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Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 2:45 am UTC
by Valarya
ChronosDragon reached 1,000 posts
About fellow OTTers he did boast
But he slipped in a penis
Did everyone see this?
We followed with cakes and a roast.


Image
How freaking perfect it is that this roasted dragon picture I found also contains the number 1,000 in it? Fate, CD. Fate.

ETA:
(lol what a post to pope myself)
Image
Optional Mome Decree:
Continue with the poetry!
I suck at limmericks
and other poem tricks
So I might aim for doubly dactyly's.

Time Machines

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 2:52 am UTC
by Eternal Density
lmjb1964 wrote:
azule wrote:
Eternal Density wrote:I need to slip a if(B==D) into my code.
It's neat how you're ottifying the code of the ottified game. Yes, I picked the dick joke to comment on this, but it's mostly due to the Molpy code. lol.

Ah, that's what that was. I am soooo slow sometimes...

Lonely here. Just me and mrob. ETA And Val. ETA2 And BlitzGirl. And...never mind, I'm off. Happy wipend, all!
Well CD started it :P


An OTTer was recently busted
For stealing a truck full of custard
When the cops caught the perp
He exclaimed: what the chirp?
I thought I was taking the mustard!

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 2:55 am UTC
by ChronosDragon
Hmm, where's Aluisio when you need him? I have need of his input.

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 2:57 am UTC
by BlitzGirl
Valarya wrote:ChronosDragon reached 1,000 posts
About fellow OTTers he did boast
But he slipped in a penis
Did everyone see this?
We followed with cakes and a roast.

I had seen what the sly dragon did
That penis-y word that he hid
If you look back you'll find
I responded in kind
Somewhere in the past-newpage grid

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 3:03 am UTC
by AluisioASG
ChronosDragon wrote:Hmm, where's Aluisio when you need him? I have need of his input.

* aasg@orion says "Hello!"
Sorry. Just came back from updating the system and switching from Opera to Firefox.
Hm. Next time I open Windows I must remember to save those custom CSS somewhere. Maybe I can find the right files on Chromium's profile?
Will be ketchupped in a minute.

My first DD

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 3:05 am UTC
by Eternal Density
Limerick schlimerick
ED doesn't think he can
Write you another one
He's out of hope

So for the first time he
Tried out another form
Unaccidentally
Obeyed the pope

Re: My first DD

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 3:09 am UTC
by ChronosDragon
Eternal Density wrote:Limerick schlimerick
ED doesn't think he can
Write you another one
He's out of hope

So for the first time he
Tried out another form
Unaccidentally
Obeyed the pope


I not sure if you were aware
But the decree was a limerick up there
the first line of the decree
was underlined you see
Which causes confusion somewhere


I retract that which I said previously
I posted the thing far too hastily
for what I'd not seen
was that ED's post had been
a Double Dactyl and not a poem with rhymes free

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 3:30 am UTC
by AluisioASG
Apparently yesterday was People-Eating Day here.
Choose any of the two meanings. You know which one I chose.
* pours wine into a glass (is this how I use that verb?)

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 3:32 am UTC
by intheshax
marchlight wrote:
intheshax wrote:This sandcastle is being attacked by trebuchet from the left and by the encroaching sea from the right. Can you solve the sudoku before it's destroyed?

Rating: Diabolical
Spoiler:
Image

@intheshax That was the hardest sudoku I've ever done. I do a lot of free iphone app sudoku puzzles, but they've never made me go beyond the occasional hidden pair or triplet to solve them. I eventually had to go online and look up sudoku techniques. It got frustrating at times, but I felt so satisfied when I finally finished it. Thanks!


Blindposting from 1435 near the beginning of a seaish ketchup after the first week at the new job. I'm so happy you enjoyed solving it, marchlight! I also learned some new techniques in the last couple of weeks. 3D Medusa? What, are you kidding me? Was that even invented when I took up sudoku a few years ago?

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 3:39 am UTC
by MistyCat
BlindPosting from 535
Cheered by Sigcouragement from AluisioASG, Earthling on Mars and TheMinim

I paused to do mathrec's Sudoku. Awe and Respect.

I saw the birth of another SigQuote.
HAL9000 wrote:Your post receives the HAL9000 seal of approval. It is truly perfect and incapable of error.


Things seem to be quiet.
Users browsing this forum: azule, MistyCat, MSN [Bot] and 10 guests

I've made it to 535/1446
I shall reach the end.

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 3:47 am UTC
by ucim
@BlitzGirl - So sorry you're not feeling well... I give you the same incantation I once offered Valarya: "Sana te, Sana, colita de rana - si no sana hoy, te sana maƱana." I hope the tail of a frog works for you too!

@ChronosDragon - Awesome "You could have stopped it" story!

@Ebonite - Loved the Ballad of the PBA! (I wonder how rhinestone bowling balls would work!)

I'm enjoying those Post-Time Beanie comics! It sure seems to me that those Beanies say the same thing to each other an awful lot! Maybe it's their equivalent of "Yo!"
Spoiler:
and the whole thing is a subliminal ad for a spinning string toy.
Nice one waveny! If I rewrite it substituting "OTT" for "Bern", would that be an ottifottifcation?

@azule - Thanks for the congrats on my fifteenth post. :) I didn't even notice it myself. You know what they say.... "Time flies".
Spoiler:
You can't. They move too fast!
@AluisioASG - Nice YHF song ottie! Never heard of them before!

Kieryn wrote:Also I thought someone might have a go at doing some astronomy on the stars to determine the exact date during the summer of 1994. Nobody did though.
I wonder if the astronomers are still here. Better check the basement!

Awesome time capsule mrob27!

Per the Pope (yeah, it's an old decree, but whatever!):

Whenever the OTT starts to snooze
Somebody calls for the muse.
Then poets all day
take their words out to play
but punners must still pay their dues!

ChronosDragon wrote:People here are amazing. This is, without a doubt, the best internet community I have ever participated in, bar none...
I'll second and third those sentiments. There's a forestful of treeish people here and it's great to be a part of this community!

@svenman - Love the "Ketching up is Hard to Do" ottie! And it's so true! Especially when one reads twice, as I am doing now... first to read it, and second to go back and respond to things. Probably missed a lot I wanted to respond to too! (I sometimes split the reading from the responding because of Outside constraints.)

Valarya wrote:ChronosDragon reached 1,000 posts
About fellow OTTers he did boast
But he slipped in a penis
Did everyone see this?
We followed with cakes and a roast.
How did he ever get inside a penis???

AluisioASG wrote:Apparently yesterday was People-Eating Day here.
Hmmmm.... I'm having second thoughts about visiting Portugal!

Jose

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 3:54 am UTC
by Valarya
BlitzGirl wrote:
Valarya wrote:
Spoiler:
ChronosDragon reached 1,000 posts
About fellow OTTers he did boast
But he slipped in a penis
Did everyone see this?
We followed with cakes and a roast.

I had seen what the sly dragon did
That penis-y word that he hid
If you look back you'll find
I responded in kind
Somewhere in the past-newpage grid


Don't worry BlitzGirl
I definitely noticed
your replying boobs.

:shock:

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 3:55 am UTC
by AluisioASG
ucim wrote:
AluisioASG wrote:Apparently yesterday was People-Eating Day here.

Hmmmm.... I'm having second thoughts about visiting Portugal!

Wrong side of the Atlantic, buddy. I have an aunt living there (but currently visiting us), though.

* goes back to finding an uninitialized value that only Windows and Valgrind complain about

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 3:57 am UTC
by AluisioASG
Also, I hope you've detected the first meaning of that sentence.
About Wilco: I'd never heard of them too, before I met Conet.

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 4:01 am UTC
by Valarya
ucim wrote:I'm enjoying those Post-Time Beanie comics! It sure seems to me that those Beanies say the same thing to each other an awful lot! Maybe it's their equivalent of "Yo!"
Spoiler:
and the whole thing is a subliminal ad for a spinning string toy.
Nice one waveny!

I meant to mention those BeanieONGs. What's happening here? They had a lil bump n grind, went to Rosetta and married, traveled back to their house, stayed in there for 9 months and came out with a couple of little twins dangling by their feet? :shock:

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 4:05 am UTC
by ucim
AluisioASG wrote:Wrong side of the Atlantic, buddy. I have an aunt living there (but currently visiting us), though.
Oh yeah... you're from below the Panama Canal! I knew that once... but it goes to show how much of what I know manages to ooze out of my mind. Maybe I ought to change it! :)

AluisioASG wrote:Also, I hope you've detected the first meaning of that sentence.
I think so, but the second one is more amusing. "It's a one eyed one horned flying purple people eater!"

Jose

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 4:08 am UTC
by k.bookbinder
The OTTers are beat by no one
We write poems and all have good fun
But cookies I bake
Sandcastles I make
My OTTification's not done

I fear that took longer than it should have. Congrats on 1000 ChronosDragon! :mrgreen: You call that doodling? That is one hell of a good doodle, if you ask me. Generally, a doodle for me is little beesnakes in the margins of my notes during boring meetings :oops:

Blitzgirl, feel better! Shall I bring you some tea? Here, enjoy a cup. I hope hot ginger with honey is OK.
Spoiler:
Image

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 4:12 am UTC
by BlitzGirl
Thanks for the tea, k.bookbinder, and the incantation, Jose! :) I'm feeling a lot better todip.

Valarya wrote:
BlitzGirl wrote:
Valarya wrote:
Spoiler:
ChronosDragon reached 1,000 posts
About fellow OTTers he did boast
But he slipped in a penis
Did everyone see this?
We followed with cakes and a roast.

I had seen what the sly dragon did
That penis-y word that he hid
If you look back you'll find
I responded in kind
Somewhere in the past-newpage grid


Don't worry BlitzGirl
I definitely noticed
your replying boobs.

:shock:

Oh good, glad you noticed my fun!
To be fair, I did only post one
I started to guess
What to do with the S
But the compliment by then was done!

Saw loser?

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 4:21 am UTC
by Eternal Density
BlitzGirl wrote:
Valarya wrote:Don't worry BlitzGirl
I definitely noticed
your replying boobs.

:shock:

Oh good, glad you noticed my fun!
To be fair, I did only post one
I started to guess
What to do with the S
But the compliment by then was done!
I did search each post
But I seem to be having
Mammary failure


Also what's all this about people eating-Day?

Edits for SwiftKey Mustard

*Punsaws ED in this post title*

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 4:26 am UTC
by BlitzGirl
Eternal Density wrote:Also what's all this about people eating-Day?

Must be heretical, must be a blip
As all OTTers know, it's not day, it's dip*



*Or xip, or dix, or ni ni ni molpy grapevine beaniebabiesonice...

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 4:30 am UTC
by mscha
RONGER...
Image

-- posted by newpixbot

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 4:33 am UTC
by BlitzGirl
Holy ch*rp, them Beanies have a super-speedy life cycle!

Ch*rping and birthing and then you toss them out
To fend for themselves and just molpy about

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 4:39 am UTC
by AluisioASG
Because you are all posting nasty things:
Spoiler:

Code: Select all

Appending cache entry for 458754 after 7864350
*** Error in `./a.out': double free or corruption (fasttop): 0x0000000002348c00 ***
======= Backtrace: =========
/usr/lib/libc.so.6(+0x72ecf)[0x7fd4be499ecf]
/usr/lib/libc.so.6(+0x7869e)[0x7fd4be49f69e]
/usr/lib/libc.so.6(+0x79377)[0x7fd4be4a0377]
/usr/lib/libc.so.6(+0x37ea9)[0x7fd4be45eea9]
/usr/lib/libc.so.6(+0x37ef5)[0x7fd4be45eef5]
/usr/lib/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0xfc)[0x7fd4be448bcc]
./a.out[0x40089d]
======= Memory map: ========
00400000-00402000 r-xp 00000000 00:1f 17340                              /tmp/memento/a.out
00601000-00602000 r--p 00001000 00:1f 17340                              /tmp/memento/a.out
00602000-00603000 rw-p 00002000 00:1f 17340                              /tmp/memento/a.out
02347000-02368000 rw-p 00000000 00:00 0                                  [heap]
7fd4be211000-7fd4be226000 r-xp 00000000 00:0f 851335                     /usr/lib/libgcc_s.so.1
7fd4be226000-7fd4be426000 ---p 00015000 00:0f 851335                     /usr/lib/libgcc_s.so.1
7fd4be426000-7fd4be427000 rw-p 00015000 00:0f 851335                     /usr/lib/libgcc_s.so.1
7fd4be427000-7fd4be5c8000 r-xp 00000000 00:0f 909097                     /usr/lib/libc-2.18.so
7fd4be5c8000-7fd4be7c7000 ---p 001a1000 00:0f 909097                     /usr/lib/libc-2.18.so
7fd4be7c7000-7fd4be7cb000 r--p 001a0000 00:0f 909097                     /usr/lib/libc-2.18.so
7fd4be7cb000-7fd4be7cd000 rw-p 001a4000 00:0f 909097                     /usr/lib/libc-2.18.so
7fd4be7cd000-7fd4be7d1000 rw-p 00000000 00:00 0
7fd4be7d1000-7fd4be7e6000 r-xp 00000000 00:0f 600211                     /usr/lib/libz.so.1.2.8
7fd4be7e6000-7fd4be9e5000 ---p 00015000 00:0f 600211                     /usr/lib/libz.so.1.2.8
7fd4be9e5000-7fd4be9e6000 r--p 00014000 00:0f 600211                     /usr/lib/libz.so.1.2.8
7fd4be9e6000-7fd4be9e7000 rw-p 00015000 00:0f 600211                     /usr/lib/libz.so.1.2.8
7fd4be9e7000-7fd4bea07000 r-xp 00000000 00:0f 909084                     /usr/lib/ld-2.18.so
7fd4bebf2000-7fd4bebf6000 rw-p 00000000 00:00 0
7fd4bec04000-7fd4bec06000 rw-p 00000000 00:00 0
7fd4bec06000-7fd4bec07000 r--p 0001f000 00:0f 909084                     /usr/lib/ld-2.18.so
7fd4bec07000-7fd4bec08000 rw-p 00020000 00:0f 909084                     /usr/lib/ld-2.18.so
7fd4bec08000-7fd4bec09000 rw-p 00000000 00:00 0
7fff3a367000-7fff3a388000 rw-p 00000000 00:00 0                          [stack]
7fff3a3d6000-7fff3a3d8000 r-xp 00000000 00:00 0                          [vdso]
ffffffffff600000-ffffffffff601000 r-xp 00000000 00:00 0                  [vsyscall]
[1]    4294 abort (core dumped)  ./a.out

Ouch!

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 4:42 am UTC
by Eternal Density
BlitzGirl wrote:
Eternal Density wrote:Also what's all this about people eating-Day?

Must be heretical, must be a blip
As all OTTers know, it's not day, it's dip*



*Or xip, or dix, or ni ni ni molpy grapevine beaniebabiesonice...
Does that include Felicia Dip?

*brandishes punsaw*

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 4:47 am UTC
by BlitzGirl
Eternal Density wrote:
BlitzGirl wrote:
Eternal Density wrote:Also what's all this about people eating-Day?

Must be heretical, must be a blip
As all OTTers know, it's not day, it's dip*



*Or xip, or dix, or ni ni ni molpy grapevine beaniebabiesonice...

Does that include Felicia Dip?

Yes. Or else she's heretical.

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 5:19 am UTC
by ChronosDragon
k.bookbinder wrote:I fear that took longer than it should have. Congrats on 1000 ChronosDragon! :mrgreen: You call that doodling? That is one hell of a good doodle, if you ask me. Generally, a doodle for me is little beesnakes in the margins of my notes during boring meetings :oops:


Well, let's be honest, I was being facetious when I said that. It's actually the result of an hour or so of sketching on paper, and a couple hours in photoshop. My doodles are nowhere near as nice...

Spoiler:
Image

Doodled on my Calc syllabus while the teacher was going over it...

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 5:31 am UTC
by k.bookbinder
Well, I have been thinking about this, so here it goes:

"Sympathy for the OTTer" with sincerest apologies to the Rolling Stones.
Please allow me to introduce myself
I write posts with wit and taste
I've been around for a long longpix
Ninja'd many others ONG and faith
Spoiler:
And I was 'round when Goggalor
Had his moment of doubt and pain
Made damn sure that pixel
Darkened and changed the frame

Pleased to meet you
Hope you guess my name
But what's puzzling you
Is my chosen favorite frame

I stuck 'round the needle-pulled thing
Buffygirl opened her dashery
Elected the pope and xis cardinals
Newedge and Swey screamed in vain
I made a pun
About Chekhov's gun
When the Blitzgirl raged
And the chainsaw raved

Pleased to meet you
Hope you guessed my name
Ah, what's puzzling you
Is my chosen favorite frame

I read with glee
All the OTTities
D-Dactyl Poems
About hedgemolpies
I shouted out
"Who made all these OTTities"
When after all
It was you and me
Let me please introduce myself
I post poetry and cupcakes
And I laid traps for the page pope
Who gets ninja'd before the newpage

Pleased to meet you
Hope you guessed my name, oh yeah
But what's puzzling you
Is my chosen favorite frame

Pleased to meet you
Hope you guessed my name, oh yeah
But what's confusing you
Is my chosen favorite frame

Just as every beesnake zips by
And all the raptors fly
As heads is tails
Just call me Mr. Lucky
Cause I have need for Panther Salve
So if you meet me
Have some courtesy
Have some sympathy, and some taste
Always be polite on the OTT
or I'll lay your cakes to waste

Pleased to meet you
Hope you guessed my name
But what's puzzling you
Is my chosen favorite frame

<insert extended whoo hoo-ing and guitar playing until the end of song>


Oh dear. I'm sure there is mustard in there :oops: I have been thinking it would make a good OTTification, and decided to give it a try. So there you have it.

@ChronosDragon Yeah, that "doodle" still beats my in-the-margin flutterbees by a long trebuchet shot :lol:

Now, as it is late, I must coma. Keep the faith and OTTify it!

OTTify it...
OTTify it...
Whoo hoo...
Hope you guess my name...
Whoo hoo...

Molpy down!
Spoiler:
Image

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 5:42 am UTC
by Tatiana
HES wrote:
Tatiana wrote:Here's a picture of fuel being loaded into one of our reactors that you might like. I think it's beautiful.
Spoiler:
Image

You're right, it is. You say "our" reactors - sounds like you have a pretty neat job.


I was instrumentation and control engineer and project manager for commercial nuke plants before I retired. *I* thought it was fun.

Irxkgxkgkgkzkkfkfzg

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 6:24 am UTC
by Eternal Density
k.bookbinder wrote:Well, I have been thinking about this, so here it goes:

"Sympathy for the OTTer"
...
Molpy down!
Spoiler:
Image
Treeish! It's funny that I only know that song because of Stargate Atlantis: Vegas.
Tatiana wrote:I was instrumentation and control engineer and project manager for commercial nuke plants before I retired. *I* thought it was fun.

Baobabish!

ETA bought my 5th flag!

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 7:29 am UTC
by ChronosDragon
Eternal Density wrote:
ETA bought my 5th flag!


Wow, I don't even have my first flag yet. 6 cuegans, 15 buckets, 9 newpixbots and 3 trebuchets, though. Oh, and I think newpixbot is incorrectly displaying the "ninja'd" indicator, its there even when I haven't clicked in many newpix.

ETA: Molpying down, now. I need to ketchup on some lost coma time (a couple hours each night accumulates over the week...)

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 7:42 am UTC
by AluisioASG
I guess I'm molpying down too, while the memento function works perfectly (it even has an optimizing cache!).
Good morning.
Spoiler:
Image


PS. I guess there are birds chirping nearby. It's 4.40AM. It's pure darkness outside.

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 7:44 am UTC
by TheMinim
AluisioASG wrote:I guess I'm molpying down too, while the memento function works perfectly (it even has an optimizing cache!).
Good morning.
Spoiler:
Image


PS. I guess there are birds chirping nearby. It's 4.40AM. It's pure darkness outside.


It's 8:44AM where I am, or so my computer is telling me. Morning to you! :D

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 7:48 am UTC
by BlitzGirl
Awesomeful ottification, k.bookbinder! Loved the lyrics.
And I'm glad to see I'm not the only one with a habit of sketching on syllabi, ChronosDragon :wink: Treeish!

In the Builder, I have of the tools all but one:
The ladder, which I shall get in the long run!

Bugs Molpy

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 7:50 am UTC
by Eternal Density
ChronosDragon wrote:
Eternal Density wrote:
ETA bought my 5th flag!


Wow, I don't even have my first flag yet. 6 cuegans, 15 buckets, 9 newpixbots and 3 trebuchets, though. Oh, and I think newpixbot is incorrectly displaying the "ninja'd" indicator, its there even when I haven't clicked in many newpix.

ETA: Molpying down, now. I need to ketchup on some lost coma time (a couple hours each night accumulates over the week...)

Yeah I mentioned an issue with that. Try putting your mouse over Newpixbot to display the description and I think it should clear it.

A more annoying bug I just found by accidentally loading instead of saving: if you save when Newpixbots are counting down and load after the time they would activate, they don't activate. I just lost 9 castles because of that. I believe I know how to fix that, but in the meantime try to avoid that.

Ninja edit: 10 to 6pm here so voting (Australian federal election ) will close soon.
Ditto : BlitzGirl, get 2 ladders :D

Re: Bugs Molpy

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 7:56 am UTC
by BlitzGirl
Eternal Density wrote:Ditto : BlitzGirl, get 2 ladders :D

:D Indeed! But right now I've one wave and one flag
Before I ladder up I need more in the bag!

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 7:57 am UTC
by TheMinim
5 Newpixbots,
A Cuegan and a flag,
9 buckets for sand,
and 2 trebuchets to drag!

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 8:26 am UTC
by BlitzGirl
...And a raptorcat in a wowtree! :D


(...how the ch*rp did it get there? I am now reviewing...
But the wowtrees are seaish and know what they're doing.)

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 8:30 am UTC
by mscha
PHRASEMONGERS...
Image

-- posted by newpixbot

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 8:36 am UTC
by BlitzGirl
*nature documentary voice* The mutant Beanie Babies have learned quickly, and under the watchful eye of Beanie-spawn caretaker Expando, are set free in the garden to roam. Soon they shall be advanced enough to construct a detailed replica of the Castle d'If in the semencancercoffeegardendirt. Let's watch.

Re: 1190: "Time"

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 9:02 am UTC
by balthasar_s
Looks like someone wants to be the pope very much:

Here, that's for you: your pope hat
Image
Spoiler:
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