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1982: "Evangelism"

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 3:19 pm UTC
by Zinho
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The wars between the "OTHER PRIMATES OPEN THEM FROM THE SMALL END" faction versus the "BUT THE LITTLE BIT OF BANANA AT THE SMALL END IS GROSS" faction consumed Europe for generations.

Splitters! I wasn't aware these were separate camps, I've been hanging out with the Banana Ecumenicals who claim that other primates open from the small end because they don't like the butt-end of the banana either, and opening from the small end removes it. Everyone in my extended family has converted.

Re: 1982: "Evangelism"

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 3:23 pm UTC
by Soupspoon
Don't primates actually open them from the middle? Due to their having to hold a crozier in one hand and balance a mitre on their head, possibly.

Re: 1982: "Evangelism"

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 3:23 pm UTC
by jozwa
You opened that can of worms so let's strawpoll this. Which end do you open a banana from?

I don't open it from the small end because it's easier to use the handle and when you're done the butt-end stays in the peel and you don't have to eat it.

Re: 1982: "Evangelism"

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 3:31 pm UTC
by fibonacci
If you point a telescope out to the right off the edge of the chart, on a clear night you can spot "Vegans".

Re: 1982: "Evangelism"

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 3:36 pm UTC
by Eutychus
Am I the only one to be totally confused by this comic and the alt-text as to which end of a banana is which?

(have just consumed one before opening this comic).

Re: 1982: "Evangelism"

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 3:40 pm UTC
by klondijk
Bidet owners could be on here. I am one. They're so great and cheap!

Re: 1982: "Evangelism"

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 3:42 pm UTC
by paul.strickler
I feel like Tesla owners should be on this chart somewhere.
Maybe they're off screen on the right?

Re: 1982: "Evangelism"

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 3:53 pm UTC
by Zinho
jozwa wrote:I don't open it from the small end because it's easier to use the handle and when you're done the butt-end stays in the peel and you don't have to eat it.
Heresy! The handle is for holding the fruit while eating; otherwise you're holding the small end in your fingertips while trying to avoid having the butt-end come out of the peel with the last of the fruit. You're only doing it that way because you were educated stupid. Repent, and you too can enjoy the benefits of using the handle as evolution intended!

. . . Really, I don't care how you eat your banana, I'm just playing Devil's Advocate.

Eutychus wrote:Am I the only one to be totally confused by this comic and the alt-text as to which end of a banana is which?

(have just consumed one before opening this comic).

Probably not; here are some fun facts about bananas that may clear it up:
  • The banana tree's fruit has a stem end and a blossom end (the blossom drops off as the fruit grows)
  • When growing on the tree the blossom end is up, the stem down; thus, if each bunch of bananas is a "hand", the metaphorical fingers are pointing skywards while it grows.
  • When hanging from one of those trendy banana hook stands, the bunch hangs from the stems so gravity puts the blossom end closer to the ground
  • the previous two points taken together result in up/down being confusing as a way to refer to bananas, as it's ambiguous.
  • Most pop culture media I saw growing up showed people opening the banana from the stem end (easy to grab and pull while holding onto the body of the fruit). Thus, the blossom end is the "other end".
  • The blossom end can also be considered the "small end", since it provides less purchase for grabbing and starting the peeling process.
Hope that helps.

Re: 1982: "Evangelism"

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:10 pm UTC
by cellocgw
Because someone had to add it,

vi vs. emacs

Maybe those proselytizers are both along the imaginary axis.

Re: 1982: "Evangelism"

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:13 pm UTC
by Pfhorrest
Thanks Zinho. So which end do people think is gross?

Re: 1982: "Evangelism"

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:16 pm UTC
by Mutex
I've thrown out all my socks and replaced them with the same kind before. Need to do it again soon, picked up various non-standard socks over the years and have it's made pairing them up after doing laundry difficult again.

Re: 1982: "Evangelism"

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:29 pm UTC
by sonar1313
Pfhorrest wrote:Thanks Zinho. So which end do people think is gross?


All of it? I'm immune to these banana wars because I make a point of not eating them. I don't know how something can impart such great flavor to everything else (that is to say, most banana-flavored stuff is great, including dried banana chips) and yet itself be so nasty and have an ok-to-eat window of like two hours. Science refuses to tackle the tough questions like these.

Re: 1982: "Evangelism"

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:33 pm UTC
by J%r
Doesn't opening a banana from the small end make you end up with banana peal underneath your fingernails?

Soupspoon wrote:Don't primates actually open them from the middle? Due to their having to hold a crozier in one hand and balance a mitre on their head, possibly.

I sometimes open it from the middle, snapping it in two quickly. Although that sends the sensation of breaking fingers down my spine.

Re: 1982: "Evangelism"

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:58 pm UTC
by Eutychus
Pfhorrest wrote:Thanks Zinho. So which end do people think is gross?

Still my question too. The alt-text has me reduced to a quivering wreck.

Re: 1982: "Evangelism"

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 5:09 pm UTC
by Zinho
Pfhorrest wrote:Thanks Zinho. So which end do people think is gross?
There's a structure in the meat of the fruit at the blossom end that sometimes does, sometimes doesn't break off when you peel down from the stem end. It's kinda woodier than the rest of the meat, and the flavor is unpleasantly strong. Separating it from the rest of the fruit leaves a belly-button-like structure on the rest of the meat. No reputable dictionary would have a word for this, so of course the urbandictionary site has had it listed under bananus since 2003.

J%r wrote:Doesn't opening a banana from the small end make you end up with banana peal underneath your fingernails?
If it's ripe enough no fingernail are required. If you have to break the skin with a cutting tool (fingernails, knife, etc) before it will peel from the blossom end it's not ready to eat yet.

Re: 1982: "Evangelism"

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 5:45 pm UTC
by hjordis
Zinho wrote:Splitters! I wasn't aware these were separate camps, I've been hanging out with the Banana Ecumenicals who claim that other primates open from the small end because they don't like the butt-end of the banana either, and opening from the small end removes it. Everyone in my extended family has converted.

Yes, this. The gross bit is *easier* to get rid of when you open it from the small end. If it doesn't come off during the peel then you see it and go, "Oh yeah, I hate that bit. Better get rid of it before I start eating." Whereas when I was opening from the stem I'd forget about it and sometimes accidentally eat it.

Re: 1982: "Evangelism"

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 6:00 pm UTC
by SuicideJunkie
sonar1313 wrote:... I'm immune to these banana wars because I make a point of not eating them. I don't know how something can impart such great flavor to everything else (that is to say, most banana-flavored stuff is great, including dried banana chips) and yet itself be so nasty and have an ok-to-eat window of like two hours. Science refuses to tackle the tough questions like these.
It could be you have a taste for the Plantain bananas, which IMO are pretty nasty except after cooking.
If you bypass the giant display of Cavendish, your grocers' probably has some Plaintains as well you could try.

Apparently the original Gros Michel bananas taste more like banana flavouring and after being wiped out in the 50s by fungus, are trying to make a comeback with resistant breeds, shipping mostly to Japan at the moment.

Re: 1982: "Evangelism"

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 7:38 pm UTC
by pkcommando
How far to the right do you put those weirdos who insist on having their toilet paper hanging down on the back side of the roll, in the Under position?

Re: 1982: "Evangelism"

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 7:40 pm UTC
by jonbly
Mutex wrote:I've thrown out all my socks and replaced them with the same kind before. Need to do it again soon, picked up various non-standard socks over the years and have it's made pairing them up after doing laundry difficult again.

Just got back to one-sock mode. The last time I'd bought socks they looked all black in the store, but turned out to have little coloured squares above the ankle. In various colours. SO disappointing...

Re: 1982: "Evangelism"

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 7:59 pm UTC
by Sprocket
GOOMFHR

I was just takling a few days ago about how I prefer Farenheit "Celsius degrees are just too big!" but would be cool with swtichign to Metric everywhere else.
And I just opened a banana that I'm still in the middle of and thought to myself "why can't I break myself of this stupid human inferior banana opening!?"
But both things are in my head due to a dude who says "centigrade" ....

Re: 1982: "Evangelism"

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:28 pm UTC
by Soupspoon
Obviously this needs some research, some very well funded research!

Re: 1982: "Evangelism"

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:50 pm UTC
by Zinho
pkcommando wrote:How far to the right do you put those weirdos who insist on having their toilet paper hanging down on the back side of the roll, in the Under position?

Depends on who you ask. There's a poll running right now where the underhand folks are barely making a showing in the comment section, so they don't seem very publicly vocal. On the flip side, you've got Wikipedia saying that ~40 percent of people prefer the under orientation, and that married couples frequently argue about it. It seems to be one of those things that's a non-issue until someone does it WRONG in your presence; then it's ON.

Re: 1982: "Evangelism"

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:30 pm UTC
by Pfhorrest
My mom had me diagnosed with OCD because I cared about toilet paper orientation as a teenager and neither she nor dad understood why anyone would care about something like that, so finding out as an adult that other people care too (even if 40% of them are wrong) is a huge relief.

Re: 1982: "Evangelism"

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:53 pm UTC
by Soupspoon
Pfhorrest wrote:My mom had me diagnosed with OCD because I cared about toilet paper orientation as a teenager and neither she nor dad understood why anyone would care about something like that, so finding out as an adult that other people care too (even if 40% of them are wrong) is a huge relief.

I'm with you! Although you typoed "60%"… :P

Re: 1982: "Evangelism"

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:54 pm UTC
by peteispo
Doesn't opening a banana from the small end make you end up with banana peal underneath your fingernails?

No, you can squeeze the small end from the sides and it pops open. You still have to pull the gross bit off though...

Re: 1982: "Evangelism"

Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 12:04 am UTC
by pogrmman
cellocgw wrote:Because someone had to add it,

vi vs. emacs

Maybe those proselytizers are both along the imaginary axis.


Hey, just cause I use emacs doesn’t mean I proselytize for it. In its default state, it’s pretty much unusable!! I need my custom .emacs to make it work.

Re: 1982: "Evangelism"

Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 12:06 am UTC
by rmsgrey
jonbly wrote:
Mutex wrote:I've thrown out all my socks and replaced them with the same kind before. Need to do it again soon, picked up various non-standard socks over the years and have it's made pairing them up after doing laundry difficult again.

Just got back to one-sock mode. The last time I'd bought socks they looked all black in the store, but turned out to have little coloured squares above the ankle. In various colours. SO disappointing...

But how do you balance wear when you can't tell pairs apart?

Re: 1982: "Evangelism"

Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 12:34 am UTC
by heuristically_alone
I throw all my socks on a drawer and randomly pick 2 each day, as such they're rarely matching.

Re: 1982: "Evangelism"

Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 12:34 am UTC
by Mikeski
pkcommando wrote:How far to the right do you put those weirdos who insist on having their toilet paper hanging down on the back side of the roll, in the Under position?

That depends.

If they own cats, they're making a logical choice, in that their pet will be much less likely to unroll the whole thing onto the floor.

If they don't own cats, they're so far to the right that they've probably wrapped back around to the left.

Re: 1982: "Evangelism"

Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 12:54 am UTC
by Flumble
For those of you not in the know, we have an entire board dedicated to these disputes, so if you want to go into in-depth discussions about
do feel free to spew your nonsense voice your opinion there (too). :D

rmsgrey wrote:
jonbly wrote:
Mutex wrote:I've thrown out all my socks and replaced them with the same kind before. Need to do it again soon, picked up various non-standard socks over the years and have it's made pairing them up after doing laundry difficult again.

Just got back to one-sock mode. The last time I'd bought socks they looked all black in the store, but turned out to have little coloured squares above the ankle. In various colours. SO disappointing...

But how do you balance wear when you can't tell pairs apart?

By applying stochasticism of course! Or was it stoicism?
Whatever, at some point the holes take up more than half the surface area of a sock, so you throw that one away.

Currently, I have 4 different sets of black socks. They're optically barely distinguishable, but dammit does it annoy me when I put on two socks from different sets. :x Laundry now takes some extra time to group the socks.

Re: 1982: "Evangelism"

Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 2:08 am UTC
by Mikeski
Flumble wrote:Currently, I have 4 different sets of black socks. [...] Laundry now takes some extra time to group the socks.

And modern detergents whiten your clothes by adding blue color with "optical brightening agents", since white clothes tend to wear yellowish rather than bluish. (Actually cleaning the clothing is too hard; coloring it is easier.)

So your black socks eventually become navy-blue socks. Not helped by males having poor color discernment in that part of the spectrum.

I've bought "navy blue" socks that have a brighter blue line around the top of the cuff, so you can tell your black and navy-blue socks apart after a few washes.

Re: 1982: "Evangelism"

Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 3:23 am UTC
by RogueCynic
Mutex wrote:I've thrown out all my socks and replaced them with the same kind before. Need to do it again soon, picked up various non-standard socks over the years and have it's made pairing them up after doing laundry difficult again.


I have all white socks. One day I wasted a considerable amount of time trying to find a matching pair.

Re: 1982: "Evangelism"

Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 5:09 am UTC
by Bloopy
Sometimes trying to open a banana from the stem end goes very wrong and you end up squashing it etc. to get it open. However, I've never managed to open one from the other end without getting a significant amount of dirt under my fingernails, so stem it is.

Re: 1982: "Evangelism"

Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 6:23 am UTC
by Thesh
You pinch the "nipple" and the peel just splits effortlessly - never had a problem either opening it, or with getting banana on my hand. Opening from the stem doesn't always work too well.

Re: 1982: "Evangelism"

Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 8:40 am UTC
by Mutex
rmsgrey wrote:
jonbly wrote:
Mutex wrote:I've thrown out all my socks and replaced them with the same kind before. Need to do it again soon, picked up various non-standard socks over the years and have it's made pairing them up after doing laundry difficult again.

Just got back to one-sock mode. The last time I'd bought socks they looked all black in the store, but turned out to have little coloured squares above the ankle. In various colours. SO disappointing...

But how do you balance wear when you can't tell pairs apart?

I have about two weeks worth of socks, and put the clean ones at the bottom of my sock drawer when putting them away, so all my socks get roughly equal use.

Re: 1982: "Evangelism"

Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 9:57 am UTC
by Yat
fibonacci wrote:If you point a telescope out to the right off the edge of the chart, on a clear night you can spot "Vegans".
"Oh, Hey, I didn't see you guys all the way over there" should have been the punchline.
https://xkcd.com/435/

Re: 1982: "Evangelism"

Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:33 am UTC
by Vroomfundel
More than 30 posts and nobody has mentioned the metric units religious war yet? It's about time!

For me this issue is one of the most offensive forms of US anti-intellectualism in that it affects intellectuals too. I have yet to encounter an educated american creationist yet a lot of pretty smart folks have managed to convince themselves that either "imperial is not that bad" or the less extreme but still embarrassing "it may be worse but it will be too complicated to change to metric so let's not bother". Well, guess what, the UK did it - and only half want to reverse it post brexit... wait, what? I'm off to read a book about some other universe, I find this one too confusing.

Re: 1982: "Evangelism"

Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:41 am UTC
by pscottdv
pkcommando wrote:How far to the right do you put those weirdos who insist on having their toilet paper hanging down on the back side of the roll, in the Under position?


Wait, there's an argument about this? If you have cats or small children and don't like a huge pile of toilet paper lurking beneath an empty cardboard tube, you run it down the back. Otherwise you run it over the top for easy, spin-and-grab access.

The science on this is settled.

Re: 1982: "Evangelism"

Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:44 am UTC
by HES
Vroomfundel wrote:Well, guess what, the UK did it

...sort of. Partly. Ish.

Re: 1982: "Evangelism"

Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 12:32 pm UTC
by Soupspoon
Vroomfundel wrote:and only half want to reverse it post brexit... wait, what?

Only about a half of us (who voted, about a third of us who could vote and maybe around a quarter of everyone who would have to live with the result) voted for Brexit, so 'just' half of everyone these lot asked wanting to work with pounds and ounces isn't too far off matching the entire Leave camp directly relating to everything going back to days of yore... ;)

That survey reminds me: I still need to track down a 100W incandescent bulb, or find a dimmer-compatible alternative from the newer lot. Either that or replace the dimming wall-switch (so it doesn't get used) and go with the option of replacing the bulb in there now with a full-voltage LED one with internal dimming/hue-changing circuitry and remote controller.