1228: "Prometheus"

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Re: 1228: "Prometheus"

Postby Amberglas » Fri Jun 21, 2013 8:34 pm UTC

Eutychus wrote:
HungryHobo wrote:Give a man a fish, he owes you one fish. Teach a man to fish, you give up your monopoly on fisheries.

Your sig seems strangely apposite to the debate.


Another Pratchett reference seems appropriate here:
“Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day, but set fire to him and he's warm for the rest of his life.”
― Terry Pratchett, Jingo

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Re: 1228: "Prometheus"

Postby dii » Fri Jun 21, 2013 10:09 pm UTC

orthogon wrote:
rhomboidal wrote:Infernos were the first BitTorrent.

They settled Intellectual Property disputes a little differently in those days. Even the worst patent trolls have yet to insist on the infringer's liver being pecked out by an eagle for eternity.


Give it a couple of years...

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Re: 1228: "Prometheus"

Postby edzieba » Fri Jun 21, 2013 11:01 pm UTC

"'I'm here to return what Prometheus stole.' would be a good thing to say if you were a fighter pilot in a Michael Bay movie where for some reason the world's militaries had to team up to defeat every god from human mythology, and you'd just broken through the perimeter and gotten a missile lock on Mount Olympus."
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Re: 1228: "Prometheus"

Postby AlexTheSeal » Fri Jun 21, 2013 11:39 pm UTC

DeadCatX2 wrote:This reminds me of how I once heard someone describe polyamory. Mono people view intimate love like a cup of water; if you give to more than one person, each person gets less water than they would if there was only one. For the poly heart, however, all love is like fire. When you light a third candle, it does not somehow diminish the flame of the second.


Unless you leave the first and second candle standing in the cold, cold rain outside the club while you leave by another exit to pay special attention to the third one's wick.

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Re: 1228: "Prometheus"

Postby Diadem » Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:06 am UTC

One of the best quotes from The Last Hero:
Terry Prachett in The Last Hero wrote:And in a place on no map the immortal Prometheus, bringer of fire, lay on his eternal rock.
Memory can play tricks after the first ten thousand years, and he wasn't quite sure what had happened. There had been some old men on horseback, who'd swooped out of the sky. They'd cut his chains, and given him a drink, and had taken it in turns to shake his withered hand.
Then they'd ridden away, into the stars, as quickly as they'd come.
Prometheus lay back into the shape his body had worn into the stone over the centuries. He wasn't quite sure about the men, or why they'd come, or why they'd been so happy. He was only sure, in fact, about two things.
He was sure it was nearly dawn.
He was sure that he held, in his right hand, the very sharp sword the old men had given him.
And he could hear, coming closer with the dawn, the beat of an eagle's wings.
He was going to enjoy this.
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Re: 1228: "Prometheus"

Postby StClair » Sat Jun 22, 2013 1:12 am UTC

edzieba:
Salvation War was also what I was going to mention, after reading the mouseover text.

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Re: 1228: "Prometheus"

Postby Tolf » Sat Jun 22, 2013 3:04 am UTC

Fire = Information

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Re: 1228: "Prometheus"

Postby KrytenKoro » Sat Jun 22, 2013 4:50 am UTC

Mazda, not prometheus.

Also, fire = faia, file = fairu. Sharing is the same, sharingu.
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Re: 1228: "Prometheus"

Postby NotAllThere » Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:22 am UTC

The gods only had themselves to blame. First they produced fire, and then, just as the patent was about to expire, they got FDA approval for single enantiomer fire, knowing the stupid humans would lap it up, since their only real concern was whether people want fire that can be fitted nasally.
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Re: 1228: "Prometheus"

Postby Pfhorrest » Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:24 am UTC

KrytenKoro wrote:Also, fire = faia, file = fairu. Sharing is the same, sharingu.

It's a joke on the American misunderstanding of the way Japanese phonology corresponds to English phonology with respect to various "r" and "l" sounds. Nobody is actually trying to write the Romaji for the Japanese pronunciation of the English words, we're just swapping "l"s and "r"s for the sake of humor.

Or in Japanese: It's a joke on the Amelican misundelstanding of the way Japanese phonorogy collesponds to Engrish phonorogy with lespect to valious "l" and "r" sounds. Nobody is actuarry tlying to wlite the Romaji fol the Japanese plonunciation of the Engrish wolds, we'le just swapping "r"s and "l"s fol the sake of humol.
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Re: 1228: "Prometheus"

Postby Tolf » Sat Jun 22, 2013 7:17 am UTC

Pfhorrest wrote:
KrytenKoro wrote:Also, fire = faia, file = fairu. Sharing is the same, sharingu.

It's a joke on the American misunderstanding of the way Japanese phonology corresponds to English phonology with respect to various "r" and "l" sounds. Nobody is actually trying to write the Romaji for the Japanese pronunciation of the English words, we're just swapping "l"s and "r"s for the sake of humor.

Or in Japanese: It's a joke on the Amelican misundelstanding of the way Japanese phonorogy collesponds to Engrish phonorogy with lespect to valious "l" and "r" sounds. Nobody is actuarry tlying to wlite the Romaji fol the Japanese plonunciation of the Engrish wolds, we'le just swapping "r"s and "l"s fol the sake of humol.

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Re: 1228: "Prometheus"

Postby RAGBRAIvet » Sat Jun 22, 2013 7:56 am UTC

HungryHobo wrote:Re: the alt text. reminds me of the plot of the last hero.

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The last hero in the world is going to return what the first hero stole.


With interest.

Would it be bragging to admit that I have a hard-cover copy of that book, inscribed and autographed by not just Terry Pratchett but also by Paul Kidby??

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Re: 1228: "Prometheus"

Postby ve_ » Sat Jun 22, 2013 8:25 am UTC

long story short, i name all my networked devices after greek heros. my router happens to be prometheus. (my old one was hektor)
so yesterday it died again because of the heat went buggy and would not even bring up the config pager after several resets.. did a factory reset and started over and joked around how i stole the fire back.. anyway now i read the comic...


ps: let's kickstarter this movie after geting permission from randall. and we need a title. "the last hero" might work, maybe we could talk terry prattchet into it :D

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Re: 1228: "Prometheus"

Postby rmsgrey » Sat Jun 22, 2013 2:01 pm UTC

Just like fire, uncontrolled information spread can lead to very undesirable consequences...

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Re: 1228: "Prometheus"

Postby Diadem » Sat Jun 22, 2013 4:43 pm UTC

KrytenKoro wrote:Mazda, not prometheus.

Yeah, not sure why Pratchett changes the name, but I changed it back for clarity's sake, because without context it would just be strange otherwise.
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Re: 1228: "Prometheus"

Postby ijuin » Sat Jun 22, 2013 8:10 pm UTC

Pratchett uses different names for the Gods of the Disc in order to emphasize that even though they are similar to the Greco-Roman Gods, they are not the Greco-Roman Gods. Blind Io, for example, is an amalgam of descriptions of Zeus, Odin, and Thor.
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Re: 1228: "Prometheus"

Postby origimbo » Sat Jun 22, 2013 8:44 pm UTC

ve_ wrote:ps: let's kickstarter this movie after geting permission from randall. and we need a title. "the last hero" might work, maybe we could talk terry prattchet into it :D

I had a few, although lots of them probably run into legal difficulties:
'Olympic Fire' (or 'Olympic Lead')
'Rise of Humanity'
'Clash with the Titans'
'Per Ardua Ad Olympia'
'Ragnogeddon'
'Midnight of the Gods'

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Re: 1228: "Prometheus"

Postby JohnTheWysard » Sun Jun 23, 2013 12:12 am UTC

orthogon wrote:
rhomboidal wrote:Infernos were the first BitTorrent.

They settled Intellectual Property disputes a little differently in those days. Even the worst patent trolls have yet to insist on the infringer's liver being pecked out by an eagle for eternity.


And worse, having to wake up every morning to the vulture arriving and croaking, "Present for you from Zeus... Special de-livery!"

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Re: 1228: "Prometheus"

Postby Ken_g6 » Sun Jun 23, 2013 12:48 am UTC

This seems like a really bad example here in Colorado right now.

Also I just had a house fire. :(

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Re: 1228: "Prometheus"

Postby Klear » Sun Jun 23, 2013 1:38 am UTC

origimbo wrote:
ve_ wrote:ps: let's kickstarter this movie after geting permission from randall. and we need a title. "the last hero" might work, maybe we could talk terry prattchet into it :D

I had a few, although lots of them probably run into legal difficulties:
'Olympic Fire' (or 'Olympic Lead')
'Rise of Humanity'
'Clash with the Titans'
'Per Ardua Ad Olympia'
'Ragnogeddon'
'Midnight of the Gods'


I vote for Ragnogeddon, because that promises to be a grade A B movie.

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Re: 1228: "Prometheus"

Postby addams » Sun Jun 23, 2013 9:25 am UTC

Flammifer wrote:The appropriate song for this is of course "Fire In The Sky", by Jordin Kare.

Prometheus, they say, brought God's fire down to man
And we've caught it, tamed it, trained it since our history began
Now we're going back to Heaven just to look Him in the eye
And there's a thunder 'cross the land and a fire in the sky

Gagarin was the first back in 1961
When, like Icarus, undaunted, he climbed to reach the sun
And he knew he might not make it, for it's never hard to die
But he lifted off the pad and rode a fire in the sky

Yet a higher goal was calling and we vowed to reach it soon
And we gave ourselves a decade to put fire on the moon
And Apollo told the world we can do it if we try
There was one small step and a fire in the sky

Then two decades from Gagarin, twenty years to the day
Came a shuttle named Columbia to open up the way
And they said she's just a truck, but she's a truck that's aimin' high
See her big jets burning, see her fire in the sky

Yet the gods do not give lightly of the powers they have made
And with Challenger and seven, once again the price is paid
Though a nation watched her falling, yet a world could only cry
As they passed from us to glory, riding fire in the sky

Now the rest is up to us - there's a future to be won
We must turn our faces outward, we will do what must be done
For no cradle lasts forever, every bird must learn to fly
And we're goin' to the stars, see our fire in the sky
Yes, we're going to the stars, see our fire in the sky


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Re: 1228: "Prometheus"

Postby JeromeWest » Tue Jun 25, 2013 9:42 am UTC

orthogon wrote:Even the worst patent trolls have yet to insist on the infringer's liver being pecked out by an eagle for eternity.


I'm pretty certain that was one of the clauses in the Microsoft / Novell deal.

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Re: 1228: "Prometheus"

Postby Valius II » Tue Jun 25, 2013 9:53 am UTC

All we need to complete this Michael Bay movie is some GIANT CGI METAL MACHINES!!!

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Re: 1228: "Prometheus"

Postby ijuin » Tue Jun 25, 2013 5:06 pm UTC

JeromeWest wrote:
orthogon wrote:Even the worst patent trolls have yet to insist on the infringer's liver being pecked out by an eagle for eternity.


I'm pretty certain that was one of the clauses in the Microsoft / Novell deal.


Pecked out till you are dead, and then pecked out of your corpse, perhaps. I doubt that any clause involving resurrecting you so that it can be done all over again would be enforceable given present or near-future technology.

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Re: 1228: "Prometheus"

Postby PTGFlyer » Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:15 pm UTC

Am I the only person that thinks that would actually be a GREAT idea for a movie?

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Re: 1228: "Prometheus"

Postby Soupspoon » Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:52 pm UTC

(As we're necroed.)

Diadem wrote:
KrytenKoro wrote:Mazda, not prometheus.

Yeah, not sure why Pratchett changes the name, but I changed it back for clarity's sake, because without context it would just be strange otherwise.

ijuin wrote:Pratchett uses different names for the Gods of the Disc in order to emphasize that even though they are similar to the Greco-Roman Gods, they are not the Greco-Roman Gods. Blind Io, for example, is an amalgam of descriptions of Zeus, Odin, and Thor.

It'd be a reference to both Ahura Mazda, an alternate pantheon's figure with some fire-related associations (God of Light, by some interpretations), and the car company (whose name is apparently derived from the prior) which is... if not 'iconic'... certainly a known 'exotic' name for a distinctly unexotic brand of vehicle by Britons of a certain age. Thus typically usefully grist for the Pratchett wordmill.

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Re: 1228: "Prometheus"

Postby Quizatzhaderac » Mon Apr 24, 2017 3:44 pm UTC

eran_rathan wrote:[scene: Arthur Dent, as played by Martin Freeman, attempting to be badass]
"I'm here to kick ass and return your fire, and I've run out of...oh...oh, damn, it went out."
The hero, played entirely by CGI and voiced by Morgan Freeman, while facing a non-humanoid monster:

"I'm here to kick ass and return fire. ....and, you don't seem to have an ass?"
*Sets creature on fire*
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