.

mscha wrote:
Wnderer wrote:I see a squirrel.

Squirpy, you mean.

Ooh, squirpion!

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 7:31 pm UTC
by Exodies
Ebonite wrote:
    "And hast thou slain the Jabberwock?
    Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
    O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!"
    He chortled in his joy.
Any takers?

    "And hast thou slain the Molpysquir?
    Come to my arms, my beamish Meg!
    O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!"
    She twisted off its head.

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 7:33 pm UTC
by Angelastic
About the squolpy/molpyrrel/squirpion/molpysquir: Are there actually squirrels in Madagascar? This page says they're not native there, and doesn't specifically mention them being introduced (even though it does mention the introduction of squirrels to Australia) :

Animal Diversity Web wrote:Squirrels are found worldwide, native to all terrestrial regions with the exception of Australia, Madagascar, southern South America, Antarctica, Greenland, many oceanic islands, and certain desert regions such as the Sahara.


I can't find any worldwide distribution maps, though.

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 7:35 pm UTC
by BlitzGirl
Oh, and kudos on all of the creativeness that happened while I was a-coma, too: Sciscitor's new charts, edfels updated map, and yappo's otterific avatar! Image

And to everyone thanking me for the Present Present: You're welcome! :D I'm glad you liked it!

NatGeo has this little distribution map:

Image

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 7:37 pm UTC
by Exodies
I was going through Randall's garbage and found a receipt for shipment of 20000 surplus cosmetic testing laboratory squirrels to Madagascar, so I think he's well prepared for Angelastic's research.

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 7:38 pm UTC
by mscha
Sciscitor wrote:If bandwidth is really no concern to you, I'll move the big files in the folder as well as I go along and add some more features (for which I need some more time, so I guess we will have to Wait for it).

Bandwidth should be fine (within reason), it's an externally hosted server, and data usage is not metered. So, as long as you don't upload gigabytes (or your charts get slashdotted), it'll be no problem.

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 7:44 pm UTC
by jjjdavidson
azule wrote:
Sciscitor wrote:
azule wrote:First time they've cut back to a previous frame.

Not true. Cueball returned after finding the first deserted fireplace and the berries.

Right. I was trying to describe the leftward camera movement, which is new. The other kind is a backwards camera walk. Same idea, technically different.

Can you explain the technical difference for the lucky 10,000 of us who always think it's fun to learn these things? Thanks!

BlitzGirl wrote:NatGeo has this little distribution map:
Image

That's odd; that looks just like the map I saw in Popular Mechanics last month for the distribution of squirrels without broadband internet access. Funny how these maps always seem to match up...
────────────────
[anal]While I was Outside mowing grass, I realized there was a minor error in my earlier calculation of the OTT's percentage of forum activity. It doesn't affect the outcome (same to five significant digits), but I had to go back and fix it anyway. It would have bugged me otherwise.[/anal]

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 7:45 pm UTC
by HAL9000
mscha wrote:
Sciscitor wrote:If bandwidth is really no concern to you, I'll move the big files in the folder as well as I go along and add some more features (for which I need some more time, so I guess we will have to Wait for it).

Bandwidth should be fine (within reason), it's an externally hosted server, and data usage is not metered. So, as long as you don't upload gigabytes (or your charts get slashdotted), it'll be no problem.

Well, now that you've said that, slashdot'll put http://xkcd.mscha.org/ on their homepage by the end of the week.

Also:
jjjdavidson wrote:[anal]...[/anal]

:shock:

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 7:55 pm UTC
by mscha
Angelastic wrote:About the squolpy/molpyrrel/squirpion/molpysquir: Are there actually squirrels in Madagascar?

Well, there's this one...

Looks like he's not actually on Madagascar, the island, just in a TV series based on the Madagascar characters.

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 8:00 pm UTC
by HAL9000
OfferONG
Image

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 8:00 pm UTC
by Angelastic
BlitzGirl wrote:NatGeo has this little distribution map:

Image

Well, in that map it looks like there are none in Madagascar, but that doesn't show the region of Australia that has introduced squirrels, so I assume it's only showing natives. We still don't know for sure whether Madagascar has introduced squirrels.

Of course, the OTC is sort of like a fairy tale, and squirrels are definitely native to fairy tales (when I grew up I saw some in Canada and Switzerland, but I assume they were introduced), so it's probably okay. :D

Re: 1190: "Time" - Matches and the Persistence of Emotion

Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 8:23 pm UTC
by ttscp
I'm going to talk about the OTT and the lack of flames. If you want to talk about the OTC, skip this post. I do think this post will be on-topic (as if anything in this thread is off-topic), but it does skim the edge.

It is one of the amazing features of this thread that we have had no flames in 28,000 posts. About 24 newpix ago, I followed a link from this thread to a light hearted article about Skynet taking over. Within two comments they were flaming.

So why don't we flame?

We have an unusual bunch here. We are articulate, intelligent, creative, xkcd followers. However that hasn't kept flames from starting in other xkcd fora (as an example, look at them arguing in Serious Business about what the Serious Business forum should be about).

There are over 900 posters. That's usually an invitation to flame. We humans can support an effective social group of about 150 people (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar%27s_number), that is way higher than chimpanzee social group size of 15 to 120 (http://www.savethechimps.org/chimp-facts) and I've seen it ascribed to our need to establish where we belong in the group (or social hierarchy) by talking, where chimps do it by grooming. However, 150 is still low compared to 900.

While we go off on whimsical pursuits (poetry, hats, stories, self-made religions, etc) we stay away from the major causes of flame wars elsewhere. There are, I think, three contributing factors: the first is the tick of the OTC itself. Not that we are not capable of concentrated effort, it's just that the appearance of each newpix, with its attendant speculation about what might be happening, tends to derail any sustained emotional commitment to a flame. The second is the collaborative feel brought about by the continuing mystery of the OTC, and the third is our desire to protect the thread from flames, now that we done it so far.

I don't think we would have been able to do this without the mystery and continuing tick of newpix. As I noted above, each newpix causes speculation. Whether it is slow sea rise where we are examining pixels of an otherwise unchanged sandcastlescape, or bee-snakes and molpys, we jump all over it and speculate endlessly. We also entertain ourselves between newpix with the aformentioned distractions, but those alone don't derail things as effectively as a newpix.

The collaboration was established early. An example: when we first realized we might lose a frame, mscha programmed the newpixbot. Initially it was programmed to collect and publish the new ong as soon as it became available, but people complained they would have no chance to publish and comment themselves. So mscha graciously backed off and now the newpixbot posts 10 [heresy]minutes[/heresy] after the [heresy]hour[/hour]. I've seen that again and again in the OTT; the spirit is collaborative. Nobody seems worried about whether their stanza ends up in the Jabber-walky, just that we get the best product.

There are limits to collaboration. If I post and nobody pays any attention, I'm likely to get my nose out of joint. If I am misquoted or feel I'm referred to disparagingly, I'm likely to get my nose out of joint. If I have disagreements about what is proper etiquette for posting or what the direction of the OTT should be, I'm likely to get my nose out of joint. However, I need to remember, that it isn't personal. Everyone I have ever seen post in this forum has behaved nicely, even when they were irritated. I can light a match, but I'm better off letting it go out before I get burned, before I let my emotion take me over.

Case in point. I singled out mscha for a compliment above, so I'll use him as an example of something that irritated me. I quoted newpixbot to make a comment about the posted newpix. The response was "How very uninspired...", but the way he quoted, I couldn't tell whether he was talking about my post or the newpixbot ONG which was "DONGS". So I spent some time irritated, and then realized I couldn't tell what he was talking about, and it wasn't worth even lighting a match over. As I said, not personal.

Finally, we now have become protective of the thread. We act to keep flames from happening. SBN pointed out that we can resolve differences only if we know them. I think of that as a another reminder not to take things personally. You may not know that your opinion pushes one of my buttons. I opined in another post that contribution to the thread need not only be poetry, hats, images, graphs but can be just appreciation for one another; the social glue that reminds us that we are all part of the same group, human or bot.

Of course, since I'm emotional about the OTT, this very idea may be the one that I keep the match burning on.

Enough. I'm very happy to be part of this thread, and once again I appreciate all that all of you have done. I don't appreciate all the time it takes away from my Outside responsibilities, but I can't have everything.

And, just to derail the main thought of this post and avoid double posting, here are some random/miscellaneous thoughts

Perhaps MobTeeseboose is not lurking Time, but some other xkcd forum. It may be the newpix bot of that other forum, except that it doesn't post, it just scrapes information for some Sciscitor like graphs.

Newpix is the base unit. For some reason the Outside sped up after the first few newpix.

Re: 1190: "Time" - Matches and the Persistence of Emotion

Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 8:49 pm UTC
by HAL9000
ttscp wrote:...the third is our desire to protect the thread from flames, now that we done it so far...
...Finally, we now have become protective of the thread.

I agree wholeheartedly with the entirety of your post, but these lines fit too perfectly with your signature ("Always act to increase the survival chances of the largest group you are a part of.") for me to not point it out. With a total membership of 900ish (significantly fewer have remained active, but that's beside the point), this is one of the largest interest-based groups that I'm a member of.

Re: 1190: "Time" - Matches and the Persistence of Emotion

Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 8:52 pm UTC
by Exodies
ttscp wrote:I'm going to talk about the OTT and the lack of flames. If you want to talk about the OTC, skip this post. I do think this post will be on-topic (as if anything in this thread is off-topic), but it does skim the edge.

There are limits to collaboration. If I post and nobody pays any attention, I'm likely to get my nose out of joint. If I am misquoted or feel I'm referred to disparagingly, I'm likely to get my nose out of joint. If I have disagreements about what is proper etiquette for posting or what the direction of the OTT should be, I'm likely to get my nose out of joint. However, I need to remember, that it isn't personal. Everyone I have ever seen post in this forum has behaved nicely, even when they were irritated. I can light a match, but I'm better off letting it go out before I get burned, before I let my emotion take me over.


Cool post.
A couple of things:
I don't mind if my posts are ignored; I can't control anyone's sense of humour.
Misquoting or disparaging me will either make me laugh or have no effect.

It was the bot's no-joke-included DONG which was uninspired, though that required close reading.

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 8:58 pm UTC
by azule
Sciscitor wrote:Concerning the javascript: I've looked into it but I could not quite figure out how to implement it inside the svg. Maybe azule can provide an augmented file.

Thank you (to Sciscitor for making, mscha for hosting), they're both beautiful.
I will work on an augmented file (a few newpix from now). Woot!

P.S. Any way to get an SVG on the hairy spine one?

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sun May 26, 2013 9:00 pm UTC
by HAL9000
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ETA: Vatican Milliner's Perfect ONG