1786: "Trash"

This forum is for the individual discussion thread that goes with each new comic.

Moderators: Moderators General, Prelates, Magistrates

niauropsaka
Posts: 72
Joined: Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:50 pm UTC

1786: "Trash"

Postby niauropsaka » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:37 am UTC

Image

Title-text: "Plus, time's all weird in there, so most of it probably broke down and decomposed hundreds of years ago. Which reminds me, I've been meaning to get in touch with Yucca Mountain to see if they're interested in a partnership."

Dumping your trash in a different space-time continuum: Dubious.
Holding off the son of the Great Emperor-Beyond-the-Sea with a spray bottle: Priceless.

User avatar
somitomi
Posts: 459
Joined: Fri Nov 06, 2015 11:21 pm UTC
Location: can be found in Hungary
Contact:

Re: 1786: "Trash"

Postby somitomi » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:51 am UTC

Man, Narnia has a lot of uses. I just wonder what BHG will do when the water starts pouring out.
"It's like he's his own alt account. Saves all the logging in and out."/poxic
they/them/theirs = he/him/his ❖ If you want to use something else out of dadaist spite, I won't mind.
✆ Hello? This is Forum Games Discord, what is your emergency?

User avatar
cellocgw
Posts: 1768
Joined: Sat Jun 21, 2008 7:40 pm UTC

Re: 1786: "Trash"

Postby cellocgw » Mon Jan 16, 2017 12:19 pm UTC

[quote="niauropsaka"

Dumping your trash in a different space-time continuum: Dubious.
[/quote]

Actually , it's a non uncommon thing in SciFi. I recall a short story in which a fellow comes up with a razor-blade disposal system which turns out to send the blades 100 years into the future. That makes a mess in the future for a brief time, until future person tweaks the algorithm to send the blades to a distant galaxy as well. Turns out that there's a nearly extinct species on a planet there which eats steel; the godlike appearance of tons of food is just what they needed.

Found it: Litterbug, by Tony Morphett
https://app.box.com/witthoftresume
Former OTTer
Vote cellocgw for President 2020. #ScienceintheWhiteHouse http://cellocgw.wordpress.com
"The Planck length is 3.81779e-33 picas." -- keithl
" Earth weighs almost exactly π milliJupiters" -- what-if #146, note 7

User avatar
Soupspoon
You have done something you shouldn't. Or are about to.
Posts: 2531
Joined: Thu Jan 28, 2016 7:00 pm UTC
Location: 53-1

Re: 1786: "Trash"

Postby Soupspoon » Mon Jan 16, 2017 12:51 pm UTC

There's one that I recall which has someone accidentally wire/rewire a jury-rigged toaster, or similar, to apparently consign the toast to oblivion. Uses this for waste disposal, by scaling up the device. But it's actually teleporting everything somewhere else, so when he starts his large-scale garbage disposal experiments, it appears to the elsewhere place to be an act of war in firing large clumps of stuff at their country. Nobody at either end knows anything about the other when he finally sets up an official demonstration for dignitaries after a long time of cheerfully sending all the waste he could personally get his hands on through his device and wanting to finally commercialise it...

(Can't find it, anywhere, right now. Probably in a '60s era short story collection not really escaped from the hardcopy; but could even be from an earlier decade, at the height of the "electricity does everything, in the hands of maverick inventors" sci-fi golden age. Some similarities with the razor blade story, but the end (which I won' t spoil) is different.)

Drooling Iguana
Posts: 29
Joined: Tue Jun 05, 2007 12:41 am UTC

Re: 1786: "Trash"

Postby Drooling Iguana » Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:07 pm UTC

This comic's entire joke was basically told in the first panel.

Muswell
Posts: 44
Joined: Sat Oct 12, 2013 2:33 pm UTC

Re: 1786: "Trash"

Postby Muswell » Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:33 pm UTC

This reminds me very much of a set of Mitchell & Webb sketches, starting with this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwocSqmXzt8

User avatar
Rombobjörn
Posts: 130
Joined: Mon Feb 27, 2012 11:56 am UTC
Location: right between the past and the future

Re: 1786: "Trash"

Postby Rombobjörn » Mon Jan 16, 2017 3:27 pm UTC

Unfortunately this wouldn't actually work. You'll only end up in Narnia if you don't intend to. If you try to go to Narnia you'll just find the back wall of the wardrobe. To dump the garbage in Narnia he'd have to actually intend to store it in the wardrobe.

User avatar
Whizbang
The Best Reporter
Posts: 2238
Joined: Fri Apr 06, 2012 7:50 pm UTC
Location: New Hampshire, USA

Re: 1786: "Trash"

Postby Whizbang » Mon Jan 16, 2017 3:42 pm UTC

I have full confidence in BHG to solve this problem. After all ...

Drooling Iguana
Posts: 29
Joined: Tue Jun 05, 2007 12:41 am UTC

Re: 1786: "Trash"

Postby Drooling Iguana » Mon Jan 16, 2017 4:16 pm UTC

Rombobjörn wrote:Unfortunately this wouldn't actually work. You'll only end up in Narnia if you don't intend to. If you try to go to Narnia you'll just find the back wall of the wardrobe. To dump the garbage in Narnia he'd have to actually intend to store it in the wardrobe.

You can travel there reliably using the green and yellow rings (using the Wood Between the Worlds as an intermediary) but yeah, most of the other means of crossing over are more selective about who they let through and when.

User avatar
cellocgw
Posts: 1768
Joined: Sat Jun 21, 2008 7:40 pm UTC

Re: 1786: "Trash"

Postby cellocgw » Mon Jan 16, 2017 4:46 pm UTC

Drooling Iguana wrote:
Rombobjörn wrote:Unfortunately this wouldn't actually work. You'll only end up in Narnia if you don't intend to. If you try to go to Narnia you'll just find the back wall of the wardrobe. To dump the garbage in Narnia he'd have to actually intend to store it in the wardrobe.

You can travel there reliably using the green and yellow rings (using the Wood Between the Worlds as an intermediary) but yeah, most of the other means of crossing over are more selective about who they let through and when.


Right, and maybe just like an Ainsible, inanimate stuff like trash always gets through. :mrgreen:
https://app.box.com/witthoftresume
Former OTTer
Vote cellocgw for President 2020. #ScienceintheWhiteHouse http://cellocgw.wordpress.com
"The Planck length is 3.81779e-33 picas." -- keithl
" Earth weighs almost exactly π milliJupiters" -- what-if #146, note 7

User avatar
Sableagle
Ormurinn's Alt
Posts: 1229
Joined: Sat Jun 13, 2015 4:26 pm UTC
Location: The wrong side of the mirror
Contact:

Re: 1786: "Trash"

Postby Sableagle » Mon Jan 16, 2017 4:51 pm UTC

BHG may well be able to handle the water issue, but what's he going to do about the squirrelgirls?

Spoiler:
Image
Image
Image
Image
Oh, Willie McBride, it was all done in vain.

User avatar
StClair
Posts: 399
Joined: Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:07 am UTC

Re: 1786: "Trash"

Postby StClair » Mon Jan 16, 2017 10:02 pm UTC

cellocgw wrote:
niauropsaka wrote:
Dumping your trash in a different space-time continuum: Dubious.


Actually , it's a non uncommon thing in SciFi. I recall a short story in which a fellow comes up with a razor-blade disposal system which turns out to send the blades 100 years into the future. That makes a mess in the future for a brief time, until future person tweaks the algorithm to send the blades to a distant galaxy as well. Turns out that there's a nearly extinct species on a planet there which eats steel; the godlike appearance of tons of food is just what they needed.

Found it: Litterbug, by Tony Morphett


Uh, are you sure? 'Cause I have an anthology, published in '73, with the same story, and that doesn't seem to be the plot - rather, it's the one from Soupspoon's post right below yours, which I immediately recognized and went hunting for.

rmsgrey
Posts: 3107
Joined: Wed Nov 16, 2011 6:35 pm UTC

Re: 1786: "Trash"

Postby rmsgrey » Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:01 am UTC

Last I heard, Narnia ended almost 70 years ago, so you wouldn't be able to get there through the Wood any more than you can reach Charn.

Also, there's an interesting question of what happened to the passage of time once Narnia ended - does it continue to go much faster on average, or does that whole bit with Father Time mean that time no longer passes in whatever remains of Narnia?

User avatar
Liri
Healthy non-floating pooper reporting for doodie.
Posts: 948
Joined: Wed Oct 15, 2014 8:11 pm UTC
Contact:

Re: 1786: "Trash"

Postby Liri » Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:29 am UTC

"kinda a" ruins it for me :|
He wondered could you eat the mushrooms, would you die, do you care.

User avatar
Soupspoon
You have done something you shouldn't. Or are about to.
Posts: 2531
Joined: Thu Jan 28, 2016 7:00 pm UTC
Location: 53-1

Re: 1786: "Trash"

Postby Soupspoon » Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:37 am UTC

rmsgrey wrote:Last I heard, Narnia ended almost 70 years ago, so you wouldn't be able to get there through the Wood any more than you can reach Charn.

Also, there's an interesting question of what happened to the passage of time once Narnia ended - does it continue to go much faster on average, or does that whole bit with Father Time mean that time no longer passes in whatever remains of Narnia?
Maybe this wardrobe had been sent through a wormhole that, at the receiving end, had already been sent out on a near-lightspeed journey, returning recently...

What's the topology you create by threading a mystical portal through a relativistically influenced negatively curved Einstein-Rosen bridge across spacetime?

User avatar
Heimhenge
Posts: 168
Joined: Thu May 01, 2014 11:35 pm UTC

Re: 1786: "Trash"

Postby Heimhenge » Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:39 am UTC

cellocgw wrote:[quote="niauropsaka"

Dumping your trash in a different space-time continuum: Dubious.

Actually , it's a non uncommon thing in SciFi. I recall a short story in which a fellow comes up with a razor-blade disposal system which turns out to send the blades 100 years into the future. That makes a mess in the future for a brief time, until future person tweaks the algorithm to send the blades to a distant galaxy as well. Turns out that there's a nearly extinct species on a planet there which eats steel; the godlike appearance of tons of food is just what they needed.

Found it: Litterbug, by Tony Morphett


Never read it. But another short story came to mind (barely). This guy finds/invents/steals a pair of ring-shaped portals, sized to be held by a person. The interior of the rings just looks like a black hole. Whatever you put through one ring comes out of the other ring. There was some kinda twist at the end of the story where he maybe puts one ring through the other, or puts them close enough that his arm crosses the portal twice, or something else equally weird. Busted on Google. This story is from maybe 30 years ago. Anyone else maybe recognize it?

User avatar
Eternal Density
Posts: 5479
Joined: Thu Oct 02, 2008 12:37 am UTC
Contact:

Re: 1786: "Trash"

Postby Eternal Density » Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:16 am UTC

Oh good, it's been too long since we had a Narnia xkcd.
Play the game of Time! castle.chirpingmustard.com Hotdog Vending Supplier But what is this?
In the Marvel vs. DC film-making war, we're all winners.

User avatar
stopmadnessnow
Posts: 83
Joined: Thu Mar 03, 2016 10:58 pm UTC
Location: Somewhere in that country with Big Ben in it.

Re: 1786: "Trash"

Postby stopmadnessnow » Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:55 am UTC

Eternal Density wrote:Oh good, it's been too long since we had a Narnia xkcd.


Are you speaking from inside the world or outside?
For comic writing or short story writing post-haste, contact the off-the peg joke chap. He has the nous.
http://plwimsett.simplesite.com/ for my site.
https://www.upwork.com/freelancers/~01110048bacb43eae6 to hire me at Upwork.

qvxb
Posts: 84
Joined: Mon Sep 19, 2016 10:20 pm UTC

Re: 1786: "Trash"

Postby qvxb » Tue Jan 17, 2017 6:05 pm UTC

Dear Aunt Grimalkin,,

What was the name of the contractor that sealed the chute in your house? Also, please send me your recipe for mouse parmigiana.

Love, Nephew Ginger

PS, the rodents on the other side wear black hats.

User avatar
somitomi
Posts: 459
Joined: Fri Nov 06, 2015 11:21 pm UTC
Location: can be found in Hungary
Contact:

Re: 1786: "Trash"

Postby somitomi » Tue Jan 17, 2017 7:13 pm UTC

Liri wrote:"kinda a" ruins it for me :|

Oh man, I haven't noticed it, but now it pains me...
"It's like he's his own alt account. Saves all the logging in and out."/poxic
they/them/theirs = he/him/his ❖ If you want to use something else out of dadaist spite, I won't mind.
✆ Hello? This is Forum Games Discord, what is your emergency?

User avatar
StClair
Posts: 399
Joined: Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:07 am UTC

Re: 1786: "Trash"

Postby StClair » Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:07 pm UTC

To elaborate a bit on the plot of "Litterbug", now that I've re-read it:

As noted, it's very much in the aforementioned mid-20th-century vein of "plucky inventor does the impossible", and many learned scientists, some from the government and/or military, do tell him it's impossible... but being an engineer, he goes ahead and does it anyway. And when none of the eggheads will give him funding to continue his hobby experiments with matter transmission(!), specifically to figure out why nothing's coming out of the receiver he also built, he turns to selling the transmitters as disposal units. Eventually, people from "various agencies" cotton on to what's happening, but again, even the scientists brought in still can't figure out how.

Then stuff starts coming back through the test units - mostly the same garbage that went in, but also something described as a cross between broccoli and a cat. Again, it's the down-to-earth inventor who understands this when no one else seems to; apparently this sort of thing happens when you dump your garbage over the fence into your neighbor's yard - they'll throw it back, and add a little something to indicate their displeasure.

It's also the inventor who further complicates matters when, before the government people haul him in for questioning again, he drops an astronomy book into his unit. The military freaks out, of course, and wants to bomb whoever's on the other end before They can do the same to Us. But the inventor points out that some of the units he sold are still out there in consumer hands ... meaning (though he doesn't use the exact words) MAD has now gone interstellar. Our protag's charming faith in the basic decency of all sentients is borne out a little while later, when whoever's on the other end finds a set of their own star charts to send through.

Mostly glossed over are the rest of the First Contact proceedings, trade negotiations, etc. There's a rough spot in relations between the two worlds when "Kelly" (as our inventor calls his unpronounceable alien counterpart) starts building his own teleporters (reverse engineered from the one the inventor sent through his biggest experimental unit) and selling them... as garbage disposals. Alien trash pouring out all over dignitaries and monuments, oh noes! But again, that gets sorted out after a little while.

There's one final wrinkle, though: at the end of the story, our inventor learns that "Kelly" has taken advantage of a clause in the new trade treaty to start selling transmitters (no longer used for garbage but for more valuable goods) on the Earth market... and undercutting his company by almost 8 percent.

User avatar
Eternal Density
Posts: 5479
Joined: Thu Oct 02, 2008 12:37 am UTC
Contact:

See on on the flipside.

Postby Eternal Density » Wed Jan 18, 2017 2:15 am UTC

stopmadnessnow wrote:
Eternal Density wrote:Oh good, it's been too long since we had a Narnia xkcd.


Are you speaking from inside the world or outside?

Beside.
Play the game of Time! castle.chirpingmustard.com Hotdog Vending Supplier But what is this?
In the Marvel vs. DC film-making war, we're all winners.

User avatar
cellocgw
Posts: 1768
Joined: Sat Jun 21, 2008 7:40 pm UTC

Re: 1786: "Trash"

Postby cellocgw » Wed Jan 18, 2017 2:12 pm UTC

StClair wrote:
cellocgw wrote:
niauropsaka wrote:
Dumping your trash in a different space-time continuum: Dubious.


Actually , it's a non uncommon thing in SciFi. I recall a short story in which a fellow comes up with a razor-blade disposal system which turns out to send the blades 100 years into the future. That makes a mess in the future for a brief time, until future person tweaks the algorithm to send the blades to a distant galaxy as well. Turns out that there's a nearly extinct species on a planet there which eats steel; the godlike appearance of tons of food is just what they needed.

Found it: Litterbug, by Tony Morphett


Uh, are you sure? 'Cause I have an anthology, published in '73, with the same story, and that doesn't seem to be the plot - rather, it's the one from Soupspoon's post right below yours, which I immediately recognized and went hunting for.


My bad, then -- I'll blame it on the despicable scum who posted the info to scifi.SE :twisted:
https://app.box.com/witthoftresume
Former OTTer
Vote cellocgw for President 2020. #ScienceintheWhiteHouse http://cellocgw.wordpress.com
"The Planck length is 3.81779e-33 picas." -- keithl
" Earth weighs almost exactly π milliJupiters" -- what-if #146, note 7

User avatar
cellocgw
Posts: 1768
Joined: Sat Jun 21, 2008 7:40 pm UTC

Re: 1786: "Trash"

Postby cellocgw » Wed Jan 18, 2017 2:16 pm UTC

rmsgrey wrote:Last I heard, Narnia ended almost 70 years ago, so you wouldn't be able to get there through the Wood any more than you can reach Charn.

Also, there's an interesting question of what happened to the passage of time once Narnia ended - does it continue to go much faster on average, or does that whole bit with Father Time mean that time no longer passes in whatever remains of Narnia?


Once the Pond is dry, the associated planet (and possibly a large chunk of local space-time) no longer exists. There is no there there
https://app.box.com/witthoftresume
Former OTTer
Vote cellocgw for President 2020. #ScienceintheWhiteHouse http://cellocgw.wordpress.com
"The Planck length is 3.81779e-33 picas." -- keithl
" Earth weighs almost exactly π milliJupiters" -- what-if #146, note 7

User avatar
Quizatzhaderac
Posts: 1510
Joined: Sun Oct 19, 2008 5:28 pm UTC
Location: Space Florida

Re: 1786: "Trash"

Postby Quizatzhaderac » Wed Jan 18, 2017 3:17 pm UTC

Soupspoon wrote:What's the topology you create by threading a mystical portal through a relativistically influenced negatively curved Einstein-Rosen bridge across spacetime?
The coordinate time displacement between the ends remains constant.

For a magical portal (which, I think perhaps, is what you meant) the proper time displacement remains constant.
cellocgw wrote: There is no there there
Ten Internets to whomever can make a "yo mama" joke out of this.
The thing about recursion problems is that they tend to contain other recursion problems.

User avatar
Soupspoon
You have done something you shouldn't. Or are about to.
Posts: 2531
Joined: Thu Jan 28, 2016 7:00 pm UTC
Location: 53-1

Re: 1786: "Trash"

Postby Soupspoon » Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:05 pm UTC

Quizatzhaderac wrote:
Soupspoon wrote:What's the topology you create by threading a mystical portal through a relativistically influenced negatively curved Einstein-Rosen bridge across spacetime?
The coordinate time displacement between the ends remains constant.
Inside and outside?

(I suppose basic causality limitations could maintain a kind of Cauchy horizon across the 'cheating' path. I've also theorised that the transit time through a wormhole could be 'stretched' by the maximum disconnect experienced by any initially proximate-ended wormhole, so that even in a Roman Ring of multiple wormholes the penalty covers any chronological advantage that might be obtained, virtual pressure upon the internal path coming straight from the transit of whatever communicable energy/mass tries to close the timelike curve.)

((Or wormhole ends just don't move, relative to each other. Whatever else they do move relative to. I'm not entirely sure how you'd move a wormholebend, given that we're not yet even sure how to create) a pair of wormhole ends, but this latter probably relies upon what's put inside the mouth-area...))

User avatar
Quizatzhaderac
Posts: 1510
Joined: Sun Oct 19, 2008 5:28 pm UTC
Location: Space Florida

Re: 1786: "Trash"

Postby Quizatzhaderac » Wed Jan 18, 2017 6:17 pm UTC

Soupspoon wrote:
Quizatzhaderac wrote:
Soupspoon wrote:What's the topology you create by threading a mystical portal through a relativistically influenced negatively curved Einstein-Rosen bridge across spacetime?
The coordinate time displacement between the ends remains constant.
Inside and outside?

(I suppose basic causality limitations could maintain a kind of Cauchy horizon across the 'cheating' path. I've also theorised that the transit time through a wormhole could be 'stretched' by the maximum disconnect experienced by any initially proximate-ended wormhole, so that even in a Roman Ring of multiple wormholes the penalty covers any chronological advantage that might be obtained, virtual pressure upon the internal path coming straight from the transit of whatever communicable energy/mass tries to close the timelike curve.)

((Or wormhole ends just don't move, relative to each other. Whatever else they do move relative to. I'm not entirely sure how you'd move a wormholebend, given that we're not yet even sure how to create) a pair of wormhole ends, but this latter probably relies upon what's put inside the mouth-area...))
Well, with a combination of Cauchy horizon, improbabilities, and negative feedback from reverse causality events.

Yes, the physical implications of of magical and mystical effects can quickly become very complicated, as can the magical or mystical implications of physical effects. The thing to remember is that Occam's razor applies differently to each. For the physical, one looks at material entities (matter, energy, fields); for the magical, one looks at objects; for the mystical, one looks at agents.

There are several feedback mechanisms that reduce reverse causality. First, physical probability is influenced and events become more chaotic. Magically: prophecies and curses tend to circumscribe the extent of the reverse causal events. Mystically: Aspects (that is to say: space-time local, egoless, non-person agents) come into being seeking to correct the topology issues and prevent paradoxes.
The thing about recursion problems is that they tend to contain other recursion problems.

User avatar
squall_line
Posts: 156
Joined: Fri Mar 20, 2009 2:36 am UTC

Re: 1786: "Trash"

Postby squall_line » Wed Jan 18, 2017 9:27 pm UTC

Am I the only one who thought of VaPOOrize?

Prebral
Posts: 1
Joined: Mon Jan 23, 2017 6:20 pm UTC

Re: 1786: "Trash"

Postby Prebral » Mon Jan 23, 2017 6:25 pm UTC

I have always wondered... If I open a magical portal into a fairy land where time goes much faster, wouldn't I get fried quickly by all the electromagnetic radiation coming from there? I suppose light coming from Narnia could be quite energetic and blueshifted, possibly reaching into X-ray domain...?

User avatar
Pfhorrest
Posts: 3968
Joined: Fri Oct 30, 2009 6:11 am UTC
Contact:

Re: 1786: "Trash"

Postby Pfhorrest » Mon Jan 23, 2017 6:33 pm UTC

That's why there's a dark wood and some heavy coats in the passageway.
Forrest Cameranesi, Geek of All Trades
"I am Sam. Sam I am. I do not like trolls, flames, or spam."
The Codex Quaerendae (my philosophy) - The Chronicles of Quelouva (my fiction)


Return to “Individual XKCD Comic Threads”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 36 guests