1622: "Henge"

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1622: "Henge"

Postby sirono » Mon Dec 28, 2015 6:30 am UTC

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Alt: I've got the Craigslist post ready to go! I wasn't sure what category it should go in, so I listed it as property and put that it has 'good sun exposure.'

Would be nice to have your own sun in these dark times. might also save on gas.

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Re: 1622: "Henge"

Postby Eternal Density » Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:11 am UTC

Randall you're being silly again :P
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Re: 1622: "Henge"

Postby Mikeski » Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:29 am UTC

How did something this surreal occur without the presence of white-beret guy?

I'll assume he's just off-panel (on the top edge) dropping the sun into the butterfly net...

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Re: 1622: "Henge"

Postby Angua » Mon Dec 28, 2015 9:49 am UTC

I believe that for something to be a henge it has to be in a circle with a ditch.

Hard to meet that with two trees.

It's a cute comic though.
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Re: 1622: "Henge"

Postby StClair » Mon Dec 28, 2015 11:53 am UTC

I've read the stories.
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Re: 1622: "Henge"

Postby orthogon » Mon Dec 28, 2015 12:12 pm UTC

Angua wrote:I believe that for something to be a henge it has to be in a circle with a ditch.

Hard to meet that with two trees.

On the contrary, surely any two trees are in a circle.
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Re: 1622: "Henge"

Postby cellocgw » Mon Dec 28, 2015 1:52 pm UTC

orthogon wrote:
Angua wrote:I believe that for something to be a henge it has to be in a circle with a ditch.

Hard to meet that with two trees.

On the contrary, surely any two trees are in a circle.


An infinite number of circles, actually. (Even in a plane, let alone 3D)

Meanwhile, I saw the comic title and was hoping for a multipanel "[word]-henge: stone, paper, scissors, lizard, Spock"
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Re: 1622: "Henge"

Postby Rombobjörn » Mon Dec 28, 2015 2:00 pm UTC

It'll just burn through the bag.

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Re: 1622: "Henge"

Postby Mikeski » Mon Dec 28, 2015 2:16 pm UTC

Rombobjörn wrote:It'll just burn through the bag.

Don't be silly; it's dark inside that bag. The sun doesn't shine when it's dark out, does it?

Put the sun in, tie it shut, and Bob's your uncle.

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Re: 1622: "Henge"

Postby ijuin » Mon Dec 28, 2015 6:32 pm UTC

cellocgw wrote:
orthogon wrote:
Angua wrote:I believe that for something to be a henge it has to be in a circle with a ditch.

Hard to meet that with two trees.

On the contrary, surely any two trees are in a circle.


An infinite number of circles, actually. (Even in a plane, let alone 3D)

Meanwhile, I saw the comic title and was hoping for a multipanel "[word]-henge: stone, paper, scissors, lizard, Spock"


Spockhenge? Lizardhenge?

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Re: 1622: "Henge"

Postby Pfhorrest » Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:39 pm UTC

ijuin wrote:
cellocgw wrote:
orthogon wrote:
Angua wrote:I believe that for something to be a henge it has to be in a circle with a ditch.

Hard to meet that with two trees.

On the contrary, surely any two trees are in a circle.


An infinite number of circles, actually. (Even in a plane, let alone 3D)

Meanwhile, I saw the comic title and was hoping for a multipanel "[word]-henge: stone, paper, scissors, lizard, Spock"


Spockhenge? Lizardhenge?

Rock Paper Scissors Lizard Spock.

Also: Scissorhenge sounds like something built by worshippers of Edward Scissorhands.
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Re: 1622: "Henge"

Postby Zylon » Mon Dec 28, 2015 8:37 pm UTC

Ha ha, it's funny because shit doesn't work that way.

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Re: 1622: "Henge"

Postby VectorZero » Mon Dec 28, 2015 8:37 pm UTC

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Re: 1622: "Henge"

Postby pkcommando » Mon Dec 28, 2015 8:51 pm UTC

Mikeski wrote:
Rombobjörn wrote:It'll just burn through the bag.

Don't be silly; it's dark inside that bag. The sun doesn't shine when it's dark out, does it?

Put the sun in, tie it shut, and Bob's your uncle.

What about the net needed to get it into the bag? Wouldn't it still burn the net? Or is that solved by simply being really really quick about it?

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Re: 1622: "Henge"

Postby Flumble » Mon Dec 28, 2015 8:53 pm UTC

VectorZero wrote:I ain't happy, I'm feeling glad...

Heh

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Re: 1622: "Henge"

Postby brenok » Mon Dec 28, 2015 11:49 pm UTC

What exactly is the "Manhattan thing"?

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Re: 1622: "Henge"

Postby Mikeski » Tue Dec 29, 2015 12:38 am UTC

pkcommando wrote:
Mikeski wrote:
Rombobjörn wrote:It'll just burn through the bag.

Don't be silly; it's dark inside that bag. The sun doesn't shine when it's dark out, does it?

Put the sun in, tie it shut, and Bob's your uncle.

What about the net needed to get it into the bag? Wouldn't it still burn the net? Or is that solved by simply being really really quick about it?

Exactly.

You only have to be "really quick" and not "really really quick", though. The sun is setting, so it's already cooling down. You can tell because a setting sun turns from yellow to red, and red fires are cooler than yellow ones.

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Re: 1622: "Henge"

Postby jewish_scientist » Tue Dec 29, 2015 12:45 am UTC

brenok wrote:What exactly is the "Manhattan thing"?

I have the same question.
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Re: 1622: "Henge"

Postby da Doctah » Tue Dec 29, 2015 1:19 am UTC

jewish_scientist wrote:
brenok wrote:What exactly is the "Manhattan thing"?

I have the same question.

The dork of that blue guy from Watchmen.

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Re: 1622: "Henge"

Postby speising » Tue Dec 29, 2015 1:21 am UTC

jewish_scientist wrote:
brenok wrote:What exactly is the "Manhattan thing"?

I have the same question.

I had that question, too. Until i typed "manhattan" and "henge" in my favourite search engine.

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Re: 1622: "Henge"

Postby Znirk » Tue Dec 29, 2015 1:24 am UTC

brenok wrote:What exactly is the "Manhattan thing"?

There's a day (or probably two) per year when the sun doesn't set behind buildings, but aligns with the street grid. Presumably the same thing happens in other places with a grid layout at a convenient angle for their latitude (and no other obstructions like nearby mountains), but for some reason people in Manhattan seem to find it interesting.

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Re: 1622: "Henge"

Postby Plasma Mongoose » Tue Dec 29, 2015 4:50 am UTC

When it comes to the word henge, the first thing that comes in my mind is what they call the disguise jutsu in Naruto.
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Re: 1622: "Henge"

Postby VectorZero » Tue Dec 29, 2015 8:21 am UTC

Znirk wrote:Presumably the same thing happens in other places with a grid layout at a convenient angle for their latitude.

Happened in Melbourne a few weeks ago. Apparently it was a little bit of a thing.
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Re: 1622: "Henge"

Postby Brian-M » Tue Dec 29, 2015 10:07 am UTC

"Wait, isn't that true every day for pretty much any two trees?"

Not if one tree is close to being directly east or directly west of the other, which would be a pretty common occurrence. In that situation the sun often can't be seen to set between them no matter where you stand.

(Although, it would vary depending on latitude and season. The more north you are of the equator, the more north the eastern tree has to be in relation to the western tree in order to prevent the sun from appearing to set between them.)

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Re: 1622: "Henge"

Postby Keyman » Tue Dec 29, 2015 1:58 pm UTC

I must have 'mispronounced' it in my head. Henge doesn't rhyme with Schmenge?
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Re: 1622: "Henge"

Postby orthogon » Tue Dec 29, 2015 4:00 pm UTC

Brian-M wrote:"Wait, isn't that true every day for pretty much any two trees?"

Not if one tree is close to being directly east or directly west of the other, which would be a pretty common occurrence. In that situation the sun often can't be seen to set between them no matter where you stand.

(Although, it would vary depending on latitude and season. The more north you are of the equator, the more north the eastern tree has to be in relation to the western tree in order to prevent the sun from appearing to set between them.)

As you say, also depending on the season. Your requirement applies between the September and March equinoxes: in the northern summer the sun sets in the Northwest. That freaked me out when I first noticed it, though it makes sense after a bit of thought or an experiment with an orange and a desk lamp.
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Re: 1622: "Henge"

Postby Rombobjörn » Tue Dec 29, 2015 8:56 pm UTC

orthogon wrote:in the northern summer the sun sets in the Northwest.

Except when it doesn't set at all, north of the Arctic Circle.

Even 800 km south of the Arctic Circle it never gets really dark in the weeks around the summer solstice. Dusk transitions into dawn without any real night in between, and at midnight the sky is quite bright in the north.

As the sun sets at a rather acute angle it's not so easy to decide exactly where on the horizon it sets, or which day it sets at a given point on the horizon.

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Re: 1622: "Henge"

Postby orthogon » Wed Dec 30, 2015 8:37 am UTC

Good point, and that's a good way to see intuitively why it sets north of west at mid latitudes. In the Arctic Circle it's due north at solar midnight.
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Re: 1622: "Henge"

Postby Lothario O'Leary » Fri Feb 05, 2016 9:19 pm UTC

Plasma Mongoose wrote:When it comes to the word henge, the first thing that comes in my mind is what they call the disguise jutsu in Naruto.


Same for me, at least when I saw this thread now (too many Naruto fanfics).

On-topic, I'm reminded of Twelve Mile Circle's article on ocean sunrises on the West Coast (of the US lower 48 states). Apparently it's not a one-day event, exactly, but it can only happen for a week or two in September, and only on a very small part of the coast (though that last part is kind of obvious, because, for the most part, the West Coast is oriented towards west).


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