1422: "My Phone is Dying"

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1422: "My Phone is Dying"

Postby Quizatzhaderac » Wed Sep 17, 2014 7:10 pm UTC

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When it explodes, it will cast off its outer layers, leaving behind nothing but a slowly fading PalmPilot, calculator, or two-way pager.

Barret-guy's phone is a dying star, which gets hotter both when fuel is added and when it runs out of fuel; because reasons.
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Re: 1422: "My Phone is Dying"

Postby PinkShinyRose » Wed Sep 17, 2014 7:32 pm UTC

What's a two-way pager? I thought a pager is the thing that rings when someone calls but requires you to take the call by calling them back with a phone, how does that work two ways? Wouldn't it then just be a phone?

I think this would fit better with the Samsung Galaxy Star (or Samsung Star, Star II or Star III).

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Re: 1422: "My Phone is Dying"

Postby rhomboidal » Wed Sep 17, 2014 7:41 pm UTC

Clearly, the iUniverse is expanding.

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Re: 1422: "My Phone is Dying"

Postby alanbbent » Wed Sep 17, 2014 7:43 pm UTC

I told someone on the plane that my LG G3 was the new iPhone. Nobody believed me, but a few heads turned, and since it has the same size screen, there were a few seconds before the realization set it.

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Re: 1422: "My Phone is Dying"

Postby rmsgrey » Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:22 pm UTC

PinkShinyRose wrote:What's a two-way pager? I thought a pager is the thing that rings when someone calls but requires you to take the call by calling them back with a phone, how does that work two ways? Wouldn't it then just be a phone?


The most basic pager is a box that beeps when someone somewhere else presses a button - more commonly, they'll display a short message or a phone number. The main difference between feature-rich pagers and cell phones is that pagers aren't tracked by the network - a page is either broadcast to the entire network, or not at all, while a cell phone is only contacted by the nearest tower.

A two-way pager, in particular, is designed to be able to send as well as receive pages - which can be simple preset codes or freely composed text messages (in principle, you could also send larger data files but that starts consuming excessive bandwidth)

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Re: 1422: "My Phone is Dying"

Postby The Devils Engineer » Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:51 pm UTC

Quizatzhaderac wrote:When it explodes, it will cast off its outer layers, leaving behind nothing but a slowly fading PalmPilot, calculator, or two-way pager.


Ahhhhhhh....a Palmpilot......one of the great tech tragedies of our time. You young'uns don't remember, but it was a wonderful productivity device (task list, phone list, stylus handwriting recognition, preliminary web connectivity via WiFi) perfectly suited for its task and supported by a motivated group of developers and enthusiasts. The Company was destroyed by shortsighted managers who failed to support its user base when problems started arising and who failed to integrate their product seamlessly with a cellphone. Apple's iPhone could have been crushed with a reliable Palm OS system mated to a cellphone. Alas, they only had one shot at it and they failed. I've still got one around somewhere.

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Re: 1422: "My Phone is Dying"

Postby Plasma Mongoose » Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:59 pm UTC

iPhones are now subject to the Chandrasekhar Limit? We're doomed I say... DOOMED!
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Re: 1422: "My Phone is Dying"

Postby ManaUser » Wed Sep 17, 2014 11:00 pm UTC

Okay, why would charging it make it die faster? I assume there's an astrophysics parallel, but I'm not thinking what that would be.

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Re: 1422: "My Phone is Dying"

Postby alanbbent » Wed Sep 17, 2014 11:05 pm UTC

The Devils Engineer wrote:Ahhhhhhh....a Palmpilot......one of the great tech tragedies of our time. You young'uns don't remember, but it was a wonderful productivity device (task list, phone list, stylus handwriting recognition, preliminary web connectivity via WiFi) perfectly suited for its task and supported by a motivated group of developers and enthusiasts. The Company was destroyed by shortsighted managers who failed to support its user base when problems started arising and who failed to integrate their product seamlessly with a cellphone. Apple's iPhone could have been crushed with a reliable Palm OS system mated to a cellphone. Alas, they only had one shot at it and they failed. I've still got one around somewhere.


YES. I got a Palm Pilot (well, a Sony Clie that ran Palm OS) when I was in high school, because it was such a good machine with a fantastic community. I saved up my money and did tons of research and decided that was the device I wanted. I was a huge nerd, of course, for having it. And then the iPhone came out and suddenly PDAs became cool???

Just typing the word "Clie" whooshes me back to the excitement of having that thing. Truly a revolutionary device. I wept when Palm was vaporized.

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Re: 1422: "My Phone is Dying"

Postby Pfhorrest » Thu Sep 18, 2014 12:16 am UTC

ManaUser wrote:Okay, why would charging it make it die faster? I assume there's an astrophysics parallel, but I'm not thinking what that would be.

More massive stars burn faster. Mass is also star fuel. So adding fuel to a star makes it burn faster -- and of course hotter and brighter in turn.
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Re: 1422: "My Phone is Dying"

Postby hamjudo » Thu Sep 18, 2014 1:11 am UTC

Quick, pair this phone with a neutron phone and form a tight binary phone system. The neutron phone can strip off the outer layers of the expanding phone to prevent it from exploding.

Note that a significant amount of energy will be released in the form of deadly xray radiation.

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Re: 1422: "My Phone is Dying"

Postby Ken_g6 » Thu Sep 18, 2014 2:44 am UTC

Oh, now I see why my Android phone hasn't done this. Mine's so cheap and low-powered (single-core ARMv7) that it's basically a red dwarf. :wink:

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Re: 1422: "My Phone is Dying"

Postby dtilque » Thu Sep 18, 2014 3:09 am UTC

hamjudo wrote:Quick, pair this phone with a neutron phone and form a tight binary phone system. The neutron phone can strip off the outer layers of the expanding phone to prevent it from exploding.


Don't have a neutron phone. Will a white dwarf phone do instead?



(Type I(a) superphone? I'm unfamiliar with that model. What's it do?)
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Re: 1422: "My Phone is Dying"

Postby KittenKaboodle » Thu Sep 18, 2014 3:26 am UTC

Pfhorrest wrote:
ManaUser wrote:Okay, why would charging it make it die faster? I assume there's an astrophysics parallel, but I'm not thinking what that would be.

More massive stars burn faster. Mass is also star fuel. So adding fuel to a star makes it burn faster -- and of course hotter and brighter in turn.


I knew that, but with 5V at ~1A, it will be gaining something in the neighborhood of a gram per millennium right? (give or take a few orders of magnitude, call it a "What if" estimate).

"What If" I plugged my Nissan Leaf directly into Hover dam, how long would it take to turn it into an electric Humvee?

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Re: 1422: "My Phone is Dying"

Postby chris857 » Thu Sep 18, 2014 3:54 am UTC

hamjudo wrote:Quick, pair this phone with a neutron phone and form a tight binary phone system. The neutron phone can strip off the outer layers of the expanding phone to prevent it from exploding.

Note that a significant amount of energy will be released in the form of deadly xray radiation.


Aw shucks, then the phone would be shown to cause cancer.

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Re: 1422: "My Phone is Dying"

Postby vodka.cobra » Thu Sep 18, 2014 4:34 am UTC

When I saw the title, I couldn't help but remember the "Im dying Squirtle" pictures from 4chan circa '09
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Re: 1422: "My Phone is Dying"

Postby Djehutynakht » Thu Sep 18, 2014 6:19 am UTC

Oh Beret Guy....


Everyone knows that all iPhones are black holes.

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Re: 1422: "My Phone is Dying"

Postby bachaddict » Thu Sep 18, 2014 6:42 am UTC

KittenKaboodle wrote:
Pfhorrest wrote:
ManaUser wrote:Okay, why would charging it make it die faster? I assume there's an astrophysics parallel, but I'm not thinking what that would be.

More massive stars burn faster. Mass is also star fuel. So adding fuel to a star makes it burn faster -- and of course hotter and brighter in turn.


I knew that, but with 5V at ~1A, it will be gaining something in the neighborhood of a gram per millennium right? (give or take a few orders of magnitude, call it a "What if" estimate).

"What If" I plugged my Nissan Leaf directly into Hover dam, how long would it take to turn it into an electric Humvee?

The Hover Dam? That would get you a blimp. :lol:
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Re: 1422: "My Phone is Dying"

Postby eviloatmeal » Thu Sep 18, 2014 11:42 am UTC

dtilque wrote:Don't have a neutron phone.

Small, dense, nearly indestructible? I had one of those:
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Re: 1422: "My Phone is Dying"

Postby KarenRei » Thu Sep 18, 2014 12:33 pm UTC

ManaUser wrote:Okay, why would charging it make it die faster? I assume there's an astrophysics parallel, but I'm not thinking what that would be.


Most simply, whatever form you inject energy into a star (or in this case, the stellar-equivalent iPhone), it ends up as heat. The hotter a star's core is, the faster fusion occurs, and thus the sooner it reaches its demise. Energy is also mass, and mass in a star equals gravitational compression, which equals higher fusion rates.

Comparing the rates of influx from a charger is irrelevant, since he wasn't talking about connecting a charger to a star, but to an iPhone thats behaving like a star.
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Re: 1422: "My Phone is Dying"

Postby KarenRei » Thu Sep 18, 2014 12:35 pm UTC

eviloatmeal wrote:
dtilque wrote:Don't have a neutron phone.

Small, dense, nearly indestructible? I had one of those:
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Of course, the reality would be just the opposite. Neutron stars are only stable because of the intense gravitation at their surface. If you had a chunk of neutron star on Earth's surface (such as a "neutron phone"), it's instantly explode and take out you and the city you live in.

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Re: 1422: "My Phone is Dying"

Postby Quizatzhaderac » Thu Sep 18, 2014 2:16 pm UTC

KittenKaboodle wrote:I knew that, but with 5V at ~1A, it will be gaining something in the neighborhood of a gram per millennium right? (give or take a few orders of magnitude, call it a "What if" estimate).

The point where analogy breaks down is that adding more fuel causes the star to burn faster. Charging a phone converts spent fuel back into usable fuel, converting the helium on a star back into hydrogen would also lengthen the star's life.

Adding mass geometrically increases a star's binding energy, therefore increasing it's heat geometrically relative to the fuel added. There's more fuel, but at a higher temperature so each kg of fuel supports more fusion.
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Re: 1422: "My Phone is Dying"

Postby Beavertails » Thu Sep 18, 2014 2:43 pm UTC

That expansion explanation also describes what happened to
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Re: 1422: "My Phone is Dying"

Postby Quizatzhaderac » Thu Sep 18, 2014 3:28 pm UTC

Nah, the TARDIS was always that huge size. The Doctor explained it to Leela one episode: the TARDIS is actually just far away. In the episode to which you refer, it's the same angular size as always, but you have the rare ability to see the visual cues that tell you it's a huge police box far away, rather than a regular one close up.
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Re: 1422: "My Phone is Dying"

Postby Pfhorrest » Thu Sep 18, 2014 5:45 pm UTC

I've thought, ever since that Trenzalore episode, that if the TARDIS can be different sizes, it should be shrunk down to pocket-size after exiting, so the Doctor can just carry it around with him everywhere instead of leaving it parked in some random quarry on some random alien planet.
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Re: 1422: "My Phone is Dying"

Postby Flumble » Thu Sep 18, 2014 5:53 pm UTC

Pfhorrest wrote:I've thought, ever since that Trenzalore episode, that if the TARDIS can be different sizes, it should be shrunk down to pocket-size after exiting, so the Doctor can just carry it around with him everywhere instead of leaving it parked in some random quarry on some random alien planet.

Of course he can, but he'll only do that once when it's absolutely redundant necessary for the plot and Davies a writer feels like it and the budget allows for the CGI shots. :P

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Re: 1422: "My Phone is Dying"

Postby orthogon » Thu Sep 18, 2014 6:05 pm UTC

Flumble wrote:
Pfhorrest wrote:I've thought, ever since that Trenzalore episode, that if the TARDIS can be different sizes, it should be shrunk down to pocket-size after exiting, so the Doctor can just carry it around with him everywhere instead of leaving it parked in some random quarry on some random alien planet.

Of course he can, but he'll only do that once when it's absolutely redundant necessary for the plot and Davies a writer feels like it and the budget allows for the CGI shots. :P

Maybe its size changes but its mass remains constant? That would be a bugger to carry around.

Also, inevitably: "Is that a TARDIS in your pocket or are you just pleased to see me?"
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Re: 1422: "My Phone is Dying"

Postby HES » Thu Sep 18, 2014 6:23 pm UTC

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Re: 1422: "My Phone is Dying"

Postby Coyoty » Thu Sep 18, 2014 9:00 pm UTC

Pfhorrest wrote:I've thought, ever since that Trenzalore episode, that if the TARDIS can be different sizes, it should be shrunk down to pocket-size after exiting, so the Doctor can just carry it around with him everywhere instead of leaving it parked in some random quarry on some random alien planet.


But then there's the risk of some animal swallowing it and... Oh. Never mind.

If the TARDIS were pocket-sized, then would anyone still inside exit pocket-sized, or normalize their dimensions upon exiting? It would be awkward to have someone explode from your pocket. The TARDIS probably has safeguards against that.

Back to stellar phones, could smart watches be considered moons?

I have an entire GALAXY in MY pocket. I hope an alien war fleet's not looking for it.

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Re: 1422: "My Phone is Dying"

Postby Quizatzhaderac » Thu Sep 18, 2014 9:20 pm UTC

Coyoty wrote:If the TARDIS were pocket-sized, then would anyone still inside exit pocket-sized, or normalize their dimensions upon exiting?
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Re: 1422: "My Phone is Dying"

Postby Pfhorrest » Thu Sep 18, 2014 9:32 pm UTC

There's an old Third Doctor & Jo Grant episode where some people have a device called a Miniscope with a compression field described very similarly to what the Eleventh Doctors says about the dying TARDIS on Trenzalore. The TARDIS itself somehow lands in the compressed space inside of it, which I guess is possible in the same way that a TARDIS can materialize inside of another TARDIS (which may itself in turn be inside the first TARDIS, as happened to the Doctor and Master's TARDIS's once… or just directly inside itself, as happened in a pair of minisodes from the Eleventh Doctor's era). The Miniscope was apparently banned by the Time Lords a long while back (but this pair of yokels somehow got their hands on one from a garage sale or something like that) which suggests it probably is similar technology; in fact I think the Third Doctor may even say as much, that the Miniscope's compression field is similar to what makes a TARDIS bigger on the inside.

Anyway, in that episode, various people and things manage to manually exit the Miniscope, and when they do so they are still miniaturized, but within seconds begin to grow back to their usual size as "the compression field wears off" or something to that effect. I'd think that if the TARDIS were to shrink in size (and everyone inside with it), anyone exiting it at that smaller size would react similarly: come out tiny, then quickly grow as the compression field wears off.

When I saw the title of the recent episode "Into the Dalek", I immediately joked that it would turn out that the TARDIS can change size at will like the Magic Schoolbus (Ms. Frizzle is a Time Lady, after all), and Twelve was going to take Clara on an exciting adventure in the Dalek's large intestine.
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Re: 1422: "My Phone is Dying"

Postby rmsgrey » Fri Sep 19, 2014 1:03 am UTC

Trenzalore was described as the TARDIS' "bigger-on-the-inside" leaking a bit...

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Re: 1422: "My Phone is Dying"

Postby Morgan Wick » Sat Sep 20, 2014 3:41 am UTC

alanbbent wrote:
The Devils Engineer wrote:Ahhhhhhh....a Palmpilot......one of the great tech tragedies of our time. You young'uns don't remember, but it was a wonderful productivity device (task list, phone list, stylus handwriting recognition, preliminary web connectivity via WiFi) perfectly suited for its task and supported by a motivated group of developers and enthusiasts. The Company was destroyed by shortsighted managers who failed to support its user base when problems started arising and who failed to integrate their product seamlessly with a cellphone. Apple's iPhone could have been crushed with a reliable Palm OS system mated to a cellphone. Alas, they only had one shot at it and they failed. I've still got one around somewhere.


YES. I got a Palm Pilot (well, a Sony Clie that ran Palm OS) when I was in high school, because it was such a good machine with a fantastic community. I saved up my money and did tons of research and decided that was the device I wanted. I was a huge nerd, of course, for having it. And then the iPhone came out and suddenly PDAs became cool???

You do realize you just revealed yourself to be a complete hipster, right?


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