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1717: "Pyramid Honey"

Postby taixzo » Mon Aug 08, 2016 1:56 pm UTC

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Alt text: "They CLAIM honey was found in the chambers under the pyramids, but this conspiracy goes all the way to the TOP, where the GIANT EYE is!"

The real conspiracy is that the pyramids were made of honey all along!
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1717: "Pyramid Honey"

Postby Alsadius » Mon Aug 08, 2016 1:56 pm UTC

Seems logical to me that honey would have an infinite shelf life. I mean, it'd be crystallized to hell and gone, but it's mostly sugar, and no bacteria can grow in sugar that concentrated - the osmotic pressure desiccates them too much(same way salt works as a preservative). As long as you keep the vermin out, you should be fine.
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Re: 1717: "Pyramid Honey"

Postby Neil_Boekend » Mon Aug 08, 2016 2:00 pm UTC

Well, not infinite. At some point the heat death of the universe can be expected to decrease the quality of the honey.
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Re: 1717: "Pyramid Honey"

Postby Alsadius » Mon Aug 08, 2016 2:03 pm UTC

Yes, but the heat death of the universe would degrade the quality of the observer first, and by the First Law of Pop Quantum Mechanics, anything that isn't observed doesn't actually happen, and it just hangs like a decade-old computer instead.

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Re: 1717: "Pyramid Honey"

Postby Mercurywoodrose » Mon Aug 08, 2016 2:11 pm UTC

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LIQUID HONEY DOES NOT MELT GRANITE AND LIMESTONE!
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Re: 1717: "Pyramid Honey"

Postby Alsadius » Mon Aug 08, 2016 2:14 pm UTC

Mercurywoodrose wrote:LIQUID HONEY DOES NOT MELT GRANITE AND LIMESTONE!


WAKE UP BEEPLE!

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Re: 1717: "Pyramid Honey"

Postby Keyman » Mon Aug 08, 2016 2:16 pm UTC

Would this be an example of "BHGsplaining"?
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Re: 1717: "Pyramid Honey"

Postby Mercurywoodrose » Mon Aug 08, 2016 2:17 pm UTC

AHAHAHAHAHA

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Re: 1717: "Pyramid Honey"

Postby cellocgw » Mon Aug 08, 2016 2:28 pm UTC

Alsadius wrote:
Seems logical to me that honey would have an infinite shelf life. I mean, it'd be crystallized to hell and gone, but it's mostly sugar, and no bacteria can grow in sugar that concentrated - the osmotic pressure desiccates them too much(same way salt works as a preservative). As long as you keep the vermin out, you should be fine.


Yeah, but the claim was that the honey was still "good." Your definition of "good" may vary from mine :D

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You just had to go there, didn'tya? Anyway, it's more a case of BHG not listening to a potential [insert generic term]splaining, since he was happy to listen to the info for a brief moment.
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Re: 1717: "Pyramid Honey"

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Re: 1717: "Pyramid Honey"

Postby Alsadius » Mon Aug 08, 2016 2:32 pm UTC

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Alsadius wrote:
Seems logical to me that honey would have an infinite shelf life. I mean, it'd be crystallized to hell and gone, but it's mostly sugar, and no bacteria can grow in sugar that concentrated - the osmotic pressure desiccates them too much(same way salt works as a preservative). As long as you keep the vermin out, you should be fine.


Yeah, but the claim was that the honey was still "good." Your definition of "good" may vary from mine :D


In my experience, crystallized honey can be brought back to usability with a short zap in the microwave. Now all you need is a microwave powered by honey that can withstand the heat death of the universe, and you'll be fine.

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Re: 1717: "Pyramid Honey"

Postby Whizbang » Mon Aug 08, 2016 2:33 pm UTC

I think we're all missing the larger question.

Why was there honey in the pyramid?

I don't want to jump too far to a conclusion but it seems reasonable to me to assume that the bees built the pyramids.

Bees are aliens.

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Re: 1717: "Pyramid Honey"

Postby cryptoengineer » Mon Aug 08, 2016 2:41 pm UTC

Megan's skepticism is well placed.

The Smithsonian article (which parrots the notion that edible honey was found in ancient Egyptian tombs), has been traced back and thoroughly debunked.

http://the-life-i-read.blogspot.ca/2013 ... -weed.html

TL,DNR: It turns out that the root reference is to some natron solution (which is non-edible) which was found in a tomb, and the archaeologist's write up described it as having a honey-like consistency. Dried, honey-stained materials are often found in tombs, and the entrapped pollen grains are a valuable source of information about the plants growing at the time of burial. But ancient edible honey has not been found.

Processed (ie, filtered) honey does have an amazingly long shelf life if sealed away from air - many years, even decades. Exposed to air, it is hygroscopic and will pull water out of the atmosphere, eventually becoming dilute enough for yeasts to grow (and make mead :wink: ).

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Re: 1717: "Pyramid Honey"

Postby Alsadius » Mon Aug 08, 2016 2:52 pm UTC

cryptoengineer wrote:Processed (ie, filtered) honey does have an amazingly long shelf life if sealed away from air - many years, even decades. Exposed to air, it is hygroscopic and will pull water out of the atmosphere, eventually becoming dilute enough for yeasts to grow (and make mead :wink: ).


What's the mechanism for decay if it is kept airtight?

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Re: 1717: "Pyramid Honey"

Postby Flumble » Mon Aug 08, 2016 3:05 pm UTC

Mercurywoodrose wrote:LIQUID HONEY DOES NOT MELT GRANITE AND LIMESTONE!

ISIS DID 8/12! ACTIUM WAS AN INSIDE JOB!


Now can anyone tell me why black hat is being so tame? He's supposed to build a time machine, rig the pyramids with honey traps and fill the tombs with bee carcasses. Or replace the sarcophagus with a cryogenic pod filled with aggressive bees. At least something more extreme than some snarky comments.

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Re: 1717: "Pyramid Honey"

Postby cryptoengineer » Mon Aug 08, 2016 3:21 pm UTC

Alsadius wrote:
cryptoengineer wrote:Processed (ie, filtered) honey does have an amazingly long shelf life if sealed away from air - many years, even decades. Exposed to air, it is hygroscopic and will pull water out of the atmosphere, eventually becoming dilute enough for yeasts to grow (and make mead :wink: ).


What's the mechanism for decay if it is kept airtight?


I'm venturing beyond my comfort zone here (I have a biochemistry degree, but that's very old). Honey contains a large number of organic compounds, including amino and organic acids (its pH is very low), as well as some peroxides. Even in the absence of micro organisms, chemical reactions can occur, but slowly. 'Old' honey has been described as darkening, though still edible at least 10 years out. Honey can also (reversibly) crystallize. I don't know at what point it becomes inedible. Its a long time, but at a WAG I'd be pretty dubious of 100 year old honey.

Bees evolved their honey production to create a food that could tide them over a single winter, not fuel a voyage to Alpha Centaurus.

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Re: 1717: "Pyramid Honey"

Postby Keyman » Mon Aug 08, 2016 3:41 pm UTC

Whizbang wrote:I think we're all missing the larger question.

Why was there honey in the pyramid?

I don't want to jump too far to a conclusion but it seems reasonable to me to assume that the bees built the pyramids.

Bees are aliens.

QED

cryptoengineer wrote:Bees evolved their honey production to create a food that could tide them over a single winter, not fuel a voyage to from Alpha Centaurus.

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Re: 1717: "Pyramid Honey"

Postby Weeks » Mon Aug 08, 2016 3:50 pm UTC

cryptoengineer wrote:Megan's skepticism is well placed.[...]
That was very interesting. I've also seen these claims about honey, but I didn't know that the tomb of Yuaa and Thuaa (Yuya and Thuya/Tjuyu?) were the main source of that claim. And Wikipedia still lists this claim on the Honey article, but I don't know that that blog post counts as notable enough to cite for an edit.

cryptoengineer wrote:Its a long time, but at a WAG I'd be pretty dubious of 100 year old honey.
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Re: 1717: "Pyramid Honey"

Postby Soupspoon » Mon Aug 08, 2016 4:00 pm UTC

Wild-(Assed|Arsed) Guess.

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Re: 1717: "Pyramid Honey"

Postby Weeks » Mon Aug 08, 2016 4:05 pm UTC

See I thought it'd be like a honey fair somewhere. The WAG Honey Fair.
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Re: 1717: "Pyramid Honey"

Postby cellocgw » Mon Aug 08, 2016 4:11 pm UTC

cryptoengineer wrote:Honey can also (reversibly) crystallize. I don't know at what point it becomes inedible. Its a long time, but at a WAG I'd be pretty dubious of 100 year old honey.

Bees evolved their honey production to create a food that could tide them over a single winter, not fuel a voyage to Alpha Centaurus.


Guess it depends on how fast the bees can get there.

Reference #1: Bees making the Kessel Run faster than humans.
Reference #2: Winter Is Coming (and reputed to last many years, so the bees need honey to last a longish time)
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Re: 1717: "Pyramid Honey"

Postby Jorpho » Mon Aug 08, 2016 4:13 pm UTC

I was expecting the proposed phenomenon to be attributed not to the remarkable longevity of honey, but rather to the heretofore undocumented preservation capabilities of pyramid-shaped structures. I'm sure someone somewhere is already ranting about that.

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Re: 1717: "Pyramid Honey"

Postby orthogon » Mon Aug 08, 2016 4:13 pm UTC

cellocgw wrote:Reference #1: Bees making the Kessel Run faster than humans.

Don't you mean "shorter"?
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Re: 1717: "Pyramid Honey"

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orthogon wrote:
cellocgw wrote:Reference #1: Bees making the Kessel Run faster than humans.

Don't you mean "shorter"?


Depends on the meaning of "making" :P Don'tcha just love the English language's plethora of ambiguities?
(not to mention "Do Kessels run faster than humans can?' )
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Re: 1717: "Pyramid Honey"

Postby somitomi » Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:53 pm UTC

cryptoengineer wrote:Bees evolved their honey production to create a food that could tide them over a single winter, not fuel a voyage to Alpha Centaurus.

How do you know they aren't just waiting around for us to develop a suitable spacecraft, and then nick it the first chance they get?
Flumble wrote:Now can anyone tell me why black hat is being so tame? He's supposed to build a time machine, rig the pyramids with honey traps and fill the tombs with bee carcasses. Or replace the sarcophagus with a cryogenic pod filled with aggressive bees. At least something more extreme than some snarky comments.

Either he's taking a break, or this is just a decoy to distract us from what he's really up to.
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Re: 1717: "Pyramid Honey"

Postby airdrik » Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:55 pm UTC

Flumble wrote:
Mercurywoodrose wrote:LIQUID HONEY DOES NOT MELT GRANITE AND LIMESTONE!

ISIS DID 8/12! ACTIUM WAS AN INSIDE JOB!


Now can anyone tell me why black hat is being so tame? He's supposed to build a time machine, rig the pyramids with honey traps and fill the tombs with bee carcasses. Or replace the sarcophagus with a cryogenic pod filled with aggressive bees. At least something more extreme than some snarky comments.

Seems pretty BHG-ish to me. He interrupted their highly productive conversation where Megan was trying to introduce Cueball to new evidence which disproves the myth. BHG totally derails the whole thing - not just their conversation, but takes it upon himself to derail all the efforts to debunk the myth by making it into a common conspiracy theory that the public has been developing a healthy skepticism towards.
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Re: 1717: "Pyramid Honey"

Postby commodorejohn » Mon Aug 08, 2016 6:17 pm UTC

cryptoengineer wrote:Exposed to air, it is hygroscopic and will pull water out of the atmosphere, eventually becoming dilute enough for yeasts to grow (and make mead :wink: ).

...be right back, gotta raid some tombs.

Mmm...mead...
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Re: 1717: "Pyramid Honey"

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cellocgw wrote:
cryptoengineer wrote:Bees evolved their honey production to create a food that could tide them over a single winter, not fuel a voyage to Alpha Centaurus.


Guess it depends on how fast the bees can get there.


Pausing here to note that "Relativistic Bees" would be a great name for a rock band.

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Re: 1717: "Pyramid Honey"

Postby gmalivuk » Mon Aug 08, 2016 6:52 pm UTC

This is now the official comic thread, but I moved taixzo's OP here because it was first (by 6 seconds) and because it actually linked to the comic page as dictated in the forum rules.
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Re: 1717: "Pyramid Honey"

Postby Quizatzhaderac » Mon Aug 08, 2016 6:56 pm UTC

Mercurywoodrose wrote:LIQUID HONEY DOES NOT MELT GRANITE AND LIMESTONE!
Dumb-ass. I built my porch using honey to melt granite block joints together.

It's not hard, it took the guy at home depot, like, six minutes to teach me.
cellocgw wrote:Guess it depends on how fast the bees can get there.
We still can't even explain how bees are able to fly in space.
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Re: 1717: "Pyramid Honey"

Postby chompison » Mon Aug 08, 2016 6:58 pm UTC

What they found in the pyramid wasn't honey. It was the morning gunk from the eye.

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Re: 1717: "Pyramid Honey"

Postby Soupspoon » Mon Aug 08, 2016 8:21 pm UTC

Quizatzhaderac wrote:We still can't even explain how bees are able to fly in space.
It's not their flying in space that interests me, it's their flying in time...

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Re: 1717: "Pyramid Honey"

Postby The Moomin » Mon Aug 08, 2016 8:33 pm UTC

They can combine it with the thousand year old butter from the peat bog to make sandwiches.
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Re: 1717: "Pyramid Honey"

Postby commodorejohn » Mon Aug 08, 2016 8:34 pm UTC

Soupspoon wrote:
Quizatzhaderac wrote:We still can't even explain how bees are able to fly in space.
It's not their flying in space that interests me, it's their flying in time...

No, no, no, you're thinking of time flies.

(Spoiler: they like an arrow.)
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Re: 1717: "Pyramid Honey"

Postby Soupspoon » Mon Aug 08, 2016 8:46 pm UTC

commodorejohn wrote:
Soupspoon wrote:
Quizatzhaderac wrote:We still can't even explain how bees are able to fly in space.
It's not their flying in space that interests me, it's their flying in time...

No, no, no, you're thinking of time flies.

(Spoiler: they like an arrow.)

Especially when you're having fun.

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Re: 1717: "Pyramid Honey"

Postby Quizatzhaderac » Mon Aug 08, 2016 9:19 pm UTC

That's fruit, as in "when the fruit starts flying" describes a good time breaking out.
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Re: 1717: "Pyramid Honey"

Postby dtilque » Mon Aug 08, 2016 9:58 pm UTC

cellocgw wrote:
cryptoengineer wrote:Bees evolved their honey production to create a food that could tide them over a single winter, not fuel a voyage to Alpha Centaurus.


Guess it depends on how fast the bees can get there.

Reference #1: Bees making the Kessel Run faster than humans.


But Kessel is at Gliese 1132, not Alpha C.
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Re: 1717: "Pyramid Honey"

Postby Rombobjörn » Tue Aug 09, 2016 10:21 am UTC

cryptoengineer wrote:
Alsadius wrote:What's the mechanism for decay if it is kept airtight?

I'm venturing beyond my comfort zone here (I have a biochemistry degree, but that's very old). Honey contains a large number of organic compounds, including amino and organic acids (its pH is very low), as well as some peroxides. Even in the absence of micro organisms, chemical reactions can occur, but slowly. 'Old' honey has been described as darkening, though still edible at least 10 years out. Honey can also (reversibly) crystallize. I don't know at what point it becomes inedible. Its a long time, but at a WAG I'd be pretty dubious of 100 year old honey.

Organic matter sealed away from air has been known to turn into coal or petroleum. I expect that honey would become something similar, given enough time.

The Moomin wrote:They can combine it with the thousand year old butter from the peat bog to make sandwiches.

They'd also need some ancient bread.

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Re: 1717: "Pyramid Honey"

Postby Neil_Boekend » Tue Aug 09, 2016 10:50 am UTC

dtilque wrote:
cellocgw wrote:
cryptoengineer wrote:Bees evolved their honey production to create a food that could tide them over a single winter, not fuel a voyage to Alpha Centaurus.


Guess it depends on how fast the bees can get there.

Reference #1: Bees making the Kessel Run faster than humans.


But Kessel is at Gliese 1132, not Alpha C.

Hmm, they must have learned how to navigate from the vikings after they got stranded here. I wonder what their original destination was?
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Re: 1717: "Pyramid Honey"

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Neil_Boekend wrote:I wonder what their original destination was?

Just there, over to the top-right..


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