1980: "Turkish Delight"

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Re: 1980: "Turkish Delight"

Postby heuristically_alone » Sun Apr 29, 2018 6:52 pm UTC

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Does that include Snickets?

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Re: 1980: "Turkish Delight"

Postby rmsgrey » Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:30 am UTC

orthogon wrote:
Mikeski wrote:
orthogon wrote:Why would you even think of putting a third person singular verb ending on a blooming adverb?


Because there's no such thing as bad publicity.

Almost certainly.

I just noticed that in small text it says "the top doth twisteth off", which is almost right except they needed to choose between "the top twisteth" and "the top doth twist". Both sound quite amusing to my ear.


Surely that should be "offeth" in their dialect?

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Re: 1980: "Turkish Delight"

Postby Steve the Pocket » Thu May 03, 2018 6:18 am UTC

orthogon wrote:In related news (related, that is, to the completely off-topic matter of people trying to use archaic language but not doing the research), I keep seeing posters from this Bud Light campaign:
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Why would you even think of putting a third person singular verb ending on a blooming adverb?

A far better question is what the deuce Budweiser thinks they're playing at trying to sell that crap in the UK.

The only reason Americans even drink it is that it tastes like the fake beer their great-grandparents got used to the taste of during Prohibition, which of course never happened in any other country.
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Re: 1980: "Turkish Delight"

Postby YellowYeti » Thu May 03, 2018 2:16 pm UTC

Steve the Pocket wrote:A far better question is what the deuce Budweiser thinks they're playing at trying to sell that crap in the UK.

The only reason Americans even drink it is that it tastes like the fake beer their great-grandparents got used to the taste of during Prohibition, which of course never happened in any other country.


The US gets a lot of crap over it's beers - mostly deserved - but the most popular beers in the UK are also pretty awful:
Stella
Fosters
Carling
Carlsberg
Budweiser

It's a lot easier to find a good beer in the UK than the US, but the prime guiding factor for most beer drinkers doesn't appear to be taste.

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Re: 1980: "Turkish Delight"

Postby circo » Thu May 03, 2018 2:34 pm UTC

Hey, Stella is pretty decent!
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Re: 1980: "Turkish Delight"

Postby ucim » Thu May 03, 2018 2:38 pm UTC

Yanno, Fosters used to be good. When it first came out, it was quite decent. However, it changed suddenly (many years ago) and I haven't looked back.

But I doubt any beer would be good with Turkish delight.

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Re: 1980: "Turkish Delight"

Postby Soupspoon » Thu May 03, 2018 3:14 pm UTC

YellowYeti wrote:Stella Belgian pilsner
Fosters Australian lager
Carling Canadian lager
Carlsberg Danish
Budweiser US


Now, I'm not an expert in homegrown (to the UK, in origin as well as locally licensed production) brewing, and am more a bitter man than a lager or ale one (with an inexpert side-line in ciders), so while I could mention some brands (probably owned and operated from oversees now, co-producing some of the above brands) maybe better to talk to someone in CAMRA about what's good.

(But if it needs to be chilled to taste refreshing, I tend to think there's probably something wrong. If the main complaint about British beer is that it's served warm then you have other issues that a cold beer alone won't solve.)

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Re: 1980: "Turkish Delight"

Postby orthogon » Thu May 03, 2018 5:02 pm UTC

I'm a fan of real ale myself, but on a hot day, a bland tasteless lager served ice-cold comes closest to providing pure unadulterated refreshment than anything else.
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Re: 1980: "Turkish Delight"

Postby commodorejohn » Thu May 03, 2018 6:30 pm UTC

circo wrote:Hey, Stella is pretty decent

Stella is passably okay without anything much to recommend it. It's not garbage like Budweiser or Miller, it's just kind of a generic beer in a classy label.

But then as far as American beer goes, the trick is to ignore all products of the multi-headed monopoly that dominates the market and get pretty much literally anything else from any smaller brewery in the country. There's some damn good beer here, InBev just doesn't want you to know about it.
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Re: 1980: "Turkish Delight"

Postby Mikeski » Thu May 03, 2018 8:40 pm UTC

While we cannot apologize enough for inflicting Budweiser and its ilk on the rest of the world...

"Beer" is having a renaissance in the US. The Brewer's Association said there were 6372 breweries in the USA in 2017. Up 16% from 2016. And way up from a post-Prohibition minimum of only 89 breweries in 1978.

I know I can drive to a large number of microbreweries, to the point that I can have all the beer I want in a year, and never have to sit in the same building twice, nor ever have to drink two glasses of the same thing. Nor drink styles of beer that I don't like. (IPA, yick. Pilsner, ugh. Give me something malty that I can cut with a knife.)

But I'm not sure if even the largest "microbrews" have enough output to export to the UK... Can you get stuff like Surly, New Belgium, Stone Brewing, Deschutes, etc., on that side of the pond? Or is it all bud and coors and miller?

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Re: 1980: "Turkish Delight"

Postby Keyman » Thu May 03, 2018 9:41 pm UTC

Mikeski wrote:While we cannot apologize enough for inflicting Budweiser and its ilk on the rest of the world...

"Beer" is having a renaissance in the US. The Brewer's Association said there were 6372 breweries in the USA in 2017. Up 16% from 2016. And way up from a post-Prohibition minimum of only 89 breweries in 1978.

I know I can drive to a large number of microbreweries, to the point that I can have all the beer I want in a year, and never have to sit in the same building twice, nor ever have to drink two glasses of the same thing. Nor drink styles of beer that I don't like. (IPA, yick. Pilsner, ugh. Give me something malty that I can cut with a knife.)

But I'm not sure if even the largest "microbrews" have enough output to export to the UK... Can you get stuff like Surly, New Belgium, Stone Brewing, Deschutes, etc., on that side of the pond? Or is it all bud and coors and miller?

Just got back from a week in London (I live three LRT stops from Surly). A friend says "You must go to the Prospect Of Whitby, the oldest bar on the Thames" It's 'modern' now, but was established in 1520."

So I order a "Redhead" brewed by Twickenham Fine Ales. Sounds awfully British, doesn't it?

My beer app tells me it is an "American Amber/Red Ale" :roll:
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Re: 1980: "Turkish Delight"

Postby GlassHouses » Fri May 04, 2018 4:46 am UTC

commodorejohn wrote:But then as far as American beer goes, the trick is to ignore all products of the multi-headed monopoly that dominates the market and get pretty much literally anything else from any smaller brewery in the country. There's some damn good beer here, InBev just doesn't want you to know about it.

So true. I grew up in the Netherlands and was thoroughly spoiled by all the great beers available there, especially the wonderful and crazy variety of Belgian brews... But in my years in America, I've been to bars that serve local brews that were so varied and excellent they brought tears of joy to my eyes. There is a thriving beer culture here, and I have the sense that it's only getting better.

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Re: 1980: "Turkish Delight"

Postby YellowYeti » Fri May 04, 2018 8:48 am UTC

Mikeski wrote:While we cannot apologize enough for inflicting Budweiser and its ilk on the rest of the world...

"Beer" is having a renaissance in the US. The Brewer's Association said there were 6372 breweries in the USA in 2017. Up 16% from 2016. And way up from a post-Prohibition minimum of only 89 breweries in 1978.

I know I can drive to a large number of microbreweries, to the point that I can have all the beer I want in a year, and never have to sit in the same building twice, nor ever have to drink two glasses of the same thing. Nor drink styles of beer that I don't like. (IPA, yick. Pilsner, ugh. Give me something malty that I can cut with a knife.)

But I'm not sure if even the largest "microbrews" have enough output to export to the UK... Can you get stuff like Surly, New Belgium, Stone Brewing, Deschutes, etc., on that side of the pond? Or is it all bud and coors and miller?


You can, but they tend to be limited to fairly specialist shops. Camra has been fairly successful in getting decent beers into most pubs, at least in this neck of the woods ( Cambridge ), but the focus has tended to be on cask/keg beers, rather than bottled. Supermarkets will often have a small section of bottled beers from UK/international breweries, but this will be swamped by the masses of generic lagers that are so popular.

There are some good beers coming from the US now - but it will take a while to shift the 'sex in a canoe' image that they carry.

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Re: 1980: "Turkish Delight"

Postby orthogon » Fri May 04, 2018 11:51 am UTC

YellowYeti wrote:Camra has been fairly successful in getting decent beers into most pubs, [...] but the focus has tended to be on cask/keg beers, rather than bottled.


Cask and keg beers are very different animals, and Camra do not promote the latter or consider it to be Real Ale.
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Re: 1980: "Turkish Delight"

Postby sonar1313 » Fri May 04, 2018 4:34 pm UTC

Steve the Pocket wrote:
orthogon wrote:In related news (related, that is, to the completely off-topic matter of people trying to use archaic language but not doing the research), I keep seeing posters from this Bud Light campaign:
Why would you even think of putting a third person singular verb ending on a blooming adverb?

A far better question is what the deuce Budweiser thinks they're playing at trying to sell that crap in the UK.

The only reason Americans even drink it is that it tastes like the fake beer their great-grandparents got used to the taste of during Prohibition, which of course never happened in any other country.


Bud Light is great for certain purposes. Drinking all day, mainly. Sometimes you're at the lake and you decide not to give a shit about anything at all and Bud Light will keep you in a beautiful place somewhere that's not quite drunk but definitely not sober.

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Re: 1980: "Turkish Delight"

Postby sonar1313 » Fri May 04, 2018 5:04 pm UTC

YellowYeti wrote:
Steve the Pocket wrote:A far better question is what the deuce Budweiser thinks they're playing at trying to sell that crap in the UK.

The only reason Americans even drink it is that it tastes like the fake beer their great-grandparents got used to the taste of during Prohibition, which of course never happened in any other country.


The US gets a lot of crap over it's beers - mostly deserved - but the most popular beers in the UK are also pretty awful:
Stella
Fosters
Carling
Carlsberg
Budweiser

It's a lot easier to find a good beer in the UK than the US, but the prime guiding factor for most beer drinkers doesn't appear to be taste.


Maybe you can find a good beer in the UK just by sticking your hand out the window? It's certainly insanely easy to find a good beer in the US.

The real trick is deciding how hipster you want to be. Some of the good beer is 1) owned and produced directly by InBev or 2) acquired in whole or in part by InBev. Some people consider this completely unacceptable. There's even websites to tell you which beers didn't sell out to the man. Some people don't consider you micro-enough if you got too big. Shock Top is an example of a beer I really like and which is perfectly content to let you think it's an independent little microbrew, but really it's one of InBev's responses to the microbrewery explosion. I don't care; I just like it.

But is it easy to find good beer in the US? As easy as going to the corner store. American beer gets a bad rap overseas because of Bud Light, and because we don't export the good stuff.


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