1287: "Puzzle"

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1287: "Puzzle"

Postby Editer » Wed Nov 06, 2013 7:02 am UTC

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Title text: Prediction for Carlsen v. Anand: ... 25. Qb8+ Nxb8 26. Rd8# f6 27. "... dude." Qf5 28. "The game is over, dude." Qxg5 29. Rxe8 0-1 30. "Dude, your move can't be '0-1'. Don't write that down." [Black flips board]

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Re: 1287: "Puzzle"

Postby rhomboidal » Wed Nov 06, 2013 7:05 am UTC

This is why East/West religious-military conflicts are historically so hard to resolve.

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Re: 1287: "Puzzle"

Postby DBPZ » Wed Nov 06, 2013 7:15 am UTC

On on the grids and the other in the grids. They will never meet each other. Why bother?

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Re: 1287: "Puzzle"

Postby Eternal Density » Wed Nov 06, 2013 7:18 am UTC

Well it's better than sports metaphors. Football metaphors especially just don't hit it home for me.
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Re: 1287: "Puzzle"

Postby acegiak » Wed Nov 06, 2013 7:21 am UTC

Ok is the three bishops a part of the joke? It's confusing my attempt to work out how the game got to the stage it's at.

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Re: 1287: "Puzzle"

Postby Brilliand » Wed Nov 06, 2013 7:24 am UTC

Most chess pieces can capture diagonally, and it's possible to surround a square by placing pieces on all four corners, so I think there's some room for the sides to come into conflict. Though, that would require both sides to agree that this game is simultaneously chess and Go...

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Re: 1287: "Puzzle"

Postby da Doctah » Wed Nov 06, 2013 7:48 am UTC

I bid three no-trump.

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Re: 1287: "Puzzle"

Postby Istaro » Wed Nov 06, 2013 8:25 am UTC

Wait, did . . . did Randall just change the comic, removing the third bishop?

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Re: 1287: "Puzzle"

Postby WilliamLehnsherr » Wed Nov 06, 2013 8:27 am UTC

I'd assume so. I must have only read the updated comic, because I saw all the posts about the third bishop and was wondering what I was missing.

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Re: 1287: "Puzzle"

Postby Envelope Generator » Wed Nov 06, 2013 8:30 am UTC

Black's fuseki doesn't make any sense.
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Re: 1287: "Puzzle"

Postby Diadem » Wed Nov 06, 2013 8:36 am UTC

Your move can't be '0-1', but interestingly it can be '0-0'
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Re: 1287: "Puzzle"

Postby CharlieP » Wed Nov 06, 2013 8:47 am UTC

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Ch*rp it.

Postby Eternal Density » Wed Nov 06, 2013 9:04 am UTC

So the third bishop was m*stard?
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Re: 1287: "Puzzle"

Postby Noir_Desir » Wed Nov 06, 2013 9:31 am UTC

I think that Randall messing up chess comics at first is a running gag.

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Re: 1287: "Puzzle"

Postby Speicus » Wed Nov 06, 2013 9:33 am UTC

Who made the opening move in this game? I wonder how they agreed on that. White has made at least five moves, there are five black stones on the board... but we don't know which player got what handicap.

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Re: 1287: "Puzzle"

Postby ZNemesis » Wed Nov 06, 2013 9:45 am UTC

Speicus wrote:Who made the opening move in this game? I wonder how they agreed on that. White has made at least five moves, there are five black stones on the board... but we don't know which player got what handicap.


I was about to mention this, but you beat me to it. :(

Clearly the only reasonable conclusion is that since Black and White both have the first move, they play their moves simultaneously.

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Re: 1287: "Puzzle"

Postby Epsilon Rose » Wed Nov 06, 2013 10:05 am UTC

You know, I think that might actually make for an interesting game. The rules for the go pieces could probably remain largely unchanged (completely surround an enemy unit to capture it, place pieces where ever). I'm just not sure how to run the chess side of things. I think the rules would largely depend on what kind of asymmetrical fighting you were trying to simulate.

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Re: 1287: "Puzzle"

Postby solune » Wed Nov 06, 2013 10:13 am UTC

Speicus wrote:Who made the opening move in this game?

It's white's turn ("white to continue") and they both made 5 moves, so I believe white played first.

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Re: 1287: "Puzzle"

Postby Mikeski » Wed Nov 06, 2013 10:23 am UTC

The obvious follow-up moves would be for black to put houses on Park Place and Boardwalk, and for white to play Swords to Plowshares to exile one of black's pieces.

But that's playing small ball; it won't get either of them closer to Mornington Crescent.

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Re: 1287: "Puzzle"

Postby Graham Finch » Wed Nov 06, 2013 10:31 am UTC

Does anyone have a copy of the old comic with the third bishop? I missed out.

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Re: 1287: "Puzzle"

Postby Speicus » Wed Nov 06, 2013 10:40 am UTC

Mikeski wrote: [snip]
it won't get either of them closer to Mornington Crescent.


There's a new series coming up next week, I believe!

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Re: 1287: "Puzzle"

Postby flamewise » Wed Nov 06, 2013 11:00 am UTC

The finishing moves may be from an old classic, although the white opening doesn't match and it was 12 moves shorter, but the port "mattem" black moves match.

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Re: 1287: "Puzzle"

Postby Ironwood » Wed Nov 06, 2013 11:10 am UTC

If it were a chessboard as white contests, the King and Queen would be reversed. A white square would be on each players right and everyone knows the Queen stands on her own color.

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Re: 1287: "Puzzle"

Postby YellowYeti » Wed Nov 06, 2013 11:17 am UTC

Speicus wrote:
Mikeski wrote: [snip]
it won't get either of them closer to Mornington Crescent.


There's a new series coming up next week, I believe!


I hope they will be playing using XKCD rules this series.

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Re: 1287: "Puzzle"

Postby CharlieP » Wed Nov 06, 2013 12:03 pm UTC

Speicus wrote:
Mikeski wrote: [snip]
it won't get either of them closer to Mornington Crescent.


There's a new series coming up next week, I believe!


You have just made my week. :D

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Re: 1287: "Puzzle"

Postby Diadem » Wed Nov 06, 2013 12:12 pm UTC

Mikeski wrote:The obvious follow-up moves would be for black to put houses on Park Place and Boardwalk, and for white to play Swords to Plowshares to exile one of black's pieces.

But that's playing small ball; it won't get either of them closer to Mornington Crescent.

That reminds me of a SMBC Theatre sketch about the world poker championship. I'm at work here, so I can't look it up for you to provide a link, but googling those terms should probably lead you to it.

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Re: 1287: "Puzzle"

Postby eviloatmeal » Wed Nov 06, 2013 1:07 pm UTC

Mikeski wrote:The obvious follow-up moves would be for black to put houses on Park Place and Boardwalk, and for white to play Swords to Plowshares to exile one of black's pieces.

Clearly, Go pieces are artifacts, not creatures like Chess pieces, so you can't target them with Swords to Plowshares. Also, white owns Boardwalk (h2) with a pawn. You can't put houses on either of those without a monopoly, unless you're playing with "fast game" house rules, but clearly they are playing by Eighth Edition, Lyttelton revision rules.

To be fair, I don't think flipping the table is a legal move either. On the other hand, Anand is probably neither a very competent Go nor Mornington Crescent player, whereas Carlsen is THE best Chess player in the world (no patriotism intended :P ).
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Re: 1287: "Puzzle"

Postby Cousj001 » Wed Nov 06, 2013 1:16 pm UTC

Mikeski wrote:But that's playing small ball; it won't get either of them closer to Mornington Crescent.


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Re: 1287: "Puzzle"

Postby shokoshu » Wed Nov 06, 2013 2:00 pm UTC

flamewise wrote:The finishing moves may be from an old classic, although the white opening doesn't match and it was 12 moves shorter, but the port "mattem" black moves match.


Argh, you ninja'ed me. Immediately thought of the same. What's your ELO?

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Re: 1287: "Puzzle"

Postby Rufaellie » Wed Nov 06, 2013 2:01 pm UTC

I was literally *just* having a conversation with a friend in the comment sections of a chess-by-email game about the relative merits of starting a go-by-email game (it doesn't work out in the end, by the way). So, yeah, Randall get out of my game?
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Re: 1287: "Puzzle"

Postby Jackpot777 » Wed Nov 06, 2013 2:06 pm UTC

Mikeski wrote:it won't get either of them closer to Mornington Crescent.


Not with that attitude, it won't. Unless you're playing Armitage Rules. In which case: shame on you.

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Re: 1287: "Puzzle"

Postby cellocgw » Wed Nov 06, 2013 2:28 pm UTC

DBPZ wrote:On on the grids and the other in the grids. They will never meet each other. Why bother?


+2 Internets for that answer :mrgreen:

Tho' maybe the answer is 'what if they quantum tunnel?'
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Re: 1287: "Puzzle"

Postby cellocgw » Wed Nov 06, 2013 2:30 pm UTC

ZNemesis wrote:
Speicus wrote:Who made the opening move in this game? I wonder how they agreed on that. White has made at least five moves, there are five black stones on the board... but we don't know which player got what handicap.


I was about to mention this, but you beat me to it. :(

Clearly the only reasonable conclusion is that since Black and White both have the first move, they play their moves simultaneously.


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Re: 1287: "Puzzle"

Postby tquid » Wed Nov 06, 2013 2:47 pm UTC

Cousj001 wrote:
Mikeski wrote:But that's playing small ball; it won't get either of them closer to Mornington Crescent.


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Re: 1287: "Puzzle"

Postby Ironwood » Wed Nov 06, 2013 3:26 pm UTC

This is my second attempt to comment that the white King and Queen are reversed. On a chessboard one always has a white square on the near right corner.

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Re: 1287: "Puzzle"

Postby nitePhyyre » Wed Nov 06, 2013 3:55 pm UTC

ZNemesis wrote:Clearly the only reasonable conclusion is that since Black and White both have the first move, they play their moves simultaneously.
Actually, has anyone ever played simultaneous chess? Sounds like it could be fun.
Both players write down their moves on a piece of paper, then move their pieces at the same time. Could be mighty interesting.
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Re: 1287: "Puzzle"

Postby Kit. » Wed Nov 06, 2013 4:02 pm UTC

Ironwood wrote:On a chessboard one always has a white square on the near right corner.

Close, but... still no one mentioned that the board totally lacks black squares.

Or is it too obvious to mention?

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Re: 1287: "Puzzle"

Postby Klear » Wed Nov 06, 2013 4:10 pm UTC

nitePhyyre wrote:
ZNemesis wrote:Clearly the only reasonable conclusion is that since Black and White both have the first move, they play their moves simultaneously.
Actually, has anyone ever played simultaneous chess? Sounds like it could be fun.
Both players write down their moves on a piece of paper, then move their pieces at the same time. Could be mighty interesting.


There's this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kung-fu_chess

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Re: 1287: "Puzzle"

Postby ctdonath » Wed Nov 06, 2013 4:13 pm UTC

Kit. wrote:still no one mentioned that the board totally lacks black squares. Or is it too obvious to mention?

Yes, too obvious - just like the fact that a Go board has a whole lot more squares than that. (Oh, BTW: the "squares" on a proper Go board aren't.)

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Re: 1287: "Puzzle"

Postby cct » Wed Nov 06, 2013 4:48 pm UTC

King can capture any adjacent piece, bishop and pawn capture on the diagonal - but do they end up on the far side of the captured stone, or on the interstice?

Going back to very early rules for chess-pieces, you can still use these definitions of the queen's and knight's moves:

Queen can use a bishop's move or a rook's move. Knight can capture any piece in its 2-neighborhood that is not a queen's move.

It seems to me that the rook cannot capture in this game, and the queen is equivalent to a bishop.


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