2020: "Negative Results"

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2020: "Negative Results"

Postby Lode » Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:12 pm UTC

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Title text: "P.S. We're going to the beach this weekend, so I'm attaching my preregistration forms for that trip now, before we find out whether it produces any interesting results."

I think I know what video game Randall is playing at this moment

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Re: 2020: "Negative Results"

Postby da Doctah » Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:35 pm UTC

Synchronicity alert: the guy I follow on Twitch who plays TRLEs is filling in the other sessions with this same Zelda game lately. Otherwise I probably never would have heard the name.

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Re: 2020: "Negative Results"

Postby sotanaht » Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:55 pm UTC

What I don't understand about this comic is why he would seem to be suggesting that negative results aren't important to know. If you try study the correlation between a thing, and you can't find any correlation, that's pretty damn important. Even more so when one in twenty similar tests might find a correlation due to statistical or testing error, and they are the only ones that publish, suggesting to anyone who researches the subject that there is a correlation when there shouldn't be.

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Re: 2020: "Negative Results"

Postby Soupspoon » Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:18 pm UTC

He's not doing that. However, he's also not confirming negative results as being negative as no test was made to end up negative, which is also 'useful' information (if people aren't reporting negative results, are they not reporting them or were they not even looking). And the more we know that people aren't looking for the Invisible Pink Unicorn, the less sure we can be that the low reporting rate of failure to find is because the null hypothisis is in turn null.

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Re: 2020: "Negative Results"

Postby orthogon » Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:36 pm UTC

Soupspoon wrote:He's not doing that. However, he's also not confirming negative results as being negative as no test was made to end up negative, which is also 'useful' information (if people aren't reporting negative results, are they not reporting them or were they not even looking). And the more we know that people aren't looking for the Invisible Pink Unicorn, the less sure we can be that the low reporting rate of failure to find is because the null hypothisis is in turn null.

What about non-pink non-unicorns?
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Re: 2020: "Negative Results"

Postby measure » Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:52 pm UTC

orthogon wrote:What about non-pink non-unicorns?

Found one : :mrgreen:

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Re: 2020: "Negative Results"

Postby Old Bruce » Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:46 pm UTC

measure wrote:
orthogon wrote:What about non-pink non-unicorns?

Found one : :mrgreen:

Ditto. [non-pink-non-unicorn emoticon]

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Re: 2020: "Negative Results"

Postby qvxb » Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:07 pm UTC

xkcd is Seinfeld with scientific and technical matter added.

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Re: 2020: "Negative Results"

Postby jc » Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:46 pm UTC

measure wrote:
orthogon wrote:What about non-pink non-unicorns?

Found one : :mrgreen:

I just looked, and found several of them at our bird feeder. One was actually a raven, which is quite unusual in these parts. We only see them one or two times per year, which is sufficient to convince us that they still exist. Or at least they did a few minutes ago.

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Re: 2020: "Negative Results"

Postby Pfhorrest » Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:04 am UTC

I was really surprised to learn that Australian ravens are black. Like I knew about the swans already, but is everything backward down there?
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Re: 2020: "Negative Results"

Postby jc » Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:25 am UTC

Pfhorrest wrote:I was really surprised to learn that Australian ravens are black. Like I knew about the swans already, but is everything backward down there?

Apparently not. But the latest fun news about those black swans is that some of them are surfers.

(Of course, this isn't really new news; that report is from 5 years ago. ;-)

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Re: 2020: "Negative Results"

Postby teelo » Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:04 am UTC

That game is overrated. I enjoyed skyward sword more.

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Re: 2020: "Negative Results"

Postby Pfhorrest » Tue Jul 17, 2018 2:24 am UTC

jc wrote:
Pfhorrest wrote:I was really surprised to learn that Australian ravens are black. Like I knew about the swans already, but is everything backward down there?

Apparently not. But the latest fun news about those black swans is that some of them are surfers.

(Of course, this isn't really new news; that report is from 5 years ago. ;-)

I think maybe you missed my joke. (“What!? The RAVENS are black in Australia too!? I thought they at least had normal white ravens like the rest of us, even if their swans and stuff are backward.”)

Surfing swan are cool though, thanks.
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Re: 2020: "Negative Results"

Postby rmsgrey » Tue Jul 17, 2018 4:48 am UTC

teelo wrote:That game is overrated. I enjoyed skyward sword more.

De gustibus non est disputandum.

That said, Skyward Sword had its moments, just interspersed with a whole lot of tedium - flying isn't soothing the same way sailing in Wind Waker is, but isn't as engaging as traversal in Breath of the Wild; and the Imprisoned fights aren't good enough to justify doing them three times over... Though, in fairness, my opinion of the game is undoubtedly coloured by having fallen victim to the game-breaking bug forcing me to repeat 75% of the game to get my first completion...

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Re: 2020: "Negative Results"

Postby teelo » Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:30 am UTC

I'm probably confusing twilight princess with skyward sword. I spent a lot of time in BOTW running around aimlessly with no idea where to go, and killing easy enemies then suddenly getting oneshot by stuff. It could have been a great game but they deviated from some of the Zelda norms a bit too much.

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Re: 2020: "Negative Results"

Postby Old Bruce » Tue Jul 17, 2018 3:14 pm UTC

Pfhorrest wrote:
jc wrote:
Pfhorrest wrote:I was really surprised to learn that Australian ravens are black. Like I knew about the swans already, but is everything backward down there?

Apparently not. But the latest fun news about those black swans is that some of them are surfers.

(Of course, this isn't really new news; that report is from 5 years ago. ;-)

I think maybe you missed my joke. (“What!? The RAVENS are black in Australia too!? I thought they at least had normal white ravens like the rest of us, even if their swans and stuff are backward.”)

Surfing swan are cool though, thanks.

Two stories about the same bird.
https://vancouverisland.ctvnews.ca/rare ... -1.4000450
https://www.vancouverislandfreedaily.co ... in-coombs/
This is on central Vancouver Island in British Columbia.


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