1278: "Giraffes"

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1278: "Giraffes"

Postby Mikeski » Wed Oct 16, 2013 4:31 am UTC

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Re: 1278: "Giraffes"

Postby rhomboidal » Wed Oct 16, 2013 4:33 am UTC

Girachiosaurus!

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Re: 1278: "Giraffes"

Postby BlitzGirl » Wed Oct 16, 2013 4:34 am UTC

Giraptor!

(Yes, I know it's a sauropod tail. But I like the name. :D )
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Re: 1278: "Giraffes"

Postby Nuque » Wed Oct 16, 2013 4:42 am UTC

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Re: 1278: "Giraffes"

Postby poxic » Wed Oct 16, 2013 4:49 am UTC

When I first saw the giraffopod, I didn't twig that there was something not real about it.
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Re: 1278: "Giraffes"

Postby duefiori » Wed Oct 16, 2013 5:27 am UTC

So, where's the Kickstarter link?

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Re: 1278: "Giraffes"

Postby dms33 » Wed Oct 16, 2013 5:32 am UTC

I would fund the heck out of that kickstarter..

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Re: 1278: "Giraffes"

Postby Antior » Wed Oct 16, 2013 5:39 am UTC

Uh, such a big tail has quite an effect on the center of mass. All else being the same, I think this would happen:

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Re: 1278: "Giraffes"

Postby Pfhorrest » Wed Oct 16, 2013 6:00 am UTC

That's why the giraffe is leaning forward so much. Neck counterbalances tail. It worked for sauropods.
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Re: 1278: "Giraffes"

Postby BlitzGirl » Wed Oct 16, 2013 6:15 am UTC

I had to try drawing an unsilhouetted one:

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Re: 1278: "Giraffes"

Postby addams » Wed Oct 16, 2013 6:33 am UTC

That is darned cute.

When they change the tail, I hope they leave the tongue alone.
Those things have a Great tongue, now.

The tail is pathetic. The larger thicker tail is an attractive idea.
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Re: 1278: "Giraffes"

Postby Eternal Density » Wed Oct 16, 2013 6:35 am UTC

addams wrote:That is darned cute.

When they change the tail, I hope they leave the tongue alone.
Those things have a Great tongue, now.

The tail is pathetic. The larger thicker tail is an attractive idea.

There's something vaguely disturbing about your post. I'm not quite sure what it is though.

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Re: 1278: "Giraffes"

Postby BlitzGirl » Wed Oct 16, 2013 6:36 am UTC

Eternal Density wrote:
addams wrote:That is darned cute.

When they change the tail, I hope they leave the tongue alone.
Those things have a Great tongue, now.

The tail is pathetic. The larger thicker tail is an attractive idea.

There's something vaguely disturbing about your post. I'm not quite sure what it is though.

Great tongue and a thick, attractive tail?
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Re: 1278: "Giraffes"

Postby Evil Midnight Lurker » Wed Oct 16, 2013 7:02 am UTC

BlitzGirl wrote:
Eternal Density wrote:
addams wrote:That is darned cute.

When they change the tail, I hope they leave the tongue alone.
Those things have a Great tongue, now.

The tail is pathetic. The larger thicker tail is an attractive idea.

There's something vaguely disturbing about your post. I'm not quite sure what it is though.

Great tongue and a thick, attractive tail?

It's the necks. They're slender.

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Re: 1278: "Giraffes"

Postby da Doctah » Wed Oct 16, 2013 7:47 am UTC

Evil Midnight Lurker wrote:
BlitzGirl wrote:
Eternal Density wrote:
addams wrote:That is darned cute.

When they change the tail, I hope they leave the tongue alone.
Those things have a Great tongue, now.

The tail is pathetic. The larger thicker tail is an attractive idea.

There's something vaguely disturbing about your post. I'm not quite sure what it is though.

Great tongue and a thick, attractive tail?

It's the necks. They're slender.
It's not the necks. It's those sensuous long eyelashes.

That and the subsonic communication. Think Barry White to the nth degree.

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Re: 1278: "Giraffes"

Postby Djehutynakht » Wed Oct 16, 2013 8:13 am UTC

da Doctah wrote:
Evil Midnight Lurker wrote:
BlitzGirl wrote:
Eternal Density wrote:
addams wrote:That is darned cute.

When they change the tail, I hope they leave the tongue alone.
Those things have a Great tongue, now.

The tail is pathetic. The larger thicker tail is an attractive idea.

There's something vaguely disturbing about your post. I'm not quite sure what it is though.

Great tongue and a thick, attractive tail?

It's the necks. They're slender.
It's not the necks. It's those sensuous long eyelashes.

That and the subsonic communication. Think Barry White to the nth degree.



http://xkcd.com/604/

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Re: 1278: "Giraffes"

Postby orthogon » Wed Oct 16, 2013 8:33 am UTC

Djehutynakht wrote:
da Doctah wrote:
Evil Midnight Lurker wrote:
BlitzGirl wrote:
Eternal Density wrote:
addams wrote:That is darned cute.

When they change the tail, I hope they leave the tongue alone.
Those things have a Great tongue, now.

The tail is pathetic. The larger thicker tail is an attractive idea.

There's something vaguely disturbing about your post. I'm not quite sure what it is though.

Great tongue and a thick, attractive tail?

It's the necks. They're slender.
It's not the necks. It's those sensuous long eyelashes.

That and the subsonic communication. Think Barry White to the nth degree.



http://xkcd.com/604/

Apparently there are quite a few zoos where you are allowed to kiss the giraffes. I really can't work out how that's ok.
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Re: 1278: "Giraffes"

Postby katakombe » Wed Oct 16, 2013 8:44 am UTC

Am I the only one thinking that http://what-if.xkcd.com/44/ and http://what-if.xkcd.com/64/ should be modified to have the new Sauraffes in the graphics?

Also somebody go get that kickstarter running ASAP! 8-)

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Re: 1278: "Giraffes"

Postby 3rdtry » Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:11 am UTC

Unfortunately, we're still far away from being able to attach dinosaur tails to arbitrary animals. And when we are able to, I'm sure they'll pass some kind of international law to prevent it. Fucking governments always against progress.

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Re: 1278: "Giraffes"

Postby Ilze123 » Wed Oct 16, 2013 10:22 am UTC

made me think of this after the last few comments

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Re: 1278: "Giraffes"

Postby Klear » Wed Oct 16, 2013 10:48 am UTC

Ilze123 wrote:made me think of this after the last few comments

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Yeah, Evil Midnight Lurker linking to that comic also made me think about it.

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Re: 1278: "Giraffes"

Postby huangho » Wed Oct 16, 2013 12:18 pm UTC

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Re: 1278: "Giraffes"

Postby cellocgw » Wed Oct 16, 2013 1:30 pm UTC

BlitzGirl wrote:
Eternal Density wrote:There's something vaguely disturbing about your post. I'm not quite sure what it is though.

Great tongue and a thick, attractive tail?


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Re: 1278: "Giraffes"

Postby PinkShinyRose » Wed Oct 16, 2013 1:37 pm UTC

3rdtry wrote:Unfortunately, we're still far away from being able to attach dinosaur tails to arbitrary animals. And when we are able to, I'm sure they'll pass some kind of international law to prevent it. Fucking governments always against progress.

Well, they generally support progress, but only the wrong way... They love to develop new ways of murdering people, censoring communications, spreading their own propaganda and methods of following people through every step in their lives. And they like automating all those things (I think mostly because manual systems are rather expensive).

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Re: 1278: "Giraffes"

Postby orthogon » Wed Oct 16, 2013 1:59 pm UTC

PinkShinyRose wrote:
3rdtry wrote:Unfortunately, we're still far away from being able to attach dinosaur tails to arbitrary animals. And when we are able to, I'm sure they'll pass some kind of international law to prevent it. Fucking governments always against progress.

Well, they generally support progress, but only the wrong way... They love to develop new ways of murdering people, censoring communications, spreading their own propaganda and methods of following people through every step in their lives. And they like automating all those things (I think mostly because manual systems are rather expensive).

I suppose you could argue that the sauropod tail would make it easier for the giraffe to balance whilst wielding a machine gun.
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Re: 1278: "Giraffes"

Postby Giroofasaurus vexed » Wed Oct 16, 2013 4:22 pm UTC

I've been threatening to genetically engineer one of these for at least a decade - I even sketched out some designs and named my art company after my creation :)

Apparently this post was flagged as spam, maybe because I tried to link my website to show y'all my awesome Giroofasaurus vexed sketch.

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Re: 1278: "Giraffes"

Postby chenille » Wed Oct 16, 2013 5:44 pm UTC

rhomboidal wrote:Girachiosaurus!

They already changed the one Brachiosaurus to Giraffatitan, make of that what you will.

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Re: 1278: "Giraffes"

Postby ttscp » Wed Oct 16, 2013 7:12 pm UTC

Always act to increase the survival chances of the largest group you are a part of.

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Re: 1278: "Giraffes"

Postby troyp » Wed Oct 16, 2013 7:29 pm UTC

Giraffes with sauropod tails? What is this random nonsense, xkcd? I like dinosaurs (and giraffes) as much as the next guy, but seriously.

The poor things would knock themselves silly the first time they tried to shoo flies away.

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Re: 1278: "Giraffes"

Postby PinkShinyRose » Wed Oct 16, 2013 7:35 pm UTC


That would be difficult with a sauropod tail...

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Re: 1278: "Giraffes"

Postby Coyoty » Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:19 pm UTC

It needs to be steam-powered.

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Re: 1278: "Giraffes"

Postby Klear » Wed Oct 16, 2013 10:05 pm UTC

Giroofasaurus vexed wrote:I've been threatening to genetically engineer one of these for at least a decade - I even sketched out some designs and named my art company after my creation :)

Apparently this post was flagged as spam, maybe because I tried to link my website to show y'all my awesome Giroofasaurus vexed sketch.


It's because you neglected to read the forum rules.

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Re: 1278: "Giraffes"

Postby Farabor » Thu Oct 17, 2013 3:38 am UTC

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Re: 1278: "Giraffes"

Postby musashi1600 » Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:46 am UTC

Relevant Alpha Centauri quote:

Remember, genes are NOT blueprints. This means you can't, for example, insert "the genes for an elephant's trunk" into a giraffe and get a giraffe with a trunk. There are no genes for trunks. What you CAN do with genes is chemistry, since DNA codes for chemicals. For instance, we can in theory splice the native plants' talent for nitrogen fixation into a terran plant.

-Academician Prokhor Zakharov, "Nonlinear Genetics"


I'm pretty sure that has remained accurate over the past fourteen years, but someone else who knows more about genetics can elaborate on that.
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Re: 1278: "Giraffes"

Postby YellowYeti » Thu Oct 17, 2013 2:07 pm UTC

musashi1600 wrote:Relevant Alpha Centauri quote:

Remember, genes are NOT blueprints. This means you can't, for example, insert "the genes for an elephant's trunk" into a giraffe and get a giraffe with a trunk. There are no genes for trunks. What you CAN do with genes is chemistry, since DNA codes for chemicals. For instance, we can in theory splice the native plants' talent for nitrogen fixation into a terran plant.

-Academician Prokhor Zakharov, "Nonlinear Genetics"


I'm pretty sure that has remained accurate over the past fourteen years, but someone else who knows more about genetics can elaborate on that.


Ooh, a giraffe with a sauropod tail and an elephants trunk? I like your thinking! Can we give it eagles wings at the same time?

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Re: 1278: "Giraffes"

Postby orthogon » Thu Oct 17, 2013 3:42 pm UTC

musashi1600 wrote:Relevant Alpha Centauri quote:

Remember, genes are NOT blueprints. This means you can't, for example, insert "the genes for an elephant's trunk" into a giraffe and get a giraffe with a trunk. There are no genes for trunks. What you CAN do with genes is chemistry, since DNA codes for chemicals. For instance, we can in theory splice the native plants' talent for nitrogen fixation into a terran plant.

-Academician Prokhor Zakharov, "Nonlinear Genetics"


I'm pretty sure that has remained accurate over the past fourteen years, but someone else who knows more about genetics can elaborate on that.

Yes, I remember reading (probably in a Dawkins book) that what turns that chemistry into construction of physical structures is embryology, and that embryology wasn't (at the time at least) very well understood. But it seems to depends in part on the environment in which that construction takes place, which in the case of a mammal is the uterus of another mammal built from similar DNA, making the genes themselves a kind of recursive definition of the organism they produce. In other words, the DNA doesn't tell you how to make a giraffe from first principles: it tells you how to make a giraffe using another giraffe. Presumably there's a lot of information in the existing giraffe; is there potentially more than in the DNA itself?

BTW, "giraffe" totally stoppped sounding like a word.
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Re: 1278: "Giraffes"

Postby pkcommando » Thu Oct 17, 2013 3:49 pm UTC

dms33 wrote:I would fund the heck out of that kickstarter..

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I can't help but feel that if we are to truly give the Almighty the finger, there needs to be some platypus in there as well.
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Re: 1278: "Giraffes"

Postby Giroofasaurus vexed » Thu Oct 17, 2013 4:18 pm UTC

Klear wrote:
Giroofasaurus vexed wrote:I've been threatening to genetically engineer one of these for at least a decade - I even sketched out some designs and named my art company after my creation :)

Apparently this post was flagged as spam, maybe because I tried to link my website to show y'all my awesome Giroofasaurus vexed sketch.


It's because you neglected to read the forum rules.



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Re: 1278: "Giraffes"

Postby addams » Thu Oct 17, 2013 4:27 pm UTC

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herrerasaurus

Sometimes I forget.
How would we be able to tell a creature is a Lizard and not a Giraffe?
If we only had its bones? How would we tell?

Have you ever seen any bones?
Europeans can look at bones anytime they want.

They can look. They can't touch.
What a strange and wonderful idea!

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Someone would get hold of That and it could become the US 2nd amendment.
Carried away?? How?

Here in passage 18 it says, "The gentle air carries some away. The strong wind carries more."
Think about that for a moment.

The bones are carried away in the air. When the bones are gone we will be free.
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The sacred TeXt. Who reads that weird stuff, anyway?

Back to the bones:
I forget the difference between reptile bones and giraffe bones.

If I found some giraffe bones;
And, I had never seen nor heard of a giraffe I might think it was a Dinosaur, of some kind.

They have 'got' to have weird bones. They are even weirder when they are alive.
The famous Blue Tongue. weird and wonderful.
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The Europeans don't have land sharks.
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Land sharks don't usually school up like sharks will.
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I am glad Cows and Giraffe don't eat meat.

I still think they have a cool tongue.
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If a costume is required, stick out your tongue and say, "I am a giraffe."

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Re: 1278: "Giraffes"

Postby da Doctah » Thu Oct 17, 2013 5:25 pm UTC

YellowYeti wrote:Ooh, a giraffe with a sauropod tail and an elephants trunk? I like your thinking! Can we give it eagles wings at the same time?
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