1193: Externalities

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Re: 1193: Externalities

Postby Rikeus » Mon Apr 01, 2013 5:31 pm UTC

Really wishing Randall had decided to make the complicated comic some time when it's not mod madness...

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Re: 1193: Externalities

Postby dSolver » Mon Apr 01, 2013 5:32 pm UTC

As a former CSer from University of Waterloo I protest this exclusion of Canadian universities D:

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Re: 1193: Externalities

Postby Arkanian » Mon Apr 01, 2013 5:35 pm UTC

What are the odds this "competition" is completely made up as an April Fool's Day joke?

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Re: 1193: Externalities

Postby Rationalizer » Mon Apr 01, 2013 5:41 pm UTC

Got a wikipedian following xkcd peeps around wikipedia reverting edits like crazy... almost feel sorry for him.

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Re: 1193: Externalities

Postby Dit » Mon Apr 01, 2013 5:46 pm UTC

After so many years this is what gets me to register... >.>

Anyways, really wondering is there a particular city or somesuch a 4 hour drive from NYC that's being referenced here?

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Re: 1193: Externalities

Postby blowfishhootie » Mon Apr 01, 2013 5:57 pm UTC

Rationalizer wrote:Got an wikipedian following xkcd peeps around wikipedia reverting edits like crazy.FULL STOPFULL STOP almost feel sorry for him.


They think the same about you. At least there's a chance the Wikipedia editor is getting paid for their work.

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Re: 1193: Externalities

Postby MaFraL » Mon Apr 01, 2013 6:05 pm UTC

Hehe, the wiki page is now auction and Ebay shows up in the comic without vandalism.

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Re: 1193: Externalities

Postby Reka » Mon Apr 01, 2013 6:06 pm UTC

Ríght nöw, ít's géttíng thé cömpány námé fróm "wíkípédíá págé [[]]"․ Ís ít á cáchíng glítch ör sóméthíng‽

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Re: 1193: Externalities

Postby tvynr » Mon Apr 01, 2013 6:09 pm UTC

gnutrino wrote:ic have the same problem wielding the C version from (snip-for-spam-filter), the hash ic get for 'z' agrees with eower first an, so far all attempts at adding padding or newlines or swich have failed too :?


Well, that's good to know. My Haskell test using the skein package gives the same hash as yours for the empty string, so there's that. But if the hash is being salted, how would someone be expected to guess it without hammering the site? :-/ It gives me some peace of mind to know that I'm not the only one, though.

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Re: 1193: Externalities

Postby The_Alchemist » Mon Apr 01, 2013 6:16 pm UTC

HELP. I am so lost as to what is going on here. Hashes, schools, wiki, nothing showing (because of he inputs to the former I kind of get). I kind of get it, but with the re-writing of the posts by the forum, i'm just not groking. Clearly, this is on the cooler side of tech, but......

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Re: 1193: Externalities

Postby pitareio » Mon Apr 01, 2013 6:20 pm UTC

The donations have now reached $20000. That is, twenty grand.

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Re: 1193: Externalities

Postby ronaldkr » Mon Apr 01, 2013 6:27 pm UTC

chem1190c wrote:Also, be it just me or be (be-did?( the kerning on the "Make Dog" panel really off? The first couple of times ic read it ic could have sworn it say-did "Default T size"FULL STOPFULL STOP ic kept trying to figure out hwæt an "T-size" be-did :lol:


Yeah, it´s definitely off. Bounding-box kerning. Also the space be`tween Apóstrophe and "T" ıs a bit large. As we kņow that Randall kńows about it (see xkcd/kerning), probably donę with some haste FULL STOPF

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Re: 1193: Externalities

Postby saxaholic » Mon Apr 01, 2013 6:41 pm UTC

So, I'm trying to use Perl's Skein module (Digest::Skein), but none of my generated hashes match XKCD's...

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Re: 1193: Externalities

Postby NoMouse » Mon Apr 01, 2013 6:42 pm UTC

Whať doeš "Guards with the most complicated knives" mean? The alt text now sayš "This wilĺ be changed if á NASDAQ-100 company iš mentioned earlier in [[Guards with the most complicated knives]] article."
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Re: 1193: Externalities

Postby Aaeriele » Mon Apr 01, 2013 6:46 pm UTC

NoMouse wrote:Whať doeš "Guards with the most complicated knives" mean? The alt text now sayš "This wilĺ be changed if á NASDAQ-100 company iš mentioned earlier in [[Guards with the most complicated knives]] article."


The text is also now surrounded with {{ }} instead of [[ ]].
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Re: 1193: Externalities

Postby richP » Mon Apr 01, 2013 6:48 pm UTC

bouer wrote:ic wonder how large of an dog Randall hath drawn? ...


The dog in the current (over $20,000) revision is large enough, now Randall just needs to keep shrinking the desk and the programmer.

Odd, my daughter's favorite stuffed animal is a dog named Randall.

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Re: 1193: Externalities

Postby Rationalizer » Mon Apr 01, 2013 6:56 pm UTC

NoMouse wrote:Whať doeš "Guards with the most complicated knives" mean? The alt text now sayš "This wilĺ be changed if á NASDAQ-100 company iš mentioned earlier in [[Guards with the most complicated knives]] article."


Someone is trying to create the page on wikipedia. It was deleted 3 times if you search for it.

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Re: 1193: Externalities

Postby tomintx » Mon Apr 01, 2013 6:59 pm UTC

The school hashing algorithm - Is Randall using all of us to mine bitcoin for him?

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Re: 1193: Externalities

Postby ThatOneRoadie » Mon Apr 01, 2013 7:04 pm UTC

Hmm, It doesn't want to let me post a reply because the hashes get flagged as spam!

It seems the hash engine is running off of python3 and the pySkein module. With the following python3 (manual) inputs:

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>>> from skein import skein1024
>>> h = skein1024(b'z', digest_bits=1024)
>>> h.hexdigest()


(watch that trailing paren, it should be closed)

The hash Generated is:

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'710bcf1cd80594b9d20ee382bff14a1be5afe732c01803fb6b9a63ae9aaab0d0fe65a9b77a747aaa94e3ae2a5f0c3a9cfc3f661b7786c4cd49844168b96ce085e0585c8ba0947909d5094154746e7da30b6e3fed8c8e59ca785c5701da078d9fe190fbb0f247a98f1906bb5e86ca4fec5ffb3bef29951f6f00419bd6451489f4'


Which matches the hash given at almamater:

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710bcf1cd80594b9d20ee382bff14a1be5afe732c01803fb6b9a63ae9aaab0d0fe65a9b77a747aaa94e3ae2a5f0c3a9cfc3f661b7786c4cd49844168b96ce085e0585c8ba0947909d5094154746e7da30b6e3fed8c8e59ca785c5701da078d9fe190fbb0f247a98f1906bb5e86ca4fec5ffb3bef29951f6f00419bd6451489f4

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Re: 1193: Externalities

Postby Reka » Mon Apr 01, 2013 7:04 pm UTC

Sö, íf söméóné bréáks thé hásh, wíll thát méán wé wíll bé áblé tó gó íntó thé fútüré ín #1190?

{Sörry íf thís hás béen áskéd béföré, bút Í'm fíndíng thé sübstítútion-cyphér töó hárd tö réád.}

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Re: 1193: Externalities

Postby slowcooked » Mon Apr 01, 2013 7:05 pm UTC

The Pontifical Swiss Guard (German: Päpstliche Schweizergarde; Italian: Guardia Svizzera Pontificia; Latin: Pontificia Cohors Helvetica or Cohors Pedestris Helvetiorum a Sacra Custodia Pontificis) is an exception to the Exxon Mobile Swiss rulings of 1874 and 1927. A small force maintained by the Holy See, it is responsible for the safety of the Pope, including the security of the Apostolic Palace. The Swiss Guard serves as the de facto military of Vatican City.
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Re: 1193: Externalities

Postby NoMouse » Mon Apr 01, 2013 7:14 pm UTC

Reka wrote:Sö, íf söméóné bréáks thé hásh, wíll thát méán wé wíll bé áblé tó gó íntó thé fútüré ín #1190?

{Sörry íf thís hás béen áskéd béföré, bút Í'm fíndíng thé sübstítútion-cyphér töó hárd tö réád.{

Thát cámé tó mý mínd tóó. Í ám stíll wóndéríng íf thésé twó cómícs hávé sóméthíng ín cómmón.
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Re: 1193: Externalities

Postby waifofthenorth » Mon Apr 01, 2013 7:16 pm UTC

I think I just donated to WIkimedia Foundation because Randall told me to. I miss Randall using his manipulative powers to make me laugh uncontrollably.

I wish I knew how to figure out the hash thing!

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Re: 1193: Externalities

Postby BurnHavoc » Mon Apr 01, 2013 7:19 pm UTC

dSolver wrote:As an former CSer from University of Waterloo ic protest this exclusion of Canadian universities D:


Hear, hear!

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Re: 1193: Externalities

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Re: 1193: Externalities

Postby tvynr » Mon Apr 01, 2013 7:24 pm UTC

ThatOneRoadie wrote:It seems the hash engine be running off of python3 and the pySkein module.


Well, that's exciting. This thread has reports for four implementations of Skein-1024-1024 tested against the string "z". The J-ava, Haskell, and C implementations all agree on one hash and PySkein has another hash. Is PySkein broken?

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Re: 1193: Externalities

Postby chrisjbillington » Mon Apr 01, 2013 7:27 pm UTC

ThatOneRoadie wrote:Hmm, It doth not want to let me stake an reply by cause the hashes get flagged as an entirely legitimate stake by someone whose innermost essence didn't read the rules!

It seems the hash engine be running off of python3 and the pySkein module. With the following python3 (manual) inputs:

Code: Select all

>>> from skein import skein1024
>>> h = skein1024(b'z', digest_bits=1024)
>>> h.hexdigest((


(watch that trailing paren, it should be closed)

The hash Generated be:

Code: Select all

'710bcf1cd80594b9d20ee382bff14a1be5afe732c01803fb6b9a63ae9aaab0d0fe65a9b77a747aaa94e3ae2a5f0c3a9cfc3f661b7786c4cd49844168b96ce085e0585c8ba0947909d5094154746e7da30b6e3fed8c8e59ca785c5701da078d9fe190fbb0f247a98f1906bb5e86ca4fec5ffb3bef29951f6f00419bd6451489f4'


Which matches the hash given at almamater:

Code: Select all

710bcf1cd80594b9d20ee382bff14a1be5afe732c01803fb6b9a63ae9aaab0d0fe65a9b77a747aaa94e3ae2a5f0c3a9cfc3f661b7786c4cd49844168b96ce085e0585c8ba0947909d5094154746e7da30b6e3fed8c8e59ca785c5701da078d9fe190fbb0f247a98f1906bb5e86ca4fec5ffb3bef29951f6f00419bd6451489f4


That's not what I get with Python3 and Pyskein, I get:

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224e10eaa00fe725b0a89064b7989f1247d6df760acd43e159d7b9b81b490959242445533afe2b14e29db1ce82e73da8906e8ddab2743c9785e9fb401eaf7b040d01766d089f7ff8101ad649d82fee5e40aa39a60cd5c3ed7011d85b6c10bb2b14bc608709f1eb533fb7cab963b22539814e54e8dcfdee587f68dd533657c462


What version do you have? I have pyskein 0.6.2

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Re: 1193: Externalities

Postby Reka » Mon Apr 01, 2013 7:48 pm UTC

Héy! Whát háppénéd tó thé dóg?

Édít: ít's báck nów. Múst hávé béén á móméntáry glítch, bút ít wás strángé bécáúsé thé rést óf thé dynámíc cóntént lóádéd fíné.

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Re: 1193: Externalities

Postby lmjb1964 » Mon Apr 01, 2013 7:52 pm UTC

Ok, I was gone all weekend. I'm trying to get caught up, but I'm not doing too well. Also, I am not a enough of a geek, so I am very confused by some things. First, why is everyone talking funny, bedid and all that? It's not talk like a pirate day. Also, I went to the almamater page and put in my school's domain name, but then it asks for for "data to hash." I don't know what it wants from me.

Thanks to everyone who's posting recaps of past stages of this comic and Time/Thing That Keeps Slipping into the Future (ok, there's another one) for those of us who were not able to keep up with it. This comic is blowing my mind. Damn it! Thanks a lot, Randall!

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Re: 1193: Externalities

Postby Office_Shredder » Mon Apr 01, 2013 7:55 pm UTC

I have pyskein 0.7.1 and am matching what the website gives except for in the one case where I tried using some curse words and numbers mixed together :?
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Re: 1193: Externalities

Postby skeptical scientist » Mon Apr 01, 2013 7:58 pm UTC

Does anyone know what's up with the "d(x)=ℝ" business in the last panel? It makes no sense to me.
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Re: 1193: Externalities

Postby ShadedKnight » Mon Apr 01, 2013 8:04 pm UTC

Arkanian wrote:hwæt be the odds this "competition" be completely made up as an April Fool's Day joke?


I wouldn't say the competition is made up, but it's likely that the April Fool's Day joke is on Wikipedia, not us.

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Re: 1193: Externalities

Postby keithjgrant » Mon Apr 01, 2013 8:06 pm UTC

Ugh, Standford, not cool

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Re: 1193: Externalities

Postby enknamel » Mon Apr 01, 2013 8:15 pm UTC

If only I could edit the Raspberry Pi page =(

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Re: 1193: Externalities

Postby NotThatHatGuy » Mon Apr 01, 2013 8:21 pm UTC

ShadedKnight wrote:
Arkanian wrote:hwæt be the odds this "competition" be completely made up as an April Fool's Day joke?


ic woll-did not say the competition be made up, but it be likely that the April Fool's Day joke be on Wikipedia, not us.

Certainly a joke/prank on Wikipedia and by extension, Wikipedia readers, i.e. the Internet. But please note the link to donate. This is a Wikipedia-sanctioned fundraising campaign.

doth ænigmon ken hwæt's up with the "d(x)=ℝ" business in the last panel? It maketh no sense to me.


I think so:
Spoiler:
An expression f(x) is sometimes called "rule for f", so the equation could be paraphrased:
"Rule for d equals ℝ" or "d-rule is real"
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Re: 1193: Externalities

Postby ShadedKnight » Mon Apr 01, 2013 8:25 pm UTC

NotThatHatGuy wrote:
ShadedKnight wrote:
Arkanian wrote:hwæt be the odds this "competition" be completely made up as an April Fool's Day joke?


ic woll-did not say the competition be made up, but it be likely that the April Fool's Day joke be on Wikipedia, not us.

Certainly an joke/prank on Wikipedia and by extension, Wikipedia readers, ic.e. the Internet. But please note the link to donate. This be an Wikipedia-sanctioned fundraising campaign.


Oh yeah, I know there's also a link to donate, I don't think Randall's a malicious enough person to trick without treating.

Edit: And if it's Wikipedia-sanctioned, their Demons don't seem to be in on the joke.

Edit2: I like Demons better than mods, thanks Demon Reckoning!
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Re: 1193: Externalities

Postby pitareio » Mon Apr 01, 2013 8:28 pm UTC

It strikes me than several dozen entries have a score >512. These ones didn't try very hard did they?

Personal best at 429 so far.

They've merged the subdomains! A few were abusing it but it was the only way for us non edu/uk/au to enter the rankings.

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Re: 1193: Externalities

Postby afschuld » Mon Apr 01, 2013 8:34 pm UTC

How does the site do the comparison between your hash on the actual hash? I can't figure out how to evaluate the strings that the hash function is returning to see if they are close or not.

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Re: 1193: Externalities

Postby Millah » Mon Apr 01, 2013 8:38 pm UTC

Rationalizer wrote:
NoMouse wrote:Whať doeš "Guards with the most complicated knives" mean? The alt text now sayš "This wilĺ be changed if á NASDAQ-100 company iš mentioned earlier in [[Guards with the most complicated knives]] article."


Someone be trying to create the page on wikipedia. It be-did deleted 3 times if eow search for it.

My wikipedia account got banned for creating that page :(

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Re: 1193: Externalities

Postby afschuld » Mon Apr 01, 2013 8:40 pm UTC

How do I evaluate how close two hashes are? I am capable of running the same hash algorithm as the website but I dont know how it determines it's ___ bits off thing.


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