Vanzetti wrote:Is it just me, or is Randall starting to exhibit the symptoms of the SJW-plague? I don't want XKCD to go in the direction of Sinfest...
Hi. Randy has always (or, well, probably not always, but for most recent memory) been a feminist, anti-racist, and whatever other causes you're lumping under "SJW-plague". I don't understand how you could read his comic regularly and not infer that, but let me now state it blatantly: you may cease worrying, it's already happened, and it is glorious.
thearbiter wrote:Ugh - I really don't agree with the sentiment behind this comic. Debate can be as much as a hobby as golf or Skyrim or whatever the cool kids are getting up to nowadays, and if the person you are with knows that you are engaging in debate for the intellectual fun of the thing there is no problem.
The thing is, that last phrase is the most important one, and it needs to go further: the other person needs to not only know
that you enjoy playing these little debate games, they need to also enjoy them.
The reason "devil's advocate" and "the sake of argument" catch a lot of flak is because it's often a "game" that only one
person in the exchange has consented to play. One or more people are trying to have a serious discussion, or talk about real things in their lives, and (without asking if they're okay with it) some third party has decided to use that discussion (which is sometimes quite emotionally charged!) to play a game
Some people find this really irritating.
The "devil's advocate" game gets increasingly irritating when played with one or more of the following variants:
-The devil's advocate player only mentions that they are playing halfway through the argument when they suddenly feel the need to distance themselves from a patently loathsome position
-The devil's advocate player is a privileged person with no personal stake in the discussion, arguing with one or more less-privileged people about an issue that directly affects their lives.
-The devil's advocate player, believing they are only playing a game with no consequences, derides the other participants for their inability to remain "calm and detached" about issues that affect them.
Invertin wrote:The main reason you may not have seen the term taken seriously is because you don't hang out on tumblr enough.
I assure you, Gmal and I hang out on tumblr plenty
Though I find his usage habits completely bewildering, but that's a story for another thread.