1199: "Silence"

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1199: "Silence"

Postby rhomboidal » Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:05 am UTC

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Title Text: All music is just performances of 4'33" in studios where another band happened to be playing at the time.

4'33" blows "The Sound of Silence" AWAY.
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Re: 1199: "Silence"

Postby gmalivuk » Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:12 am UTC

I think one of my favorite things about 4'33" is the fact that it's meant to be performed in three movements, each with the grand piano opened a different amount.
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Re: 1199: "Silence"

Postby Quicksilver » Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:12 am UTC

I was expecting Simon & Garfunkel - The Sound of Silence to be the song.
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Re: 1199: "Silence"

Postby boozledorf » Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:22 am UTC

For a full orchestral performance of this piece, you can check it out here:
http://www.ubu.com/film/cage_433.html
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Re: 1199: "Silence"

Postby amulshah7 » Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:24 am UTC

I'm not sure what the big deal about the song is. I could play it in my sleep.

Also, somewhat related, but here's the shortest song ever written (they even made a video for it) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Z1IGjr2cT0
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Re: 1199: "Silence"

Postby geoffreaux » Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:41 am UTC

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Re: 1199: "Silence"

Postby geoffreaux » Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:45 am UTC

gmalivuk wrote:I think one of my favorite things about 4'33" is the fact that it's meant to be performed in three movements, each with the grand piano opened a different amount.
close...John Cage did denote movements but had no specific intention on how to indicate them. David Tutor chose to indicate each movement by opening and closing the piano lid, but that's not necessarily how it has to be performed
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Re: 1199: "Silence"

Postby Scorpio3002 » Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:57 am UTC

Oh hey, a 4'33'' joke. How original.
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Re: 1199: "Silence"

Postby eidako » Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:12 am UTC

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Re: 1199: "Silence"

Postby boozledorf » Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:18 am UTC

What the fuck was that?
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Re: 1199: "Silence"

Postby San Fran Sam » Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:57 am UTC

i want that app.

also one that stops the song that keeps playing over and over and over in my head.
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Re: 1199: "Silence"

Postby Raineer » Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:59 am UTC

I had never heard of this song. Quite amusing.
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Re: 1199: "Silence"

Postby glasnt » Mon Apr 15, 2013 6:00 am UTC

*slow clap*

I'd like to see a movie sound identifier that segfaults when checking the falling man sample 8-)
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Re: 1199: "Silence"

Postby ysth » Mon Apr 15, 2013 6:10 am UTC

With a better mike, you'd get something from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_from_The_Body instead.
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Re: 1199: "Silence"

Postby dan_dassow » Mon Apr 15, 2013 6:12 am UTC

boozledorf wrote:For a full orchestral performance of this piece, you can check it out here:
http://www.ubu.com/film/cage_433.html

8-) John Cage is a kindred spirit. 8-)
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Re: 1199: "Silence"

Postby Angelastic » Mon Apr 15, 2013 7:24 am UTC

The title text reminds me of New Waver's techno remix of 4'33".
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Re: 1199: "Silence"

Postby Xenomortis » Mon Apr 15, 2013 8:00 am UTC

I once played Audiosurf to a particularly crisp recording of 4'3''; one of the better tracks I've played on.
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Re: 1199: "Silence"

Postby Kazza3 » Mon Apr 15, 2013 8:45 am UTC

4'33" jokes may be as common as anything, but I still enjoy this.
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Re: 1199: "Silence"

Postby Klear » Mon Apr 15, 2013 8:47 am UTC

I always wanted to go the a performance of 4'33 and start the applause a minute too early. Of course, that would be as much a part of the performance as anything.
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Re: 1199: "Silence"

Postby The RGOOMHM » Mon Apr 15, 2013 9:28 am UTC

It's time that all musicians on this planet get sued by John Cage's lawyers for copyright infringement! All of those pirate bastards use samples from 4'33'' without paying royalties!
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Re: 1199: "Silence"

Postby Flumble » Mon Apr 15, 2013 10:15 am UTC

Raineer wrote:I had never heard of this song. Quite amusing.

Congratulations on being one of 'the ten thousand' today. :D

I'm both annoyed and relieved because of this comic. Annoyed because it came to be and relieved because it's out of the way now and there's no possibility 4:33 will be featured again (let alone in a worse setting).
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Re: 1199: "Silence"

Postby XTCamus » Mon Apr 15, 2013 11:12 am UTC

4:33
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Re: 1199: "Silence"

Postby Angelastic » Mon Apr 15, 2013 11:19 am UTC

XTCamus wrote:4:33

*cough*
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Re: 1199: "Silence"

Postby davidhbrown » Mon Apr 15, 2013 11:27 am UTC

Klear wrote:I always wanted to go the a performance of 4'33 and start the applause a minute too early. Of course, that would be as much a part of the performance as anything.

Very true. A lot of people think of this "piece" as if it were a studio work consisting of digital zeros. An important aspect of it is for the audience to stop talking and pay attention to all of the incidental sounds that happen around them. The almost imperceptible rush of a the ventilation. The sound your throat and ears make as you swallow. A door closing in the lobby. Possibly even the ticking of your wristwatch.

If you like this sort of "music" that encourages you to not only hear but also perceive sounds you usually ignore, you can find similar recorded works. I don't listen to them often, but a few such albums I have include Christopher DeLaurenti's Favorite Intermissions (recordings of the intermissions of classical music concerts); and the compilations The Architecture of the Incidental and Psychogeographical Dip which are more deliberately constructed from found/environmental sounds. (These were published by the GD Stereo label which now sells through Pogus Productions. My relationship is only as a customer.)
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Re: 1199: "Silence"

Postby histrion » Mon Apr 15, 2013 12:00 pm UTC

Scorpio3002 wrote:Oh hey, a 4'33'' joke. How original.


Uh... Yeah, isn't that meme totally played out?</sarcasm>
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Re: 1199: "Silence"

Postby blowfishhootie » Mon Apr 15, 2013 12:24 pm UTC

Scorpio3002 wrote:Oh hey, a 4'33'' joke. How original.


OK, what? In what universe are you inundated with 4'33" jokes? I mean, I suppose for every possible subject of topical humor out there there must be somebody who has heard it many times, so it's possible this is old hat to you. But ... I'm skeptical, and even if that's the case, you are then far from the norm.
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Re: 1199: "Silence"

Postby The_Alchemist » Mon Apr 15, 2013 12:32 pm UTC

Flumble wrote:
Raineer wrote:I had never heard of this song. Quite amusing.

Congratulations on being one of 'the ten thousand' today. :D

I'm both annoyed and relieved because of this comic. Annoyed because it came to be and relieved because it's out of the way now and there's no possibility 4:33 will be featured again (let alone in a worse setting).

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Re: 1199: "Silence"

Postby jc » Mon Apr 15, 2013 12:52 pm UTC

The RGOOMHM wrote:It's time that all musicians on this planet get sued by John Cage's lawyers for copyright infringement! All of those pirate bastards use samples from 4'33'' without paying royalties!

I'm surprised that nobody has yet mentioned the lawsuit over Mike Batt's "infringement" of Cage's famous work. Anyone here who's not familiar with ti should google it. It's pretty funny. And it does have legal implications, mostly that, if you "infringe" this particular "composition", you shouldn't acknowledge your crime on your album label.

I've seen a number of transcriptions of 4'33", to several kinds of music notation. I've even used a few of them for testing music software. No programmer would be surprised to learn that they tend to trigger bugs in the software.
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Re: 1199: "Silence"

Postby FrobozzWizard » Mon Apr 15, 2013 1:26 pm UTC

John Cage was really a joker. Another famous piece of his, I Ching, was written in reaction to the very carefully thought out and mathematically generated pieces of his day that sounded completely random. Cage heard that, and decided to see what would happen if he made music that was in fact completely random. As someone who studied music composition quite seriously, I am still hard-pressed to tell the difference between Cage's random and the not-random stuff Cage was reacting to.
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Re: 1199: "Silence"

Postby jrkelly » Mon Apr 15, 2013 1:31 pm UTC

'm surprised that nobody has yet mentioned the lawsuit over Mike Batt's "infringement" of Cage's famous work. Anyone here who's not familiar with ti should google it. It's pretty funny. And it does have legal implications, mostly that, if you "infringe" this particular "composition", you shouldn't acknowledge your crime on your album label.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-11964995
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Re: 1199: "Silence"

Postby Monika » Mon Apr 15, 2013 1:32 pm UTC

Scorpio3002 wrote:Oh hey, a 4'33'' joke. How original.

First time I have seen one.
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Re: 1199: "Silence"

Postby PolakoVoador » Mon Apr 15, 2013 1:37 pm UTC

The_Alchemist wrote:
Flumble wrote:
Raineer wrote:I had never heard of this song. Quite amusing.

Congratulations on being one of 'the ten thousand' today. :D

I'm both annoyed and relieved because of this comic. Annoyed because it came to be and relieved because it's out of the way now and there's no possibility 4:33 will be featured again (let alone in a worse setting).

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Re: 1199: "Silence"

Postby gruene » Mon Apr 15, 2013 1:49 pm UTC

Wouldn't 4'33" be muffled coughing and people shifting uncomfortably in their chairs?
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Re: 1199: "Silence"

Postby pkcommando » Mon Apr 15, 2013 2:09 pm UTC

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Re: 1199: "Silence"

Postby XTCamus » Mon Apr 15, 2013 2:11 pm UTC

Angelastic wrote:
XTCamus wrote:4:33

*cough*

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Re: 1199: "Silence"

Postby boothby171 » Mon Apr 15, 2013 2:24 pm UTC

Of course, these responses are a part of the performance, as well.

Cool.

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Re: 1199: "Silence"

Postby AUS » Mon Apr 15, 2013 2:28 pm UTC

Never heard of it before in my life. Though, you guys don't lie and say you hear this joke all the time...Or at least, don't tell the truth and say that because it's not believable so it'll just waste your time.
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Re: 1199: "Silence"

Postby sep332 » Mon Apr 15, 2013 2:36 pm UTC

jc wrote:
The RGOOMHM wrote:It's time that all musicians on this planet get sued by John Cage's lawyers for copyright infringement! All of those pirate bastards use samples from 4'33'' without paying royalties!

I'm surprised that nobody has yet mentioned the lawsuit over Mike Batt's "infringement" of Cage's famous work. Anyone here who's not familiar with ti should google it. It's pretty funny. And it does have legal implications, mostly that, if you "infringe" this particular "composition", you shouldn't acknowledge your crime on your album label.

I've seen a number of transcriptions of 4'33", to several kinds of music notation. I've even used a few of them for testing music software. No programmer would be surprised to learn that they tend to trigger bugs in the software.

During the dispute, the two pieces were played side-by-side. "Cage's publisher Peters Edition and Batt hoped it would clarify the differences between the works."
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Re: 1199: "Silence"

Postby tibfulv » Mon Apr 15, 2013 2:53 pm UTC

I have recently come to think that 4'33'' performed by Victor Borge would be rather amusing.
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Re: 1199: "Silence"

Postby adanedhel728 » Mon Apr 15, 2013 3:26 pm UTC

tibfulv wrote:I have recently come to think that 4'33'' performed by Victor Borge would be rather amusing.


Best idea ever. I would also like to see Jerry Lewis performing it on a typewriter.

One of the earlier quotes said they expected it to be Simon and Garfunkel's "Sound of Silence." I kind of wonder if that's part of the joke in Randall's mind: Expecting one thing and get another.


I may very well be ruffling some feathers when I say this, but I've resisted the urge to post it in the comments section of any and all YouTube videos of someone "performing" this, because someone would rightly say that it's trolling. But, it's got to come out somewhere: 4'33" is the height of pretention. I feel like this is exactly the kind of thing that Bill Waterson had in mind when he mocked "avant-garde" art.

Ok, there, I've said it. If someone wants to dispute it, I don't really care.
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