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1758: "Astrophysics"

Postby Zinho » Fri Nov 11, 2016 1:13 pm UTC

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DEPARTMENT OF NEUROSCIENCE / Motto: "If I hear the phrase 'mirror neurons' I swear to God I will flip this table."


Is it a coincident that this week a paper got published saying that gravity is an emergent property, similar to the Casimir effect?

I had to look up the 'mirror neurons' thing; they really don't do what people want them to.

Off topic, what is up with all the necroposting lately? It seems like all the recent discussions are being crowded out with people's random thoughts on ancient topics. I give even odds that after I post this thread someone else makes another because mine's been knocked off the front page already...
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Re: 1758: "Astrophysics"

Postby cellocgw » Fri Nov 11, 2016 1:31 pm UTC

Zinho wrote:Is it a coincident that this week a paper got published saying that gravity is an emergent property, similar to the Casimir effect?


Almost a dead certainty it's not a coincidence.

But it does remind me of one of my favorite lines. Extra bonus internetz to anyone who recognizes the source.
" I don't get it captain. How come we fell up ?"
" Well, in this sector of the galaxy, gravity is not so much a law as more of a local ordinance."

Also- if there's no mirror neurons then why do we love watching porn? :oops:
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Re: 1758: "Astrophysics"

Postby Hagdos » Fri Nov 11, 2016 1:44 pm UTC

I'm gonna guess something from Discworld.

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Re: 1758: "Astrophysics"

Postby jewish_scientist » Fri Nov 11, 2016 1:59 pm UTC

I feel an obligation to mention MoND dispute not understanding it.

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Re: 1758: "Astrophysics"

Postby Keyman » Fri Nov 11, 2016 2:14 pm UTC

cellocgw wrote:But it does remind me of one of my favorite lines. Extra bonus internetz to anyone who recognizes the source.
" I don't get it captain. How come we fell up ?"
" Well, in this sector of the galaxy, gravity is not so much a law as more of a local ordinance."

I'll admit to it being vaguely familiar (sound awfully HHGTG-ish) but being in a hurry to try to claim the prize, I googled "gravity is not so much a law as more of a local ordinance"...and got a whole page riddled with "Knives and the Second Amendment", "Knife Rights", "Knife Legislation"...

What the hell are you reading??? :shock:
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Re: 1758: "Astrophysics"

Postby ThemePark » Fri Nov 11, 2016 2:24 pm UTC

Keyman wrote:
cellocgw wrote:But it does remind me of one of my favorite lines. Extra bonus internetz to anyone who recognizes the source.
" I don't get it captain. How come we fell up ?"
" Well, in this sector of the galaxy, gravity is not so much a law as more of a local ordinance."

I'll admit to it being vaguely familiar (sound awfully HHGTG-ish) but being in a hurry to try to claim the prize, I googled "gravity is not so much a law as more of a local ordinance"...and got a whole page riddled with "Knives and the Second Amendment", "Knife Rights", "Knife Legislation"...

What the hell are you reading??? :shock:

I got somewhat the same, and it's the word law that triggers it, but why it's specifically laws of knives I have no idea.

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Scratch that, the Knife Legislation article also contains the words gravity and local, making it top of my search on both accounts.
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Re: 1758: "Astrophysics"

Postby Zylon » Fri Nov 11, 2016 2:47 pm UTC

That seems like more of a creed than a motto.

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Re: 1758: "Astrophysics"

Postby cellocgw » Fri Nov 11, 2016 3:03 pm UTC

Keyman wrote:
cellocgw wrote:But it does remind me of one of my favorite lines. Extra bonus internetz to anyone who recognizes the source.
" I don't get it captain. How come we fell up ?"
" Well, in this sector of the galaxy, gravity is not so much a law as more of a local ordinance."

I'll admit to it being vaguely familiar (sound awfully HHGTG-ish) but being in a hurry to try to claim the prize, I googled "gravity is not so much a law as more of a local ordinance"...and got a whole page riddled with "Knives and the Second Amendment", "Knife Rights", "Knife Legislation"...

What the hell are you reading??? :shock:


To the best of my knowledge, other than the original script, it's not written anywhere. Hint (probably useless :( ) King Biscuit Flower Hour.
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Re: 1758: "Astrophysics"

Postby DanD » Fri Nov 11, 2016 3:31 pm UTC

ThemePark wrote:
Keyman wrote:
cellocgw wrote:But it does remind me of one of my favorite lines. Extra bonus internetz to anyone who recognizes the source.
" I don't get it captain. How come we fell up ?"
" Well, in this sector of the galaxy, gravity is not so much a law as more of a local ordinance."

I'll admit to it being vaguely familiar (sound awfully HHGTG-ish) but being in a hurry to try to claim the prize, I googled "gravity is not so much a law as more of a local ordinance"...and got a whole page riddled with "Knives and the Second Amendment", "Knife Rights", "Knife Legislation"...

What the hell are you reading??? :shock:

I got somewhat the same, and it's the word law that triggers it, but why it's specifically laws of knives I have no idea.

Edit:
Scratch that, the Knife Legislation article also contains the words gravity and local, making it top of my search on both accounts.


Knife law is incredibly convoluted in the US. So it's not that surprising that "law" and "local ordinance" would trigger on it.

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Re: 1758: "Astrophysics"

Postby orthogon » Fri Nov 11, 2016 5:09 pm UTC

cellocgw wrote:Also- if there's no mirror neurons then why do we love watching porn? :oops:


That reminds me of an article by Ben Goldacre about whether porn should be provided in hospitals to help men produce sperm for IVF. It's a fascinating discussion, because porn turns out to have a positive effect on the sperm count of the result, and on the chance of conception. Particularly interesting is the increase in sperm count that occurs when another male is featured in the images. His assumption seems to be that it's more about competition than about vicarious enjoyment of the sex, though I don't know how he comes to that conclusion.
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Re: 1758: "Astrophysics"

Postby Zinho » Fri Nov 11, 2016 6:49 pm UTC

cellocgw wrote:
Zinho wrote:Is it a coincident that this week a paper got published saying that gravity is an emergent property, similar to the Casimir effect?


Almost a dead certainty it's not a coincidence.

But it does remind me of one of my favorite lines. Extra bonus internetz to anyone who recognizes the source.
" I don't get it captain. How come we fell up ?"
" Well, in this sector of the galaxy, gravity is not so much a law as more of a local ordinance."

That sounds like it ought to be from a Blackadder season set in space, which I'm fairly certain never happened. And needs to.
cellocgw wrote:Also- if there's no mirror neurons then why do we love watching porn? :oops:

The problem isn't that mirror neurons don't exist, it's that people want them to do things that they just don't. The big one appears to be that they want mirror neurons to cause empathy, when it's probably the other way around (empathy causes mirror neurons to fire). The article I linked points out that watching a pro tennis match doesn't turn you into a pro tennis player, even though mirror neurons will fire as you watch.

So in your example, watching people go through the motions of being evolutionarily successful may coincide with mirror neurons firing (they probably do, since they fire when you watch many kinds of things). That doesn't mean that those neurons are making you evolutionarily successful; it may mean that you feel evolutionarily successful when watching, which would explain why people like it (and possibly the addictive/compulsive nature of some people's viewing habits). Under no circumstances should you try to publish a paper in a neuroscience journal stating that mirror neurons make people like watching porn, claiming certainty "because mirror neurons", on pain of having the table flipped.

Applying wishful thinking to mirror neurons is exactly the type of thing H. L. Mencken was referring to when he stated:
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Re: 1758: "Astrophysics"

Postby Jorpho » Fri Nov 11, 2016 7:46 pm UTC

There's a good joke in here somewhere, but the idea of a building with a giant sign that says "MOTTO:" just doesn't click with me at all. I mean, The Simpsons does this sort of thing all the time without having to swing the proverbial hammer like that.

It doesn't even have any of the characteristics that might be associated with a "motto". More of a "slogan".

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Re: 1758: "Astrophysics"

Postby kentrak » Fri Nov 11, 2016 7:46 pm UTC

cellocgw wrote:To the best of my knowledge, other than the original script, it's not written anywhere. Hint (probably useless :( ) King Biscuit Flower Hour.


That hint makes no sense to me, but that quote seems familiar enough (even if I can't quite place it) that it's driving me nuts.

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Re: 1758: "Astrophysics"

Postby somitomi » Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:11 pm UTC

Keyman wrote:I'll admit to it being vaguely familiar (sound awfully HHGTG-ish)

It sounded really Adamsesque (Adamsish? Adamsean? Nnnyehh, none of these sound particularly good) to me as well, but I've never in my life heard of
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Zinho wrote:That sounds like it ought to be from a Blackadder season set in space, which I'm fairly certain never happened. And needs to.

That needs to be a thing. Also, I need to watch Blackadder properly once. When a classmate introduced me to it, I could only find a disorganised clump of random episodes.
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Re: 1758: "Astrophysics"

Postby rmsgrey » Fri Nov 11, 2016 9:00 pm UTC

somitomi wrote:
Keyman wrote:I'll admit to it being vaguely familiar (sound awfully HHGTG-ish)

It sounded really Adamsesque (Adamsish? Adamsean? Nnnyehh, none of these sound particularly good) to me as well, but I've never in my life heard of
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Zinho wrote:That sounds like it ought to be from a Blackadder season set in space, which I'm fairly certain never happened. And needs to.

That needs to be a thing. Also, I need to watch Blackadder properly once. When a classmate introduced me to it, I could only find a disorganised clump of random episodes.

There are only 24 episodes total (plus some one-off specials) and, aside from the last episode of each of the four series, there's pretty much no ordering to the episodes within each series (though definite differences between series)

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Re: 1758: "Astrophysics"

Postby gmalivuk » Fri Nov 11, 2016 10:07 pm UTC

DanD wrote:
ThemePark wrote:
Keyman wrote:
cellocgw wrote:But it does remind me of one of my favorite lines. Extra bonus internetz to anyone who recognizes the source.
" I don't get it captain. How come we fell up ?"
" Well, in this sector of the galaxy, gravity is not so much a law as more of a local ordinance."

I'll admit to it being vaguely familiar (sound awfully HHGTG-ish) but being in a hurry to try to claim the prize, I googled "gravity is not so much a law as more of a local ordinance"...and got a whole page riddled with "Knives and the Second Amendment", "Knife Rights", "Knife Legislation"...

What the hell are you reading??? :shock:

I got somewhat the same, and it's the word law that triggers it, but why it's specifically laws of knives I have no idea.

Edit:
Scratch that, the Knife Legislation article also contains the words gravity and local, making it top of my search on both accounts.


Knife law is incredibly convoluted in the US. So it's not that surprising that "law" and "local ordinance" would trigger on it.
Law and local ordinance won't trigger on it, but "gravity" makes the difference because gravity knives are a legal category and so articles about gravity, laws, and local ordinances end up being about knives.
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Re: 1758: "Astrophysics"

Postby somitomi » Fri Nov 11, 2016 11:29 pm UTC

gmalivuk wrote:Law and local ordinance won't trigger on it, but "gravity" makes the difference because gravity knives are a legal category and so articles about gravity, laws, and local ordinances end up being about knives.

I wonder what other combinations of words exist for which Google produces an "unexpected" result, although defining what is "unexpected" might be more difficult.
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Re: 1758: "Astrophysics"

Postby Plasma Man » Fri Nov 11, 2016 11:30 pm UTC

The problem is that dark matter can be made to fit any observational data. It can't be detected directly, so anything that looks like it shouldn't hold together under "normal" gravitational effects is assumed to be down to dark matter. Unfortunately, there's never been a direct detection of dark matter, so we don't know if it really exists. Until such a detection is made, I'm going to regard dark matter as a hypothetical. It might exist, but I can't help thinking there may be another answer that we're missing.
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Re: 1758: "Astrophysics"

Postby iserp » Sat Nov 12, 2016 3:34 am UTC

This paper is just from two days ago:

https://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/1 ... 117.201101

Yes, Dark Matter is supported by a quite a lot of indirect evidence. However, it has not been directly observed, and one has to wonder if SUSY has had a big influence in its popularity. There are also many holes in the theory, such as fitting each galaxy to its own DM halo (even though the data suggests that there is a tight correlation between baryonic matter and dark matter), and that some of the experimental evidence that supports DM (such as the bullet cluster) cannot be explained by the most popular DM models (such as WIMPs).

If I had a gun to my head, I would say DM exists (in the sense that the lambda-CDM correctly describes the universe), but I hardly see it as a settled answer.

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Postby TvT Rivals » Sat Nov 12, 2016 3:55 am UTC

Thanks for the article. This link also might be interesting: "there is little evidence for a global dysfunction of the mirror system in autism."

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Re: 1758: "Astrophysics"

Postby Soupspoon » Sat Nov 12, 2016 4:32 am UTC

I've been trying to think of similar mottos(/slogans) for my own areas of speciality. The trouble is, I can't rule out that I'm not too illogically committed to my own false Dark Matter-ish inertial conventions. (For some, I know I'm definitely outnumbered, such as not really like Object Oriented programming methods...)

There's some tried and tested practices in a sport I'm involved that newly-emerging promoters seem to not realise in their first few events, until they realise (or are told, perhaps by me) that the better solution has been around already for the better part of a century (or more than, even, depending on what it is!). Maybe I'll put some of them into prose, shortly.

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Re: 1758: "Astrophysics"

Postby da Doctah » Sat Nov 12, 2016 4:57 am UTC

somitomi wrote:I wonder what other combinations of words exist for which Google produces an "unexpected" result, although defining what is "unexpected" might be more difficult.

I certainly wasn't expecting porn (and nothing at all of the information I was actually trying to find) when I Googled "adult ear infections".

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Re: 1758: "Astrophysics"

Postby ps.02 » Sat Nov 12, 2016 5:41 am UTC

Is it just me or do those door handles look like they belong on the inside of a building?

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Re: 1758: "Astrophysics"

Postby Soupspoon » Sat Nov 12, 2016 6:02 am UTC

ps.02 wrote:Is it just me or do those door handles look like they belong on the inside of a building?

Like fire-bar push-to-open things on emergency exit (and or main emergency route) doors? Yeah, a bit.

Could possibly have been a joke in there, a la Wonko The Sane, that given the department is responsible for studying the cosmos that keeping it safely 'inside' their inverted establishment they're on a par with the Chemistry or Animal Behaviour departments.

Or that's just a fancy door-push-plate-cum-decoration thing.

(My thoughts, when first seeing the strip, was the strange arrangement of windows. Either it was a large open area inside with 'swiss cheese walls', again maybe to aid the study of the cosmos, or it's one of those buildings with many panes of glass, some of which are actual tinted windows onto the floors, but others are just 'blackly back-painted panes' placed over structurally non-open areas like whole floor/ceiling slabs, but keeping the aesthetics of the structure vs a more functional array of glass-filled holes.)

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Re: 1758: "Astrophysics"

Postby Old Bruce » Sat Nov 12, 2016 6:16 am UTC

cellocgw wrote:To the best of my knowledge, other than the original script, it's not written anywhere. Hint (probably useless :( ) King Biscuit Flower Hour.

Pedant on: King Biscuit Flour Hour.

An hour of live radio concerts presented by King Biscuit Flour mills.
I don't know if it is Flour which is used to make King Biscuits or it is a mill started by a King family to make Biscuit Flour.

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Re: 1758: "Astrophysics"

Postby orthogon » Sat Nov 12, 2016 11:06 am UTC

rmsgrey wrote:
somitomi wrote:
Zinho wrote:That sounds like it ought to be from a Blackadder season set in space, which I'm fairly certain never happened. And needs to.

That needs to be a thing. Also, I need to watch Blackadder properly once. When a classmate introduced me to it, I could only find a disorganised clump of random episodes.

There are only 24 episodes total (plus some one-off specials) and, aside from the last episode of each of the four series, there's pretty much no ordering to the episodes within each series (though definite differences between series)

At least one of the one-off specials was absolutely terrible. (I think it was a Christmas Carol based one). And I think you'll get more out of it if you watch each series in order, as I think some of its genius lies in the way the various set-pieces are developed and built on.

I thought at the time that a series set in the future was the obvious next step, but either they were bored of it by then or didn't think they could make it work. Being set in an actual historical period and referencing or even including real historical figures was a big part of what made it unique. Also Red Dwarf pretty much had the space thing nailed at the time.
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Re: 1758: "Astrophysics"

Postby rmsgrey » Sat Nov 12, 2016 12:30 pm UTC

orthogon wrote:
rmsgrey wrote:
somitomi wrote:
Zinho wrote:That sounds like it ought to be from a Blackadder season set in space, which I'm fairly certain never happened. And needs to.

That needs to be a thing. Also, I need to watch Blackadder properly once. When a classmate introduced me to it, I could only find a disorganised clump of random episodes.

There are only 24 episodes total (plus some one-off specials) and, aside from the last episode of each of the four series, there's pretty much no ordering to the episodes within each series (though definite differences between series)

At least one of the one-off specials was absolutely terrible. (I think it was a Christmas Carol based one). And I think you'll get more out of it if you watch each series in order, as I think some of its genius lies in the way the various set-pieces are developed and built on.

I thought at the time that a series set in the future was the obvious next step, but either they were bored of it by then or didn't think they could make it work. Being set in an actual historical period and referencing or even including real historical figures was a big part of what made it unique. Also Red Dwarf pretty much had the space thing nailed at the time.


I believe there was a plan to do a 70s series (about a rock group called Black Adder with drummer Bald Rick) at one point, though that may never have got planning beyond that joke...

Some of the cast would like to do a fifth series if they could come up with a suitable concept, but there are also issues with some of the cast having "made it" and probably being too expensive and/or busy...

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Re: 1758: "Astrophysics"

Postby squareroot » Sat Nov 12, 2016 12:59 pm UTC

I'm just gonna copy & paste what I sent to my dad when he asked me to explain the recent paper, since several others since they also asked me. It's probably got a least couple technical errors but I did my best.

So the idea is built on something people have been mulling over the last few years, that the informational content of a region of space (which is a thermodynamic property -- it's entropy) is linked to spacetime structure (its curvature; its gravity). This started with a series of realizations that the entropy of a black hole would tell you precisely what its surface area is, and that black holes are hypothesized to "scramble" information  quickly... then they started studying something called "Anti de Sitter" (AdS) space, which is sort of like if you put the whole universe on an (infinite) pringle chip. Note that pringles bend "up" in one direction and "down" in the other direction, so it really could go on infinitely. What they realized is that, in a lot of sense, the informational content of the universe actually determined its structure as well. For instance with the pringle chip, it's a 2D surface: but I could just as well describe physics around on a finite 1D space (think like, a hula hoop) and get the exact same physics! With some limitations: this was proven to work for certain very simple physical theories, but not all. There's been a lot of work to generalize it to other possible physical theories. This is an idea known as the "holographic principle": that the whole volume contents of the universe are actually determined by just the outside surface. This is sort of like our notion of hologram, where a 3D image is determined by just a 2D surface. In our 3 spatial dimensions, holography would dictate that we're really operating in just a 2D surface around us.

So, some people had been trying to generalize this principle to "de Sitter" (dS) space instead. de Sitter space is very similar except that, instead of being a pringle, it's a sphere. And therefore: finite in size. But notably, because it's finite, it's also got some different features from AdS space. Our universe is believed to be a de Sitter-shaped universe, which is unfortunate, since it seems harder to study than AdS. What the recent paper is trying to suggest is that, the mechanisms that make the holographic principle work in AdS, don't work out quite exactly in dS. Loosely, there are terms in the AdS theory that I can push infinitely far away until they don't matter. In the dS theory, I can only get them so far away, so I'm left with some corrections. The holographic principle /almost/ works, but /not quite/. A few years ago he published a paper that tried to explain gravity using arguments using entropy. The key new point now is that, if we were take the holographic principle to be 100% true, we would get Newtonian laws of gravity (Einstein's equations). But, living in de Sitter space, we would get correction terms, and those correction terms would line up very nicely with the values that we observe for dark matter and dark energy.

So: this is really promising! If this theory turns out to be workable, it could lead to a new understanding of dark energy / dark matter, could help us work towards unifying gravity with quantum mechanics, and -- from a mathematical standpoint -- explain why we were having trouble applying the holographic principle to de Sitter spacetime. On the other hand, there are a number of objections people have raised to his core thesis that gravity is driven by entropy displacement, mostly regarding the irreversibility (and possibly, non-unitarity) of the processes involved. There was one experiment that showed good evidence against (arguably) the most natural extension of the theory -- one way we could try to extend it to quantum density matrices -- but that is not a necessary conclusion of the basic theory. I don't know enough about the relevant physics beyond that point to make any statements about how much weight the objections carry :P
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Re: 1758: "Astrophysics"

Postby Flumble » Sat Nov 12, 2016 2:21 pm UTC

Thanks for the explanation, √.
It tells me how much I'm not educated in physics. :P

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Re: 1758: "Astrophysics"

Postby Soupspoon » Sat Nov 12, 2016 3:04 pm UTC

orthogon wrote:At least one of the one-off specials was absolutely terrible. (I think it was a Christmas Carol based one). And I think you'll get more out of it if you watch each series in order, as I think some of its genius lies in the way the various set-pieces are developed and built on.

The one with Ebeneezer Blackadder was more of an 'extended set of skits', really. Lower production values than any of the series-proper (contrast and compare with the externals of "The Black Adder" (first series), especially...) and much lower than the "Back And Forth" stand-alone which was screened at the Millenium Dome, originally, and thus going to have have resources (£3 million!) and care applied to it. Instead, it was a one-off Christmas episode-and-a-half prior even to the acclaimed "Goes Forth" (series 4) and preceded by a break 'only' filled with the Red Nose Day short "...: The Cavalier Years", IIRC.

'Blackadder I' is probably the one (due to Early Installment Weirdness) that most catch-up fans with prior knowledge of the later serieses/seasons/whatever will find... odd. Usefully written, though. Though they really set the Bastard Blackadder standard with the second, Elizabethan, one and he's the true 'baseline' to the family. 'The Third' is different but is gloriously so and "...Goes Forth", set in WW1, should be required viewing for Modern History classes, if only to because it's got to be more fun than sitting in a Modern History class and then you get the season-end whammy! If only one episode is seen, it should be that one.

(It came too late for my schooling, but we were shown the Whiteadders/Inheritance/Party episode, for some reason, in a history class. I can only assume that there was no supply teacher able to cover an absence. Fans and cognicenti will remember the final, barely cut-off, line of that episode, and to this day I still don't know if the teacher who rolled in the TV and video stand, pressed play and then left us watching whilst returning to his own classroom was aware of that conclusion or not..!)

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Re: 1758: "Astrophysics"

Postby Eternal Density » Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:19 pm UTC

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cellocgw wrote:To the best of my knowledge, other than the original script, it's not written anywhere. Hint (probably useless :( ) King Biscuit Flower Hour.

Pedant on: King Biscuit Flour Hour.

An hour of live radio concerts presented by King Biscuit Flour mills.
I don't know if it is Flour which is used to make King Biscuits or it is a mill started by a King family to make Biscuit Flour.

Do you mean King Biscuit Time? http://www.kingbiscuittime.com/?page_id=7

I think it's flour for making biscuits, but it's hard to find info on the mills rather than radio shows.
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Doesn't seem to be named for anyone called King, it's just a 'our product is awesome' name.
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Re: 1758: "Astrophysics"

Postby Mikeski » Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:45 pm UTC

Old Bruce wrote:
cellocgw wrote:To the best of my knowledge, other than the original script, it's not written anywhere. Hint (probably useless :( ) King Biscuit Flower Hour.

Pedant on: King Biscuit Flour Hour.

An hour of live radio concerts presented by King Biscuit Flour mills.


Reverse pedant mode, engage: it was the King Biscuit Flower Hour. (Wikipedia will redirect "king biscuit flour hour" hour to that page, also.) And it seems K. B. Flour wasn't involved, other than having the name half-lifted from the "King Biscuit Time" blues-radio program.

Some of the recordings saw commercial release later. I have this one (well, these two; there's obviously a Part 2 to go with this Part 1):

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Re: 1758: "Astrophysics"

Postby Old Bruce » Sun Nov 13, 2016 11:21 pm UTC

Eternal Density wrote:
Old Bruce wrote:
cellocgw wrote:To the best of my knowledge, other than the original script, it's not written anywhere. Hint (probably useless :( ) King Biscuit Flower Hour.

Pedant on: King Biscuit Flour Hour.

An hour of live radio concerts presented by King Biscuit Flour mills.
I don't know if it is Flour which is used to make King Biscuits or it is a mill started by a King family to make Biscuit Flour.

Do you mean King Biscuit Time? http://www.kingbiscuittime.com/?page_id=7

I think it's flour for making biscuits, but it's hard to find info on the mills rather than radio shows.

Doesn't seem to be named for anyone called King, it's just a 'our product is awesome' name.

Mikeski wrote:
Old Bruce wrote:
cellocgw wrote:To the best of my knowledge, other than the original script, it's not written anywhere. Hint (probably useless :( ) King Biscuit Flower Hour.

Pedant on: King Biscuit Flour Hour.

An hour of live radio concerts presented by King Biscuit Flour mills.


Reverse pedant mode, engage: it was the King Biscuit Flower Hour. (Wikipedia will redirect "king biscuit flour hour" hour to that page, also.) And it seems K. B. Flour wasn't involved, other than having the name half-lifted from the "King Biscuit Time" blues-radio program.

Some of the recordings saw commercial release later.


Aw. I was so enjoying the little stories I was making up in my head whilst trying to fall asleep. Fiction is more malleable than reality. Truth be told, what ever the real name was I enjoyed those shows, my friends and I would get together at whoever's place was getting the best FM reception that week.

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Re: 1758: "Astrophysics"

Postby Plutarch » Mon Nov 14, 2016 12:26 am UTC

squareroot wrote:I'm just gonna copy & paste what I sent to my dad...

Good explanation! It did give me at least some notion of what it's all about, and I'd have said that was an almost impossible task.

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Re: 1758: "Astrophysics"

Postby Horselover Frost » Mon Nov 14, 2016 8:04 am UTC

What if gravity worked differently in the past than it does today?

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Re: 1758: "Astrophysics"

Postby Soupspoon » Mon Nov 14, 2016 8:38 am UTC

Horselover Frost wrote:What if gravity worked differently in the past than it does today?

This is no time for levity...

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Re: 1758: "Astrophysics"

Postby gson » Mon Nov 14, 2016 10:20 am UTC

There's also Mike McCulloch's MiHsC theory (http://physicsfromtheedge.blogspot.com), which does not say that gravity works differently on large scales, but rather that inertia works differently at low accelerations.

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Re: 1758: "Astrophysics"

Postby Eternal Density » Mon Nov 14, 2016 10:36 am UTC

Not quite relevant, but there's a supermoon right now. It's so bright that I can see colours, which is normally not something I can do by moonlight. Even the sky looks slightly blue, which is neat.

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Re: 1758: "Astrophysics"

Postby da Doctah » Mon Nov 14, 2016 10:47 am UTC

Eternal Density wrote:Doesn't seem to be named for anyone called King, it's just a 'our product is awesome' name.

In much the same way that the county in which Seattle is situated used to be named for vice-president William King, but some time after I lived there they changed it so it would be named after Martin Luther King Jr.

The slain civil rights leader's name, in turn, is often abbreviated by his initials MLK, which in a common practice in Semitic languages of not explicitly including vowels in writing, is the Arabic word malik, which means..."king".

And then there was Luise King of the famous singing King Sisters (later the extended King Family, whose TV specials were a fixture in the mid-60s). Ms King married bandleader Alvino Rey, whose own surname means "king" in Spanish. (It wasn't his birth name, but he changed it in 1929 to reflect his participation in the then-current craze for Latin music.) My grandparents always used to delight in pointing out the bilingual reference during the credits of every special.

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Re: 1758: "Astrophysics"

Postby Soupspoon » Mon Nov 14, 2016 11:18 am UTC

The (IIRC*) Norwegian/Danish word for "King" is "Konge", resulting in the eponymous character in "King Kong" (1933) being renamed, non-titularly, to King(e?), in those environs, and the film being "Konge King(e?)".

(This info direct from someone who toured the area, way-back-when. Tried to confirm this with both IMDB and Wikipedia, just now, but no sign of it. Possible joshing or misunderstandings, I suppose...)

* And willing to be corrected by any passing Scandiwegians of this parish...


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