1773: "Negativity"

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1773: "Negativity"

Postby Soupspoon » Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:10 pm UTC

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Re: 1773: "Negativity"

Postby orthogon » Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:15 pm UTC

The Internet of Things is going to be awful. I already suspect that my fridge is trolling me, and it isn't even IP connected.
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Re: 1773: "Negativity"

Postby Flumble » Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:53 pm UTC

According to South Park you can just reset the internet by overloading it with SpaceX, removing all the hatred and negativity.

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Re: 1773: "Negativity"

Postby cellocgw » Fri Dec 16, 2016 4:24 pm UTC

nattering nabobs.

Just sayin'
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Re: 1773: "Negativity"

Postby Quizatzhaderac » Fri Dec 16, 2016 4:27 pm UTC

orthogon wrote: I already suspect that my fridge is trolling me, and it isn't even IP connected.
Well, there's a fairly straightforward way to determine that.

First question: is it running?
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Re: 1773: "Negativity"

Postby Pfhorrest » Fri Dec 16, 2016 5:25 pm UTC

a long time ago, i fell in love with the internet because it was a refuge from the bullshit i had to put up with in real life. a place mostly populated by intelligent college educated people with norms of rational discourse and civility (which were still transgressed plenty often, there were still trolls and flamewars, but everyone was quiet open and vocal about how those were the bad guys, to be shunned and ostracized). and it didn't feel like running away from the broader world into a "bubble"; it felt like reaching out of the bubble of the shitheads I just happened to live near, reaching out into the broader world of sane people somewhere out there across the wires.

now real life is where i go -- out into the wilderness away from people because the people in real life still suck too -- because the internet has been overwhelmed by the same shitty people i came there to get away from, only it's brought out the absolute worst in them, emboldened them and made them think their crazy bullshit is normal and acceptable, and amplified their reach a thousand fold. and the sad part is... maybe they're right, about it being normal at least. the illusion of the internet allowing an escape from the local bubble of shit was just that, an illusion, and everybody is shit everywhere as far as the signal will carry.
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Re: 1773: "Negativity"

Postby Solra Bizna » Fri Dec 16, 2016 6:54 pm UTC

Pfhorrest wrote:a long time ago, i fell in love with the internet because it was a refuge from the bullshit i had to put up with in real life. a place mostly populated by intelligent college educated people with norms of rational discourse and civility (which were still transgressed plenty often, there were still trolls and flamewars, but everyone was quiet open and vocal about how those were the bad guys, to be shunned and ostracized). and it didn't feel like running away from the broader world into a "bubble"; it felt like reaching out of the bubble of the shitheads I just happened to live near, reaching out into the broader world of sane people somewhere out there across the wires.

now real life is where i go -- out into the wilderness away from people because the people in real life still suck too -- because the internet has been overwhelmed by the same shitty people i came there to get away from, only it's brought out the absolute worst in them, emboldened them and made them think their crazy bullshit is normal and acceptable, and amplified their reach a thousand fold. and the sad part is... maybe they're right, about it being normal at least. the illusion of the internet allowing an escape from the local bubble of shit was just that, an illusion, and everybody is shit everywhere as far as the signal will carry.

It's also amplified the reach of the non-shitty people. They (we?) just tend to be relatively quiet and hard to find. Actively avoiding Facebook, Tumblr and the like has helped me stay relatively high and dry. To apply a pretentious allegory: block out the sun and you can see the stars.

If you haven't read the SSC post The Toxoplasma of Rage, I recommend doing so.

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Re: 1773: "Negativity"

Postby SerialTroll » Fri Dec 16, 2016 7:11 pm UTC

Better alt: "Crab Grass"

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Re: 1773: "Negativity"

Postby jc » Fri Dec 16, 2016 8:13 pm UTC

SerialTroll wrote:Better alt: "Crab Grass"

Hey, if people kept lopping off your top,and stomping on you with their hard shoes, you'd be crabby, too.

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Re: 1773: "Negativity"

Postby peterdavidcarter » Sat Dec 17, 2016 1:04 am UTC

jc wrote:
SerialTroll wrote:Better alt: "Crab Grass"

Hey, if people kept lopping off your top,and stomping on you with their hard shoes, you'd be crabby, too.


One can only take so many inappropriate downvotes before one attempts to mow the worms out of the grass, no?

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Re: 1773: "Negativity"

Postby Flumble » Sat Dec 17, 2016 2:32 am UTC

Pfhorrest wrote:the illusion of the internet allowing an escape from the local bubble of shit was just that, an illusion, and everybody is shit everywhere as far as the signal will carry.

Really? I see for example this forum/these forums/fora/foria as a local bubble of sane and intelligent people, save for a couple of not-sure-if-trolling-or-actually-thick-headed accounts. And gmalivuk, who is a whole different category altogether.

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Re: 1773: "Negativity"

Postby Pfhorrest » Sat Dec 17, 2016 3:47 am UTC

relative to the bulk of the internet by use today, sure, but like you said, it's a bubble. the illusion in my youth was that I just happened to be locally surrounded by shitheads, but the internet falsely "evidenced" a wider world of sanity. now it's become clear that the wider world is also full of shitheads, it was just that most of them didn't used to have internet access, and that the internet i grew up with was in fact the bubble, not the other way around.
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Re: 1773: "Negativity"

Postby tms » Sat Dec 17, 2016 4:18 am UTC

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Re: 1773: "Negativity"

Postby Mikeski » Sat Dec 17, 2016 4:41 am UTC

I could use a lawn like that!

It might save me the trouble of telling the kids to get off of it.

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Re: 1773: "Negativity"

Postby somitomi » Sat Dec 17, 2016 10:26 am UTC

Mikeski wrote:I could use a lawn like that!

It might save me the trouble of telling the kids to get off of it.

Unless it befriends the kids just to spite you. So you need to make sure it hates everyone and not just you.
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Re: 1773: "Negativity"

Postby Flumble » Sat Dec 17, 2016 11:57 am UTC

Pfhorrest wrote:relative to the bulk of the internet by use today, sure, but like you said, it's a bubble. the illusion in my youth was that I just happened to be locally surrounded by shitheads, but the internet falsely "evidenced" a wider world of sanity. now it's become clear that the wider world is also full of shitheads, it was just that most of them didn't used to have internet access, and that the internet i grew up with was in fact the bubble, not the other way around.

Ah, alright. I might have had that idyllic view of the internet 10 years ago, too.

That, and the internet being for porn, porn, porn.

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Re: 1773: "Negativity"

Postby Copper Bezel » Sat Dec 17, 2016 4:53 pm UTC

Geography can also be a factor. Depending on where you are in the world, you may have a higher or lower proportion of shitheads available locally. Suppose that's equally true for which parts of the internet you frequent as well, but that's more fluid.
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Re: 1773: "Negativity"

Postby Pfhorrest » Sat Dec 17, 2016 6:42 pm UTC

Flumble wrote:Ah, alright. I might have had that idyllic view of the internet 10 years ago, too.

I'm talking more like 20+ years ago. Though 10 years ago is around when everything really noticeably changed, when the Facebooks and iPhones attacked...

Copper Bezel wrote:Geography can also be a factor. Depending on where you are in the world, you may have a higher or lower proportion of shitheads available locally. Suppose that's equally true for which parts of the internet you frequent as well, but that's more fluid.

I would expect, living in a touristy small town in the coastal mountains of southern California, that I would live in a place with a lower shithead proportion than most other places. But then, back in those days, my peers in meatspace were other children, while my peers in cyberspace were college professors and other adult professionals, so the age differential probably made a big difference there. (Thinking back on that now as an adult I can't help but picture that I was the obnoxious kid intruding on their grown-up discourse, but when I actually look at old posts of mine in UseNet archives they all seem to treat me as a respectable member of the community and, to my own adult eye now, young me actually sounds a lot smarter than current me. :shock:).
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Re: 1773: "Negativity"

Postby Mikeski » Sat Dec 17, 2016 7:02 pm UTC

Pfhorrest wrote:
Flumble wrote:Ah, alright. I might have had that idyllic view of the internet 10 years ago, too.

I'm talking more like 20+ years ago. Though 10 years ago is around when everything really noticeably changed, when the Facebooks and iPhones attacked...

Yup, The Year September Never Ended. I was here for a whole year before it all went to heck! (And my lawn says you're overweight and shouldn't stand on it so hard.)

Add in Sturgeon's Law and the GIFT, and now you have a culture where it's somehow acceptable for 45% of people to treat another 45% as pure festering evil, and not just people with differing opinions or priorities (the other, tolerant, 10% being the "good" slice of Sturgeon's Law)...

while my peers in cyberspace were college professors and other adult professionals

And mostly STEM types among those, so you got professionals who were (probably) smarter and (definitely) more logically-thinking than the average, too. Socrates would have been proud. Except for alt.religion.kibology, maybe.

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Re: 1773: "Negativity"

Postby Sableagle » Sat Dec 17, 2016 8:27 pm UTC

Mikeski wrote:Add in ... the GIFT.
That may be slightly over-reacting.

http://www.creepypasta.com/the-gift-of-mercy/
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Re: 1773: "Negativity"

Postby Flumble » Sat Dec 17, 2016 9:29 pm UTC

Mikeski wrote:
Pfhorrest wrote:
Flumble wrote:Ah, alright. I might have had that idyllic view of the internet 10 years ago, too.

I'm talking more like 20+ years ago. Though 10 years ago is around when everything really noticeably changed, when the Facebooks and iPhones attacked...

Yup, The Year September Never Ended. I was here for a whole year before it all went to heck! (And my lawn says you're overweight and shouldn't stand on it so hard.)

That's been my lawn ever since we put you in a retirement home, gramps!

I should've been born a decade earlier. Back when (i.e. more recently than you guys' back when) I was a little kid, there was just the web* and it had BB systems with people of my age and a couple of adolescents**. No usenet or discussions with professors.

*my internet age is basically the same as Google's. Really makes you think.
**wait, that's basically this place now :roll:

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Re: 1773: "Negativity"

Postby orthogon » Sun Dec 18, 2016 12:47 pm UTC

Quizatzhaderac wrote:
orthogon wrote: I already suspect that my fridge is trolling me, and it isn't even IP connected.
Well, there's a fairly straightforward way to determine that.

First question: is it running?

I feel like I'm being called upon to be the "straight man" but don't know the lines. Anyway, yes, it is running.
Apologies if if fluffed the setup.
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Re: 1773: "Negativity"

Postby MakingProgress » Mon Dec 19, 2016 4:55 pm UTC

Pfhorrest wrote:... -- because the internet has been overwhelmed by the same shitty people i came there to get away from, ...


not the xkcd forum though, only nice people here 8-)

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Re: 1773: "Negativity"

Postby Quizatzhaderac » Mon Dec 19, 2016 7:31 pm UTC

orthogon wrote:
Quizatzhaderac wrote:
orthogon wrote: I already suspect that my fridge is trolling me, and it isn't even IP connected.
Well, there's a fairly straightforward way to determine that.

First question: is it running?
yes, it is running.
Well then, you'd better go catch it, before it gets away.
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Re: 1773: "Negativity"

Postby keldor » Tue Dec 20, 2016 4:33 pm UTC

Hmm. Might I suggest it's about time to go out and mow the lawn?

Come to think of it, maybe the grass really does have a good reason to hate him.

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Re: 1773: "Negativity"

Postby Steve the Pocket » Wed Dec 21, 2016 7:50 am UTC

I showed up pretty late to the Internet party, so I had sort of the opposite experience that Pfhorrest and other "endless-September" lamenters did. Something Awful and the like were already around, gleefully documenting the cesspool of stupid that was the World Wide Web, for those of us who able to avoid encountering it directly, and giving the impression that it had become a refuge for people who you'd never meet eye-are-ell because they don't ever venture out into the are-ell. Not like those nice, normal people we all know and hang out with. And then Facebook came along and forever shattered the illusion that they're any better.

That story Sableagle linked to is oddly fitting. The ongoing development of the Internet has been kind of like the development of weaponry in a way, with each new development enabling greater and greater atrocities and giving us darker and darker glimpses into what we as a species are capable of.
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