1190: "Time"

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby lmjb1964 » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:49 pm UTC

The Outside has been unexpectedly strong, but I wanted to stop in and say hello. So, hello!

But I am not in the Basement, which is good, because it looks like a scary place.

Ch*rp, I'm Pope. Um, post about scary things? Or basements?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Pfhorrest » Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:02 pm UTC

Nobody has basements here in California. I wish I had a basement. So much room for activities.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby addams » Thu Sep 21, 2017 3:16 am UTC

Jose was so restrained as he did what storms do.
Jose? Did you have influence on your namesake?

Following the decree of the day:
Maria!! She has been very scary.

"The Sea is Big and does what it wants."
Spoiler:
I don't, really, understand those words.
I feel like a child listening to adults.

The adults seem to be sober and take it seriously.
So; I will try to be stoic and take it seriously.

This is a serious year for people near the sea.
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Postby Pfhorrest » Thu Sep 21, 2017 4:45 am UTC

Super-QONG!

That's one saga complete, two more series to go.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ucim » Thu Sep 21, 2017 5:12 am UTC

addams wrote:"The Sea is Big and does what it wants."

I don't, really, understand those words.
From the wiki, here's the dialog page:

http://xkcd-time.wikia.com/wiki/Dialogue_from_the_Comic

The two relevant newpix:

http://xkcd.mscha.org/viewer/563

http://xkcd.mscha.org/viewer/833

Back in the Dix of Time, religions grew up around Holy Words like these. But if you follow Acts of the Clerics, wait for it. :)

But the sea really is big. It must know what it's doing.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby addams » Thu Sep 21, 2017 5:36 am UTC

Thank you, Jose.

(wistful sigh) .....
That was such a long Time ago.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Eternal Density » Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:37 am UTC

I was inexplicably logged out of the fora and I'm seeing a 'connection not secure' warning in my browser due to a lack of https. Any idea why this is?
Didn't we have https before?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby balthasar_s » Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:46 am UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby svenman » Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:08 am UTC

Here in Germany houses almost always have basements. In old houses they are invariably musty and moldy. Our forefathers, who did not have refrigerators, preferred a cool and slightly damp environment for the storage of various kinds of food.

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FTH: Unless they make everyone sign up at exactly the same time...
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ZoomanSP » Thu Sep 21, 2017 9:17 am UTC

svenman wrote:
Spoiler:
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You can acomplish everything through the internet."
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FTH: They like redundancy...
B: There is one thing they did right. Signing up for things.
FTH: Unless they make everyone sign up at exactly the same time...
What's our plan now?

Yeah, what's your plan?

Is there even a plan?

Yeah. But that's what the first part of making a plan looks like.
Wait on.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby addams » Thu Sep 21, 2017 9:27 am UTC

Ha! Ha! Zooman!
You are funny.

I think I 'Get It'.
Life is, just, an exchange of electrons; It is up to us to give it meaning.

We are all in The Gutter.
Some of us see The Gutter.
Some of us see The Stars.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby addams » Thu Sep 21, 2017 3:08 pm UTC

oh, Laura Mae; When the OutSide lets you have some Time to yourself,
Please, come back with stories for us.
Eternal Density wrote:I was inexplicably logged out of the fora and I'm seeing a 'connection not secure' warning in my browser due to a lack of https. Any idea why this is?
Didn't we have https before?
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Gee...Maybe, someone is fighting off Hackers for us.

Sense I have been back treading the halls of this forum,
I have had problems with 'Lock-Up'. So far, I can fix it.

That is a scary thing.
I am helpless against Hackers.

oh, oh. Here is another scary thing.

It was warm enough on the Coast
to ripen tomatoes. Very Unusual!
Spoiler:
This year's harvest.Image Tomatoes that look like flowers.
I was really very pleased.
They were sweet with lots of meat.

Chattering On and On.
Spoiler:
One more thing.
Not scary at all.

My HummingBird has a friend!
Now, there are two little birds.

And; There has been enough rain to really slow down the fires.

Fire Season may be over for this year.
(I may hear a collective sigh of relief.)
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby thunk » Fri Sep 22, 2017 4:06 pm UTC

My previous location was a cold-winter environment with a deep frost line, hence most houses had basements.
Now I live in a place without them, which may explain the large market for storm shelters around here.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby addams » Fri Sep 22, 2017 4:23 pm UTC

thunk wrote:My previous location was a cold-winter environment with a deep frost line, hence most houses had basements.
Now I live in a place without them, which may explain the large market for storm shelters around here.
ok...
I give up.
Where in The World are you?

If you are a private person you can tell us longitude and land mass.
I, just, can't imagine...We don't have deep frost nor storm shelters.

Kansas!
Are you in Kansas?

Like Dorthy?
She had a storm shelter.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby lmjb1964 » Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:41 pm UTC

GnomeAnne wrote:New OtherComic.

But not the One True Thread, surely.

I know, I know, don't call you Shirley.

Somewhere the word "ineffable" came up, and I was reminded of a discussion, way back in Time. Someone described something that GLR did as "ineffable," and since we were all confused about what was happening in Time, someone else said it was "in-what-the effable." That lead me to thinking (sometimes a dangerous thing), that you hear the word ineffable, but you don't really hear the word effable. And that led me to think about the fact that nowadips, if someone heard you say someone was "effable," they would have a very different idea about what you meant. :twisted:

Oh, for decree, hm. It's sometimes scary the random railcastles of thought that fill my head. Also, I grew up with basements, and now live in California where there are none. Like Pfhorrest said, I miss having a basement.

In other news, I will be having a most blessed audience with our Pope of the Holy Contradiction. It will involve the First Commandment for both of us, I think--him waiting for me to arrive, and me waiting for traffic to move. :( But I am Waiting for It eagerly nonetheless.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby SBN » Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:49 pm UTC

addams wrote:It was warm enough on the Coast
to ripen tomatoes. Very Unusual! ...
They were sweet with lots of meat.


Funny story: When TGWFP was a teenager, she decided she was going to be a vegetarian. One time, we were out and about and needed to get lunch at a deli. She found a tomato sandwich that was acceptable. Then she noticed that it was "Beefsteak Tomato" I did manage to convince her that there was no steak in the tomato.

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1190: Time: I MADE YOU A GLIE, BUT I FOREGOATED IT

Postby mrob27 » Fri Sep 22, 2017 10:05 pm UTC

addams wrote:I give up. Where in The World are you? If you are a private person you can tell us longitude and land mass.

By longitude I imagine you mean latitude. Neither longitude nor latitude would answer the question, rather it would give unrelated information that would let you greatly reduce the uncertainty in @thunk's former and present positions. But you could get to the point by asking about mean high and low temperatures during the coldest month.
 In this map of the U.S. the no-Basement locations are south of the 10" line, and the Basement-almost-always locations are around the 20" and 25" lines.
 (plenty of explanation about why is here and also here)
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby addams » Sat Sep 23, 2017 12:44 am UTC

You are absolutely correct.
I meant and should have typed latitude.
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1190: Time: I AM HES, HEAR ME POST

Postby mrob27 » Sat Sep 23, 2017 4:06 am UTC

I apologise for being rude and patronising. Re-reading my post, it looks like I was being really nasty. By Randall, I was tired.
 I also should have mentioned that the "storm shelter" part of @thunk's comment suggests a location that has tornadoes or tropical cyclones (also called hurricanes or typhoons). There are a several U.S. states on the map south of the 10" line that would qualify.
 The frost line depths closely correspond to mean temperatures during the coldest month. Here is a world map. But I don't know if there are other countries that use monolithic foundations the way they do in the U.S.
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Re: 1190: "Tim"

Postby GnomeAnne » Sat Sep 23, 2017 4:32 am UTC

lmjb1964 wrote:But not the One True Thread, surely.

I know, I know, don't call you Shirley.
...
In other news, I will be having a most blessed audience with our Pope of the Holy Contradiction. It will involve the First Commandment for both of us, I think--him waiting for me to arrive, and me waiting for traffic to move. :( But I am Waiting for It eagerly nonetheless.

In reverse order, then:
That sounds like a lot of fun aside from the traffic.

I mean, I called myself Anne, so Shirley isn't too far out of the way.

I invite you to take a look at the title of my previous post.

mrob27 wrote:I apologise for being rude and patronising. Re-reading my post, it looks like I was being really nasty. By Randall, I was tired.

Maybe I'm missing something.
That didn't seem nasty at all, and only vaguely patronising.

The town I live in was built in a flood plain, so most of the the basements are only half buried, and they tend to have low ceilings. Even so, people with finished basements have to replace their carpeting and drywall every few years when they fill with water.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby addams » Sat Sep 23, 2017 4:40 am UTC

Oh, Dear! mrob; I was not offended!
I was busy reading your links and thinking.

Chattering...
Spoiler:
I was thinking about the cold.
Cold that can reach four feet into the Earth!

...It was unusually cold here last year.
The soil in my flower pots was like rock.

That kind of cold frightens me.
I was wondering about buildings heaving Up out of the ground.

The basements act like anchors?
Is that the point you are pointing out?

Oh! Yes.
Tornado Alley.
Thunk must live in Tornado Alley.

Everyplace has its Natural Disasters.

Here, we chat about our Tsunami routes.
I live at about 15 feet above sea level.

I moved out of the forest.
There I was at 500 feet.
What Natural Disaster Threat do you live with?
Earthquake, Hurricane, SandStorm, Fire?

Hi! GnomeAnne!
You get Tornados and Wet Carpet.

That is steady work for people that work on buildings.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby taixzo » Sat Sep 23, 2017 4:46 am UTC

Considering tornadoes are formed by rising hot air; would tornadoes have been prevalent in a future sunken mediterranean basin? ("Would have been"? I'm never sure how to conjugate words when talking about a hypothetical future past.)
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby thunk » Sat Sep 23, 2017 5:03 am UTC

taixzo wrote:Considering tornadoes are formed by rising hot air; would tornadoes have been prevalent in a future sunken mediterranean basin? ("Would have been"? I'm never sure how to conjugate words when talking about a hypothetical future past.)


Well...not really I don't think? While convective initiation of severe weather does tend to result from instability of air masses (and by extension, large vertical temperature gradients), factors in deep desert basins aren't usually the most tornado-conducive. First of all there would be a lot of subsidence (in this case down to the 1300 hPa level), which 1)tends to dry air masses substantially, and b)make them more stable as the moist-adiabatic temperature gradient is less than the dry-adiabatic one (and they're vertically compressed, lowering the lapse rate still further).
Second, the dry conditions at the bottom of the Mediterranean basin and again, the subsidence would make the lifted condensation level, and thus the cloud base very high. This is the opposite of conditions in which tornadoes form; it's really closer to dry-microburst conditions, if anything.
Third, supercellular tornadoes also require substantial wind shear, which is caused by variations in the jet stream and extratropical cyclones. Most of these tend to pass north of the area, but plenty of tornadoes have been recorded in Italy, so I guess that last factor is possible.

In short, probably not, though I don't think any numerical simulations or detailed research have been done.
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Re: bsta: "Ong"

Postby GnomeAnne » Sat Sep 23, 2017 5:05 am UTC

...
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B: You can print whatever you need at my place.
Then you're free to go to the city.
FTH: What about you?
B: I was planning to walk around here and see some
But now it makes sense to return home with you.
FTH: I don't feel good about interrupting you here.
B: In that case, ...
I can give you the key. What do you think?
FTH: Seems ok.
B: So you two can...
KXA: No.
B: Wh?


???

No?
Is KxA uncomfortable taking his key, or does she just want to hang out here for now and look for the object generator?

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby thunk » Sat Sep 23, 2017 5:50 am UTC

Hi GnomeAnne.

Following up on my previous comment, Murphy et al., 2009 suggest that the dry Mediterranean during the Messinian pushed the jet stream further to the south due to orographic effects, which probably negates point 3. There was also a substantial amount of ascent at the north side of the basin and consequent increased precipitation (also found in the paleoclimate proxies from the time), so I can definitely see convective initiation and tornadic thunderstorms in Beanie-land, though likely not in the basin itself.

As Murphy notes, surface temperature increases would be less than that naively assumed from the lapse rate above, as the surface energy flux is constant. There's still a modelled 10-15 C increase though. Speranza et al. 2013 suggest lower SSTs during the dessicated stage similar to today's values, likely because that was in the middle of a glacial period, not likely to be present in 13 ka from now in the Time Universe.

Incidentally, Lazar et al. 2012 also suggest 'massive gas escapes' from the basin while its sea level was low, leading to 'giant pockmarks' at the surface resulting from destablization of gas deposits. I'd love to see the cueganites make a note of that.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ucim » Sat Sep 23, 2017 6:35 am UTC

addams wrote:Jose was so restrained as he did what storms do.
Jose? Did you have influence on your namesake?
I danced with Maria, hoping to keep her on the ballroom floor rather than heading for the shoreline. Dunno how well I succeeded; hurricanes are made of the sea.

lmjb1964 wrote:In other news, I will be having a most blessed audience with our Pope of the Holy Contradiction.
Waiting for it has its awesomeful rewards! I would love to report that, indeed, an Agent of R.A.Z.O.R. gave the proper countersign when presented with the appropriate code phrase, and that wingish and trancendental audience was had. But since there's no such thing as R.A.Z.O.R., such a meeting could not possibly have happened. Which is a Holy Contradiction, whose implications are well known. It would even be possible that there was a third person involved, occasionally wielding devices of organized light, were there such an organization having such a meeting. If the First Commandment is followed, organized light might hit organized sand, proving that no such meeting ever took place, and that no such organization even exists, and no insect of the sixth heretical month is a member.

It was glorious. You know what to do. :)

SBN wrote:Then she noticed that it was "Beefsteak Tomato" I did manage to convince her that there was no steak in the tomato.
I'm still not sure whether a "chicken steak" is a steak or a chicken. Or an inorganic non-meat food product item.

GnomeAnne wrote:That sounds like a lot of fun aside from the traffic.
Actually traffic was molpish, at least on my end. Finding parking was mustardy. Finding each other was marvelous!

Wait a minute... none of this ever happened. There's no such thing as R.A.Z.O.R.! Nothing to see here. These are not the gnomes you are looking for. Move along...

GnomeAnne wrote:I mean, I called myself Anne, so Shirley isn't too far out of the way.
Shirley you're Anne?

addams wrote:Oh! Yes.
Tornado Alley.
Thinking of a prior post of yours, I read this as "Tomato Alley".

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Can I print twenty-dollar bills?

thunk wrote:Incidentally, Lazar et al. 2012 also suggest 'massive gas escapes' from the basin while its sea level was low, leading to 'giant pockmarks' at the surface resulting from destablization of gas deposits. I'd love to see the cueganites make a note of that.
It would be a low D-flat, I'd say. :)

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Re: 1190: "Graveyard Time"

Postby Eternal Density » Sat Sep 23, 2017 10:59 am UTC

I detected some redundancy which has been detected by yours truly: https://mobile.twitter.com/RoboRosewate ... 0546683904

Redundant:
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Re: bsta: "Ong"

Postby balthasar_s » Sat Sep 23, 2017 6:15 pm UTC

GnomeAnne wrote:Is KxA uncomfortable taking his key, or does she just want to hang out here for now and look for the object generator?
From what you know about her so fat - whad do you think is more likely?

Also, some of the recent frames contain some information about her.
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1190: Time: MRORL IS SERIOUS MOLPY

Postby mrob27 » Sat Sep 23, 2017 9:42 pm UTC

@addams, I'm relieved to know that it didn't offend you (but I had to ask, because I like to err on the side of don't worry, feed squirpies)
 Fun fact: If you live in a place that has deep ground freezes (and thus, house with a basement) and if you also have flooding (like @GnomeAnne mentioned), and if you logically decide to try to waterseal the basement somehow, the foundation must be mechanically anchored (e.g. with protruding horizontal extensions well below ground level). Why? Because your basement might act like a boat and float on the water table, lifting your entire house up!
Tony Bryan wrote:The high groundwater level […] induces bouyancy in the basement. While this buoyancy may be overcome by the full weight of the finished building, a partially constructed building may not be of sufficient weight, so the basement may float upwards.
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TL;DR: In Zanclean times, a Basement makes your home into a Raftcastle!

taixzo wrote:Considering tornadoes are formed by rising hot air; would tornadoes have been prevalent in a future sunken mediterranean basin? ("Would have been"? I'm never sure how to conjugate words when talking about a hypothetical future past.)

I think it's "willen-haven-been prevalent." :D (That link is to a post by @Mycroft_147, see also mrob27; based on the tense system in the book Restaurant at the End of the Universe where Adams introduces the Time-travel technology that makes that titular eatery possible.)

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby addams » Sat Sep 23, 2017 10:56 pm UTC

SBN; I love your stories.
SBN wrote:Then she noticed that it was "Beefsteak Tomato" I did manage to convince her that there was no steak in the tomato.
That one stayed with me.
It made me chuckle as I watered.

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Was East Indian Food involved?
That seems to be Traditional.

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ucim » Sun Sep 24, 2017 12:08 am UTC

addams wrote:Was East Indian Food involved?
Not unless Vietnam is a part of East India. :) And of course June Bug wins the prize - as a steadfast and stalwart agent of RAZOR it is obviously part of her mission to get to know as many OTTers as she can, to ensure that... wait a minute - there's no such thing as RAZOR. That meeting never happened. You are not reading this post. In fact this post doesn't exist.

The food was delicious though, and the company was quite molpish!

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby addams » Sun Sep 24, 2017 12:43 am UTC

Yum-Yum...
Now; I am hungry.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ucim » Sun Sep 24, 2017 4:21 pm UTC

Kieryn's back! Or at least his penguins are! Still eleven days of waiting for it, but the sitemustard has been vanquished.

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Re: 1190: "RUN Time"

Postby Eternal Density » Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:06 am UTC

Yay I finally got around to subscribing to Loading Ready Run(!)'s Twitch channel. I made this happen! https://clips.twitch.tv/NaiveSweetDogePraiseIt
Making someone get my username wrong is a brick joke that's been hanging in the air for at least a decade. I did of course choose it as a reference to George McFly saying density instead of destiny in Back to the Future, so it's by design.
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