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1790: "Sad"

Postby thunk » Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:51 pm UTC

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Re: 1790: "Sad"

Postby jozwa » Wed Jan 25, 2017 5:06 pm UTC

Well that's a depressing comic

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Re: 1790: "Sad"

Postby pogrmman » Wed Jan 25, 2017 5:10 pm UTC

jozwa wrote:Well that's a depressing comic


It reminds me a lot of me around this time last year...
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I was really upset with myself and just didn't feel anything at all. I was also doing certain... things... to try and feel stuff


On another note, I wonder if Randall is doing OK?

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Re: 1790: "Sad"

Postby The_Alchemist » Wed Jan 25, 2017 5:11 pm UTC

Um

well

Yeah, I guess that sums it up.

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Re: 1790: "Sad"

Postby Keyman » Wed Jan 25, 2017 5:12 pm UTC

Would the title be referencing Seasonal Affective Disorder? This time of year, that's a thing. :(
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Re: 1790: "Sad"

Postby Quizatzhaderac » Wed Jan 25, 2017 5:25 pm UTC

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Re: 1790: "Sad"

Postby cellocgw » Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:09 pm UTC

Quizatzhaderac wrote:

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Re: 1790: "Sad"

Postby Pfhorrest » Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:14 pm UTC

I had initially assumed that the title was a reference to a frequent Trumpism, and in that light, inferred that the woman in the comic is upset the past few months because of the election.
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Re: 1790: "Sad"

Postby bilkie » Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:16 pm UTC

Humour lies in characiture, compassion in awareness. Excellent balance here. Well played, sir.

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Re: 1790: "Sad"

Postby orthogon » Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:22 pm UTC

Keyman wrote:Would the title be referencing Seasonal Affective Disorder? This time of year, that's a thing. :(

I assumed so, given Cue says "the past few months", though I wonder why he didn't go for all caps. My SAD hasn't been so bad this year: maybe I've just had a couple of conveniently timed things to look forward to, or maybe I've got better at dealing with it. A couple of times I've felt it creeping up on me and have been able to to say "no thanks" to it.

I liked this one. "Fact check: Mostly False" is an awesome riposte, which I'll try to make use of.

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Re: 1790: "Sad"

Postby CelticNot » Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:46 pm UTC

I didn't think about Seasonal Affective Disorder, but considering that today happens to be a day when a certain telco is promoting discussion of mental health, I found it quite timely.

Also, far, far too resonating for my comfort at times.
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Re: 1790: "Sad"

Postby Pfhorrest » Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:56 pm UTC

Oh yeah, that "Fact check:" line also contributed to me reading this as political commentary.
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Re: 1790: "Sad"

Postby alanbbent » Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:57 pm UTC

Oh jeez. Look, I'm not happy about the election either. But what is it about Randall and so many other babies that think it's a good idea to keep dwelling on it, complaining about it, and alienating approximately half of their reader/customer base? I understand that there are some coding jokes in the comic. Why did those jokes have to be a result of someone who is sad about the election??? Might as well have just taken the first frame to say "Just a reminder! I still think you're wrong if you don't agree with me. And I'm going to use my webcomic as a platform to communicate my political preferences and try to make people feel dumb if they don't agree."

Maybe Randall has enough money that he's cool with turning his brand into an analogue for the democratic party, because comics like this one aren't going to make non-democrats want to run to the xkcd store and buy a shirt.

Disclaimer: again, I'm not offended by this comic! I just think it's bad business. But maybe a platform is all Randall ever wanted in the first place.

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Re: 1790: "Sad"

Postby abridgerToNi » Wed Jan 25, 2017 7:02 pm UTC

alanbbent wrote:Disclaimer: again, I'm not offended by this comic! I just think it's bad business.

I'd argue that you're offended, because you read into the comic something that wasn't even necessarily there--just your own interpretation. And then you went on to lambaste Randall based on your interpretation--with some hyperbole thrown in as well "turning his brand into an analogue for the democratic party".

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Re: 1790: "Sad"

Postby alanbbent » Wed Jan 25, 2017 7:05 pm UTC

Super mad.

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Re: 1790: "Sad"

Postby Steve the Pocket » Wed Jan 25, 2017 7:08 pm UTC

I'm going to say the same thing to people who have been stuck in nothing-matters-anymore since the election that I say to soldiers who suffer from crippling PTSD: That just means you're still human. I'd worry more about anyone who's been through that and can still function.
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Re: 1790: "Sad"

Postby Flumble » Wed Jan 25, 2017 7:17 pm UTC

To expand on the last panel:

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Re: 1790: "Sad"

Postby NotAllThere » Wed Jan 25, 2017 7:35 pm UTC

alanbbent wrote:Oh jeez. Look, I'm not happy about the election either. But what is it about Randall and so many other babies that think it's a good idea to keep dwelling on it, complaining about it, and alienating approximately half of their reader/customer base? I understand that there are some coding jokes in the comic. Why did those jokes have to be a result of someone who is sad about the election??? Might as well have just taken the first frame to say "Just a reminder! I still think you're wrong if you don't agree with me. And I'm going to use my webcomic as a platform to communicate my political preferences and try to make people feel dumb if they don't agree."

Maybe Randall has enough money that he's cool with turning his brand into an analogue for the democratic party, because comics like this one aren't going to make non-democrats want to run to the xkcd store and buy a shirt.

Disclaimer: again, I'm not offended by this comic! I just think it's bad business. But maybe a platform is all Randall ever wanted in the first place.


Oh. I thought it was about Brexit. :mrgreen:
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Re: 1790: "Sad"

Postby Keyman » Wed Jan 25, 2017 7:41 pm UTC

alanbbent wrote:...and alienating approximately half of their reader/customer base?

Disclaimer: again, I'm not offended by this comic! I just think it's bad business. But maybe a platform is all Randall ever wanted in the first place.

Fact Check: Mostly False.

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Re: 1790: "Sad"

Postby jmsmith » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:20 pm UTC

If that was a guy? Not doing his job at all, for months?

Fired.

Or many bosses regardless of the enployee's gender, but still.

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Re: 1790: "Sad"

Postby cupric » Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:02 pm UTC

The title of this comic should have been "Sad!"

I expect most folks on this forum already know about Scott Adams' blog, but just in case:

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/153559105081/a-lesson-in-cognitive-dissonance

pull quote:

As Trump continues to demonstrate that he was never the incompetent monster his critics believed him to be, the critics will face an identity crisis. They either have to accept that they understand almost nothing about how the world works – because they got everything wrong about Trump – or they need to double-down on their current hallucination. Most of his critics will double-down. That’s how normal brains work.


For those who consider their opinions "evidence-based", Scott Adams' arguments have to be taken seriously, no matter how offensive or ridiculous some might find them, for the simple reason that he called out the political events of the last 18 months astoundingly well:

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/125930283831/how-trump-becomes-president (from August, 2015)

And once you understand the model he's advancing, it's pretty easy to practice yourself.

For example: I suspect that one side effect of all this ridiculous back and forth about how many people attended/witnessed/protested/whatever the inauguration will be to draw much more attention than usual to this year's March for Life this coming Friday. Normally this event is scrupulously ignored by traditional media outlets, but next week the news will be filled with arguments about whether the March for Life or the Women's March on Washington had more participants.

I suspect the attention that Trump will "accidentally" draw to the pro-life movement is in fact a deliberate gift from from him to social conservatives, who despite being appalled by his behavior and lifestyle, have been much more willing to give him a chance to govern than have progressives.

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Re: 1790: "Sad"

Postby Reka » Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:11 pm UTC

cupric wrote:Cupric quoted Scott Adams:
As Trump continues to demonstrate that he was never the incompetent monster his critics believed him to be....


I don't think Trump is an incompetent monster. I think he's a competent monster, a much more dangerous thing. (And Spence is worse.)

I do agree with those who've pointed out that interpreting this comic as political commentary is, while not far-fetched, still just an interpretation - it's just as logical to interpret it as referring to Seasonal Affective Disorder, or perhaps both politics and SAD, or perhaps some other thing that none of us have thought of yet.

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Re: 1790: "Sad"

Postby Sableagle » Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:57 pm UTC

alanbbent wrote:I still think you're wrong if you don't agree with me.
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Re: 1790: "Sad"

Postby Sableagle » Wed Jan 25, 2017 10:07 pm UTC

cupric wrote:The title of this comic should have been "Sad!"

I expect most folks on this forum already know about Scott Adams' blog
Someone posted a link earlier and I took a look. I saw some "Trump is way smarter than all of you people who don't support him because he's really smart so if you don't support him you're stupid so he's way smarter than you 'cause he's really smart and he's got the best people and he's gonna win an' make America great again," with a link to "Here's why anyone who'd even seriously consider voting for Hillary instead of Trump is a delusional idiot who has been hypnotised and brain-washed and how to help them snap out of it so they can understand that she is criminal scum and Trump is great and really, really smart and they should vote for him because he's the smartest man ever an' he's gonna drain tha swamp an' make America great again and only stupid people and people who hate America would vote for anyone else."

I decided that Scott is entirely welcome to roll up his collection of first editions and shove them up his arse, but shouldn't expect my assistance. :mrgreen:

Reka wrote:I do agree with those who've pointed out that interpreting this comic as political commentary is, while not far-fetched, still just an interpretation - it's just as logical to interpret it as referring to Seasonal Affective Disorder, or perhaps both politics and SAD, or perhaps some other thing that none of us have thought of yet.

It could be that she's suffering from SAD, that she's sad about some big event affecting lots of people that Mistah Supahvizor doesn't see as a problem or that the love of her life died of cancer three weeks ago and no, she can't Just Get Over It yet but thank you for the suggestion. It could also be a play on the overlap of the first two where ambiguity arises from the absence of careful capitalisation (as in "Help your Uncle Jack off his horse.")
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Re: 1790: "Sad"

Postby MyPasswordIsPassword » Wed Jan 25, 2017 10:33 pm UTC

cupric wrote:If it's crazy, but it works, it's not crazy.

I might say "If it's crazy, but it works, it can still be crazy" It all depends on what your interpretation of the word "reasonable" that Scott Adams uses in his blog post you referenced.

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alanbbent wrote:... what is it about Randall and so many other babies ...

Regardless of what Randall meant when drawing "Sad" (the New England winter, the US election, Brexit, or that he got mustard on his sandwich when he didn't want it) it reflects my general mindset and lack of motivation the last couple of months.

I'd love to put this election in the past, forget about it, or try not to care, but whether I hide from it or not the news every day continues to bring it right back. If you've found a way to do that, that's great, I wish I could too. I will hang onto the hope that Trump defies my expectations and enacts policy that actually helps the majority of Americans and the world, not just his donors and corporate interests. Until that happens, I'll be a baby, run to the XKCD store and buy a shirt, and then continue to read coding jokes until I feel better.

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Re: 1790: "Sad"

Postby markfiend » Wed Jan 25, 2017 10:41 pm UTC

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Re: 1790: "Sad"

Postby cupric » Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:27 pm UTC

Keyman wrote:Would the title be referencing Seasonal Affective Disorder? This time of year, that's a thing. :(


Could be, it would fit the "past few months" reference.

But consider:

  • Despite the comic being title "Sad", she's obviously angry more than anything.
  • "Can't imagine why" could conceivably be a reference to some knowledge shared between the two characters, but it really only makes sense as a comic if the reader can guess what happened a few months ago that would explain her mood.
  • "Fact Check: False"
  • I have a hard time visualizing Randal making fun of S.A.D., clinical depression, bipolar disorder, etc.; but politics would be fair game.

So while there's plenty of things that the comic could be referencing, I'll eat a bug if Randall wasn't thinking at least partly of Trump Derangement Syndrome (maybe his own case of it) when he wrote this.

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Re: 1790: "Sad"

Postby StClair » Thu Jan 26, 2017 12:03 am UTC

I've been going through the motions myself. Putting in a lot of MMO time - escapism. Trying to pretend everything is normal and it's going to be, if not okay, not completely awful.
Because the alternative is to switch from working on my resume to my suicide note.
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Re: 1790: "Sad"

Postby qvxb » Thu Jan 26, 2017 12:08 am UTC

Her problem the Stardew Valley farm. Give up agriculture. Build a mall on the north forty and a casino to the south. At some point declare bankruptcy (the sacrifice fly of business) on the latter. And never, ever show anyone your tax returns.

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Re: 1790: "Sad"

Postby cupric » Thu Jan 26, 2017 12:17 am UTC

Reka wrote:I don't think Trump is an incompetent monster. I think he's a competent monster, a much more dangerous thing. (And Spence is worse.)


For reference, can you give an example of an action that the new administration could take that you would consider monstrous? Would removing all federal aid to Planned Parenthood count? A certain number of deportations?

Would previous presidents who owned slaves, interned Japanese Americans, or firebombed Dresden also be considered monsters?

For my own part, if Trump tried to imprison anyone without due process, or deliberately kill non-combatants, I'd have hard time disagreeing with anyone who called him a monster. But I also don't hear a lot of people calling Jefferson or FDR monsters, so there seems to be an inconsistent standard.

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Re: 1790: "Sad"

Postby rmsgrey » Thu Jan 26, 2017 12:59 am UTC

StClair wrote:I've been going through the motions myself. Putting in a lot of MMO time - escapism. Trying to pretend everything is normal and it's going to be, if not okay, not completely awful.
Because the alternative is to switch from working on my resume to my suicide note.
(not kidding at all.)


Sounds like you need something to sing about: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv8uRVLN5Dc

Also: When things are bad, it's more likely that they'll improve - just wait for the wind to change.

Dunno if any of this helps...

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Re: 1790: "Sad"

Postby zjxs » Thu Jan 26, 2017 3:39 am UTC

Those aren't tears, that's cheese running down my face.

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Re: 1790: "Sad"

Postby RogueCynic » Thu Jan 26, 2017 4:16 am UTC

cupric wrote:
Keyman wrote:Would the title be referencing Seasonal Affective Disorder? This time of year, that's a thing. :(


Could be, it would fit the "past few months" reference.

But consider:

  • Despite the comic being title "Sad", she's obviously angry more than anything.
  • "Can't imagine why" could conceivably be a reference to some knowledge shared between the two characters, but it really only makes sense as a comic if the reader can guess what happened a few months ago that would explain her mood.
  • "Fact Check: False"
  • I have a hard time visualizing Randal making fun of S.A.D., clinical depression, bipolar disorder, etc.; but politics would be fair game.

So while there's plenty of things that the comic could be referencing, I'll eat a bug if Randall wasn't thinking at least partly of Trump Derangement Syndrome (maybe his own case of it) when he wrote this.


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Re: 1790: "Sad"

Postby Pfhorrest » Thu Jan 26, 2017 4:53 am UTC

Conversely, I work hard to stay depressed instead of risking getting angry by trying to be happy.
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Re: 1790: "Sad"

Postby niauropsaka » Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:08 am UTC

Actually me.

For a few days now I've been fllling Twitter with my excessive retweets, reading links I find there, and not a lot else.

Apparently there is a new sort of "Democratic version of the Tea Party" called Justice Democrats, a group of scientists running for office called 314 Action, and a Scientists' March on Washington coming up.

And Shia LaBeouf just got arrested after pushing a clown who showed up at his installation, got close to him, and said "Hitler did nothing wrong."

This era of protest, no, even more so, just this moment of protest, is like stories i remember about the 1960's & 1970's. It's exciting. But I'm mostly just retweeting crap right now.

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Re: 1790: "Sad"

Postby niauropsaka » Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:13 am UTC

cupric wrote:I suspect the attention that Trump will "accidentally" draw to the pro-life movement is in fact a deliberate gift from from him to social conservatives, who despite being appalled by his behavior and lifestyle, have been much more willing to give him a chance to govern than have progressives.

That's really reaching, sweetie.
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At this point, i don't expect anyone outside the pro-life activist movement to even notice this year's protests. Trump's attacks on EPA, CIA, etc. have sucked the attention away. The right-to-life lobby isn't the face of the right-wing right now.
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Re: 1790: "Sad"

Postby Quey » Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:15 am UTC

cupric wrote:The title of this comic should have been "Sad!"

I expect most folks on this forum already know about Scott Adams' blog, but just in case:

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/153559105081/a-lesson-in-cognitive-dissonance

pull quote:

As Trump continues to demonstrate that he was never the incompetent monster his critics believed him to be, the critics will face an identity crisis. They either have to accept that they understand almost nothing about how the world works – because they got everything wrong about Trump – or they need to double-down on their current hallucination. Most of his critics will double-down. That’s how normal brains work.



I wish it were so simple that Trump is willing to compromise on a few things, or is actually showing some less crazy views. But then he flip-flops again. And again. Just on the wall/fence alone, how can you trust anything he says? Adams was speculating on things when it was just words. The Trump being competent evidence is hard to bear out now we're past Thanksgiving and the nomination. I mean, just the appointments alone speak volumes. http://infographics.economist.com/2017/Trump/TrumpGraphic.html

I work in the education sector, and hearing talk of the education system "flush with cash", and Betsy Devos not aware of any of the issues schools face these days is not instilling confidence.

I would love it if Trump were to turn out hyper-competent, but I'm not seeing any of it. Sure, he's apparently competent at getting elected, but that by no means translates to governing well. So while there are things I disagree with on a fundamental level, that in my view doing any way is not good, eg, scrubbing climate change data, or doubling down on oil. But some of them, while I would oppose them any way they are done, are set up to be done in the most idiotic ways. Take, for example, from the hundred day plan, the issues of too many bureaucrats and too many regulations. While, politically, you could probably put me on the side that says these aren't problems, generally speaking, if you somehow did convince me these were priorities, the solutions he presented (untargeted across the board attrition and "delete 2 for each 1 written", respectively) are just the dumbest ways of tackling these perceived issues.

If I'm missing something, and I'm really just experiencing cognitive dissonance, please, point that shit out. I honestly believe I have looked at as much evidence I can reasonably be asked to collect and find myself staring at the same conclusions I had before the elections: Trump is not competent to be president, and will not be doing reasonable things. I'm no Democratic hardliner, and I've actually been quite disappointed by the Democratic party in many ways. I mean, just the incompetence alone to lose all three branches of gov't AND the vast majority of governorships when you have a sizable popular majority opposing the least popular presidential candidate in history and an unpopular Republican-controlled Congress is astounding.

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Re: 1790: "Sad"

Postby niauropsaka » Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:20 am UTC

cupric wrote:For reference, can you give an example of an action that the new administration could take that you would consider monstrous?

Hamstringing EPA when pollinator insects just got declared endangered. Which he seems to have just done. So, yeah, I guess I can call him a monster now. Thanks for the term.

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Re: 1790: "Sad"

Postby Diadem » Thu Jan 26, 2017 3:02 pm UTC

cupric wrote:For those who consider their opinions "evidence-based", Scott Adams' arguments have to be taken seriously, no matter how offensive or ridiculous some might find them, for the simple reason that he called out the political events of the last 18 months astoundingly well:

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/125930283831/how-trump-becomes-president (from August, 2015)

Huh, that's a very different Scott Adams than the one we saw in 2016, ranting about how awesome Trump is and how he was going to win in a landslide. Neither of them were particularly visionary though. Most of what he writes in this post was wrong. Giving Trump a 5% chance of victory was more than most pundits, but he still gives a 95% chance of Hillary winning, which obviously did not happen. That also means he was giving 0% to everybody else, which was quite clearly wrong at that time. He writes that 'the time is write for a woman to win', which, considering all the sexist backlash Hillary got, doesn't seem like a position that holds up to scrutiny. He's talking about how Trump is displaying "New York style communication", but Trump was quite unpopular in New York. He describes this New York style as 'blunt and honest'. I'll give him the first one, but to call Trump honest requires some very partisan glasses. Finally he writes about how Trump chances would go up if he shaved his head. Well we can't fact check that, but he clearly didn't need it to win.

Like I said, later on Scott Adams was predicting a landslide for Trump. Which is pretty big flop from what he's saying here. And still not a correct prediction, since it was very close.

Scott Adams blows a lot of wind, but don't let it fool you. Yeah, he was more correct on Trump than most other pundits. But his track record of prediction is still pretty lousy.
It's one of those irregular verbs, isn't it? I have an independent mind, you are an eccentric, he is round the twist
- Bernard Woolley in Yes, Prime Minister

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Re: 1790: "Sad"

Postby speising » Thu Jan 26, 2017 3:15 pm UTC

but you have to admit,
Nothing but a health problem or a new scandal could stop the inevitability train.

was quite spot-on...


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