1502: “Wasted Time”

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1502: “Wasted Time”

Postby Qaanol » Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:08 am UTC

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Title: “Since it sounds like your time spent typing can't possibly be less productive than your time spent not typing, have you tried typing SLOWER?”

http://xkcd.com/1502/

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Re: 1502: “Wasted Time”

Postby rhomboidal » Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:16 am UTC

Opening and closing Google News is the flipping light switches on and off for the Information Age OCD-er.

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Re: 1502: “Wasted Time”

Postby AutumnThunder » Mon Mar 23, 2015 5:56 am UTC

Is this the first time white-hat-guy has been portrayed to have some good insight? I don't remember it before.

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Re: 1502: “Wasted Time”

Postby Keiji » Mon Mar 23, 2015 6:24 am UTC

Ah, a problem I've had for a long time... typing faster than I can think, so I end up typing gibberish and backspacing it out...

I also open and close web pages repeatedly without reading them :(

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Re: 1502: “Wasted Time”

Postby Eternal Density » Mon Mar 23, 2015 6:27 am UTC

I think the time spend talking to White Hat Guy is wasted.

Also this is not a sequel to Time. Why? :(
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Re: 1502: “Wasted Time”

Postby Kit. » Mon Mar 23, 2015 8:30 am UTC

Title: “Since it sounds like your time spent typing can't possibly be less productive than your time spent not typing,

As if you'd be typing the same amount of keystrokes no matter what your typing speed were?

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Re: 1502: “Wasted Time”

Postby Kozmo » Mon Mar 23, 2015 8:36 am UTC

AutumnThunder wrote:Is this the first time white-hat-guy has been portrayed to have some good insight? I don't remember it before.


Wondering the same. Could it be a different white hat guy? :| Or the deeper meaning of the comic is that everyone could occasionally have some good insight?

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Re: 1502: “Wasted Time”

Postby sfmans » Mon Mar 23, 2015 9:25 am UTC

I can't find it now, but over the weekend I was reading an online discussion of Windows 8 and Windows 10 where one particularly splenetic contributor was maintaining that the main problem

- the main problem, honestly -

with Windows 8 was that a particular keyboard layout was only available through third-party installs rather than as a native Windows keyboard layout.

Actually, maybe Randall was reading the same discussion when he came up with this cartoon.

If I find it (it'll be in my home machine's browser history) I'll update this post with the link ...

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Re: 1502: “Wasted Time”

Postby bachaddict » Mon Mar 23, 2015 9:49 am UTC

Eternal Density wrote:I think the time spend talking to White Hat Guy is wasted.

Also this is not a sequel to Time. Why? :(

Randall doesn't want us wasting Time waiting for a single darkening pixel again!
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Re: 1502: “Wasted Time”

Postby Neil_Boekend » Mon Mar 23, 2015 10:08 am UTC

bachaddict wrote:
Eternal Density wrote:I think the time spend talking to White Hat Guy is wasted.

Also this is not a sequel to Time. Why? :(

Randall doesn't want us wasting Time waiting for a single darkening pixel again!

Then'll well spend our days waiting for darkening pixels to wait for.
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Re: 1502: “Wasted Time”

Postby da Doctah » Mon Mar 23, 2015 10:30 am UTC

That hour you reset your clock twice a year? Isn't that the very definition of wasted time? As in "time that you could have had but you just threw it away"?

(Alternative observation: any time spent being wasted is never wasted time.)

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Re: 1502: “Wasted Time”

Postby orthogon » Mon Mar 23, 2015 10:32 am UTC

sfmans wrote:I can't find it now, but over the weekend I was reading an online discussion of Windows 8 and Windows 10 where one particularly splenetic contributor was maintaining that the main problem

- the main problem, honestly -

with Windows 8 was that a particular keyboard layout was only available through third-party installs rather than as a native Windows keyboard layout.


This is the main problem with software/OS issues: whilst you can find plenty of people who are cross about aspects of a product, we just don't seem to agree on what the priority should be. Geeks are probably worse than most, since we each have our own highly specialised way of using a product and hence our own highly specific gripes. For me, the big ones are the bug-ridden grid in MS Office products and the failure to default to "only label and number" for cross-references in Word. But whenever I raise these (e.g. on this forum) nobody else seems to care; presumably they're too busy fuming that you can't use a Dvorak keyboard with Excel or whatever their bugbear happens to be.
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Re: 1502: “Wasted Time”

Postby Quercus » Mon Mar 23, 2015 11:35 am UTC

orthogon wrote:
sfmans wrote:I can't find it now, but over the weekend I was reading an online discussion of Windows 8 and Windows 10 where one particularly splenetic contributor was maintaining that the main problem

- the main problem, honestly -

with Windows 8 was that a particular keyboard layout was only available through third-party installs rather than as a native Windows keyboard layout.


This is the main problem with software/OS issues: whilst you can find plenty of people who are cross about aspects of a product, we just don't seem to agree on what the priority should be. Geeks are probably worse than most, since we each have our own highly specialised way of using a product and hence our own highly specific gripes. For me, the big ones are the bug-ridden grid in MS Office products and the failure to default to "only label and number" for cross-references in Word. But whenever I raise these (e.g. on this forum) nobody else seems to care; presumably they're too busy fuming that you can't use a Dvorak keyboard with Excel or whatever their bugbear happens to be.


This is why customizability and extensibility are good things.

My specific gripe - the inability to use vim-like modal editing everywhere. I want vim keybindings in Microsoft Word (yes I know you can get it for Windows, I need it for Word 2011 on OSX)*, in Outlook and especially in Spyder (an otherwise great IDE designed for interactive data-munging and visualisation in python).

Basically IMO every text entry on any computer, in any program, anywhere, should have vim-style keybindings available.

* cue the 10,000 posts telling me I should write in Latex. Yes, I know, that's not the issue, the issue is whether my supervisor is willing to edit/correct my thesis in Latex (no, he's not, I asked him).

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Re: 1502: “Wasted Time”

Postby Sean Quixote » Mon Mar 23, 2015 7:05 pm UTC

Something something "find yourself" yadda... meh.

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Re: 1502: “Wasted Time”

Postby rmsgrey » Mon Mar 23, 2015 10:59 pm UTC

It's not just wasting time - it's wasting time efficiently!

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Re: 1502: “Wasted Time”

Postby WanderingLinguist » Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:11 am UTC

I generally find that I think much faster than I type, so if a keyboard is too slow and inconvenient, I get frustrated and don't actually end up typing anything. I absolutely love that OS X Yosemite lets me use my real keyboard to send real text messages, and I've been know to wait until I get home to text someone because the touchscreen keyboard makes me impatient. I know the saved time isn't all that much, but the saved annoyance surely is. At least for me.

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Re: 1502: “Wasted Time”

Postby neoliminal » Tue Mar 24, 2015 3:13 am UTC

If I could have all the time back I lost from fixing "automatic text" on my swipe keyboard, I'd be a million ... no, wait, I'd be someone with more time.

Dammit, I needed to make that into a money thing at the start of the sentence. Where's the backspace on this keyboard?
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Re: 1502: “Wasted Time”

Postby Tova » Tue Mar 24, 2015 6:38 am UTC

So we shouldn't ever do anything to make an activity more efficient, because we are not efficient 100% of the time? Is this what I'm supposed to be getting out of this?

Or am I just overthinking it because I'm supposed to think "HAHA SO HILARIOUS".

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Re: 1502: “Wasted Time”

Postby sfmans » Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:23 am UTC

Tova wrote:So we shouldn't ever do anything to make an activity more efficient, because we are not efficient 100% of the time? Is this what I'm supposed to be getting out of this?

Or am I just overthinking it because I'm supposed to think "HAHA SO HILARIOUS".


The way I read it was something along the lines of
Cueball - I'm saving soooo much time through using the new keyboard
WHG - but you're just wasting time opening and closing pages faster, rather than devoting that 'saved' time to actually doing something useful

Maybe not hilarious - but a welcome reminder that if I spent all the time I spend on the computer looking at flute-related stuff actually playing the flute instead, I'd be a much better flute player ...

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Re: 1502: “Wasted Time”

Postby SFX » Tue Mar 24, 2015 6:56 pm UTC

sfmans wrote:Maybe not hilarious - but a welcome reminder that if I spent all the time I spend on the computer looking at flute-related stuff actually playing the flute instead, I'd be a much better flute player ...
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Re: 1502: “Wasted Time”

Postby DR6 » Tue Mar 24, 2015 9:28 pm UTC

Tova wrote:So we shouldn't ever do anything to make an activity more efficient, because we are not efficient 100% of the time? Is this what I'm supposed to be getting out of this?

Or am I just overthinking it because I'm supposed to think "HAHA SO HILARIOUS".


I think that the point of white-hat-guy is that optimizing without a sense of priorities is not worth it. Making an activity more efficient doesn't necessarily help if the bottleneck of our productivity lies somewhere else. Also, keep in mind that the comic does not necessarily imply that white-hat-guy is right: the other guy has the last word, pointing out pretty much what you just said. So the comic is not supposed to express an opinion: it's supposed to be food for thought. That's how I see it at least.

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Re: 1502: “Wasted Time”

Postby commodorejohn » Wed Mar 25, 2015 4:30 pm UTC

Of course, if they were really concerned about efficient typing, they'd use a computer with a real keyboard.
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