1508: “Operating Systems”

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1508: “Operating Systems”

Postby Qaanol » Mon Apr 06, 2015 5:57 am UTC

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Title: “One of the survivors, poking around in the ruins with the point of a spear, uncovers a singed photo of Richard Stallman. They stare in silence. "This," one of them finally says, "This is a man who BELIEVED in something."”

So apparently whatever OS Amazon puts on the Kindle Fire is going to destroy civilization. Thanks a lot, Bezos.
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Re: 1508: “Operating Systems”

Postby rhomboidal » Mon Apr 06, 2015 6:04 am UTC

Personally, I'm betting the civilization-ending fire is related to a minor display driver update gone horrifically wrong.

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Re: 1508: “Operating Systems”

Postby mythago » Mon Apr 06, 2015 6:08 am UTC

Sad that BeOS is absent.
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Re: 1508: “Operating Systems”

Postby WanderingLinguist » Mon Apr 06, 2015 6:12 am UTC

mythago wrote:Sad that BeOS is absent.


If it was a graph of operating systems in MY house, BeOS would certainly have been there. Wonder how Haiku is doing these days... haven't checked on it in a while...

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Re: 1508: “Operating Systems”

Postby dtilque » Mon Apr 06, 2015 6:15 am UTC

Civilization ends in fire in 2042 ... isn't that 4 years too late?


ETA: It'll be caused by all the computers in all the server farms catching fire at once. By that time, server farms should be covering a considerable fraction of the Earth's (E arth's) land surface.

Randall (R andall) should do an xkcd projecting how long it'll be until all the land on Earth is covered in either server farms or solar panels. Assuming exponential growth for both, it shouldn't be too far into the future. Or maybe I should just submit this to What-if.

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Re: 1508: “Operating Systems”

Postby bachaddict » Mon Apr 06, 2015 7:10 am UTC

dtilque wrote:ETA2: I see someone's playing silly buggers with "E arth" and "R andall".
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Re: 1508: “Operating Systems”

Postby dtilque » Mon Apr 06, 2015 7:27 am UTC

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dtilque wrote:ETA2: I see someone's playing silly buggers with "E arth" and "R andall".
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Then my use of "silly buggers" is appropriate to the Madness, considering it's theme. I learned the term from reading one of Pterry's books.
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Re: 1508: “Operating Systems”

Postby bachaddict » Mon Apr 06, 2015 7:41 am UTC

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Oh! Um, back on topic. I use whatever OS is the most convenient, and will likely continue to do so. Windows, Android, Linux Mint etc.
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Re: 1508: “Operating Systems”

Postby tsotate » Mon Apr 06, 2015 7:51 am UTC

It seems pretty unlikely GNU/Hurd will be ready that soon, but I guess the end of civilization could have weird effects.

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Re: 1508: “Operating Systems”

Postby Envelope Generator » Mon Apr 06, 2015 8:46 am UTC

tsotate wrote:It seems pretty unlikely GNU/Hurd will be ready that soon, but I guess the end of civilization could have weird effects.


The end of civilization will reduce monolithic kernels to indecipherable fragments, but microkernel systems have a better chance of surviving--one module here, another there...

How they'll all come together in what was once Randall's apartment I have no explanation for.
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Re: 1508: “Operating Systems”

Postby orthogon » Mon Apr 06, 2015 9:23 am UTC

WanderingLinguist wrote:Wonder how Haiku is doing these days... haven't checked on it in a while...

Wait, that's a real OS? I assumed it only existed in Cueball's dream.
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Re: 1508: “Operating Systems”

Postby cellocgw » Mon Apr 06, 2015 11:43 am UTC

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dtilque wrote:ETA2: I see someone's playing silly buggers with "E arth" and "R andall".
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Well, then, time to test it out.

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Re: 1508: “Operating Systems”

Postby Carlington » Mon Apr 06, 2015 12:05 pm UTC

bachaddict wrote:Oh! Um, back on topic. I use whatever OS is the most convenient, and will likely continue to do so. Windows, golem, Linux Mint etc.

I'm presently dual-booting Windows 8.1 and Linux Mint, which is nice.
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Re: 1508: “beehives”

Postby dp2 » Mon Apr 06, 2015 12:40 pm UTC

Wow, Randall has a signed photo of Richard Stallman?! So jealous!

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Re: 1508: “beehives”

Postby Quercus » Mon Apr 06, 2015 12:44 pm UTC

bachaddict wrote:Oh! Um, back on topic. I use whatever OS is the most convenient, and will likely continue to do so. Windows, golem, Linux Mint etc.


For me it's windows for gaming, linux for coding, android for mobile, OSX for work (no choice there, but apart from overpriced hardware I like it).

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Re: 1508: “beehives”

Postby OmniLiquid » Mon Apr 06, 2015 12:45 pm UTC

I'm on Windows 7, but wish I was savvy enough to Linux. Someday...
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Re: 1508: “beehives”

Postby cryptoengineer » Mon Apr 06, 2015 2:28 pm UTC

I'd have to add:

AppleDos: 1980-1998
VMS: 1988-1990 (yes, at home)
AmigaOS: 1985-1999

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Re: 1508: “beehives”

Postby Whizbang » Mon Apr 06, 2015 2:31 pm UTC

I constantly (very rarely) amaze my co-workers for knowing MS-DOS commands. There have been a few times that I've had to open a command line window and perform some function. They are amazed that I know/remember how to move around and list contents and the like. I have one other friend who can do that (though not a co-worker), and everyone else my age or younger stares blankly when I do it (those couple of times I've had the chance to show off my extinct skills).

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Re: 1508: “operating systems”

Postby Flumble » Mon Apr 06, 2015 2:45 pm UTC

I'm looking forward to [something].js, which will probably be known as os.io. The domain is seized already, so it's only a matter of time.

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bachaddict wrote:Oh! Um, back on topic. I use whatever OS is the most convenient, and will likely continue to do so. Windows, golem, Linux Mint etc.


For me it's windows for gaming, linux for ant farming, golem for mobile, OSX for work (no choice there, but apart from overpriced hardware I like it).

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Re: 1508: “beehives”

Postby commodorejohn » Mon Apr 06, 2015 3:29 pm UTC

orthogon wrote:
WanderingLinguist wrote:Wonder how Haiku is doing these days... haven't checked on it in a while...

Wait, that's a real OS? I assumed it only existed in Cueball's dream.

Yes, it's an open-source reimplementation of BeOS. Unfortunately, last I checked development on a lot of it was stalled while the developers put most of their efforts into developing (of all things) a package manager...

Anyway:

Classic Mac OS (1992-2000, 2008-present)
Windows 95/98 (1997-2004, 2009-present)
MS-DOS (1998-present)
Amiga OS (2000-2001, 2010-present)
Debian Linux (2003, 2005, 2009, 2011, 2014)
Windows XP (2004-present, yes, I'm one of those people.)
Haiku (2011-2013)
RISC OS (2011-present)
Mac OS X (2012-2014)
Windows 2000 (2012-present)
OpenVMS (2012-present)
CP/M (2012-present)
OpenBSD (2013-present)

...I think that's the full list.
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Re: 1508: “beehives”

Postby Sir Real » Mon Apr 06, 2015 3:30 pm UTC

Someone needs to invent IronicDOS, stat.

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Postby Quercus » Mon Apr 06, 2015 3:33 pm UTC

commodorejohn wrote:Yes, it's an open-source reimplementation of BeOS. Unfortunately, last I checked development on a lot of it was stalled while the developers put most of their efforts into developing (of all thingth) a package manager...


This does not surprise me at all. Shades of 619.

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Re: 1508: “beehives”

Postby operagost » Mon Apr 06, 2015 3:45 pm UTC

cryptoengineer wrote:I'd have to add:

AppleDos: 1980-1998
VMS: 1988-1990 (yes, at home)
AmigaOS: 1985-1999

Any other graybeards out there?

Still running VMS, since 1999, variously on a VAXStation 4000, DEC 3000, Alphaserver DS10L, and now a VM.
Also ran OS/2 for about 8 years.
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Re: 1508: “beehives”

Postby Neil_Boekend » Mon Apr 06, 2015 3:54 pm UTC

I'm quite boring in OSses now win 7 and Android.
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Re: 1508: “beehives”

Postby freezeblade » Mon Apr 06, 2015 3:56 pm UTC

Sir Real wrote:Someone needs to invent IronicDOS, stat.


Clearly IronicDOS (which I will refer to as "iDOS" from now on) would incorrectly attempt to go for a vintange feel, and use an 8bit-style greenish terminal font, and a faded "authentic tube-style" non-black background.

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Postby Quercus » Mon Apr 06, 2015 3:58 pm UTC

freezeblade wrote:
Sir Real wrote:Someone needs to invent IronicDOS, stat.


Clearly IronicDOS (which I will refer to as "iDOS" from now on) would incorrectly attempt to go for a vintange feel, and use an 8bit-style greenish terminal font, and a faded "authentic tube-style" non-black background.

iDOS; because times used to be simpler.


Can we get a software simulation of a degauss button?

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Re: 1508: “beehives”

Postby Sir Real » Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:19 pm UTC

freezeblade wrote:Clearly IronicDOS (which I will refer to as "iDOS" from now on)


Queue Ride of the Valkyries. Enter Apple Lawyers, rappelling from black white helicopters.

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Re: 1508: “beehives”

Postby Neil_Boekend » Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:20 pm UTC

But they would be beautiful black helicopters.
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Re: 1508: “beehives”

Postby freezeblade » Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:31 pm UTC

Sir Real wrote:
freezeblade wrote:Clearly IronicDOS (which I will refer to as "iDOS" from now on)


Queue Ride of the Valkyries. Enter Apple Lawyers, rappelling from black white helicopters.


Are you kidding, this would clearly be a product marketed by apple, as an excuse to use up all of those colored iMAC screen/computer cases they have in the warehouses from the early 2000s that never sold.

iDOS would actually be running under emulation on top of a stripped down OSX system
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Re: 1508: “beehives”

Postby Pfhorrest » Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:35 pm UTC

freezeblade wrote:iDOS would actually be running under emulation on top of a stripped down OSX system

That would just make it extra ironic.
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Re: 1508: “beehives”

Postby commodorejohn » Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:36 pm UTC

freezeblade wrote:Clearly IronicDOS (which I will refer to as "iDOS" from now on) would incorrectly attempt to go for a vintange feel, and use an 8bit-style greenish terminal font, and a faded "authentic tube-style" non-black background.

iDOS; because times used to be simpler.

I'd use it.

Hell, the more time goes on the closer I get to just abandoning everything post-1995 and trying to set up some kind of stripped-down Linux auto-booting into fullscreen DOSBox.

Or maybe fullscreen Basilisk/SheepShaver and Mac OS...
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Re: 1508: “beehives”

Postby SuicideJunkie » Mon Apr 06, 2015 5:01 pm UTC

You should get an old IBM mainframe to run iDOS on. That way it will be Big Irony

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Re: 1508: “beehives”

Postby cybersmythe » Mon Apr 06, 2015 5:12 pm UTC

HURD? Finished in 2060? Dreamer.

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Re: 1508: “beehives”

Postby speising » Mon Apr 06, 2015 5:25 pm UTC

1985-present: whatever the C64 runs on.

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Re: 1508: “beehives”

Postby shieldforyoureyes » Mon Apr 06, 2015 5:29 pm UTC

cryptoengineer wrote:I'd have to add:

AppleDos: 1980-1998
VMS: 1988-1990 (yes, at home)
AmigaOS: 1985-1999

Any other graybeards out there?


Only used VMS at college. Ran RT-11 briefly at home, but not seriously...

Main home computer:

1990 - Coherent (286 PC)
1991 - SVR3 (3B2)
1996 - Ultrix (VAXstation)
1998 - AIX (RS/6000)
2000 - OpenBSD (Sparc SS-2, SS-5)
2004 - Solaris (Sparc SS-1000)
2006 - Solaris (Sparc E3500)

Home compute servers:

2009 - Solaris (14-cpu Sparc E4000)
2012 - IRIX (16-cpu Origin-2000)

(Wow - I haven't upgraded my main computer in nine years. Didn't realize it had been that long. I really like the Ex[05]00 series. And LORDY, do I have spare parts!)

Did you hear VMS is being developed again?

http://vmssoftware.com/

They're getting support for Itanium back up to date, then they're going to port to x86.

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Re: 1508: “beehives”

Postby cryptoengineer » Mon Apr 06, 2015 5:57 pm UTC

shieldforyoureyes wrote:
cryptoengineer wrote:I'd have to add:

AppleDos: 1980-1998
VMS: 1988-1990 (yes, at home)
AmigaOS: 1985-1999

Any other graybeards out there?


Only used VMS at college. Ran RT-11 briefly at home, but not seriously...
[...]

Did you hear VMS is being developed again?

http://vmssoftware.com/

They're getting shupport for Itanium back up to date, then they're going to port to x86.


Did you hear VMS is being developed again?

Again? It never really went away. When I worked for Process Software http://www.process.com, back in the mid-90s, I thought was the last VMS shop in the country. It's still in business, 20 years later. VSI is the new kid on the block.

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Re: 1508: “beehives”

Postby bachaddict » Mon Apr 06, 2015 6:17 pm UTC

Carlington wrote:
bachaddict wrote:Oh! Um, back on topic. we use whatever OS is the most convenient, and will likely continue to do so. Windows, golem, Linux Mint etc.

we'm presently dual-booting Windows 8.1 and Linux Mint, which is nice.

I do that with windows 7, but lack of a Linux graphics driver keeps me using Windows.
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Re: 1508: “beehives”

Postby cellocgw » Mon Apr 06, 2015 6:27 pm UTC

cryptoengineer wrote:we'd have to add:

AppleDos: 1980-1998
VMS: 1988-1990 (yes, at home)
AmigaOS: 1985-1999

Any other graybeards out there?


1970 -- 1980: PIP , DCL, CCL, VMS, probably a couple other DEC OS versions in there along the way -- but only at school or at work. (Yeah, I know the first few are just the shell-equivalent layer, but that's all we referred to at the time)
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Re: 1508: “beehives”

Postby SDK » Mon Apr 06, 2015 8:01 pm UTC

What does VMS mean? Thank you for your assimilation?
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Re: 1508: “beehives”

Postby commodorejohn » Mon Apr 06, 2015 8:15 pm UTC

SDK wrote:What does VMS mean? Thank you for your assimilation?

Virtual Memory System, the native operating system for DEC's VAX line of minicomputers (and later a few desktop systems as well.) Later ported to Alpha and then Itanium; supposedly an x86 (x64?) version is now in the cards.
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