1698: "Theft Quadrants"

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1698: "Theft Quadrants"

Postby Mauthe Dhoo » Fri Jun 24, 2016 12:17 pm UTC

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Alt-Text: TinyURL was the most popular link shortener for long enough that it made it into a lot of printed publications. I wonder what year the domain will finally lapse and get picked up by a porn site.

This is why we have Perma.cc!
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Re: 1698: "Theft Quadrants"

Postby Neil_Boekend » Fri Jun 24, 2016 12:18 pm UTC

I hope it gets used for the ultimate Rickroll.
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Re: 1698: "Theft Quadrants"

Postby cellocgw » Fri Jun 24, 2016 1:41 pm UTC

Interesting variation on the Prisoner's Dilemma.

Tho' I happen to know a few gearheads who would drool at the chance to steal a wienermobile.

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Re: 1698: "Theft Quadrants"

Postby rmsgrey » Fri Jun 24, 2016 1:50 pm UTC

cellocgw wrote:Interesting variation on the Prisoner's Dilemma.


I don't think this qualifies as a PD variant, any more than Pascal's Wager does...

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Re: 1698: "Theft Quadrants"

Postby theModge » Fri Jun 24, 2016 1:55 pm UTC

I note that purl.org has been having difficulties of late, ironic for a site dedicated to permanence...

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Re: 1698: "Theft Quadrants"

Postby JimsMaher » Fri Jun 24, 2016 2:28 pm UTC

Suppose, in a hundred years or whenever, when today's hyperlinking protocols is obsolete, some philanthropic organization takes stewardship of addresses as they would pass into obsolescence. They might redirect queries to archived versions or, if lacking a preserved version, provide the most relevant information available about the site.

Archival internetting has already been going on with the Internet Archive/Wayback Machine. There was also Google's cached versions of pages ... but I guess there was enough yelling (?) that Google had to stop.

If preservation of publicly accessible, online materials is already a thing, despite being a hairy concern in the present, then it's easy to infer that once intellectual property rights of defunct websites begin to pass into the public domain there will be a veritable treasure trove of outdated links to salvage from the heap of squatters that might inevitably gather, atleast in the waning years of the internet as we know it today.

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Re: 1698: "Theft Quadrants"

Postby wumpus » Fri Jun 24, 2016 4:51 pm UTC

Nuclear launch codes: Presumably these are what the President gets from the football, not the "0000" that for all we know is still used to arm the nuclear weapons.

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Re: 1698: "Theft Quadrants"

Postby Soupspoon » Fri Jun 24, 2016 6:00 pm UTC

wumpus wrote:Nuclear launch codes: Presumably these are what the President gets from the football, not the "0000" that for all we know is still used to arm the nuclear weapons.

I thought it was 12345... (I've got the same combination on my luggage...)

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Re: 1698: "Theft Quadrants"

Postby Coyoty » Fri Jun 24, 2016 7:27 pm UTC

I get nuclear lunch codes from Chinese menus.

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Re: 1698: "Theft Quadrants"

Postby popman » Fri Jun 24, 2016 11:01 pm UTC

Mauthe Dhoo wrote:-- snip --
This is why we have Perma.cc!


Isn't that just archive.is with a snazzier look, and people relocating content?


On topic though, It's probably a good thing that tinyurl uses 301 redirects as they're cached forever.
My opinion is, as always, url shortening was a fucking awful idea.
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Re: 1698: "Theft Quadrants"

Postby Xanthir » Fri Jun 24, 2016 11:21 pm UTC

I blame early Twitter.
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Re: 1698: "Theft Quadrants"

Postby Mauthe Dhoo » Sat Jun 25, 2016 12:40 am UTC

popman wrote:
Mauthe Dhoo wrote:-- snip --
This is why we have Perma.cc!


Isn't that just archive.is with a snazzier look, and people relocating content?


On topic though, It's probably a good thing that tinyurl uses 301 redirects as they're cached forever.
My opinion is, as always, url shortening was a fucking awful idea.


I disagree - url shorteners have been exceedingly useful to me and many others for a long time.

As for archives, I don't know much about the various alternatives that are available, and your post made me curious so I looked into it.

I see two primary differences between Perma.cc and Archive.is. First is that Perma.cc lets users log in and curate their links, which is a very helpful function for scholarly work. Second is that Perma.cc is run by a consortium of libraries, for which the service is only one part of a larger, well-established, and well-funded preservation mission, which makes it sufficiently reliable for my purposes. I looked at the Archive.is FAQ and blog, and it appears to be a hobbyist side project run by a couple of altruistic individuals who had the opportunity to share server space they weren't using. They appear to have been wading through three years of controversy about national censorship, child porn removal, and ineffectual piracy, which is a lot of liability exposure to expect a few private individuals running a few private servers to endure for decades to come. Since a moderated login is required for Perma.cc, that sort of crap stays off the archive, and the technical and legal fortitude of giant old university libraries serve as a stronger defense against bad actors.

Looking around, I found some other alternatives like also WebCite, which is a competitor that seems to have been born from the open access movement and is associated with U Toronto, but it's private too. Archive.org of course has a broader purpose, but might be a viable alternative.

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Re: 1698: "Theft Quadrants"

Postby xtifr » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:36 am UTC

Bah, URL-shorteners are for wimps. What you need is a URL-terrorizer like ShadyUrl. They may or may not end up short, but they're pretty much guaranteed to end up scarier!

Click on this if you dare (yes, it's perfectly safe—for now): http://www.5z8.info/barely-legal_s4m7ps_-----TAKE.TWITTER.LOGIN-----

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Re: 1698: "Theft Quadrants"

Postby Copper Bezel » Sat Jun 25, 2016 2:16 am UTC

Aw, I was hoping for Rick Astley.
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Re: 1698: "Theft Quadrants"

Postby ps.02 » Sat Jun 25, 2016 3:24 am UTC

Copper Bezel wrote:Aw, I was hoping for Rick Astley.

Oh man, we the Internet are never gonna give that up, are we?

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Re: 1698: "Theft Quadrants"

Postby rmsgrey » Sun Jun 26, 2016 5:23 pm UTC

ps.02 wrote:
Copper Bezel wrote:Aw, I was hoping for Rick Astley.

Oh man, we the Internet are never gonna give that up, are we?


At least we're never gonna let you down...

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Re: 1698: "Theft Quadrants"

Postby Keyman » Mon Jun 27, 2016 12:38 pm UTC

Rarely do so many posts come together to lead us directly to this:

http://www.5z8.info/--INITIATE-CREDIT-C ... n_rickroll
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Re: 1698: "Theft Quadrants"

Postby flicky1991 » Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:30 pm UTC

Why do those 5z8.info links never work for me?
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Re: 1698: "Theft Quadrants"

Postby Mauthe Dhoo » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:09 pm UTC

I'm so disappointed that I can't get them to work, because a link shadyfier is about the funniest thing I've seen in a month!

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Re: 1698: "Theft Quadrants"

Postby Old Bruce » Tue Jun 28, 2016 2:45 pm UTC

Imagine two alternate worlds. The first has the Oscar Mayer Wienermobile and the TinyURL.com Domain Name more difficult to steal than either the crown jewels or the launch codes. This is not an impossible to imagine world, it only requires one or more individuals with more money than Croesus and the desire to protect a novelty car and a fancy hat.

In the second world changes the relationship of how bad the thefts would be. Would that world be more or less frightening than this one? Someone steals the crown jewels and that means we all die, the theft of the Wienermobile has a worse effect than the Internet being crippled.

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Re: 1698: "Theft Quadrants"

Postby SuicideJunkie » Tue Jun 28, 2016 5:33 pm UTC

For your 2nd world:
1) Imagine all the launch codes are set to say 000000, and the use of the system depends on the classic chain of people instead.
2) Imagine if people simply told these folks to stop being silly with their links instead of blindly making clicks of faith daily.

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Re: 1698: "Theft Quadrants"

Postby 12obin » Tue Jun 28, 2016 10:52 pm UTC

I suspect it's a pretty specific niche of porn that wants to associate itself with the word "tiny", so we might be safe.


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