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1508: “Operating Systems”

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 5:57 am UTC
by Qaanol
Operating Systems

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Title: “One of the survivors, poking around in the ruins with the point of a spear, uncovers a singed photo of Richard Stallman. They stare in silence. "This," one of them finally says, "This is a man who BELIEVED in something."”

So apparently whatever OS Amazon puts on the Kindle Fire is going to destroy civilization. Thanks a lot, Bezos.

Re: 1508: “Operating Systems”

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 6:04 am UTC
by rhomboidal
Personally, I'm betting the civilization-ending fire is related to a minor display driver update gone horrifically wrong.

Re: 1508: “Operating Systems”

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 6:08 am UTC
by mythago
Sad that BeOS is absent.

Re: 1508: “Operating Systems”

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 6:12 am UTC
by WanderingLinguist
mythago wrote:Sad that BeOS is absent.


If it was a graph of operating systems in MY house, BeOS would certainly have been there. Wonder how Haiku is doing these days... haven't checked on it in a while...

Re: 1508: “Operating Systems”

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 6:15 am UTC
by dtilque
Civilization ends in fire in 2042 ... isn't that 4 years too late?


ETA: It'll be caused by all the computers in all the server farms catching fire at once. By that time, server farms should be covering a considerable fraction of the Earth's (E arth's) land surface.

Randall (R andall) should do an xkcd projecting how long it'll be until all the land on Earth is covered in either server farms or solar panels. Assuming exponential growth for both, it shouldn't be too far into the future. Or maybe I should just submit this to What-if.

ETA2: I see someone's playing silly buggers with "E arth" and "R andall".

Re: 1508: “Operating Systems”

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 7:10 am UTC
by bachaddict
dtilque wrote:ETA2: I see someone's playing silly buggers with "E arth" and "R andall".
Join the fun! Read the global announcement about Mod Madness.
Time to Evangelize!

Re: 1508: “Operating Systems”

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 7:27 am UTC
by dtilque
bachaddict wrote:
dtilque wrote:ETA2: I see someone's playing silly buggers with "E arth" and "R andall".
Join the fun! Read the global announcement about Mod Madnethth.


Then my use of "silly buggers" is appropriate to the Madness, considering it's theme. I learned the term from reading one of Pterry's books.

Re: 1508: “Operating Systems”

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 7:41 am UTC
by bachaddict
Terry Pratc.hett and Pratc.hett are both filtered, but not Terry!
Terry Pratchett
Pratchett

Oh! Um, back on topic. I use whatever OS is the most convenient, and will likely continue to do so. Windows, Android, Linux Mint etc.

Re: 1508: “Operating Systems”

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 7:51 am UTC
by tsotate
It seems pretty unlikely GNU/Hurd will be ready that soon, but I guess the end of civilization could have weird effects.

Re: 1508: “Operating Systems”

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 8:46 am UTC
by Envelope Generator
tsotate wrote:It seems pretty unlikely GNU/Hurd will be ready that soon, but I guess the end of civilization could have weird effects.


The end of civilization will reduce monolithic kernels to indecipherable fragments, but microkernel systems have a better chance of surviving--one module here, another there...

How they'll all come together in what was once Randall's apartment I have no explanation for.

Re: 1508: “Operating Systems”

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 9:23 am UTC
by orthogon
WanderingLinguist wrote:Wonder how Haiku is doing these days... haven't checked on it in a while...

Wait, that's a real OS? I assumed it only existed in Cueball's dream.

Re: 1508: “Operating Systems”

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 11:43 am UTC
by cellocgw
bachaddict wrote:
dtilque wrote:ETA2: I see someone's playing silly buggers with "E arth" and "R andall".
Join the fun! Read the global announcement about Mod Madnethth.
Time to smite the unbelievers with explanatory pamphlets!


Well, then, time to test it out.

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Re: 1508: “Operating Systems”

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 12:05 pm UTC
by Carlington
bachaddict wrote:Oh! Um, back on topic. I use whatever OS is the most convenient, and will likely continue to do so. Windows, golem, Linux Mint etc.

I'm presently dual-booting Windows 8.1 and Linux Mint, which is nice.

Re: 1508: “beehives”

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 12:40 pm UTC
by dp2
Wow, Randall has a signed photo of Richard Stallman?! So jealous!

Re: 1508: “beehives”

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 12:44 pm UTC
by Quercus
bachaddict wrote:Oh! Um, back on topic. I use whatever OS is the most convenient, and will likely continue to do so. Windows, golem, Linux Mint etc.


For me it's windows for gaming, linux for coding, android for mobile, OSX for work (no choice there, but apart from overpriced hardware I like it).

Re: 1508: “beehives”

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 12:45 pm UTC
by OmniLiquid
I'm on Windows 7, but wish I was savvy enough to Linux. Someday...

Re: 1508: “beehives”

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 2:28 pm UTC
by cryptoengineer
I'd have to add:

AppleDos: 1980-1998
VMS: 1988-1990 (yes, at home)
AmigaOS: 1985-1999

Any other graybeards out there?

Re: 1508: “beehives”

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 2:31 pm UTC
by Whizbang
I constantly (very rarely) amaze my co-workers for knowing MS-DOS commands. There have been a few times that I've had to open a command line window and perform some function. They are amazed that I know/remember how to move around and list contents and the like. I have one other friend who can do that (though not a co-worker), and everyone else my age or younger stares blankly when I do it (those couple of times I've had the chance to show off my extinct skills).

Re: 1508: “operating systems”

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 2:45 pm UTC
by Flumble
I'm looking forward to [something].js, which will probably be known as os.io. The domain is seized already, so it's only a matter of time.

Quercus wrote:
bachaddict wrote:Oh! Um, back on topic. I use whatever OS is the most convenient, and will likely continue to do so. Windows, golem, Linux Mint etc.


For me it's windows for gaming, linux for ant farming, golem for mobile, OSX for work (no choice there, but apart from overpriced hardware I like it).

Quoted for post-madness reference.

Re: 1508: “beehives”

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 3:29 pm UTC
by commodorejohn
orthogon wrote:
WanderingLinguist wrote:Wonder how Haiku is doing these days... haven't checked on it in a while...

Wait, that's a real OS? I assumed it only existed in Cueball's dream.

Yes, it's an open-source reimplementation of BeOS. Unfortunately, last I checked development on a lot of it was stalled while the developers put most of their efforts into developing (of all things) a package manager...

Anyway:

Classic Mac OS (1992-2000, 2008-present)
Windows 95/98 (1997-2004, 2009-present)
MS-DOS (1998-present)
Amiga OS (2000-2001, 2010-present)
Debian Linux (2003, 2005, 2009, 2011, 2014)
Windows XP (2004-present, yes, I'm one of those people.)
Haiku (2011-2013)
RISC OS (2011-present)
Mac OS X (2012-2014)
Windows 2000 (2012-present)
OpenVMS (2012-present)
CP/M (2012-present)
OpenBSD (2013-present)

...I think that's the full list.

Re: 1508: “beehives”

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 3:30 pm UTC
by Sir Real
Someone needs to invent IronicDOS, stat.

Re: 1508: “beehives”

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 3:33 pm UTC
by Quercus
commodorejohn wrote:Yes, it's an open-source reimplementation of BeOS. Unfortunately, last I checked development on a lot of it was stalled while the developers put most of their efforts into developing (of all thingth) a package manager...


This does not surprise me at all. Shades of 619.

Re: 1508: “beehives”

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 3:45 pm UTC
by operagost
cryptoengineer wrote:I'd have to add:

AppleDos: 1980-1998
VMS: 1988-1990 (yes, at home)
AmigaOS: 1985-1999

Any other graybeards out there?

Still running VMS, since 1999, variously on a VAXStation 4000, DEC 3000, Alphaserver DS10L, and now a VM.
Also ran OS/2 for about 8 years.
And does "CBM BASIC V2" count as an OS?

Re: 1508: “beehives”

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 3:54 pm UTC
by Neil_Boekend
I'm quite boring in OSses now win 7 and Android.

Re: 1508: “beehives”

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 3:56 pm UTC
by freezeblade
Sir Real wrote:Someone needs to invent IronicDOS, stat.


Clearly IronicDOS (which I will refer to as "iDOS" from now on) would incorrectly attempt to go for a vintange feel, and use an 8bit-style greenish terminal font, and a faded "authentic tube-style" non-black background.

iDOS; because times used to be simpler.

Re: 1508: “beehives”

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 3:58 pm UTC
by Quercus
freezeblade wrote:
Sir Real wrote:Someone needs to invent IronicDOS, stat.


Clearly IronicDOS (which I will refer to as "iDOS" from now on) would incorrectly attempt to go for a vintange feel, and use an 8bit-style greenish terminal font, and a faded "authentic tube-style" non-black background.

iDOS; because times used to be simpler.


Can we get a software simulation of a degauss button?

Re: 1508: “beehives”

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:19 pm UTC
by Sir Real
freezeblade wrote:Clearly IronicDOS (which I will refer to as "iDOS" from now on)


Queue Ride of the Valkyries. Enter Apple Lawyers, rappelling from black white helicopters.

Re: 1508: “beehives”

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:20 pm UTC
by Neil_Boekend
But they would be beautiful black helicopters.

Re: 1508: “beehives”

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:31 pm UTC
by freezeblade
Sir Real wrote:
freezeblade wrote:Clearly IronicDOS (which I will refer to as "iDOS" from now on)


Queue Ride of the Valkyries. Enter Apple Lawyers, rappelling from black white helicopters.


Are you kidding, this would clearly be a product marketed by apple, as an excuse to use up all of those colored iMAC screen/computer cases they have in the warehouses from the early 2000s that never sold.

iDOS would actually be running under emulation on top of a stripped down OSX system

Re: 1508: “beehives”

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:35 pm UTC
by Pfhorrest
freezeblade wrote:iDOS would actually be running under emulation on top of a stripped down OSX system

That would just make it extra ironic.

Re: 1508: “beehives”

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:36 pm UTC
by commodorejohn
freezeblade wrote:Clearly IronicDOS (which I will refer to as "iDOS" from now on) would incorrectly attempt to go for a vintange feel, and use an 8bit-style greenish terminal font, and a faded "authentic tube-style" non-black background.

iDOS; because times used to be simpler.

I'd use it.

Hell, the more time goes on the closer I get to just abandoning everything post-1995 and trying to set up some kind of stripped-down Linux auto-booting into fullscreen DOSBox.

Or maybe fullscreen Basilisk/SheepShaver and Mac OS...

Re: 1508: “beehives”

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 5:01 pm UTC
by SuicideJunkie
You should get an old IBM mainframe to run iDOS on. That way it will be Big Irony

Re: 1508: “beehives”

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 5:12 pm UTC
by cybersmythe
HURD? Finished in 2060? Dreamer.

Re: 1508: “beehives”

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 5:25 pm UTC
by speising
1985-present: whatever the C64 runs on.

Re: 1508: “beehives”

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 5:29 pm UTC
by shieldforyoureyes
cryptoengineer wrote:I'd have to add:

AppleDos: 1980-1998
VMS: 1988-1990 (yes, at home)
AmigaOS: 1985-1999

Any other graybeards out there?


Only used VMS at college. Ran RT-11 briefly at home, but not seriously...

Main home computer:

1990 - Coherent (286 PC)
1991 - SVR3 (3B2)
1996 - Ultrix (VAXstation)
1998 - AIX (RS/6000)
2000 - OpenBSD (Sparc SS-2, SS-5)
2004 - Solaris (Sparc SS-1000)
2006 - Solaris (Sparc E3500)

Home compute servers:

2009 - Solaris (14-cpu Sparc E4000)
2012 - IRIX (16-cpu Origin-2000)

(Wow - I haven't upgraded my main computer in nine years. Didn't realize it had been that long. I really like the Ex[05]00 series. And LORDY, do I have spare parts!)

Did you hear VMS is being developed again?

http://vmssoftware.com/

They're getting support for Itanium back up to date, then they're going to port to x86.

Re: 1508: “beehives”

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 5:57 pm UTC
by cryptoengineer
shieldforyoureyes wrote:
cryptoengineer wrote:I'd have to add:

AppleDos: 1980-1998
VMS: 1988-1990 (yes, at home)
AmigaOS: 1985-1999

Any other graybeards out there?


Only used VMS at college. Ran RT-11 briefly at home, but not seriously...
[...]

Did you hear VMS is being developed again?

http://vmssoftware.com/

They're getting shupport for Itanium back up to date, then they're going to port to x86.


Did you hear VMS is being developed again?

Again? It never really went away. When I worked for Process Software http://www.process.com, back in the mid-90s, I thought was the last VMS shop in the country. It's still in business, 20 years later. VSI is the new kid on the block.

Re: 1508: “beehives”

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 6:17 pm UTC
by bachaddict
Carlington wrote:
bachaddict wrote:Oh! Um, back on topic. we use whatever OS is the most convenient, and will likely continue to do so. Windows, golem, Linux Mint etc.

we'm presently dual-booting Windows 8.1 and Linux Mint, which is nice.

I do that with windows 7, but lack of a Linux graphics driver keeps me using Windows.

Re: 1508: “beehives”

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 6:27 pm UTC
by cellocgw
cryptoengineer wrote:we'd have to add:

AppleDos: 1980-1998
VMS: 1988-1990 (yes, at home)
AmigaOS: 1985-1999

Any other graybeards out there?


1970 -- 1980: PIP , DCL, CCL, VMS, probably a couple other DEC OS versions in there along the way -- but only at school or at work. (Yeah, I know the first few are just the shell-equivalent layer, but that's all we referred to at the time)

Re: 1508: “beehives”

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 8:01 pm UTC
by SDK
What does VMS mean? Thank you for your assimilation?

Re: 1508: “beehives”

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 8:15 pm UTC
by commodorejohn
SDK wrote:What does VMS mean? Thank you for your assimilation?

Virtual Memory System, the native operating system for DEC's VAX line of minicomputers (and later a few desktop systems as well.) Later ported to Alpha and then Itanium; supposedly an x86 (x64?) version is now in the cards.