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1953: "The History of Unicode"

Postby ivnja » Fri Feb 09, 2018 6:11 pm UTC

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Title text: 2048: "Great news for Maine—we're once again an independent state!!! Thanks, @unicode, for ruling in our favor and sending troops to end New Hampshire's annexation."
^ the forum won't allow the three emojis at the end of the title text tweet - [Person with Folded Hands], [Helicopter], [Military Medal]


Yes, that was my Senator's actual tweet, including the cow and the crown emojis to sign his name (which was pretty clever, tbh). CNN's politics section had a short writeup about it. We lost our lobster license plates in 2000, and I'm so glad that we finally have another way to plaster one of our signature food items everywhere for everyone to see.
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Re: 1953: "The History of Unicode"

Postby lufen » Fri Feb 09, 2018 6:19 pm UTC

Is there something wrong with the image scaling...?

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Re: 1953: "The History of Unicode"

Postby J%r » Fri Feb 09, 2018 6:22 pm UTC

Did the image change? Somehow I only see the top rectangle.

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Re: 1953: "The History of Unicode"

Postby Godsguy » Fri Feb 09, 2018 6:23 pm UTC

I was so confused for a while - looks like the image didn't get loaded correctly.

On a related note - Maine made XKCD! Yay! and Awwww, at our idiot senator. We need to dethrone the King.
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Re: 1953: "The History of Unicode"

Postby ivnja » Fri Feb 09, 2018 6:26 pm UTC

J%r wrote:Did the image change? Somehow I only see the top rectangle.
Godsguy wrote:I was so confused for a while - looks like the image didn't get loaded correctly.

It changed while I was making my post, but it's back to normal now.
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Re: 1953: "The History of Unicode"

Postby mrog » Fri Feb 09, 2018 6:48 pm UTC

Further proof that things got a little weird: http://unicode.org/consortium/adopt-a-character.html

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Re: 1953: "The History of Unicode"

Postby Soupspoon » Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:01 pm UTC

ivnja wrote:^ the forum won't allow the three emojis at the end of the title text tweet - [Person with Folded Hands], [Helicopter], [Military Medal]

Ah, cheers for that. I don't get those at all. Or maybe just one. Can't id the single splodge, maybe its the "idunno" Android head, but I can't make it bigger.

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Re: 1953: "The History of Unicode"

Postby orthogon » Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:08 pm UTC

Mmmm... Lobster...
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Re: 1953: "The History of Unicode"

Postby keithl » Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:08 pm UTC

In June 2017: 136,755 unicode symbols, up from 128,237 in 2016. At a linear rate of expansion, there will be more than 8 trillion unicode symbols a billion years from now, as the Sun heats the Earth beyond survivability.

In that same time, the round-trip speed-of-light communication sphere will have expanded to half a billion light years, encompassing the entire Laniakea Supercluster and 100,000 other galaxies, each with perhaps as many as 10 billion star systems inhabited by native or immigrant intelligence. Many of these star systems will be encompassed by cold Stapledon-Dyson shells (60 Kelvin, 50 AU for our solar system), converting most of the light from the stars into artificial intelligence at maximum thermodynamic efficiency, which amplifies the intelligent-entity support capacity of each star system by another factor of a billion. They will depend on symbols for communication, and their very existence.

So, 100,000 galaxies, 10 billion star systems in each, a billion times more intelligence per star system, and a billion years spent creating 8 trillion new unicode symbols per earth-intelligence equivalent. 8e36 unicode symbols. UTF-128 should be adequate, but the power output of entire star clusters will be devoted to synchronizing and maintaining local copies of the database, and hunting for duplicates.

And the "lobster" emoji? Gone, when the solar system is destroyed by angry intelligent lobsters, resulting from a too-literal reading of Accelerando by Charles Stross.

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Re: 1953: "The History of Unicode"

Postby jello34543 » Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:36 pm UTC

keithl wrote:In June 2017: 136,755 unicode symbols, up from 128,237 in 2016. At a linear rate of expansion, there will be more than 8 trillion unicode symbols a billion years from now, as the Sun heats the Earth beyond survivability.


Darn, someone beat me to a Unicode exhaustion post.

... but the power output of entire star clusters will be devoted to synchronizing and maintaining local copies of the database, and hunting for duplicates.


Um, we don't do (sufficient) dedup now. Unicode is full of duplicates, some for well meaning reasons, but none the less undesirable and troublesome.

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Re: 1953: "The History of Unicode"

Postby niauropsaka » Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:26 pm UTC

Somehow, I blame Japan.

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Re: 1953: "The History of Unicode"

Postby Pfhorrest » Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:40 pm UTC

Emoji are mostly Japan's fault (the originals come from various CJK encodings), so yeah, that's fair.
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Re: 1953: "The History of Unicode"

Postby patzer » Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:42 pm UTC

jello34543 wrote:Um, we don't do (sufficient) dedup now. Unicode is full of duplicates, some for well meaning reasons, but none the less undesirable and troublesome.

Oh, that explains it. I had wondered why there are two identical aubergine emoji unicode characters. wikipedia article history 1, wikipedia article history 2. Bizarrely, the first aubergine emoji that I linked to is an unsupported character on this forum and I can't post it, but the second one () isn't.
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Re: 1953: "The History of Unicode"

Postby speising » Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:00 pm UTC

patzer wrote:
jello34543 wrote:Um, we don't do (sufficient) dedup now. Unicode is full of duplicates, some for well meaning reasons, but none the less undesirable and troublesome.

Oh, that explains it. I had wondered why there are two identical aubergine emoji unicode characters. wikipedia article history 1, wikipedia article history 2. Bizarrely, the first aubergine emoji that I linked to is an unsupported character on this forum and I can't post it, but the second one () isn't.

bizarrely, the first of those displays on my phone as an unhealthily swollen penis which probably is supposed to represent an aubergine, while the second one seems to be a kanji.

so much for "reduce problems".

a similar, albeit less crass difference in representation exists with a smilie a friend of me likes to use which she interprets on her phone as a wide grin, while on mine it looks like bared teeth in anger. lesser things have led to wars!

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Re: 1953: "The History of Unicode"

Postby Soupspoon » Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:07 pm UTC

patzer wrote:
jello34543 wrote:Bizarrely, the first aubergine emoji that I linked to is an unsupported character on this forum and I can't post it, but the second one () isn't.
Is(/looks like) a space, on my device. Don't know if it is still what it claims to be (to others) after posting, quoting, etc.

And not really interested in whatever jumping through hoops I need to do to get any missing font on here. Seems like it's easier to do in Windows, ironically.

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Re: 1953: "The History of Unicode"

Postby rmsgrey » Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:16 pm UTC

I just see the debated aubergine as E348

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Re: 1953: "The History of Unicode"

Postby ucim » Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:26 pm UTC

Instead of displaying an image, the emoji characters should display a paragraph describing the image that should appear, its social significance, and a link to an interpretive dance version of the emoji. For those that don't lend themselves to interpretive dance, a symphony should begin playing that expresses the content of the emoji, ignoring user's preferences and sound settings.

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Re: 1953: "The History of Unicode"

Postby Pfhorrest » Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:27 pm UTC

speising wrote:bizarrely, the first of those displays on my phone as an unhealthily swollen penis which probably is supposed to represent an aubergine

What kind of phone is that? Can you find an image of how that displays on your phone on some online emojidex or something? I've heard that kids are using that emoji to mean "penis" but an all of my (Apple) devices it really doesn't look particularly like one.

ETA: Found this:
https://emojipedia.org/aubergine/

I guess the LG one kinda looks like a penis? I mean, I've seen a lot of penises and none of them looked anything like any of those other versions.
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Re: 1953: "The History of Unicode"

Postby chridd » Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:29 pm UTC

patzer wrote:Oh, that explains it. I had wondered why there are two identical aubergine emoji unicode characters. wikipedia article history 1, wikipedia article history 2. Bizarrely, the first aubergine emoji that I linked to is an unsupported character on this forum and I can't post it, but the second one () isn't.
The second one isn't an eggplant emoji; it's a private use character, which can be anything the person who created the font wants it to be (i.e., it's not standardized). In the ConScript Unicode Registry, for instance, it's assigned to the constructed language Zírí:nka, letter U low falling (described here, from here). It appears as an eggplant on my iPhone (I think iOS used private use characters for emoji before emoji were standardized), but on my Mac (which also has Apple Color Emoji) it's just a box with E34A.

The first character isn't supported by the forums because the forums don't like characters with codes above U+FFFF (65535), which most emoji are. ☹
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Re: 1953: "The History of Unicode"

Postby speising » Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:39 pm UTC

Pfhorrest wrote:
speising wrote:bizarrely, the first of those displays on my phone as an unhealthily swollen penis which probably is supposed to represent an aubergine

What kind of phone is that? Can you find an image of how that displays on your phone on some online emojidex or something? I've heard that kids are using that emoji to mean "penis" but an all of my (Apple) devices it really doesn't look particularly like one.

ETA: Found this:
https://emojipedia.org/aubergine/

I guess the LG one kinda looks like a penis? I mean, I've seen a lot of penises and none of them looked anything like any of those other versions.

I might have been a bit malicious. Anyway , it's a Sony android phone.
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Re: 1953: "The History of Unicode"

Postby KittenKaboodle » Sat Feb 10, 2018 12:01 am UTC

"things got a little weird" ?

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Re: 1953: "The History of Unicode"

Postby ucim » Sat Feb 10, 2018 12:25 am UTC

I think the aubergines that the Japanese had in mind were longer and thinner than the eggplants we're used to.

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Postby Mikeski » Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:28 am UTC

ucim wrote:I think the aubergines that the Japanese had in mind were longer and thinner than the eggplants we're used to.

A quick image search of "Japanese eggplant" confirms that; they've got more of a chili-pepper profile.

And Thai eggplants are small, spherical, and green with white stripes. Do they have their own emoji? No!

What do we want? Aubergine equality! When do we want it? Now!

(And then the kids can add a pair of Thai eggplants to their Japanese eggplant, to make the comparison clearer.)

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Re: 1953: "The History of Unicode"

Postby RogueCynic » Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:17 am UTC

Let's celebrate the new emoji.

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Re: 1953: "The History of Unicode"

Postby somitomi » Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:05 am UTC

I honestly thought the tweet in the second panel was made up by Randall to be extremely absurd.
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patzer wrote:Bizarrely, the first aubergine emoji that I linked to is an unsupported character on this forum and I can't post it, but the second one () isn't.

Funnily enough, my computer will gladly display the first, but shows a box with numbers in it in place of the second.
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Postby Eternal Density » Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:13 am UTC

I didn't expect the tweet to be real.
I think it's neat that the thread was started by a Maine person. (What's the word for people who live in Maine?)
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Re: 1953: "The History of Unicode"

Postby gcgcgcgc » Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:18 am UTC

The great news is that all other problems in Maine must have been solved or gone away, to leave their Senators with nothing better to do but concern themselves with such trivial matters.
Maine: the ideal no-crime, no-poverty state, now with Unicodes! And Emoji(s?)
(I like also the "across the country" bit. Did he think the Uni in Unicode is short for Unitedstates?)

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Postby gcgcgcgc » Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:21 am UTC

Does this codepoint combine with the modifier from comic 1813 to form vomiting lobster emoji?

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Postby GlassHouses » Sat Feb 10, 2018 12:19 pm UTC

speising wrote:
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I tried looking up that character. It appears to be 糇, which is Chinese (didn't find it in my Japanese dictionary), meaning "dried rice" or "dry goods / provisions," U+7CC7.
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Re: 1953: "The History of Unicode"

Postby sotanaht » Sat Feb 10, 2018 12:40 pm UTC

Most of these emoji don't display on my PC, and I'm happy with that result.

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Re: 1953: "The History of Unicode"

Postby Soupspoon » Sat Feb 10, 2018 12:59 pm UTC

Eternal Density wrote:(What's the word for people who live in Maine?)

Mainekind?

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Soupspoon wrote:
Eternal Density wrote:(What's the word for people who live in Maine?)

Mainekind?

I know a few who like to call themselves Mainiacs.

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Postby ucim » Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:08 pm UTC

sotanaht wrote:Most of these emoji don't display on my PC, and I'm happy with that result.
Just imagine it with animated emoji.

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Re: 1953: "The History of Unicode"

Postby ivnja » Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:17 pm UTC

Eternal Density wrote:(What's the word for people who live in Maine?)
Mainers, although I don't think there's technically an official demonym.

jc wrote:I know a few who like to call themselves Mainiacs.
And then there's the ultra-special breed, the Maineiacs, who you'll find screaming abuse at opposing goaltenders from the student section balcony at the Alfond every other Friday and Saturday night from mid-October to mid-February. (Go Blue!)
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Re: 1953: "The History of Unicode"

Postby sfmans » Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:45 pm UTC

I knew civilisation was doomed when I found out that Swift supports emojis in object names.

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Re: 1953: "The History of Unicode"

Postby Rombobjörn » Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:11 pm UTC

Mikeski wrote:A quick image search of "Japanese eggplant" confirms that; they've got more of a chili-pepper profile.

And Thai eggplants are small, spherical, and green with white stripes.

Are there eggplants that actually resemble eggs?

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Re: 1953: "The History of Unicode"

Postby Soupspoon » Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:52 pm UTC

Rombobjörn wrote:Are there eggplants that actually resemble eggs?

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File ... n_eggs.jpg

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Re: 1953: "The History of Unicode"

Postby Mikeski » Sat Feb 10, 2018 10:32 pm UTC

jc wrote:I know a few who like to call themselves Mainiacs.

The only former-Bostonian I've worked with called himself a Masshole.

Kinda makes me wish there was a good self-deprecating term for "Minnesotan". Other than "Canadian".

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Re: 1953: "The History of Unicode"

Postby typo » Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:04 am UTC

Mikeski wrote:
jc wrote:I know a few who like to call themselves Mainiacs.

The only former-Bostonian I've worked with called himself a Masshole.

Kinda makes me wish there was a good self-deprecating term for "Minnesotan". Other than "Canadian".


HEY! What's so self-deprecating about "Canadian"?

Oh, sorry, didn't mean to shout, eh.

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Re: 1953: "The History of Unicode"

Postby da Doctah » Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:00 am UTC

Mikeski wrote:
jc wrote:I know a few who like to call themselves Mainiacs.

The only former-Bostonian I've worked with called himself a Masshole.

Kinda makes me wish there was a good self-deprecating term for "Minnesotan". Other than "Canadian".


I think you mean "Baja Canadian".


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