1854: "Refresh Types"

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1854: "Refresh Types"

Postby jozwa » Fri Jun 23, 2017 3:09 pm UTC

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Alt-text: "The hardest refresh requires both a Mac keyboard and a Windows keyboard as a security measure, like how missile launch systems require two keys to be turned at once."

Even more hardest refresh.

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Re: 1854: "Refresh Types"

Postby richardalbury » Fri Jun 23, 2017 3:14 pm UTC

Typo, sorta: the hard reset list of keys has control-shift, should be control-shift-R

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Re: 1854: "Refresh Types"

Postby cellocgw » Fri Jun 23, 2017 3:17 pm UTC

Just evolution?
I was going for a reset right back to the Big Bang.
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Re: 1854: "Refresh Types"

Postby Soupspoon » Fri Jun 23, 2017 3:22 pm UTC

What do I press for a lemon-scented oshibori?

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Re: 1854: "Refresh Types"

Postby @maniexx » Fri Jun 23, 2017 3:28 pm UTC

Actually, an in-browser shortcut to restart the server process would be kinda cool. And one that refreshes all kinds of dns caches along the way. Oh, and also one that hard refreshes the clients browser, so they don't report the bug as unfixed without even doing a regular refresh. (happened to me, or at least that's the only explanation we have).
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Re: 1854: "Refresh Types"

Postby SDK » Fri Jun 23, 2017 4:40 pm UTC

I'd rather have a shortcut for hard refreshment.
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Re: 1854: "Refresh Types"

Postby Keyman » Fri Jun 23, 2017 4:45 pm UTC

If we do the "Hardest", will we all have to create new log ins for this site? :evil:
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Re: 1854: "Refresh Types"

Postby melladh » Fri Jun 23, 2017 5:16 pm UTC

Just... just have to point out that Chrome (which in my noob experience has best web dev tools to test your stuff) does NOT clear cache on cmd+shift+R anymore. I could not understand why it wouldn't work, for AGES, and then learned you have to rightclick the reload icon with inspect up to get the full clear cache option. -.-* Apps breaking standards they used to follow is the biggest source of confusion.
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Re: 1854: "Refresh Types"

Postby Flumble » Fri Jun 23, 2017 5:24 pm UTC

Keyman wrote:If we do the "Hardest", will we all have to create new log ins for this site? :evil:

Surely we get to keep all databases.
We just have to reinvent DNS and HTTP —and do it right this time. (right this day and age that is; the current setup was "right" back when people were writing HELO to the mail server and viruses were spread through floppy disks)

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Re: 1854: "Refresh Types"

Postby Kracka » Fri Jun 23, 2017 5:38 pm UTC

Just so you know its 1 key and 4 switches. I can explain more if you want.

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Re: 1854: "Refresh Types"

Postby Paulmichael » Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:22 pm UTC

I'll never forget the combination for DeepFreeze, a software used to lock down the hard drive: Ctrl+Alt+Shift+X+F6.

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Re: 1854: "Refresh Types"

Postby RogueCynic » Sat Jun 24, 2017 3:05 am UTC

SDK wrote:I'd rather have a shortcut for hard refreshment.



What about the tab key?
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Re: 1854: "Refresh Types"

Postby Copper Bezel » Sat Jun 24, 2017 4:08 am UTC

Does Shift+Tab make someone else pay for it?
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Re: 1854: "Refresh Types"

Postby dtilque » Sat Jun 24, 2017 5:44 am UTC

RogueCynic wrote:
SDK wrote:I'd rather have a shortcut for hard refreshment.



What about the tab key?

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Re: 1854: "Refresh Types"

Postby Morgan Wick » Sat Jun 24, 2017 7:00 am UTC

RogueCynic wrote:
SDK wrote:I'd rather have a shortcut for hard refreshment.



What about the tab key?

Press Tab.

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Re: 1854: "Refresh Types"

Postby Hiferator » Sat Jun 24, 2017 12:49 pm UTC

Ctrl-Shift should be Ctrl-Shift-R for Hard Refresh.

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Re: 1854: "Refresh Types"

Postby wumpus » Sat Jun 24, 2017 1:38 pm UTC

Hiferator wrote:Ctrl-Shift should be Ctrl-Shift-R for Hard Refresh.


How did Randal miss the coke-bottle reference? I'm pretty sure somewhere at the harder levels should involve Ctrl-Meta-Coke_Bottle.

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Re: 1854: "Refresh Types"

Postby Rombobjörn » Sat Jun 24, 2017 5:17 pm UTC

The "hard refresh" is the normal refresh to me. When I press Ctrl-R my browser reloads everything on that page. On a Windows computer I've seen the behaviour that Randall calls "normal refresh": that the browser reloads only the HTML. I'm not sure whether that was all browsers on Windows or just some. I can't even think of a way to get my browser – Seamonkey on Fedora – to reload only the HTML, nor have I ever felt a great need to do that.

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Keyman wrote:If we do the "Hardest", will we all have to create new log ins for this site? :evil:

Surely we get to keep all databases.
We just have to reinvent DNS and HTTP —and do it right this time. (right this day and age that is; the current setup was "right" back when people were writing HELO to the mail server and viruses were spread through floppy disks)

And can we please design it with mandatory encryption from the beginning this time?

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Re: 1854: "Refresh Types"

Postby Copper Bezel » Sat Jun 24, 2017 8:15 pm UTC

Cached images that have since been removed continue to appear in pages for me after a refresh in Chrome on Linux. I haven't used Firefox enough to be sure of the behavior there. I notice that in Epiphany, which is currently my default browser and also just Webkit with a headerbar, Ctrl+Shift+R works but isn't listed in the shortcuts reference, so I have no idea whether it or Ctrl+R reload cached assets.
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Re: 1854: "Refresh Types"

Postby rmsgrey » Sun Jun 25, 2017 1:02 pm UTC

There's also the "even-softer reset" - or repaint - minimise and then restore (or wave another window over the top)

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Re: 1854: "Refresh Types"

Postby eviloatmeal » Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:13 pm UTC

Odds are, there's some old mainframe forgotten in a basement somewhere, happily holding together the critical layers of the internet, and anyone could telnet in and issue the hardest reset at any time.
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Re: 1854: "Refresh Types"

Postby peterdavidcarter » Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:27 pm UTC

The great thing is that with a few keymappings and a little knowledge of DNS queries you could actually do this.

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Re: 1854: "Refresh Types"

Postby Aubri » Mon Jun 26, 2017 1:48 am UTC

Hard Refresh 2: Refresh Harder

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Re: 1854: "Refresh Types"

Postby zjxs » Mon Jun 26, 2017 5:22 am UTC

Refresh Hard: With a Vengeance.

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Re: 1854: "Refresh Types"

Postby Soupspoon » Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:10 am UTC

Refresh Hard 4.0 (a.k.a Live Free Or Refresh Hard: the PhilosopherSorcerer's Stone, Slaves to Refresh: God of Reboots Control-Alt: Delete Fortress, or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Refresh: iNTO dARKNESS)

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Re: 1854: "Refresh Types"

Postby Flumble » Mon Jun 26, 2017 9:33 am UTC

2hard2refresh: Electric Boogaloo

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Re: 1854: "Refresh Types"

Postby MakingProgress » Mon Jun 26, 2017 4:44 pm UTC

RogueCynic wrote:
SDK wrote:I'd rather have a shortcut for hard refreshment.



What about the tab key?


Nope, hard refreshments are served at the Space Bar. :idea:

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Re: 1854: "Refresh Types"

Postby Soupspoon » Mon Jun 26, 2017 5:29 pm UTC

MakingProgress wrote:Nope, hard refreshments are served at the Space Bar. :idea:
You get there via the Num Lock. (Not the Air Lock.)

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Re: 1854: "Refresh Types"

Postby rmsgrey » Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:44 pm UTC

eviloatmeal wrote:Odds are, there's some old mainframe forgotten in a basement somewhere, happily holding together the critical layers of the internet, and anyone could telnet in and issue the hardest reset at any time.


At least at the lower levels of the internet, the whole point is that there aren't any critical nodes - as long as enough telephone exchanges survive, the US military can stay in communication despite losing a whole bunch of nodes in just about any combination that doesn't actively split the country.

If you managed to take out a root DNS server, you could break a reasonable chunk of the internet, assuming there's no failover in place.

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Re: 1854: "Refresh Types"

Postby Eternal Density » Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:37 am UTC

Keyman wrote:If we do the "Hardest", will we all have to create new log ins for this site? :evil:

This site might not exist. Perhaps the internet's technology and culture will develop upon slightly different lines. Maybe webcomics or discussion forums won't exist or will function in a different way or will have different content.

Maybe the internet could do with a hardest refresh, if the end product lacks <insert list of personally disliked chunks of internet here>.
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Re: 1854: "Refresh Types"

Postby Copper Bezel » Wed Jun 28, 2017 9:37 am UTC

Like maybe the "zero" in ones and zeroes isn't the real zero, and if just one server drops to a lower state by a random fluctuation, it'll propagate through the whole system and destroy all extant structure, and it could reboot with subtly different protocols, shifted constants, even the geometry of the network might work differently....
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Re: 1854: "Refresh Types"

Postby Flumble » Wed Jun 28, 2017 11:37 am UTC

In lots of places the 'physical' zero is a negative already. Or both the 'one' and the 'zero' are sequences of on/off.


Anyway, please reinvent websockets as simply a binary stream. :oops:

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Re: 1854: "Refresh Types"

Postby Archgeek » Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:53 pm UTC

Copper Bezel wrote:Like maybe the "zero" in ones and zeroes isn't the real zero, and if just one server drops to a lower state by a random fluctuation, it'll propagate through the whole system and destroy all extant structure, and it could reboot with subtly different protocols, shifted constants, even the geometry of the network might work differently....


HEH, Kudos on the Ice-9 reference, there.

I wonder if demi-practical quantum computing could find itself exhibiting such metastable behaviour.
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