1190: "Time"

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby fhorn » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:14 pm UTC

Rule110 wrote:Won't anyone think of the molpies?
The squirpy, the little prickly, the baby chirp (will it learn to fly in time?), the SNAKE!! that forgot to have a head and a tail, even the snarl-meowlpy?
We need an ark. Or a land-based capture-and-rescue operation, which would be more efficient, though still pretty difficult.
(Sure, rescuing LaPetite, and the other 37, is more important... but the molpies are featured characters! We thought they were just Time-filler and clues about the environment, but I now consider them all Chekov's Molpies and leaving them to their fates off-camera would be unsatisfactory.) :cry: :wink:

Perhaps the fluttermolpy was the lucky one after all:
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby edo » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:15 pm UTC

By the way, clearing everyone in the Mediterranean Basin would be a Herculean task. Why would they think they told everyone? do they have a mass media system?

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby SPACKlick » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:16 pm UTC

So before, when I posted the version of bohemian rhapsody, without the song in it. That was stupid.

Rhapsody for the OTC
Spoiler:
Is this the end Time?
Is this Cuegan’s Destiny?
Castles made landslides
visited by La Petite.
The river’s size
is enough to fill the sea
So off on a journey, to understand everything.
Because How it works, “I don’t know"
Moutain’s high, river’s low
up this high the wind blows, and raptors fly and there are trees.

Megan, these trees are neat
But too hard to rest your head
so use your bag here for a bed
Megan, there’s berries to eat
And the people who live here have run away
Megan, ooo
The sea it tasted fresh
If we don’t find out what changed the water
Carry on, carry on, at least it’s beautiful

There’s squirrels here, and lots of food
The bush is full of flies
but the sun’s not in your eyes
A snake startled Cueball- so round we go
Gotta leave the chirps behind and find the truth
Megan, ooo - (up this high cool wind blows)
Face bug on my face
the river turns into a wowterfall

I see a little silhouette-o of a molpy
“It’s OK”, “It’s OK”, it’s just a little prickly


Stare at sand and water -- never, see these beautiful wings
Look out meowlpy, Look out meowlpy,
Look out meowlpy, Look out meowlpy,
Look out meowlpy, thawapp flee – flag stops the bleeeeed!

Let’s go up the mountain, we’ll be able to see
Put it all in your bag and give your bag to me.
I’ll just step in and help you cross this stream
Stars will come, sun will go – there’s a meteor!
Lord Randall! Lo! They found the beanie men! – Beanie Men!
Lord Randal! Is this their weapon? – Their weapon! [Said Wepp-En for rhyme…?]
Lord Randal! And now we’re out of breath! – Out of breath!
Don’t know what he said! – what he said!
so let’s draw instead! – draw instead!
We’ll take you to our head! -- ooo

go, go, go, go, go, go, go!
Oh Rosetta, Oh Rosetta, Oh Rosetta! Let me know!
We need to know what’s happening with the sea!
the sea!
the sea!!

So you arose here from down in the dessert below
and there are five eight times people at home
The seas joined, and the other sea’s higher
The seas gonna rise – the sea’s gonna rise right up to here

Ooh no, ooh no
We already saved the others
saved them from the sea
But we didn’t know about you
We didn’t know about you, you see

wait for it and who knows

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby moody7277 » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:16 pm UTC

Shouldn't that "NO" have had a double line over the o?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby higgs-boson » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:16 pm UTC

If a dam-like structure is washed out and finally breaks it is very much water coming in with a quite unpleasant speed, carrying things that will hurt you if they hit you.

It is not a matter of swimming in muddy / salty / fresh water.
It's about swimming in a current over rough grounds with a great deal of sticky / hard / entangling flotsam.

I pass, thanks.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Angelastic » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:18 pm UTC

It's interesting to reread the conversation about rivers carving through mountains with this new knowledge. The cliff walls look sandy.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby cellocgw » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:19 pm UTC

edo wrote:How to make an epic tale: step 1) kill off everyone the heroes know


step 2) ???
step 3) Profit!!


Hey, I read /. , you insensitive clod.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby adnapemit » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:20 pm UTC

Rule110 wrote:The slow rise we saw on-screen (even up until the floating bucket cut-away, assuming that's the original sand castle site with the same camera position) would be easy to escape. I think Hypatia's about to tell them that the inundation is going to accelerate as the flow cuts a larger and larger channel.

Won't anyone think of the molpies?

The squirpy, the little prickly, the baby chirp (will it learn to fly in time?), the SNAKE!! that forgot to have a head and a tail, even the snarl-meowlpy?

We need an ark. Or a land-based capture-and-rescue operation, which would be more efficient, though still pretty difficult.

(Sure, rescuing LaPetite, and the other 37, is more important... but the molpies are featured characters! We thought they were just Time-filler and clues about the environment, but I now consider them all Chekov's Molpies and leaving them to their fates off-camera would be unsatisfactory.) :cry: :wink:


Oh no The poor pokemolp! at least the beesnakes can fly away.

How much will the boabab trees be covered? will they be completely under water or maybe just the tops will be visible(if any of the molpies can swim or float they might be able to live there till proper rescue arrives.)
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby NetWeasel » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:21 pm UTC

Theory:

In the late 21st century, in response to the rising sea level, the Mediterranian countries pool funding for the Locks of Hercules Project -- a dam and locks system to stem the rising seas, and keep the Mediterranian Sea at the same level that it was at yet still maintain a trade route.
(Yes, the sea gets more saline through evaporation, but that is a small price to pay)
The Locks, arguably the 9th wonder of the Modern World, were designed to last at least 10,000 years.

Then Antares went supernova, knocking back technology (somehow), and the locks froze/rusted shut.

9000 years later, this happened. My guess is that the Beanies, inquisitive little chaps that they are, came down with a terminal case of "what does this lever do?" and opened a spillway that they cannot close,..
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Arky » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:21 pm UTC

edo wrote:By the way, clearing everyone in the Mediterranean Basin would be a Herculean task. Why would they think they told everyone? do they have a mass media system?

saraan!


They told everyone they knew about. They seem like organised sorts, and probably have maps and records of decades, even centuries of human contacts throughout the basin and could have made a real fist of sending messengers far and wide. Unfortunately, the 40 and perhaps the Hill People as well never came to their attention.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Fictioneer » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:25 pm UTC

higgs-boson wrote:If a dam-like structure is washed out and finally breaks it is very much water coming in with a quite unpleasant speed, carrying things that will hurt you if they hit you.

It is not a matter of swimming in muddy / salty / fresh water.
It's about swimming in a current over rough grounds with a great deal of sticky / hard / entangling flotsam.

I pass, thanks.


If that's the case (and I'm not arguing with you a bit), it makes me wonder why the Beanies are seemingly still in the process of restoring a castle that will soon be underwater and not in the process of packing up and heading further inland themselves.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby taixzo » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:25 pm UTC

Neil_Boekend wrote:
Dracomax wrote:
r34ver wrote:I am [so?] sorry/sorrow? - I think I can see a G in there too? - also there looks to be a beanish question mark above the rightmost W

Oh, my Randall....She's the Doctor! It all makes sense now! The TARDIS must be malfunctioning, though...

Prediction--Next arc features Cuegan becoming companions.

Yes, and they will get stuck in a parallel dimension. Thus ends Time


I think this is the only one I've seen where "Thus ends Time" is actually literal.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby higgs-boson » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:26 pm UTC

SPACKlick wrote:So before, when I posted the version of bohemian rhapsody, without the song in it. That was stupid.

Rhapsody for the OTC
Spoiler:
Is this the end Time?
Is this Cuegan’s Destiny?
Castles made landslides
visited by La Petite.
The river’s size
is enough to fill the sea
So off on a journey, to understand everything.
Because How it works, “I don’t know"
Moutain’s high, river’s low
up this high the wind blows, and raptors fly and there are trees.

Megan, these trees are neat
But too hard to rest your head
so use your bag here for a bed
Megan, there’s berries to eat
And the people who live here have run away
Megan, ooo
The sea it tasted fresh
If we don’t find out what changed the water
Carry on, carry on, at least it’s beautiful

There’s squirrels here, and lots of food
The bush is full of flies
but the sun’s not in your eyes
A snake startled Cueball- so round we go
Gotta leave the chirps behind and find the truth
Megan, ooo - (up this high cool wind blows)
Face bug on my face
the river turns into a wowterfall

I see a little silhouette-o of a molpy
“It’s OK”, “It’s OK”, it’s just a little prickly


Stare at sand and water -- never, see these beautiful wings
Look out meowlpy, Look out meowlpy,
Look out meowlpy, Look out meowlpy,
Look out meowlpy, thawapp flee – flag stops the bleeeeed!

Let’s go up the mountain, we’ll be able to see
Put it all in your bag and give your bag to me.
I’ll just step in and help you cross this stream
Stars will come, sun will go – there’s a meteor!
Lord Randall! Lo! They found the beanie men! – Beanie Men!
Lord Randal! Is this their weapon? – Their weapon! [Said Wepp-En for rhyme…?]
Lord Randal! And now we’re out of breath! – Out of breath!
Don’t know what he said! – what he said!
so let’s draw instead! – draw instead!
We’ll take you to our head! -- ooo

go, go, go, go, go, go, go!
Oh Rosetta, Oh Rosetta, Oh Rosetta! Let me know!
We need to know what’s happening with the sea!
the sea!
the sea!!

So you arose here from down in the dessert below
and there are five eight times people at home
The seas joined, and the other sea’s higher
The seas gonna rise – the sea’s gonna rise right up to here

Ooh no, ooh no
We already saved the others
saved them from the sea
But we didn’t know about you
We didn’t know about you, you see

wait for it and who knows


You might want to step back in Time... maybe ~ 640 NPs.
However, I like your work, too.

Hint: Check the Wiki
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby mikrit » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:27 pm UTC

charlie_grumbles wrote:I think, now, that it is all an elaborate What If scenario.

Yes, that's why they are now in Chateau de What If. Sorry.

By the way, I tend to be optimistic. The Cueganites seem to be resourceful and inventive.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby HES » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:27 pm UTC

b2bomberkrh wrote:Ok, I'm blindposting a little bit here, since I haven't finished ketchup yet, even though I was only gone for 5 hours, there's a lot that's happened. By the way, I tend to ketchup by starting with the current and working backwards, is there a different name for that?

puhctek, obviously

Good call, Rule110 (Of course, with enough of us making wrong predictions somebody has to get it right)

The molpies will be fine, animals predict tsunamis, right? (I am quite happy believing this. Don't ruin it for me)

Megans reaction to the next newpix should give us an idea of their relationship with the rest of the 40 - family, cohabitants, random exiles...
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A Flood... of Questions

Postby nerdsniped » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:28 pm UTC

Posting while caught up for once. So... many... questions... (HES should be happy):

How salty would the dried-up Mediterranean basin be? What sort of plants could grow there? How much food supply would there be?

The basin is huge, how did the Learners manage to warn everyone (OK almost everyone) in it? How much time / warning did they have?

We've seen that the Learners possess some reasonably sophisticated technology. Perhaps even more impressive is the scope of their activities: surveying the coastline, rebuilding the castle (I think that was mentioned?), sending warnings throughout the basin, attempting to shore up the Gibraltar dam, uncovering the geologic history of the region. How is it that they can do all this, and yet we've seen no evidence of any method of transportation other than walking?

How far down into the basin were Cuegan at the beginning? The Mediterranean is over 5000 meters deep at its deepest point... it seems hard to believe they could have climbed so far without experiencing serious altitude effects. Maybe half that height is plausible? Can we tell, from the map, how far below modern sea level they were when they started?

I'm also a bit hung up on the temperature difference. 40 degrees Celsius would be an insane differential to hike through without special preparation. Someone mentioned that in practice it would probably be less, and they must not have begun at the very bottom of the basin. But even 10 or 15 degrees Celsius would be pretty significant if you hadn't brought appropriate clothing.

If we assume that the collapse of our current civilization coincided with (or preceded) the draining of the Mediterranean, then there wouldn't necessarily be much evidence of the old civilization within the basin, especially 11,000 years later. But what about outside the basin? Today, our impact on the Mediterranean coastline is pretty profound. How much of that would still survive? (I'm not thinking just of buildings and roads, but artifacts, scrap materials, etc.)

Regarding the building of the beach platform, early on: our current theory is that Megan and Cueball threw this together from Hill People scraps that had floated down the river? How the heck does that work? They had many large pieces of what looked like high-quality lumber, cut to precise specifications, not to mention what seemed to be plenty of excellent hardware for connecting it together. The Hill People are in the habit of tossing such things into the stream? Or they build so close to the river that their houses are routinely swept away during the rainy season? How is the lumber not warped by now? How did everything get cut to size?

Pant... pant... OK, that's all I have for the moment.

P.S. Prof. Grumbles, I think you nailed it with your "this is an extended What-If" analysis.
P.P.S. I think this was said already, but now we know why they didn't encounter any people prior to the Beanies.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby SPACKlick » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:30 pm UTC

higgs-boson wrote:
SPACKlick wrote:So before, when I posted the version of bohemian rhapsody, without the song in it. That was stupid.

Rhapsody for the OTC
Spoiler:
Is this the end Time?
Is this Cuegan’s Destiny?
Castles made landslides
visited by La Petite.
The river’s size
is enough to fill the sea
So off on a journey, to understand everything.
Because How it works, “I don’t know"
Moutain’s high, river’s low
up this high the wind blows, and raptors fly and there are trees.

Megan, these trees are neat
But too hard to rest your head
so use your bag here for a bed
Megan, there’s berries to eat
And the people who live here have run away
Megan, ooo
The sea it tasted fresh
If we don’t find out what changed the water
Carry on, carry on, at least it’s beautiful

There’s squirrels here, and lots of food
The bush is full of flies
but the sun’s not in your eyes
A snake startled Cueball- so round we go
Gotta leave the chirps behind and find the truth
Megan, ooo - (up this high cool wind blows)
Face bug on my face
the river turns into a wowterfall

I see a little silhouette-o of a molpy
“It’s OK”, “It’s OK”, it’s just a little prickly


Stare at sand and water -- never, see these beautiful wings
Look out meowlpy, Look out meowlpy,
Look out meowlpy, Look out meowlpy,
Look out meowlpy, thawapp flee – flag stops the bleeeeed!

Let’s go up the mountain, we’ll be able to see
Put it all in your bag and give your bag to me.
I’ll just step in and help you cross this stream
Stars will come, sun will go – there’s a meteor!
Lord Randall! Lo! They found the beanie men! – Beanie Men!
Lord Randal! Is this their weapon? – Their weapon! [Said Wepp-En for rhyme…?]
Lord Randal! And now we’re out of breath! – Out of breath!
Don’t know what he said! – what he said!
so let’s draw instead! – draw instead!
We’ll take you to our head! -- ooo

go, go, go, go, go, go, go!
Oh Rosetta, Oh Rosetta, Oh Rosetta! Let me know!
We need to know what’s happening with the sea!
the sea!
the sea!!

So you arose here from down in the dessert below
and there are five eight times people at home
The seas joined, and the other sea’s higher
The seas gonna rise – the sea’s gonna rise right up to here

Ooh no, ooh no
We already saved the others
saved them from the sea
But we didn’t know about you
We didn’t know about you, you see

wait for it and who knows


You might want to step back in Time... maybe ~ 640 NPs.
However, I like your work, too.

Hint: Check the Wiki


I was aware that there was another version but I just loved the idea of putting Rosetta in one and it stuck with me so I wrote it.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Gedeon » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:31 pm UTC

Fictioneer wrote:If that's the case (and I'm not arguing with you a bit), it makes me wonder why the Beanies are seemingly still in the process of restoring a castle that will soon be underwater and not in the process of packing up and heading further inland themselves.


The castle won't be flooded, it will just become an island.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby CasCat » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:32 pm UTC

Arky wrote:
edo wrote:By the way, clearing everyone in the Mediterranean Basin would be a Herculean task. Why would they think they told everyone? do they have a mass media system?

saraan!


They told everyone they knew about. They seem like organised sorts, and probably have maps and records of decades, even centuries of human contacts throughout the basin and could have made a real fist of sending messengers far and wide. Unfortunately, the 40 and perhaps the Hill People as well never came to their attention.


They might even have told the Hill People, but the Hill People don't like the Shore People (The Forty) and so spitefully didn't tell the Beanies about the Shore People and didn't tell the Shore People about the coming catastrophe...
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Swein » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:33 pm UTC

I guess Cuegan have walked about 350 km (with a raise of 2600-2700 meters - mostly at the end). That would take at least 10 days.
If the brave 40 take the closest route to the hills (formerly known as Mallorca) they should just need to walk perhaps 150 km. Unfortunately they would have to follow the shore (moving) most of the way. A better bet would be to walk straight to the Spanish main land. Roughly 210 km. If they started when La Petite warned them they should have a decent chance. Otherwise they better start working on an Ark!
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby charlie_grumbles » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:33 pm UTC

Qalyar wrote:Cueballia wouldn't be as hot at the Wikipedia article suggests for the "bottom" of a dry Mediterranean basin. The math for that temperature prediction is based on adiabatic heating -- temperatures rise as elevation decreases. But the OTC doesn't take place in a completely dry basin; Cueball's sea fills the Balearic Abyssal Plain, which includes (by a large margin!) the deepest reaches of the western Mediterranean. Weather conditions in summer along the shore would be oppressive by our standards, but probably not the lethal temperatures that would be found at the bottom of that sea were it to evaporate.

I've been thinking about this. Yes, you are right and they aren't at the bottom of the well, but pretty far down, living in something like a parabolic oven with no outlet. Think death valley to the max and then some. So maybe only 55C or 60 on hot days. So adiabatic heating is less, but reflective more (salt pan).
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby nerdsniped » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:34 pm UTC

Gedeon wrote:
Fictioneer wrote:If that's the case (and I'm not arguing with you a bit), it makes me wonder why the Beanies are seemingly still in the process of restoring a castle that will soon be underwater and not in the process of packing up and heading further inland themselves.


The castle won't be flooded, it will just become an island.

The context here was speculation that global sea level had risen. If that were the case (and it hasn't subsided in the meantime), then what was an island in our time will be underwater once the OTC flood completes.
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Re: A Flood... of Questions

Postby CasCat » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:35 pm UTC

nerdsniped wrote:Posting while caught up for once. So... many... questions... (HES should be happy):

<snip>

We've seen that the Learners possess some reasonably sophisticated technology. Perhaps even more impressive is the scope of their activities: surveying the coastline, rebuilding the castle (I think that was mentioned?), sending warnings throughout the basin, attempting to shore up the Gibraltar dam, uncovering the geologic history of the region. How is it that they can do all this, and yet we've seen no evidence of any method of transportation other than walking?
<snip>
P.S. Prof. Grumbles, I think you nailed it with your "this is an extended What-If" analysis.
P.P.S. I think this was said already, but now we know why they didn't encounter any people prior to the Beanies.


I think Prof. Grumbles nailed it more than one way; obviously, the Tour de France is still being held, and the Beanies therefore have bicycles.... :lol:
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Gedeon » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:36 pm UTC

nerdsniped wrote:
Gedeon wrote:
Fictioneer wrote:If that's the case (and I'm not arguing with you a bit), it makes me wonder why the Beanies are seemingly still in the process of restoring a castle that will soon be underwater and not in the process of packing up and heading further inland themselves.


The castle won't be flooded, it will just become an island.

The context here was speculation that global sea level had risen. If that were the case (and it hasn't subsided in the meantime), then what was an island in our time will be underwater once the OTC flood completes.


There is no evidence supporting raising ocean levels theory. West coast of France (Atlantic) is in the same position on the map as it is today.

If anything, ocean levels will drop slightly after refilling of the Mediterranean basin.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby taixzo » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:38 pm UTC

Gedeon wrote:
nerdsniped wrote:
Gedeon wrote:
Fictioneer wrote:If that's the case (and I'm not arguing with you a bit), it makes me wonder why the Beanies are seemingly still in the process of restoring a castle that will soon be underwater and not in the process of packing up and heading further inland themselves.


The castle won't be flooded, it will just become an island.

The context here was speculation that global sea level had risen. If that were the case (and it hasn't subsided in the meantime), then what was an island in our time will be underwater once the OTC flood completes.


There is no evidence supporting raising ocean levels theory. West coast of France (Atlantic) is in the same position on the map as it is today.


How far would those coasts change if the sea level rose, though?

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby NetWeasel » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:40 pm UTC

Gedeon wrote:
Fictioneer wrote:If that's the case (and I'm not arguing with you a bit), it makes me wonder why the Beanies are seemingly still in the process of restoring a castle that will soon be underwater and not in the process of packing up and heading further inland themselves.


The castle won't be flooded, it will just become an island.

It will become an island IF the atlantic is at 10th-20th century levels... If, however, the ocean is 30m higher, then irony happens.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby capnbuckle » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:43 pm UTC

Have a look at the relevant region in this map (I can't get the image to show up, correctly...so you'll just have to follow the link...)

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http://maroonbeard.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/The-Mediterranean-Seafloor-1982.jpg

Looking at the Beanie projection, it looks like the Pretty Neat River is flowing down the deep channel just west of the Maures Escarpment, due west of Corsica, atop the Corso-Ligurian Basin. Cuegan walked quite a ways east along the boundary of that basin before reaching the mouth of the Pretty Neat River. This means that the "Hill People" upriver from them likely live in the Félibres Hills or the La Renaixenca Hills, in the southern vicinity of the Rhône Fan.

Those hills are the problem.

They are significantly elevated from the surrounding terrain, and would be the closest, most obvious "higher ground" upon which the Forty might take refuge. Once those hills are cut off, their fate is sealed without an accomplished seafaring culture...and I don't think there was any talk of sailing vessels or boats of any kind.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Gedeon » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:44 pm UTC

taixzo wrote:
How far would those coasts change if the sea level rose, though?

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Noticeably far. Region around Bordeaux sits very close to the ocean level.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Fictioneer » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:47 pm UTC

NetWeasel wrote:
Gedeon wrote:
Fictioneer wrote:If that's the case (and I'm not arguing with you a bit), it makes me wonder why the Beanies are seemingly still in the process of restoring a castle that will soon be underwater and not in the process of packing up and heading further inland themselves.


The castle won't be flooded, it will just become an island.

It will become an island IF the atlantic is at 10th-20th century levels... If, however, the ocean is 30m higher, then irony happens.


Megan observed that "the shoreline goes right through where the castle is". It sounds kind of dicey.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby b2bomberkrh » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:47 pm UTC

Charm Quark wrote:Molpy up (who needs comas? It's time to watch the British Open!)
Spoiler:
b2bomberkrh wrote:Although it doesn't help the language question, I will point out that the 10,000 time gap isn't quite the relevant time gap. Languages have become more and more stable as technology has progressed. Absent any calamity, I would expect the languages of the future to be close enough to modern day languages to be quite recognizable. Linguistic drift is much more prevalent in the absence of mass media, and global communication. More important is the time frame from when modern technology was lost. Obviously, we have no clue whatsoever about this, but at least it means we shouldn't assume that the language has changed significantly. My own opinion is that it's going to be impossible to crack the language if it isn't based around some current language. My parents work for an organization that learns languages from scratch in remote tribal locations, and it takes a linguist years of living among a people to learn the language effectively enough to translate it.


I'm not sure I agree with this. If anything, the rapid advance of technology has accelerated the processes of new word creation and old word obsolescence, so I think the opposite might be true. Take a book or a song or a movie from today and compare it to one from 20 or 30 years ago, for instance, and there's a noticeable difference in vocabulary. Is there real evidence that languages are becoming more stable, or are you just speculating? Even if language evolution has slowed down, it would have to slow down a lot for us to have a chance of relating Beanish to a current language. Even a tenfold change in rate of evolution might not be enough, as our language today would be complete gibberish to anyone living in the year 1013.

ETA: I do think GLR will make it possible to decipher Beanish, though. He's very seaish in a does-what-it-wants kind of way.


It's been a long time since I read this, but it wasn't my idea originally. My understanding is that technology is adding a lot of new vocabulary, but it is language structure, spelling, pronunciation, grammar that is slowing down its rate of change. I wasn't trying to imply languages haven't changed here in the OTC, but to point out that comparing the changes to the changes from the last 10,000 years is inappropriate, since the changing of languages is not a constant thing, and modern technology will have an affect on that. I do agree that Randall is likely to make it possible to decipher, and still think we should be looking for what the language is based on. I'm not even close to convinced that it is a completely contrived language. Also, I don't think language changes back to 1013 is far enough to make language gibberish. The King James Bible from 1611 is completely readable, and the Canterbury Tales written in Old English dating to approximately 1000 years ago is strange to read, but is nowhere close to gibberish:

"WHAN that Aprille with his shoures soote
The droghte of Marche hath perced to the roote..."

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ttscp » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:48 pm UTC

gga2 wrote:Here's an attempt to attach an image, showing the eyes. There have been two versions - it starts with a smaller faded version, than got larger and stayed there. I've highlighted them using Paint to be much more visible here (obviously). Glare from the other windows? Did the sun just come up? Seems minor, but then why add it if there wasn't some meaning?

eyes.JPG

Good catch. How did you even see that?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Zorin_75 » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:54 pm UTC

ttscp wrote:Good catch. How did you even see that?
Geekwagon doesn't show any difference from the first frame the windows stabilized:
http://geekwagon.net/projects/xkcd1190/?frame=2920&framediff=2863

Uhm, on my screen it DOES show the change of the "eyes" pretty clearly...?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Rule110 » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:56 pm UTC

SPACKlick wrote:So before, when I posted the version of bohemian rhapsody, without the song in it. That was stupid.

Rhapsody for the OTC
Spoiler:
Is this the end Time?
Is this Cuegan’s Destiny?
Castles made landslides
visited by La Petite.
The river’s size
is enough to fill the sea
So off on a journey, to understand everything.
Because How it works, “I don’t know"
Moutain’s high, river’s low
up this high the wind blows, and raptors fly and there are trees.

Megan, these trees are neat
But too hard to rest your head
so use your bag here for a bed
Megan, there’s berries to eat
And the people who live here have run away
Megan, ooo
The sea it tasted fresh
If we don’t find out what changed the water
Carry on, carry on, at least it’s beautiful

There’s squirrels here, and lots of food
The bush is full of flies
but the sun’s not in your eyes
A snake startled Cueball- so round we go
Gotta leave the chirps behind and find the truth
Megan, ooo - (up this high cool wind blows)
Face bug on my face
the river turns into a wowterfall

I see a little silhouette-o of a molpy
“It’s OK”, “It’s OK”, it’s just a little prickly


Stare at sand and water -- never, see these beautiful wings
Look out meowlpy, Look out meowlpy,
Look out meowlpy, Look out meowlpy,
Look out meowlpy, thawapp flee – flag stops the bleeeeed!

Let’s go up the mountain, we’ll be able to see
Put it all in your bag and give your bag to me.
I’ll just step in and help you cross this stream
Stars will come, sun will go – there’s a meteor!
Lord Randall! Lo! They found the beanie men! – Beanie Men!
Lord Randal! Is this their weapon? – Their weapon! [Said Wepp-En for rhyme…?]
Lord Randal! And now we’re out of breath! – Out of breath!
Don’t know what he said! – what he said!
so let’s draw instead! – draw instead!
We’ll take you to our head! -- ooo

go, go, go, go, go, go, go!
Oh Rosetta, Oh Rosetta, Oh Rosetta! Let me know!
We need to know what’s happening with the sea!
the sea!
the sea!!

So you arose here from down in the dessert below
and there are five eight times people at home
The seas joined, and the other sea’s higher
The seas gonna rise – the sea’s gonna rise right up to here

Ooh no, ooh no
We already saved the others
saved them from the sea
But we didn’t know about you
We didn’t know about you, you see

wait for it and who knows


NEAT! :D

(With things developing so dramatically in the OTC, there's less attention than usual being paid to OTT things like OTTifications and cakes. So you might not get as much feedback, but creative contributions are still highly appreciated!)

NetWeasel wrote:Theory:

In the late 21st century, in response to the rising sea level, the Mediterranian countries pool funding for the Locks of Hercules Project -- a dam and locks system to stem the rising seas, and keep the Mediterranian Sea at the same level that it was at yet still maintain a trade route.
(Yes, the sea gets more saline through evaporation, but that is a small price to pay)
The Locks, arguably the 9th wonder of the Modern World, were designed to last at least 10,000 years.

Then Antares went supernova, knocking back technology (somehow), and the locks froze/rusted shut.

9000 years later, this happened. My guess is that the Beanies, inquisitive little chaps that they are, came down with a terminal case of "what does this lever do?" and opened a spillway that they cannot close,..


I find this theory remarkably plausible!

capnbuckle wrote:Have a look at the relevant region in this map (I can't get the image to show up, correctly...so you'll just have to follow the link...)

(And I am at neophyte to the OTT. If there is a better way to do this, let me know and I fix! I fix!)

http://maroonbeard.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/The-Mediterranean-Seafloor-1982.jpg

Looking at the Beanie projection, it looks like the Pretty Neat River is flowing down the deep channel just west of the Maures Escarpment, due west of Corsica, atop the Corso-Ligurian Basin. Cuegan walked quite a ways east along the boundary of that basin before reaching the mouth of the Pretty Neat River. This means that the "Hill People" upriver from them likely live in the Félibres Hills or the La Renaixenca Hills, in the southern vicinity of the Rhône Fan.

Those hills are the problem.

They are significantly elevated from the surrounding terrain, and would be the closest, most obvious "higher ground" upon which the Forty might take refuge. Once those hills are cut off, their fate is sealed without an accomplished seafaring culture...and I don't think there was any talk of sailing vessels or boats of any kind.


Well analyzed. However, if the Beanies are planning on occupying an island castle post-inundation, they must have boats, or at least plans for building them.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby edo » Fri Jul 19, 2013 3:00 pm UTC

wha?ONG
Image
No THE WATER FLOWS, IT WIDENS THE BREACH.
THE BERm IS GIVING WAY.
THE SEA WilX RUSH THROUGH IN A GXXXXXnT. {?Great Torrent?}
THE PlANET'S MIGHTieST RivER wILL ONCE AGAIN COME THundERING DOEN THE MOUNTAINSIDE.
XnE SEA WILL FULL NoT IN YEARS BUT IN DAYS.

She seems to have trouble with future tense. Also, she used a comma, but that might not mean much anymore.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby fhorn » Fri Jul 19, 2013 3:03 pm UTC

such a lazy otter, I'm sitting here Waiting impatiently for someone to decode Rosetta's speech.....
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby b2bomberkrh » Fri Jul 19, 2013 3:04 pm UTC

Likely to be ninja'd but:

As the water flows it widens the breach
The berm is giving way
The sea will rush through in a [great torrent]
The planet's (history's) mightiest river
will once again come thundering down the mountainside
The sea will fill
not in years
but in days

ETA: Whatever they tried to shore it up with appears about to fail catastrophically.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Wildhound » Fri Jul 19, 2013 3:05 pm UTC

edo wrote:wha?ONG
Image


As the water flows it widens the breach.
The berm is giving way.
The sea will rush through in a great torrent.

The planet's mightiest river will once again
come thundering down the mountainside.

The sea will fill
not in years
but in days.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby taixzo » Fri Jul 19, 2013 3:06 pm UTC

Days!!!! How long have they been travelling? The sea could be at the door now!
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Nilpferdschaf » Fri Jul 19, 2013 3:06 pm UTC

Arky wrote:I feel that despite this momentary darkness in the OTC, the 40 will have seen the rising sea in time to embark on a journey away from the sea and we shall sea La Petite again.

I mean, we saw the sea rising while Cueball and Megan were building the sandcastle. It wasn't rising with such speed that the 40 couldn't leave, unless by the time they left they were caught on an island- however, from the journey we know that it really should have been up hill all the way.

I'm sure the hill people will have come into it somehow, though (unlike Cueball and Megan, the rest of the 40 probably had to evacuate straight towards high ground through the hills instead of heading along the shore.

There may be more adventures in store for Cueball and Megan before they can be reunited with their tribe, though.


The problem is that they don't know just how much the water will rise. They will likely head for a local hill or mountain, but even that will be hundreds of meters below sea level. By the time they find out they will be completely surrounded by ocean, on an island that is quickly shrinking. Also, Megan and Cueball have now been walking for multiple days, if not weeks and it will take them the same amount of time to get back. If the sea is rising by 10m/day their original castle will be hundreds of meters under water by the time they get back.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby fhorn » Fri Jul 19, 2013 3:07 pm UTC

fhorn wrote:such a lazy otter, I'm sitting here Waiting impatiently for someone to decode Rosetta's speech.....

b2bomberkrh wrote:Likely to be ninja'd but:

As the water flows it widens the breach
The berm is giving way
The sea will rush through in a [great torrent]
The planet's (history's) mightiest river
will once again come thundering down the mountainside
The sea will fill
not in years
but in days

Thank you! *fortunately, unlike for the OTC, one doesn't have to wait long around here*
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