1228: "Prometheus"

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1228: "Prometheus"

Postby Quicksilver » Fri Jun 21, 2013 8:13 am UTC

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Alt Text:"'I'm here to return what Prometheus stole.' would be a good thing to say if you were a fighter pilot in a Michael Bay movie where for some reason the world's militaries had to team up to defeat every god from human mythology, and you'd just broken through the perimeter and gotten a missile lock on Mount Olympus."
Only if the fighter pilot was Kevin Sorbo.

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Re: 1228: "Prometheus"

Postby ScegfOd » Fri Jun 21, 2013 8:19 am UTC

Heh, if the forum didn't keep saying

"This message was flagged as spam and has been denied."

I might've had time to both register and start this thread :shock:
does it always do that to de-lurkers?

Also, anyone else reminded that "sharing is caring"?

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Re: 1228: "Prometheus"

Postby rhomboidal » Fri Jun 21, 2013 8:19 am UTC

Infernos were the first BitTorrent.

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Re: 1228: "Prometheus"

Postby HungryHobo » Fri Jun 21, 2013 8:25 am UTC

Re: the alt text. reminds me of the plot of the last hero.

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The last hero in the world is going to return what the first hero stole.


With interest.
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Re: 1228: "Prometheus"

Postby Xavios » Fri Jun 21, 2013 8:26 am UTC

HungryHobo wrote:Re: the alt text. reminds me of the plot of the last hero.

The last hero in the world is going to return what the first hero stole.


With interest.


...came here to post a picture of that page. Goddamn that is a fantastic book. Well played.

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Re: 1228: "Prometheus"

Postby JabberwockPL » Fri Jun 21, 2013 8:40 am UTC

I've just registered to voice my appreciation at the most clever unwritten wordplay ever...

The comic is obviously about those who would put DRM on fire.

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Re: 1228: "Prometheus"

Postby rivulatus » Fri Jun 21, 2013 8:40 am UTC

Sounds like a good movie, no plot line, all action and special effects, I am keen.

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Re: 1228: "Prometheus"

Postby orthogon » Fri Jun 21, 2013 8:48 am UTC

rhomboidal wrote:Infernos were the first BitTorrent.

They settled Intellectual Property disputes a little differently in those days. Even the worst patent trolls have yet to insist on the infringer's liver being pecked out by an eagle for eternity.
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Re: 1228: "Prometheus"

Postby milN » Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:07 am UTC

I want this movie made. And then I will torrent it :)

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Re: 1228: "Prometheus"

Postby Keta » Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:07 am UTC

If you want to read a really good book about humans going to war against the Greek gods, check out Ilium (and its sequel Olympos) by Dan Simmons

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Re: 1228: "Prometheus"

Postby Finarfin » Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:24 am UTC

I would pay to see that movie.

Twice.

In 3D.

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Re: 1228: "Prometheus"

Postby brandbarth » Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:39 am UTC

Fire®, to destroy all you've done. Fire™, to end all you've become.

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Re: 1228: "Prometheus"

Postby Eutychus » Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:49 am UTC

HungryHobo wrote:Give a man a fish, he owes you one fish. Teach a man to fish, you give up your monopoly on fisheries.

Your sig seems strangely apposite to the debate.
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Re: 1228: "Prometheus"

Postby musicgeek » Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:56 am UTC

Was coming here to post "Actually, the alt text has more or less been done by Terry Pratchett," but I should have known that others would have beaten me to it.

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Re: 1228: "Prometheus"

Postby Diadem » Fri Jun 21, 2013 10:10 am UTC

Xavios wrote:
HungryHobo wrote:Re: the alt text. reminds me of the plot of the last hero.

The last hero in the world is going to return what the first hero stole.


With interest.


...came here to post a picture of that page. Goddamn that is a fantastic book. Well played.

Same here. That book is awesome. I guess that Randall hasn't read it, because his alt text is basically exactly the tagline of the book, only less well done.

The last hero is going to return what the first hero stole, with a vengeance. Love it. Cohen is an all around awesome character anyway.
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Re: 1228: "Prometheus"

Postby Carteeg_Struve » Fri Jun 21, 2013 10:41 am UTC

This week Olympus has imposed a new DRM restrictions on their fire for all torches, lighters, and other sources of flame. This move appears to be highly unpopular except in areas of Colorado. Prometheus said he will work on getting around the issue as soon as he is untied and gets over his liver problems.

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Re: 1228: "Prometheus"

Postby Arancaytar » Fri Jun 21, 2013 11:19 am UTC

Thousands of years ago, the Greek pantheon made the RIAA look like pussies.
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Re: 1228: "Prometheus"

Postby CorruptUser » Fri Jun 21, 2013 11:23 am UTC

Ok, how do I fund this movie? I'm rubbing my money against the screen but nothing is happening!

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Re: 1228: "Prometheus"

Postby Angua » Fri Jun 21, 2013 11:27 am UTC

Diadem wrote:
Xavios wrote:
HungryHobo wrote:Re: the alt text. reminds me of the plot of the last hero.

The last hero in the world is going to return what the first hero stole.


With interest.


...came here to post a picture of that page. Goddamn that is a fantastic book. Well played.

Same here. That book is awesome. I guess that Randall hasn't read it, because his alt text is basically exactly the tagline of the book, only less well done.

The last hero is going to return what the first hero stole, with a vengeance. Love it. Cohen is an all around awesome character anyway.

Another one for coming here to say, 'It's already been done!'.
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Re: 1228: "Prometheus"

Postby Angelastic » Fri Jun 21, 2013 11:32 am UTC

So I guess I'm allowed to copy books with a Kindle Fire.

Or kindle fire with copybooks, whatever.
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Re: 1228: "Prometheus"

Postby Dr. Diaphanous » Fri Jun 21, 2013 12:02 pm UTC

I've started learning python at Codeacademy and this comic gave me a GOOMHR as was thinking about ol' Prometheus just yesterday.

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from gods import fire

Zeus = "angry"

while Zeus == "angry":
    Prometheus.remove("liver")
    Prometheus.append("liver")
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Re: 1228: "Prometheus"

Postby orthogon » Fri Jun 21, 2013 12:41 pm UTC

The Abrahamic god Yahweh, on the other hand, is understood to have released his first project, Light, under a copyleft arrangement1. Unfortunately He didn't provide documentation or source code. Only since elite hackers such as Maxwell and Einstein have we been able to understand more about the implementation and gain access to some of the hidden functionality.

1 We don't know for sure because In The Beginning somebody just clicked through the EULA without reading it (obviously, it was pitch dark at the time so it was kind of hard to read).
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Re: 1228: "Prometheus"

Postby brandbarth » Fri Jun 21, 2013 1:16 pm UTC

orthogon wrote:without reading it


Clicking "yes" also added the humanity toolbar :evil: which He failed to uninstall because of antediluvian hardware restrictions.
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Re: 1228: "Prometheus"

Postby cellocgw » Fri Jun 21, 2013 1:53 pm UTC

So, would it have been OK for Prometheus to license fire, for use in one fireplace only, and reconnecting to Olympus to validate his license on a daily basis?


I think the real problem was that Prometheus got ahold of some fire which could be duplicated and distributed, while the gods were only selling MonSantoFire, which can be used for breakfast and to start a dinner fire, but after that is incapable of spawning a new fire. (MonSantoFire is also impervious to TitanWater, a special water that puts out all other sources of heat).
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Re: 1228: "Prometheus"

Postby richP » Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:12 pm UTC

"I'm here to return what Prometheus stole."

Ugh, that's a George Lucas type of line. Looks good on paper, but just doesn't flow naturally when spoken. Better alternatives include:

"Prometheus says: 'Thanks for the fire!'"
"Prometheus has returned".
"Prometheus ain't got liver, but I've got the guts" (suitable for a prelude scene to the battle).
"Suck my fennel-stock!" (too cryptic?)

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Re: 1228: "Prometheus"

Postby Zylon » Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:17 pm UTC

Or as our Japanese-speaking friends call it, "fire sharing".

(I'm sorry, I'm so very sorry)

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Re: 1228: "Prometheus"

Postby KrytenKoro » Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:28 pm UTC

Zylon wrote:Or as our Japanese-speaking friends call it, "fire sharing".

(I'm sorry, I'm so very sorry)


You should be! That doesn't even work in Japanese.
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Re: 1228: "Prometheus"

Postby ijuin » Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:31 pm UTC

The real big deal on what Prometheus is said to have done is not so much that he took fire from the Gods and gave it to humans so that they could use the flame to light new fires (and use those fires to light more fires, and so on). The bigger deal is that Prometheus taught humans how to make fire from scratch by friction and by banging flints together. Using the DRM metaphor, this is like how artists are bypassing the publishers to sell directly to consumers.

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Re: 1228: "Prometheus"

Postby Rombobjörn » Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:34 pm UTC

Yep, I have long thought that fire is a good metaphor for explaining to luddites how copying isn't theft.

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Re: 1228: "Prometheus"

Postby DeadCatX2 » Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:41 pm UTC

This reminds me of how I once heard someone describe polyamory. Mono people view intimate love like a cup of water; if you give to more than one person, each person gets less water than they would if there was only one. For the poly heart, however, all love is like fire. When you light a third candle, it does not somehow diminish the flame of the second.

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Re: 1228: "Prometheus"

Postby eran_rathan » Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:42 pm UTC

richP wrote:"I'm here to return what Prometheus stole."

Ugh, that's a George Lucas type of line. Looks good on paper, but just doesn't flow naturally when spoken. Better alternatives include:

"Prometheus says: 'Thanks for the fire!'"
"Prometheus has returned".
"Prometheus ain't got liver, but I've got the guts" (suitable for a prelude scene to the battle).
"Suck my fennel-stock!" (too cryptic?)



[scene: Arthur Dent, as played by Martin Freeman, attempting to be badass]
"I'm here to kick ass and return your fire, and I've run out of...oh...oh, damn, it went out."
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"Squirrels are crazy enough to be test pilots."
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Re: 1228: "Prometheus"

Postby Pfhorrest » Fri Jun 21, 2013 4:21 pm UTC

KrytenKoro wrote:
Zylon wrote:Or as our Japanese-speaking friends call it, "fire sharing".

(I'm sorry, I'm so very sorry)

You should be! That doesn't even work in Japanese.

Yeah, it should be "fire shaling".

(That pic is shale on fire, for the vision or mineralogically impaired).
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Re: 1228: "Prometheus"

Postby origimbo » Fri Jun 21, 2013 4:33 pm UTC

I actually went to the trouble of registering to vent my frustration at Randall now having prior art (in the alt-text) on an idea/line that had also occurred to me. Of course there's still the question of what all the other pantheons/deities get.

For the the Norse gods you might have:
"Hey Baldr; dodge this."
"We were hung from the tree of knowledge. The truth has cut us free."
"Thor wields the crushing hammer. I wield the hammer of justice."

For the Indian religions you could go with
"I'm here to balance your karma."
Which is probably a gross misrepresentation of the concept, but this meant to be a Michael Bay movie.

For the Judeo-Christian worldview I can only come up with bad puns involving the burning bush.

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Re: 1228: "Prometheus"

Postby Dunadan » Fri Jun 21, 2013 4:48 pm UTC

The alt-text also reminds me of the finale of The Mists of Everness, which features an attack by the U.S. Navy (planes, ships, and subs) on Acheron/Hell, as well as Prometheus himself showing up to help the heroes Macguyver a super-nuke for use in said attack.

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Re: 1228: "Prometheus"

Postby Carteeg_Struve » Fri Jun 21, 2013 5:20 pm UTC

eran_rathan wrote:[scene: Arthur Dent, as played by Martin Freeman, attempting to be badass]
"I'm here to kick ass and return your fire, and I've run out of...oh...oh, damn, it went out."


I misread that the first time as "as played by Morgan Freeman". The line reading started off a lot stronger. :mrgreen:

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Re: 1228: "Prometheus"

Postby eran_rathan » Fri Jun 21, 2013 5:29 pm UTC

Carteeg_Struve wrote:
eran_rathan wrote:[scene: Arthur Dent, as played by Martin Freeman, attempting to be badass]
"I'm here to kick ass and return your fire, and I've run out of...oh...oh, damn, it went out."


I misread that the first time as "as played by Morgan Freeman". The line reading started off a lot stronger. :mrgreen:


That would also be epic, though he's a little too froody to be Arthur - he could totally be Ford though.
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Re: 1228: "Prometheus"

Postby Flumble » Fri Jun 21, 2013 5:33 pm UTC

ijuin wrote:The real big deal on what Prometheus is said to have done is not so much that he took fire from the Gods and gave it to humans so that they could use the flame to light new fires (and use those fires to light more fires, and so on). The bigger deal is that Prometheus taught humans how to make fire from scratch by friction and by banging flints together. Using the DRM metaphor, this is like how artists are bypassing the publishers to sell directly to consumers.

So the internet/social media plays the role of Prometheus in this? And Evil Zeus is played by, say, the RIAA?

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Re: 1228: "Prometheus"

Postby Whizbang » Fri Jun 21, 2013 6:47 pm UTC

eran_rathan wrote:
Carteeg_Struve wrote:
eran_rathan wrote:[scene: Arthur Dent, as played by Martin Freeman, attempting to be badass]
"I'm here to kick ass and return your fire, and I've run out of...oh...oh, damn, it went out."


I misread that the first time as "as played by Morgan Freeman". The line reading started off a lot stronger. :mrgreen:


That would also be epic, though he's a little too froody to be Arthur - he could totally be Ford though.



I am pretty sure the movie also stars Janeane Garofalo.

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Re: 1228: "Prometheus"

Postby MonkeyBoy » Fri Jun 21, 2013 7:40 pm UTC

Alternate title suggestion: Prometheupster.

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Re: 1228: "Prometheus"

Postby Flammifer » Fri Jun 21, 2013 7:52 pm UTC

The appropriate song for this is of course "Fire In The Sky", by Jordin Kare.

Prometheus, they say, brought God's fire down to man
And we've caught it, tamed it, trained it since our history began
Now we're going back to Heaven just to look Him in the eye
And there's a thunder 'cross the land and a fire in the sky

Gagarin was the first back in 1961
When, like Icarus, undaunted, he climbed to reach the sun
And he knew he might not make it, for it's never hard to die
But he lifted off the pad and rode a fire in the sky

Yet a higher goal was calling and we vowed to reach it soon
And we gave ourselves a decade to put fire on the moon
And Apollo told the world we can do it if we try
There was one small step and a fire in the sky

Then two decades from Gagarin, twenty years to the day
Came a shuttle named Columbia to open up the way
And they said she's just a truck, but she's a truck that's aimin' high
See her big jets burning, see her fire in the sky

Yet the gods do not give lightly of the powers they have made
And with Challenger and seven, once again the price is paid
Though a nation watched her falling, yet a world could only cry
As they passed from us to glory, riding fire in the sky

Now the rest is up to us - there's a future to be won
We must turn our faces outward, we will do what must be done
For no cradle lasts forever, every bird must learn to fly
And we're goin' to the stars, see our fire in the sky
Yes, we're going to the stars, see our fire in the sky


It's on YouTube and Grooveshark, but it seems I can't post any links...


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