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1653: "United States Map"

Postby Linux0s » Wed Mar 09, 2016 5:15 am UTC

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Title Text: It would be pretty unfair to give to someone a blank version of this map as a 'how many states can you name?' quiz. (If you include Alaska and Hawaii, you should swap the Aleutian Islands with the Hawaiian ones.)

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Re: 1653: "United States Map"

Postby lalaithion42 » Wed Mar 09, 2016 5:37 am UTC

I've created a blank version, and would love it link to it, but it keeps getting flagged for spam. It's on imgur, and the image is named sZlnolW.png if someone wants to go find it.

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Re: 1653: "United States Map"

Postby Eternal Density » Wed Mar 09, 2016 5:38 am UTC

What did you do, Randall?
What did you do?
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Re: 1653: "United States Map"

Postby rhomboidal » Wed Mar 09, 2016 6:04 am UTC

Craziest plate tectonics ever.

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Re: 1653: "United States Map"

Postby ps.02 » Wed Mar 09, 2016 6:05 am UTC

Many bits of cleverness in there. Random notes:
- Montana's and Utah's labels are upside down
- State that traveled the furthest: Georgia, I guess
- State that traveled the least: Probably Utah? Fairly close to home: Wisconsin, Delaware, Maine, Colorado, Minnesota
- State that traveled the furthest culturally: Arkansas? Georgia again? Actually no, probably New Jersey
- Do the subway lines connect better or worse than before?
And of course,
- What projection is this?

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Re: 1653: "United States Map"

Postby Steve the Pocket » Wed Mar 09, 2016 6:08 am UTC

Sometimes I laugh and sometimes I'm just in awe of the sheer effort it must have taken to put the comic together. Today, I did both.
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Re: 1653: "United States Map"

Postby brakos82 » Wed Mar 09, 2016 6:10 am UTC

Well let's see who won and lost in this scenario!

Alabama - Neighbors are now Mormons instead of rednecks. Draw.
Arizona - Now a cold barren wasteland. Loss.
Arkansas - I guess Clinton's back in office? If it's Hillary, loss. Bill, draw.
California - San Diego is now El Paso. Loss.
Colorado - Still full of mountains. Draw.
Connecticut - Now somewhere around Amarillo, which smells like cow poo. Loss.
Delaware - Now renamed "Delaweh" because New Yorkers can't pronounce Delaware correctly. Draw.
Florida - Well, at least the snowbirds won't fly there for winter. Draw.
Georgia - Got rid of Alabama as a neighbor. Win.
Idaho - They're finally in the southeast like they want to be. Win.
Illinois - A tropical Chicago would be hell. Loss.
Indiana - The Indy 500 is now a stock car race. Loss.
Iowa - Just replace corn with cotton. Draw.
Kansas - If that eastern border stretches to Glacier NP, it's a win.
Kentucky - No longer an Ohio suburb. Win.
Louisiana - New Orleans is still French, but now it's because they're bordering Quebec. Draw.
Maine - No more lobsters. Loss.
Maryland - At least they got away from D.C. Win.
Massachusetts - Clam chowder has been replaced with green chiles. Win.
Michigan - Detroit is the new Oakland, but at least you won't freeze in the winter. Draw.
Minnesota - You didn't even move. Draw.
Mississippi - Anywhere's better than the old Mississippi. Win.
Missouri - Still famous for beer. Win.
Montana - Named after mountains in an area with 0 mountains. Loss.
Nebraska - And people thought the real Nebraska was bad. Loss.
Nevada - Las Vegas is now a Mexican border town, but it's no longer a desert. Draw.
New Hampshire - Good job distancing yourselves from the Massholes. Win.
New Jersey - Well, it got warmer at least. Win.
New Mexico - Well, half the state is mountains, the other half desert. Sounds familiar. Draw.
New York - Next stop: Mexican drug wars. Loss.
North Carolina - Really just the gateway for moonshiners between Florida and Kentucky still. Draw.
North Dakota - Ah, warm air. Win.
Ohio - Instead of sadness, Cleveland is overtaken by hipsters. Draw.
Oklahoma - It's not quite as flat, but it's still boring. Draw.
Oregon - And you thought Californians were bad enough. Loss.
Pennsylvania - "The Watermelon Curtain" is a terrible team nickname. Loss.
Rhode Island - Those quaint coastal towns never knew what hit them. Draw.
South Carolina - Still full of spring breakers and great beaches. Win.
South Dakota - See "Kansas", but western.
Tennessee - Memphis is now swampland. Seems fitting. Draw.
Texas - Well, there went all of the good parts of Texas. Loss.
Utah - Now this is a story all about how my state got turned upside down. Draw.
Vermont - A nice coastline without orange people? Win.
Virginia - Walter White now supplies Congress with meth. Draw.
Washington - Those hipsters and hikers are in for a rude awakening. Loss.
West Virginia - As though it couldn't get any colder. Draw.
Wisconsin - The cows have started cursing. Draw.
Wyoming - Still just a glorified rectangle, but now with no Yellowstone. Loss.
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Re: 1653: "United States Map"

Postby CharonPDX » Wed Mar 09, 2016 6:12 am UTC

Uh oh, he messed with Texas!


And, because somebody had to do it...

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Edit: I *JUST* did this, and I am good at geography (can name all 50 states no problem normally,) and yet looking at it immediately after posting, there are a few I can't figure out at first glance...
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Re: 1653: "United States Map"

Postby Pfhorrest » Wed Mar 09, 2016 6:12 am UTC

ps.02 wrote:- State that traveled the least: Probably Utah? Fairly close to home: Wisconsin, Delaware, Maine, Colorado, Minnesota

California still partially overlaps its old position. Like all of SoCal is still Cal, just... WesCal now?
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Re: 1653: "United States Map"

Postby ps.02 » Wed Mar 09, 2016 6:39 am UTC

Pfhorrest wrote:
ps.02 wrote:- State that traveled the least: Probably Utah?

California still partially overlaps its old position. Like all of SoCal is still Cal, just... WesCal now?

Yeah it does overlap, but its CG moved further than several of the others. Speaking of which, would you call the middle of your state MezCal?

CharonPDX wrote:and yet looking at it immediately after posting, there are a few I can't figure out at first glance...

Don't beat yourself up. Randall had to change many of the shapes pretty significantly. Nebraska got flattened some; Wyoming is somewhat less rectangular than before; the Kansas/Ohio border is much more ragged than the original Kansas/Missouri; Texas has some weird stuff going on (though I will say Neb. and Texas have really distinctive shapes to begin with, so they're still recognisable). Also, it doesn't help that he split Michigan, and across the whole width at that.

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Re: 1653: "United States Map"

Postby Carlington » Wed Mar 09, 2016 6:44 am UTC

...I know that this is wrong. I just can't quite figure out exactly how it's wrong. I'm not familiar enough with the normal map of the US. It's weirdly unsettling though, a kind of geographic uncanny valley.
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Re: 1653: "United States Map"

Postby chibimuse » Wed Mar 09, 2016 6:51 am UTC

Non USA person here, I'm a bit lost. All the states have been moved while still managing to maintain roughly the original outline of the country, yes? Any particular logic to how they are switched or is it all about keeping the same overall shape?

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Re: 1653: "United States Map"

Postby chridd » Wed Mar 09, 2016 7:03 am UTC

Carlington wrote:...I know that this is wrong. I just can't quite figure out exactly how it's wrong. I'm not familiar enough with the normal map of the US. It's weirdly unsettling though, a kind of geographic uncanny valley.
The states have been moved around and rotated and rearranged, while still keeping the shapes of the states and the country roughly correct, and somehow fitting the states together.

This reminds me of a puzzle I had at one point when I was really young, which was a map of the US and each state was a piece. I wonder if doing this would be possible with that puzzle.
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Re: 1653: "United States Map"

Postby Wilken » Wed Mar 09, 2016 7:50 am UTC

Challenge accepted. The Alaskan islands have been roughly kept the same, but the Hawaiian islands were moved to make them more in line with with the classic shape of Alaska.

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Re: 1653: "United States Map"

Postby Eutychus » Wed Mar 09, 2016 8:21 am UTC

Eternal Density wrote:What did you do, Randall?
What did you do?

The question that springs more to my mind is how on earth did he do it?
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Re: 1653: "United States Map"

Postby Neil_Boekend » Wed Mar 09, 2016 8:42 am UTC

Eutychus wrote:
Eternal Density wrote:What did you do, Randall?
What did you do?

The question that springs more to my mind is how on earth did he do it?

While I do not know how he made it, I can tell you how I would make it:
  1. Make a state map of the US with all states as separate layers.
  2. Make another layer on top with the outside edge of the US.
  3. Move and rotate stuff at will.
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Re: 1653: "United States Map"

Postby Eutychus » Wed Mar 09, 2016 8:55 am UTC

Neil_Boekend wrote:
  • Move and rotate stuff at will.

That looks like the tricky bit to me - like one of those slidey puzzles, with no gap to help move things around.
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Re: 1653: "United States Map"

Postby Thesh » Wed Mar 09, 2016 9:00 am UTC

Neil_Boekend wrote:
Eutychus wrote:
Eternal Density wrote:What did you do, Randall?
What did you do?

The question that springs more to my mind is how on earth did he do it?

While I do not know how he made it, I can tell you how I would make it:
  1. Make a state map of the US with all states as separate layers.
  2. Make another layer on top with the outside edge of the US.
  3. Move and rotate stuff at will.


4. Use a bit of artistic license on sizes and shapes of states.
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Re: 1653: "United States Map"

Postby Neil_Boekend » Wed Mar 09, 2016 9:19 am UTC

Thesh wrote:
Neil_Boekend wrote:
Eutychus wrote:
Eternal Density wrote:What did you do, Randall?
What did you do?

The question that springs more to my mind is how on earth did he do it?

While I do not know how he made it, I can tell you how I would make it:
  1. Make a state map of the US with all states as separate layers.
  2. Make another layer on top with the outside edge of the US.
  3. Move and rotate stuff at will.


4. Use a bit of artistic license on sizes and shapes of states.

Indeed. Note how Kansas fits in Oklahoma like Texas does in the real map. Now look at that piece of Texas and Kansas on a real map. Kansas is wider than that piece of Texas.

Eutychus wrote:
Neil_Boekend wrote:
  • Move and rotate stuff at will.

That looks like the tricky bit to me - like one of those slidey puzzles, with no gap to help move things around.

Those slidey puzzles (I assume you mean one of these)only need the gap because you can't move the pieces over each other. With a layered image project you can. The problem is that the states are not of the same size and shape. Randall found a way to cheat so little that it doesn't immediately show.
It is not very similar to those slidey puzzles.
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Re: 1653: "United States Map"

Postby CharonPDX » Wed Mar 09, 2016 9:38 am UTC

Neil_Boekend wrote:
Eutychus wrote:That looks like the tricky bit to me - like one of those slidey puzzles, with no gap to help move things around.

Those slidey puzzles (I assume you mean one of these)only need the gap because you can't move the pieces over each other. With a layered image project you can. The problem is that the states are not of the same size and shape. Randall found a way to cheat so little that it doesn't immediately show.
It is not very similar to those slidey puzzles.


More like "solving" a jigsaw puzzle by modifying the pieces to force them to fit.

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Re: 1653: "United States Map"

Postby Soupspoon » Wed Mar 09, 2016 9:44 am UTC

I was wondering (from largely a position of ignorance, given I know very little of it apart from the rough location of the rockies) about applying a height-map to each state.

...which, obviously, when a low-lying state like Florida is up against high-lying states (Oregon..? no, that one doesn't work, that looks like the coastal border of Oregon... BYGTI...) means you'd also need to move, tilt and/or twist the state in the third (or spherically-radial) dimension to avoid getting huge cliffs against each other.

And then you might get strangeness in the watercourses. If you have to tilt a state, the river flowing down it might now be asked to flow upwards, and if you twisted a largely flat state, you might induce a waterflow perpendicular to the original one. And, I'm suspecting, unless you specifically decided to translate it upwards to go some way to match the border of Montana, et al, you'd get a massive Lake Mississippi. But I'm open to correction by anyone who knows things about this.

(Meanwhile, I'm a bit torn about attempting my own version for the United Kingdom. Do I deal with the counties of each sub-nation as only interchangeable with each other, or should they swap between England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland? Because just shuffling the Four Nations around, en mass, isn't going to be that spectacular or aesthetic. Maybe I should deal with Europe as a whole (in one definition or another)... with questions such as that of is there an Italy-like country that can sit on Italy? Or am I forced to import some smaller states and patchwork the outline, while somehow jamming Italy in elsewhere..?)

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Re: 1653: "United States Map"

Postby pduthie » Wed Mar 09, 2016 9:49 am UTC

It is an impressive piece of work certainly, but to be fair most of your states have straight edges - you try that nonsense with our lovely ridiculous UK counties and see how far you get...

(Yes, that is a challenge to anyone with enough time and foolishness to try!)
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Re: 1653: "United States Map"

Postby hjordis » Wed Mar 09, 2016 10:44 am UTC

Soupspoon wrote: Maybe I should deal with Europe as a whole (in one definition or another)... with questions such as that of is there an Italy-like country that can sit on Italy? Or am I forced to import some smaller states and patchwork the outline, while somehow jamming Italy in elsewhere..?)

If he can split Michigan you can make logical splits of countries as well. Switch the lower half of Greece and Sicily and invert Great Britain for the rest of Italy. If you're including Turkey they rest of Italy is a pretty good match there with a little manipulation and maybe Croatia could go where Great Britain is? I was going to say Portugal but Croatia is going to be another tough fit. IDK The rest should be a little easier. I wouldn't have the patience though, especially with all the islands involved.
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Re: 1653: "United States Map"

Postby Thesh » Wed Mar 09, 2016 10:50 am UTC

Soupspoon wrote:is there an Italy-like country that can sit on Italy? Or am I forced to import some smaller states and patchwork the outline, while somehow jamming Italy in elsewhere..?)


Italy <=> UK
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Re: 1653: "United States Map"

Postby Soupspoon » Wed Mar 09, 2016 11:00 am UTC

hjordis wrote:
Soupspoon wrote: Maybe I should deal with Europe as a whole (in one definition or another)... with questions such as that of is there an Italy-like country that can sit on Italy? Or am I forced to import some smaller states and patchwork the outline, while somehow jamming Italy in elsewhere..?)

If he can split Michigan you can make logical splits of countries as well. Switch the lower half of Greece and Sicily and invert Great Britain for the rest of Italy. If you're including Turkey they rest of Italy is a pretty good match there with a little twerking and rotating and maybe Croatia could go where Great Britain is? I was going to say Portugal but Croatia is going to be another tough fit. IDK The rest should be a little easier. I wouldn't have the patience though, especially with all the islands involved.

If I do it (and that's a big If), I'm tempted to start off my attempt putting .de up in where .fr currently is (rotate the Czech bite as the new Bay of Biscay, perhaps?) and vice-versa, for the lulz... ;)

But Britain, first. If at all. Once I've decided which 'class' of division to use. There's Historic, Ceremonial, Metropolitan/Non-Metropolitan, Unitary Authorities, Administrative, Regional Districts, Lieutenancy Areas, Preserved Counties, etc... and all muddled around at different times in the different constituent nations of the UK. Hmmm... (I've also already got a parliamentary constituency map, that I've been using for various other purposes, which is different yet again and in far smaller fragments, so that it'd be both somewhat trivial and pointless to try to meaningfully rearrange.)

But I hear Real Life calling. Maybe later....

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Re: 1653: "United States Map"

Postby da Doctah » Wed Mar 09, 2016 11:04 am UTC

pduthie wrote:It is an impressive piece of work certainly, but to be fair most of your states have straight edges -


Actually, only three out of fifty have borders made entirely out of straight edges. Only one out of fifty has no straight edges at all.

As regards the UK, I've long toyed with the idea of such a map, but with the labels for the counties changed to a butcher's chart, so instead of Devonshire, Yorkshire, Kent you'd see flank steak, short ribs, sirloin....

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Re: 1653: "United States Map"

Postby cellocgw » Wed Mar 09, 2016 12:38 pm UTC

brakos82 wrote:Well let's see who won and lost in this scenario!
Spoiler:
Alabama - Neighbors are now Mormons instead of rednecks. Draw.
Arizona - Now a cold barren wasteland. Loss.
Arkansas - I guess Clinton's back in office? If it's Hillary, loss. Bill, draw.
California - San Diego is now El Paso. Loss.
Colorado - Still full of mountains. Draw.
Connecticut - Now somewhere around Amarillo, which smells like cow poo. Loss.
Delaware - Now renamed "Delaweh" because New Yorkers can't pronounce Delaware correctly. Draw.
Florida - Well, at least the snowbirds won't fly there for winter. Draw.
Georgia - Got rid of Alabama as a neighbor. Win.
Idaho - They're finally in the southeast like they want to be. Win.
Illinois - A tropical Chicago would be hell. Loss.
Indiana - The Indy 500 is now a stock car race. Loss.
Iowa - Just replace corn with cotton. Draw.
Kansas - If that eastern border stretches to Glacier NP, it's a win.
Kentucky - No longer an Ohio suburb. Win.
Louisiana - New Orleans is still French, but now it's because they're bordering Quebec. Draw.
Maine - No more lobsters. Loss.
Maryland - At least they got away from D.C. Win.
Massachusetts - Clam chowder has been replaced with green chiles. Win.
Michigan - Detroit is the new Oakland, but at least you won't freeze in the winter. Draw.
Minnesota - You didn't even move. Draw.
Mississippi - Anywhere's better than the old Mississippi. Win.
Missouri - Still famous for beer. Win.
Montana - Named after mountains in an area with 0 mountains. Loss.
Nebraska - And people thought the real Nebraska was bad. Loss.
Nevada - Las Vegas is now a Mexican border town, but it's no longer a desert. Draw.
New Hampshire - Good job distancing yourselves from the Massholes. Win.
New Jersey - Well, it got warmer at least. Win.
New Mexico - Well, half the state is mountains, the other half desert. Sounds familiar. Draw.
New York - Next stop: Mexican drug wars. Loss.
North Carolina - Really just the gateway for moonshiners between Florida and Kentucky still. Draw.
North Dakota - Ah, warm air. Win.
Ohio - Instead of sadness, Cleveland is overtaken by hipsters. Draw.
Oklahoma - It's not quite as flat, but it's still boring. Draw.
Oregon - And you thought Californians were bad enough. Loss.
Pennsylvania - "The Watermelon Curtain" is a terrible team nickname. Loss.
Rhode Island - Those quaint coastal towns never knew what hit them. Draw.
South Carolina - Still full of spring breakers and great beaches. Win.
South Dakota - See "Kansas", but western.
Tennessee - Memphis is now swampland. Seems fitting. Draw.
Texas - Well, there went all of the good parts of Texas. Loss.
Utah - Now this is a story all about how my state got turned upside down. Draw.
Vermont - A nice coastline without orange people? Win.
Virginia - Walter White now supplies Congress with meth. Draw.
Washington - Those hipsters and hikers are in for a rude awakening. Loss.
West Virginia - As though it couldn't get any colder. Draw.
Wisconsin - The cows have started cursing. Draw.
Wyoming - Still just a glorified rectangle, but now with no Yellowstone. Loss.


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Now it's time for some quantitative analysis to accompany that qualitative assessment. Let's see:

1) a histogram of distance moved (by centroids)
2) a separate histogram of people-distance product , i.e. populous states get bigger values.
4) a rough count of the number of Portals required to keep all the major rivers running.

And perhaps the most important, :twisted: , the net increase or decrease in required travel distance to get to a state w/ legal marijuana sales.
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Re: 1653: "United States Map"

Postby Scab » Wed Mar 09, 2016 12:38 pm UTC

And here I was thinking there was something clever about this comic that went way over my head. :P

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Re: 1653: "United States Map"

Postby Lazy Tommy » Wed Mar 09, 2016 12:49 pm UTC

da Doctah wrote:
pduthie wrote:It is an impressive piece of work certainly, but to be fair most of your states have straight edges -


Actually, only three out of fifty have borders made entirely out of straight edges. Only one out of fifty has no straight edges at all.


You're phrasing that like you're contradicting pduthie, but you're actually making his point. 8-)

Unrelated nitpick: New York appears to have lost Long Island. That's even more inelegant than moving Michigan's Upper and Lower peninsulae apart. :(

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Re: 1653: "United States Map"

Postby pduthie » Wed Mar 09, 2016 1:01 pm UTC

Lazy Tommy wrote:You're phrasing that like you're contradicting pduthie, but you're actually making his point. 8-)


Thanks - I was far too polite and British to point that out myself!
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Re: 1653: "United States Map"

Postby CharonPDX » Wed Mar 09, 2016 1:02 pm UTC

cellocgw wrote:Now it's time for some quantitative analysis to accompany that qualitative assessment. Let's see:

1) a histogram of distance moved (by centroids)
2) a separate histogram of people-distance product , i.e. populous states get bigger values.
4) a rough count of the number of Portals required to keep all the major rivers running.

And perhaps the most important, :twisted: , the net increase or decrease in required travel distance to get to a state w/ legal marijuana sales.


1 & 2 would be insane to figure out.

Where's 3?

4 - How do you decide which state gets the river for rivers that are borders between states? (Most of the Mississippi river is easy - most of its run has one of the two sides acting as a coastline, so the other side "gets the run" there, but the MS/LA border is "landlocked" on both new locations. Likewise, the Columbia river (OR/WA) is landlocked on both new locations.)

Well, on the "most important" - for my state, net zero. And splitting up Oregon and Washington, putting them both in the middle, causes a net decrease for almost all locations. Colorado didn't move very far, either. So, really, California, Idaho, and Nevada are the three "big losers" on that front. Nebraska is no longer touching a pot state, but is "fairly close", and Kansas might as well still be touching, with only the thin sliver of Oklahoma separating now. Of course, it also depends on where DC ended up. If it stayed with either of its two touching states, then California is fine, and Nebraska is in better shape (than compared to Colorado.) But if it is in its original location, that would put it pretty much in the middle of Arkansas now, close enough to Oregon that only NJ would really "benefit".

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Re: 1653: "United States Map"

Postby cellocgw » Wed Mar 09, 2016 1:48 pm UTC

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Actually, only three out of fifty have borders made entirely out of straight edges. Only one out of fifty has no straight edges at all.



And now we enter the exciting world of Fractals. There may be some bits of state boundaries which follow a smooth (i.e. everywhere differentiable) curve, but mostly all the borders are straight edges -- just very short ones.

So now we need to ask: how many states have borders consisting of N (N >=3 for obvious reasons :lol: ) straight segments?

Back to that one out of 50 w/ "no straight edges" - How exactly is the national/international waters border laid out? I doubt it follows all the coastal wiggles.
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Re: 1653: "United States Map"

Postby LittleBunnyFuFu » Wed Mar 09, 2016 2:28 pm UTC

wow... Being from Michigan this is surprising. The Mackinac bridge just got a lot longer. And I mean A LOT.
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Re: 1653: "United States Map"

Postby project2051 » Wed Mar 09, 2016 2:47 pm UTC

LittleBunnyFuFu wrote:wow... Being from Michigan this is surprising. The Mackinac bridge just got a lot longer. And I mean A LOT.


I just came here to say that the long drive up into the U.P. just got a whole lot longer.

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Re: 1653: "United States Map"

Postby Canard » Wed Mar 09, 2016 2:57 pm UTC

Looks like I've got it figured differently to quite a lot of people on here - I assumed the geographical features of the US would remain the same, it was just a case of the borders being changed. For example, the Mississippi River would probably start in Missouri now and flow through Wisconsin, East Texas, North Dakota and reach the Gulf of Mexico in Idaho or possibly Rhode Island. Although I hadn't decided if the cities would move with the states, or if they stay where they currently are (e.g. Orlando could be in Central Illinois).

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Re: 1653: "United States Map"

Postby Boilerplate » Wed Mar 09, 2016 3:05 pm UTC

da Doctah wrote:Actually, only three out of fifty have borders made entirely out of straight edges.


Actually, no states have straight edges. The straightest edges are still great circles.

If you treat great circles as "straight" then none have all straight edges, because lines of latitude are curved.

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Re: 1653: "United States Map"

Postby Boilerplate » Wed Mar 09, 2016 3:05 pm UTC

Most distorted, least recognizable state: Minnesota.

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Re: 1653: "United States Map"

Postby PointSpecial » Wed Mar 09, 2016 3:07 pm UTC

project2051 wrote:
LittleBunnyFuFu wrote:wow... Being from Michigan this is surprising. The Mackinac bridge just got a lot longer. And I mean A LOT.


I just came here to say that the long drive up into the U.P. just got a whole lot longer.


And, interestingly, the U.P. wasn't replaced. It's all now just one giant(er) Lake Michiperior?

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Re: 1653: "United States Map"

Postby jc » Wed Mar 09, 2016 3:09 pm UTC

Boilerplate wrote:
da Doctah wrote:Actually, only three out of fifty have borders made entirely out of straight edges.

Actually, no states have straight edges. The straightest edges are still great circles.

If you treat great circles as "straight" then none have all straight edges, because lines of latitude are curved.

One of the fun US-geography trivia questions is to name the state border that is an arc of a circle (without looking it up). There really is one such border segment, though most people aren't aware of it.

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Re: 1653: "United States Map"

Postby cellocgw » Wed Mar 09, 2016 3:14 pm UTC

jc wrote:
Boilerplate wrote:
da Doctah wrote:Actually, only three out of fifty have borders made entirely out of straight edges.

Actually, no states have straight edges. The straightest edges are still great circles.

If you treat great circles as "straight" then none have all straight edges, because lines of latitude are curved.

One of the fun US-geography trivia questions is to name the state border that is an arc of a circle (without looking it up). There really is one such border segment, though most people aren't aware of it.


Spoiler:
MIssissippi -- Alabama
? (must confess I did look at a map)
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