1190: "Time"

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby slinches » Fri Sep 19, 2014 5:44 am UTC

Cloudy_the_Conqueror wrote:So, what do you do in your free Time?

I OTTify!

"OTT Will be There"
(based on I Will be There by Dan Seals)

We have known each other for so long
We are almost like one
And the ties of our thread are so strong
They could never be undone

But if you should get basemented
Just remember where ever you go

[Chorus:]
In every post on BookFace
All through Time, and in space
OTT will be there
Like a light in the dark
When you look in your tab bar
You'll stop and stare
And OTT will be there

There are times when you may get lonely
Feeling lost on your own
But if there's one thing this thread has shown me
We are never alone
And no matter how far away you are
Molpies follow you

[Chorus]

On a cold night, in the starlight
When you're dreamin', and when you rise in the sunrise
Baobaby, I swear OTT will be there
Cause no matter how far away you are
Molpies follow you

[Chorus]

OTT will be there, any time, OTT will be there

On a cold night, in the starlight and when you rise, in the sunrise
Baobaby OTT will be there



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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby BlitzGirl » Fri Sep 19, 2014 6:16 am UTC

I ottify too!

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Postby Eternal Density » Fri Sep 19, 2014 6:22 am UTC

Treeish and steakish, BlitzGirl!
In my free time, I do all the things I should have been doing in my non-free time but didn't because I was procrastinating.
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I guess all my time is free since no one is paying me.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Neil_Boekend » Fri Sep 19, 2014 6:26 am UTC

In my free time I do whatever I want to do (providing it doesn't bother other people). That includes bicycling, walking, drinking with friends, murder sprees and watching series.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby BlitzGirl » Fri Sep 19, 2014 7:06 am UTC

Thanks, ED. Awesomeful ottification, pagepope slinches! :D
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby HES » Fri Sep 19, 2014 7:58 am UTC

I thought Time was all free? Or did I miss an invoice?
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Neil_Boekend » Fri Sep 19, 2014 9:09 am UTC

HES wrote:I thought Time was all free? Or did I miss an invoice?

You aren't paying for it? You lucky molpy.

Of course, according to micro economic theory there is an opportunity cost to be paid for everything. As in the money you could have made in the time spend. IMHO it's an incomplete way of looking at stuff.

If you would get $50 an hour for overtime but you spend the time on drinking with your friends then you effectively spend $50 an hour on drinking with your friends (+ the cost of the beers and the taxi home.)
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby azule » Fri Sep 19, 2014 9:26 am UTC

Nice OTTy, slinches!

BG, also nice!

ED wrote:OTToMeme bug report: Um, this isn't BBCode... quite.
Alas, I knew about this, fixed it, then sat on the update. This should be pushed by the time I post this. Sorry for exposing something I could have caught before y'all did. *shamed*

ED wrote:Also, although the spoiler button works, I get these errors:
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Uncaught NoModificationAllowedError: Failed to set the 'innerText' property on 'HTMLElement': The 'input' element does not support text insertion. index.js:961
Uncaught NoModificationAllowedError: Failed to set the 'innerText' property on 'HTMLElement': The 'input' element does not support text insertion.
Thanks for posting that. That appears to be caused by
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which is assigned on both sides of the toggle. In other words, it's useless. It's from the original spoiler tag code. It doesn't report an error on my Firefox. That will be removed on next push.

OTToMeme updates:
  • Added special meme, dip. (there's an error where it sometimes becomes part of a supertemplate. can't find the bug just yet, but oh well.)
  • Memes added (heretical): lousyshirt, rejectreality
  • My heretical memes: noxharmed
  • Added some vocab.
  • Changes made to error meme (the error text shown when a meme goes awry).
  • BBCode: I forgot to align spoiler bbcode; xkcd1393 now more bbcodey.
  • Changed how some replacements were done. This should reduce the instances of junk being displayed.
  • Other small fixes.
  • Source code available at github for those interested, such as mrob. I'm still adding comments in.

Hopefully no more stupid errors. Until next time!
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby balthasar_s » Fri Sep 19, 2014 9:40 am UTC

azule wrote:...
Hopefully no more stupid errors. Until next time!

Aftertimeframes are incorrectly linked.
Instead of http://xkcd.mscha.org/otcstories/t1i/t1i-0416.png there should be http://xkcd.mscha.org/otcstories/t1i-0416.png
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Postby lmjb1964 » Fri Sep 19, 2014 10:00 am UTC

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Postby Eternal Density » Fri Sep 19, 2014 10:28 am UTC

I'm strongly tempted to make CueMegAll support processing of arbitrary text sent to it (returning either html or BBCode) and then make myself a CueMegAllify script to apply it to the entire internets... (Or at least some of the word filters and the hyphen shifting.) But that's a lot of work for something silly and of little use and I have so much other stuff I want to do, and so much other stuff I ought to do.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby SBN » Fri Sep 19, 2014 11:51 am UTC

Cloudy_the_Conqueror wrote:So, what do you do in your free Time?

In my truly free time, I go to the wolpy park, or take my wolpies on some other adventure. Besides that I seem to clean up m*stard. Last night's version is a flat tire on my daughter's car. Not sure yet if it just needs fixed, or if a new tire is needed. (And if one is, do I need two? Hopefully, not four.) And I'm still working on my Zanclean project. Oh, and looking for a wolpy-food funding source.

But mostly, I hang out here and enjoy what everyone posts.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby karhell » Fri Sep 19, 2014 12:34 pm UTC

SBN wrote:
Cloudy_the_Conqueror wrote:So, what do you do in your free Time?

In my truly free time, I go to the wolpy park, or take my wolpies on some other adventure. Besides that I seem to clean up m*stard. Last night's version is a flat tire on my daughter's car. Not sure yet if it just needs fixed, or if a new tire is needed. (And if one is, do I need two? Hopefully, not four.) And I'm still working on my Zanclean project. Oh, and looking for a wolpy-food funding source.

But mostly, I hang out here and enjoy what everyone posts.

Good luck with your zanclean project.
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Postby ergman » Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:06 pm UTC

I spend my free time petitioning for the release of Time from captivity.

not really. I mostly play video games and hang around and create silly things.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby Neil_Boekend » Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:42 pm UTC

SBN wrote:Besides that I seem to clean up m*stard. Last night's version is a flat tire on my daughter's car. Not sure yet if it just needs fixed, or if a new tire is needed. (And if one is, do I need two? Hopefully, not four.) .

Did the tire encounter some clearly organised sand?
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Postby lmjb1964 » Fri Sep 19, 2014 4:00 pm UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby SBN » Fri Sep 19, 2014 4:11 pm UTC

Neil_Boekend wrote:
SBN wrote:Besides that I seem to clean up m*stard. Last night's version is a flat tire on my daughter's car. Not sure yet if it just needs fixed, or if a new tire is needed. (And if one is, do I need two? Hopefully, not four.) .

Did the tire encounter some clearly organised sand?

Seems to have encountered a tiny metal thwap-stick. We replaced 2, it does need 2 more new ones before too long. Just because it is time for them, not because of the flat.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby HES » Fri Sep 19, 2014 5:09 pm UTC

I've done plenty of the driving thing, but as of today I'm doing the owning thing as well. Tyres are one of the many things I have to worry about on my carcastle.

But it is my carcastle :D
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby SBN » Fri Sep 19, 2014 5:32 pm UTC

HES wrote:I've done plenty of the driving thing, but as of today I'm doing the owning thing as well. Tyres are one of the many things I have to worry about on my carcastle.

But it is my carcastle :D

Congratulations! Drive safely.
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(Apparently Amazon changed the free trial to just automatically become a full prime account with no warning, unlike previously when it gave you a warning before charging money.) So her fault, really, but at least she got it resolved.

Now I need to head to the hardware store so I can make progress on my Zanclean project.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby HES » Fri Sep 19, 2014 5:53 pm UTC

I've found amazon quite good at mustard reversal. I was one missold lovefilm by a lying salesman, after making a complaint ended up with three months on the highest package for free (which I made sure not to autorenew)
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby yappobiscuits » Fri Sep 19, 2014 5:55 pm UTC

Such a cute hamply pic!

I'll be away for another week as of tomorrow for The Further Adventures of Iron SeaWolpy. I'll have my TA with me, but may not get many opportunities for OTTing.
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Postby mscha » Fri Sep 19, 2014 6:00 pm UTC

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby BlitzGirl » Fri Sep 19, 2014 7:11 pm UTC

HES: Congrats on your hamply-owned carcastle!
SBN: Good luck on your Zanclean project!
yappo: Have fun on your Iron SeaWolpy adventures!

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Postby Link » Fri Sep 19, 2014 8:27 pm UTC

In my free Time, I try to ketchup, and also work on AUTOMOME. Since I haven't had a lot of free Time (I've had Zanclean amounts of university homework instead), there have been lots of riverish changes in AUTOMOME that have accumulated. Which brings me to the main reason I'm unbasementing right now:

AUTOMOME 3.4 RELEASED

This very seaish update brings partial ketchup with mrob27, and a veritable plethora of new memes. (I can't be bothered to count them right now.) Enjoy!

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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby balthasar_s » Fri Sep 19, 2014 8:45 pm UTC

Once, I made a typo which caused reconverting frames 275-310 to the CGA #0 palette:
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Once, I made a typo which caused reconverting frames 205-310 to the CGA #0 palette:
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Postby lmjb1964 » Fri Sep 19, 2014 8:57 pm UTC

Nice otties, slinches and BG!

I don't seem to be good at leaving myself free time, but like ED, if I do have it, I spend it doing stuff I should have done earlier. I've started reading again lately, which is treeish. And I watch TV, because it is sooooo easy to do.

Congrats on the new car, HES! It's cute. I'm planning on doing carcastle shopping myself this weekend.

Thanks for the Automeme stuff, azule and Link!

Boy, I guess the mustard took all the chatter out of everymolpy. Of course, it is the wipend.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby HES » Fri Sep 19, 2014 9:47 pm UTC

Questionable definition of new
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby ChronosDragon » Fri Sep 19, 2014 9:53 pm UTC

HES wrote:Questionable definition of new


What about "Newly acquired"?

With carcastles, it's more a matter of how well maintained it is than how recently it was purchased. A recent castcastle with an unmolpishly constructed engine and no maintenance could go the way of the m*stard in a matter of months, but a vintage car owned by a hobbyist mechanic could be running molpishly after decades of use.

That's a different kind of cost/wealth: knowledge.
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Postby lmjb1964 » Fri Sep 19, 2014 10:00 pm UTC

THIS HAMPLY IS TOO CH*RPONG MOLPISH -- mome
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HES wrote:Questionable definition of new

New to you, anyway. Still counts. If I get a car, it certainly won't be new new.

Edit 2: It looks like there's a new bftf. Should I ONG it? But then I'll either have a double post or two ONGs in one post. Neither seems very molpish.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby yappobiscuits » Fri Sep 19, 2014 10:19 pm UTC

I'll ONG it then. Never ONGed one of these before!
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Postby lmjb1964 » Fri Sep 19, 2014 10:22 pm UTC

Thank you. Thank you very much. And nicely done.

I haven't actually ONGed one either. The bot usually does it...
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Postby HES » Fri Sep 19, 2014 11:07 pm UTC

lmjb1964 wrote:THIS HAMPLY IS TOO CH*RPONG MOLPISH

Please. I'm fabulous.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby BlitzGirl » Sat Sep 20, 2014 1:06 am UTC

Thanks for the AUTOMOME update, Link!

lmjb1964 wrote:Boy, I guess the mustard took all the chatter out of everymolpy. Of course, it is the wipend.

The mirrorposts were highly concentrated chatter. The Time of Reflection did make the OTT we know these dips seem quiet in comparison.
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby azule » Sat Sep 20, 2014 1:13 am UTC

balthasar_s wrote:
azule wrote:...
Hopefully no more stupid errors. Until next time!

Aftertimeframes are incorrectly linked.
Instead of http://xkcd.mscha.org/otcstories/t1i/t1i-0416.png there should be http://xkcd.mscha.org/otcstories/t1i-0416.png
Right. Cuz when I said that it was an invitation to find an error to prove me wrong. :roll: (I fixed that before. I guess I made a change that put it back......) Okay, fixed.

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Re: Stirring Ham

Postby lmjb1964 » Sat Sep 20, 2014 2:04 am UTC

HES wrote:
lmjb1964 wrote:THIS HAMPLY IS TOO CH*RPONG MOLPISH

Please. I'm fabulous.
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OMR, that is hilarious. Fabulous indeed!
Took me a minute to figure out the subject. :)

BlitzGirl, it's true, being so often in the past you forget how slow the OTT can be. But it keeps going, and that's fine. And it is the wipend, after all.

I wonder what the 419a over the door means? It must have some significance.
ETA I think it's a door. But what I thought was the door handle moves from the last frame to most recent one, and that horizontal line wasn't there before.

A Google search of 419a brings up stuff from the IRS, various laws and things, and several hits on a model of voltmeter. Maybe they need to test the batteries before hooking them up?
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Postby mrob27 » Sat Sep 20, 2014 3:37 am UTC

TIME: THE FINAL FRONTIER.
THESE ARE THE VOYAGES OF THE MROBTARDIS RETROBORM.
ITS CONTINUONG MISSION: TO EXPLORE FLUTTERBEEWINGISH NEW AFTERWHENS,
TO SEEK OUT NEW CUSTARD AND NEW OTTIFICATIONS,
TO DUNEJUMPISHLY KETCHUP WHERE NO MOLPY HAS KEUGHT UP BEFORE.


Time-Capsule, Deposited NP1701
Do not open until NP2108


I sent my last Blitzreport from NP1667; I am now at NP1701.

The MysteryONGs (also: MysteryPix, PanPix, Molpix) have arrived at the place/time where the OTC e**ed. We get a reprise of those last few frames, plus a few of the epilogue sequence. As I mentioned in my previous message, we then got a Yule present, a new scene and a continuing story. Cuegan are now climbing rocky terrain and encountering new molpies, snakes, chirpies, etc. It has reached suitable complexity to encourage division into periods as was done with the OTC.

@TheMinim offers a story (at OTT:1667:29, OTT:1669:30, and OTT:1673:3) about a visit into the OTC; there are two more great chapters of Acts of the Clerics; the nifty The Molpy Hunter by @lmjb1964, and of course my How Time Was Saved.

@Sciscitor updates the database that has been so useful to so many.

There are many more song OTTifications, including most of The Last Five Years by @Dracomax, and these plus others by @AluisioASG.

@balthasar_s creates his first bot (the NewpxbOTTificator), then undertakes to begin bicycle-Blitzing the OTT, with the aid of his second bot, bothasar_s.

There is an enlightening discussion of quantum entanglement and another on "consciousness" (though what they're discussing probably deserves its own word).

The Epilogue sequence changed with the new yip, and OTTers suddenly started noticing the haskell.

Post-Mustard Followups


Thank you again @balthasar_s, and all the balthabots for your steakish work on ЯОЯЯІМ ТТО ƎНТ!
The posts can be recovered from here: http://moonbase.chirpingmustard.com/ott/posted

Ah, so they can. Thank you! I had visited that link once, way back, but forgot about it... and now I can't even find where it is linked from. It's not in the <computery stuff> spoiler.

AluisioASG wrote: I'm adding some info on communication alternatives to the site. It got me thinking: if the forum server gets lost and we move to the Raftcastle, should we try to get the old posts in it too or leave that for the mirror and start things anew?

My replies here were not very useful. Somehow I still thought you were interested in making a server that has everything... but now I remember this being discussed before, and it was clearly understood that it would require too much storage space to do that. But I also think it's better to have a multi-person solution :D
Oh, and I'd require you to use your chirpingmustard.com address

Yes, this is an important thing that we shouldn't overlook: for anyone who is willing to, it will be useful to have a way that identity can be verified in the event that we actually have to go to a Zanclean Contingency for an extended Time. For example, I gave my email address to @AluisioASG which is associated with an email address "mrob chirpingmustard com" with suitable punctuation. I haven't proven it's me, but if desired, @AluisioASG could send a message to me by email which I could then return by PM or post here on the xkcd fora. Then if I ever have to create an "mrob27" account on @AluisioASG's server, it could send me a verification email to confirm that I'm really mrob27.
  Clearly we can't expect everyone to link their online presence here with anything else, but it's something that should be possible, for anyone who wants to. To that end:

chirpingmustard email adderesses are still available as advertised here
It can be a mailbox or can forward to some other address.
All OTTers are encouraged to get one, because it will ease the
transition to a new solution in the event of an
e**ishly permanent 503m*stardflood.


BTW, the mrobdex is really huge and there's quite some useful stuff at the bottom of http://mrob.com/time/. Would you mind splitting it out?

Yes, indeed it has gotten seaish. The OTT has been around for more than 3 times as long as it had been when I created that index. So I have now broken it into pieces (pages), each corresponding to 1000 nopix (a millenopix, i.e. a kilopix or 1000 newpix/nopix), and there are links at the bottom of each page to help in navigating. For example here is page 7, containing the 7th millenopix, i.e. nopix 6000-6999. The present is on page 14. I know this makes it harder to search for newwords, so I'll probably make a text-only alphabetized index of newwords. You'll have to
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I believe it's the worst one recorded in http://mrob.com/time/fora-uptime.txt

Yes, this was the longest-duration event with a fullly-disabled-server (a "blackout" as opposed to the various "brownouts" when it sorta worked but was aggravatingly slow).

lmjb1964 wrote: mrob27, how would this one rate on your mustard scale, do you think?

I think it would be about six Image Image Image Image Image Image, extending the scale a bit.
   In this post (Newpage 1715) I listed and rated all Server Mustards up to that point. I gave five Image Image Image Image Image to the Mustard of Newpage 1702, an event that was barely five nopix long. There had been longer ones that happened to coincide with Outsider holidips in the U.S., and my ratings try to account for how much it affects us, not just direct measurements like length of time.
  Something notable about this Mustard, and perhaps affecting how it should be rated, is how it involved the first large-scale use of ЯОЯЯІМ ТТО ƎНТ. For a large fraction of us that made this mustard far less severe than the previous ones. So maybe the rating should be more like Image Image Image Image Image Image, i.e. "three and three halves".

AluisioASG wrote: Wouldn't http://mirror.chirpingmustard.com/view?p=3495064#p3495064 be better?

Long reply, possibly repeating a conversation that is already done, and completely wrong :oops: :
Spoiler:
Perhaps — I simply looked at the HTML that is currently being provided by the ЯОЯЯІМ ƎНТ, saw that it contains anchors (like <a name="p3495064">), then tried manually adding the fragment specifier "#p3495064" to the end of the URL in the address bar. It worked in my browser so I was happy.
  The URL you suggest would imply that ЯОЯЯІМ ƎНТ is set up to be able to parse a ?p=3495064 parameter and look up the number in a table to determine which page is needed so it can then return the appropriate HTML file. As I understand it, ЯОЯЯІМ ƎНТ has static HTML files. It is not generating HTML on the fly from a database. The conversion is only done once, by reading a page of HTML from the xkcd server and converting it into a page of ⅃МТН with a different header, converted links and image URLs, and other small changes. (From time to time pages are reloaded to catch edits, and they are re-converted at that time, not when you view the page.)
  Since it has static HTML files, each HTML file is a page, and the page number selects the file. So the bot that serves your HTTP requests can use the page number, i.e. the ?np=1667 parameter, to select the HTML file, and the fragment (the #p3495064 part) takes you to the desired post.
  I believe that the listing of post IDs and what page each one is on is only available at the time the original OTT pages are parsed and converted into ЯОЯЯІМ pages, and not for use by the bot that receives a URL and figures out which HTML file to transmit.
(Edit: The link suggested by @AluisioASG works, so everything I said in the above Spoiler: is wrong! :lol: )

Earthling on Mars wrote: ... I managed to do something close with a little image manipulation. ...
Image

Oh that's awexome, thanks! Image. If I knew your algorithm (discrete buckets of 25 Newpages or sliding window with decaying average? which bucket owns the time interval between it and its neighbors?) I could make my own charts, but it's much more fun to have charts made by someone who already knows what they're doing :)
  Your new image (line chart or line graph, which is it?) makes it clear how the Tymiversary brought the postrate back to levels unseen since around NP1300.

Now nopixbot tells me @azule and @Link have been updating their memishness! Treeish! :D

 — mrob27 Image

HOW ENDISHLY CAN YOU HOTDOG A TIMEODY
WHILE COMAING AND UNBASEMENT?


(Edit: fix typos, link to ЯОЯЯІМ)
(Edit2: Note that my spoilered reply to AluisioASG is wrong)
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Re: 1190: "Time"

Postby BlitzGirl » Sat Sep 20, 2014 4:51 am UTC

mrob27 wrote:   In this post (Newpage 1715) I listed and rated all Server Mustards up to that point. I gave five Image Image Image Image Image to the Mustard of Newpage 1702, an event that was barely five nopix long. There had been longer ones that happened to coincide with Outsider holidips in the U.S., and my ratings try to account for how much it affects us, not just direct measurements like length of time.

It was rather fun to go back and read NP1702. There's quite a difference in how OTTers congregated in mustardtime. The RORRIM has been such a molpish addition!
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Re: Chronogram from timeship "Retromrob", OTT-1701

Postby balthasar_s » Sat Sep 20, 2014 5:45 am UTC

mrob27 wrote:Thank you again @balthasar_s, and all the balthabots for your steakish work on ЯОЯЯІМ ТТО ƎНТ!
The posts can be recovered from here: http://moonbase.chirpingmustard.com/ott/posted

Ah, so they can. Thank you! I had visited that link once, way back, but forgot about it... and now I can't even find where it is linked from. It's not in the <computery stuff> spoiler.
Because the interface is still new and I haven't linked it yet. I haven't decided where would be the baest place to link from.

AluisioASG wrote: Wouldn't http://mirror.chirpingmustard.com/view?p=3495064#p3495064 be better?

Long reply, possibly repeating a conversation that is already done, and completely wrong :oops: :
Spoiler:
Perhaps — I simply looked at the HTML that is currently being provided by the ЯОЯЯІМ ƎНТ, saw that it contains anchors (like <a name="p3495064">), then tried manually adding the fragment specifier "#p3495064" to the end of the URL in the address bar. It worked in my browser so I was happy.
  The URL you suggest would imply that ЯОЯЯІМ ƎНТ is set up to be able to parse a ?p=3495064 parameter and look up the number in a table to determine which page is needed so it can then return the appropriate HTML file. As I understand it, ЯОЯЯІМ ƎНТ has static HTML files. It is not generating HTML on the fly from a database. The conversion is only done once, by reading a page of HTML from the xkcd server and converting it into a page of ⅃МТН with a different header, converted links and image URLs, and other small changes. (From time to time pages are reloaded to catch edits, and they are re-converted at that time, not when you view the page.)
  Since it has static HTML files, each HTML file is a page, and the page number selects the file. So the bot that serves your HTTP requests can use the page number, i.e. the ?np=1667 parameter, to select the HTML file, and the fragment (the #p3495064 part) takes you to the desired post.
  I believe that the listing of post IDs and what page each one is on is only available at the time the original OTT pages are parsed and converted into ЯОЯЯІМ pages, and not for use by the bot that receives a URL and figures out which HTML file to transmit.
[i]
Have you tried it? It looks for 3 parameters, in this order: np, start, p. Others are
ignored.
  • If there is np, it just shows that page. if the value is too big it shows the last page.
  • If there is start, np=start/40+1, just like in the OTT, and then show the page.
  • If there is p it searches for the post and shows the newpage that has this post.
  • If theree are none of these parameters or the post ID can't be found it shows the first newpage.
And the newpages are not completely static. Look here: http://moonbase.chirpingmustard.com/ott/np.
  • There is no header (to save space, and to have it dependent on one file).
  • There are no newpage links (because they are dynamically generated).
  • The signatures and user information are cut out. (because they change more often and to save space).
But i think I already told about this once.

The algorithm of finding the newpage.:
The newpage is a 32 bit number. start with 0x00000000 and select the most signifficant bit.

do this 32 times:
set the selected bit to 1.
Open the list for the newpage with that number.
If the list can't be opened or the first post has an ID greater than p set the bit back to 0.
If the ID is equal to p We've found it.
Otherwise select the next bit and continue.

Now we have a newpage number if the post is somewhere, it's here.
Look for all the posts in the list if one of them is equal to p we've found it.
(normally I should interrupt when finding an ID greater than p but because sometimes the order of IDs is reversed I don't do that)
If the post was not found look in the previous newpage (again because of the reversal)
If the post is not there either it's nowhere, return newpage 1.

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unsigned long p2np(unsigned long p)
{
   FILE *file;
   char path[256];
   char text[256];
   unsigned long np=0;
   unsigned long np2;
   unsigned long pp;
   
   for(short i=31;i>=0;--i)
   {
      np2 = np + (1L << i);
      sprintf(path,"%s%lu",POSTLIST_PATH,np2);
      file=fopen(path,"rt");
      if(file==NULL)
         continue;
      fgets(text,255,file);
      fclose(file);
      sscanf(text,"%lu",&pp);
      if(pp==p)
         return np2;
      else if(pp<p)
         np=np2;
   }
   if(np==0)
      return 1L;
   sprintf(path,"%s%lu",POSTLIST_PATH,np);
   file=fopen(path,"rt");
   if(file==NULL)
      return 1L;
   while(fgets(text,255,file)!=NULL)
   {
      sscanf(text,"%lu",&pp);
      if(pp==p)
         return np;
   }
   fclose(file);
   --np;
   sprintf(path,"%s%lu",POSTLIST_PATH,np);
   file=fopen(path,"rt");
   if(file==NULL)
      return 1L;
   while(fgets(text,255,file)!=NULL)
   {
      sscanf(text,"%lu",&pp);
      if(pp==p)
         return np;
   }
   return 1L;
}

There is a different version of that function in findpost.cpp used while converting downloaded newpages which is called from bot2.awk and returns np0 when the post can't be found so that the bot knows not to relink the URL.
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int main(int argc, char *argv[])
{
   unsigned long to_find;
   unsigned long postnumber;
   unsigned long pagenumber=0;
   unsigned long pagenumber2;
   char path[256];
   char text[256];
   FILE *file;
   
   if (argc<2)
   {
      printf("0\n");
      return 0;
   }
   sscanf(argv[1],"%lu",&to_find);
   
   for(short i=31;i>=0;--i)
   {
      pagenumber2 = pagenumber + (1L << i);
      sprintf(path,"%s%lu",POSTLIST_PATH,pagenumber2);
      file=fopen(path,"rt");
      if(file==NULL)
         continue;
      fgets(text,255,file);
      fclose(file);
      sscanf(text,"%lu",&postnumber);
      if(postnumber==to_find)
      {
         printf("%lu\n",pagenumber2);
         return pagenumber2;
      }
      else if(postnumber<to_find)
         pagenumber=pagenumber2;
   }
   if(pagenumber==0)
   {
      printf("0\n");
      return 0;
   }
   sprintf(path,"%s%lu",POSTLIST_PATH,pagenumber);
   file=fopen(path,"rt");
   if(file==NULL)
   {
      printf("0\n");
      return 0;
   }
   while(fgets(text,255,file)!=NULL )
   {
      sscanf(text,"%lu",&postnumber);
      if(postnumber==to_find)
      {
         fclose(file);
         printf("%lu\n",pagenumber);
         return pagenumber;
      }
   }
   fclose(file);
   sprintf(path,"%s%lu",POSTLIST_PATH,pagenumber-1);
   file=fopen(path,"rt");
   if(file==NULL)
   {
      printf("0\n");
      return 0;
   }
   while(fgets(text,255,file)!=NULL )
   {
      sscanf(text,"%lu",&postnumber);
      if(postnumber==to_find)
      {
         fclose(file);
         printf("%lu\n",pagenumber-1);
         return pagenumber-1;
      }
      // else if(postnumber>to_find)
      // {
         // fclose(file);
         // printf("0\n");
         // return 0;
      // }
   }
   printf("0\n");
   fclose(file);
   return 0;
}
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